BRETONS - should not be 100% magicka

Deathlord92

Breton is my favourite race day 1 Breton stamblade here and it’s all I ever play go check my yt channel out I get regular 1vxs. I tell you what if they ever gave Breton stamina racial passive I would be so hyped I have been asking for this for years the reachman are Bretons and nords very savage warriors and there’s the Breton hero in the eso trailer to.

Tigerseye

dazee wrote: »

if racial passives are done correctly there wont be more than a minor difference whether you made a stam character on a "magicka race" or not. Play the race you like and if someone tells you you're doing it wrong pop em a big ol middle finger like they deserve.

This is always the argument for lack of balance; that it doesn't really matter.

But, if small differences didn't matter, there wouldn't be such a thing as min-maxing.

Obviously, if you are only playing very casually, it may not really matter (assuming no one takes it upon themselves to give you unasked-for advice), but it is still the equivalent of shooting yourself in the foot, to one extent, or another.

Which, sometimes, I do kind of on purpose (out of stubborness and/or curiosity), but shouldn't be something people have to do, if they don't pick the best race/resource/role combo.

CrimsonGTX

Lore wise Breton's are exactly where they should be, you mentioned Altmers new stamina passive as a example but they shouldn't' have that at all. Also I don't know if I would call Bretons "great soldiers" they're more of the rags to riches type of people, and as far as "the magic has been diluted and they physically looked like real humans" I haven't read anything suggesting such a thing of their magic being diluted. As for their appearance they do appear human-like from a distance and can blend in easily, but if examined closely you will find elven features such as pointy elf-type ears on some bretons.

spartaxoxo

There is not a way to solve this issue without making races purely cosmetic, which goes completely against the lore and established gameplay of elder scrolls games.

Not every player wish needs to be fufilled.

OrdoHermetica

Bretons can use stamina builds in PvP quite well, as others have mentioned. Breton stamina tanks in PvE and PvP are also very viable, as almost every class requires fairly hefty magicka costs for at least part of their tanking toolkit, and that reduction is pretty potent. Plus, built-in resistances are great, and allows you to put CP into other things.

Really, the only thing Bretons aren't particularly viable choices for are PvE stamina DPS builds. Considering there are several other races out there that can't do either magicka or stamina builds at all (Redguards and any magicka-based builds, for example), they're one of the more flexible races. Probably one of the most flexible races outside of the outright hybrid races, in fact.

idk

HeckHad thought Breton leaned towards magicka in previous TES games with bonuses to conjuration, mysticism, and restoration in both Skyrim and Morrowind. So OP's suggestion does not make any sense.

zvavi

Xarcus wrote: »

My point here is to ask, why altmer can get stamina when Bretons who are 90% humans are only magicka ????

You are very funny you know, altmers get stamina back when they build into magicka, evidently, they have no stamina focused passives at all since if you build into stamina, you are getting magicka back.

Now lets ignore that your main argument point is not even true.

Bretons by lore are physically weak, and more proficient in spells. It makes no sense for them to have stamina passives.

Altmer are known to have talented spell casters and spell swords.

Danmer and imperials are also known to be intelligent and strong both.

Khajits are the RP race and their "magical" passives is totally a marketing thing they did for elsweyr and for the sake of argument should be ignored.

So if anything if we follow lore, khajits should be the ones changed. Plz dont do it though zos if you are reading.

Nerouyn wrote: »

In the single player games, racial aptitudes for different skills, eg. Bosmer and stealth only affected starting values for those skills.

Every player, regardless of race, could achieve equal proficiency in any skill.

Thats also not entirely true, in skyrim the active skills, at least in Breton, Altmer and Orcs, favored magicka magicka and stamina.

Aelorin

While I understand that it would be nice to balance the racial passives a bit more, so each race could fit every role mag or stamina, I do not agree that bretons are the best fighters lorewise.

Lorewise they have been a number one magicka race, along with Altmer. The bretons were more defensive casters, and the Altmer more offensive. So at that point eso follows the lore .

As it stands now, a lot of people view Bretons as the number one magicka race. They should lose some of that benefit when one adds more stamina passives.Otherwise they will become even more OP.

Edit for typo.

Xarc

Netheniel wrote: »

Even ZENIMAX shows that the breton hero is good but not a winner.
In each trailer we see him strong but, at the end, he finally loses all big duel because lack of stamina lol

So he finally changed class and becomes magicka necro -_-

zvavi

Xarcus wrote: »

Even ZENIMAX shows that the breton hero is good but not a winner.
In each trailer we see him strong but, at the end, he finally loses all big duel because lack of stamina lol

So he finally changed class and becomes magicka necro -_-

"Good" is subjective, you can probably easily reach 70k with the right gear and wrong class

darthgummibear_ESO

Stop it before they screw over Bretons like they did Bosmer. Bretons are fine as they are.

Anhedonie

No thanks, I prefer my magic bonuses. No need to nerf the race to add some *** stamina values.
Play dunmers if you want it.

Xarc

Anhedonie wrote: »

No thanks, I prefer my magic bonuses. No need to nerf the race to add some *** stamina values.
Play dunmers if you want it.

If I dont care about lore, I would play another race, yes. But lore is important for me.
I know all people playing magicka bretons are against the idea to give some stam. But it is like playing a bosmer without hunting bonus while they're the best ones, it is incoherent.

Lets see again the actual passives:

the 1st passive about +1% AP is like totally useless. I'm mainly a pvp player and surely 1% of all what you get is only visible after you got huge amount of AP, and in this case 1% is useless. For casual pvp players, if you get 100K / week the gain will be only 1k ap, it is like doint 1kill in 1v1.

The next passive about 2000 magicka is not important because, as it as been said, instead of adding 2 magicka glyphes on a stambuild, a stam breton can focuses on stam at this point.

In the 3rd passive we have spell resistance + some magicka recovery. Like the previous passive, for a stamina DD in PVE this passive is totally useless. In PVP, everybody needs magicka and resistance, so this time it will be welcome.

And finally the last passive reduces the cost of all magicka abilities by 7%. It is a lot and it's fine for magicka players AND for stam pvp-players since magicka is needed in pvp even for stam builds. But 7% + 2k magicka + 100 regen magicka... it's quite too much.

The problem is not about theses passives taken one by one. But something has been missed up somewhere considering stam bretons

Even Darien finally died in fight because he wanted to be a stam hero in cac

Tommy_The_Gun

darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »

Bretons are fine as they are.

I would like to say the same about Argonians & Bosmers...

darthgummibear_ESO

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »

Bretons are fine as they are.

I would like to say the same about Argonians & Bosmers...

They WERE fine before they got screwed over, which is why I'm saying leave Bretons alone.

zvavi

Xarcus wrote: »

If I dont care about lore, I would play another race, yes.

By lore Bretons are physically weak but proficient in magic. I have yet to see a proper argument from you for why Bretons should get stamina passives other than "because i want to" (or silly false arguments)

Xarc

zvavi wrote: »

Xarcus wrote: »

If I dont care about lore, I would play another race, yes.

By lore Bretons are physically weak but proficient in magic. I have yet to see a proper argument from you for why Bretons should get stamina passives other than "because i want to" (or silly false arguments)

And I want you to tell me a proper argument why "by lore bretons are physically weak"

zvavi

Xarcus wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

Xarcus wrote: »

If I dont care about lore, I would play another race, yes.

By lore Bretons are physically weak but proficient in magic. I have yet to see a proper argument from you for why Bretons should get stamina passives other than "because i want to" (or silly false arguments)

And I want you to tell me a proper argument why "by lore bretons are physically weak"

Previous games, lore books, scenes, also, physically weak is compared to OTHER RACES that are known for their strong physical body (aka imperials, dunmer, nords, orcs...) since their talent lies in magic https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/The_Bretons:_Mongrels_or_Paragons?

Your argument is like "not all Weasleys should have ginger hair" when the whole imaginary universe is supporting ginger Weasleys.

Xarc

You mentionned imperials who are the descendants of the nedics, like Bretons, who are also descendants of the Direnni (Altmers).
Logically they should be like imperials but with some magicka bonus.

Brétons foughts against orcs and redguards to defend their territory. The fight was balanced until they used their intelligence (from Nedics and Direnni) and their magicka knowledges, to finally win.

If they were only magicka based, all their culture would have been based on that. But they believe in the 8, like imperials, + some other like Magnus (magicka), Y'ffre (forest) etc. Soldiers wear heavy armors and use swords and shields.

For me, bretons are the perfect " magisfer " (i dont know the word in english but it's a warrior using sword and spell).
This is how they win battles.

MaleAmazon

There is not a way to solve this issue without making races purely cosmetic, which goes completely against the lore and established gameplay of elder scrolls games.

Disagree completely.

Now, yes, it used to be that you had more racial stereotypes and some of them had an impact on gameplay - but usually only early on. Of course, they have pretty consistently moved away from this in TES, including letting you change star sign mid-game. And in single player you could mod it out.

Your character is supposed to be able to break race stereotypes. Realism isn´t even an argument anyway, not everyone in TES is equally gifted, so maybe we should have 2d10 to get a hidden max stat multiplier at character creation that only reveals at lvl50 (rerolls purchasable from crown store).

But really, the counter argument is the sale of race change tokens.

Really, IMO ESO sorely needs more character customisation. Heck, not even CP accomplishes it since there are so many restrictions and diminishing returns.

And so, like I´ve said before, what they should do is put racial passives into a pool and let you choose from them. Less crown store income, better gamplay. Less balance? Meh, just stop it. You want to "balance" 20-player zerg vs 48-player zerg in lag? ESO is well balanced as it is, you only have a certain extremely vocal minority wanting the game to cater to exactly what they personally want to get out of the game. Seen it before.

randomkeyhits

breton stamblade main here since day #1

yes, if the passives offered a stamina option I'd be better off but I chose this setup knowing that it didn't.

My choice so its a case of deal with it.

If the passives are so important then passive > race look, choose based on passives.

If the race is more important then race look > passive, choose based on race.

If the game doesn't offer your "perfect" combo well..... thats just bad luck for you.

Xarc

randomkeyhits wrote: »

breton stamblade main here since day #1

yes, if the passives offered a stamina option I'd be better off but I chose this setup knowing that it didn't.

My choice so its a case of deal with it.

If the passives are so important then passive > race look, choose based on passives.

If the race is more important then race look > passive, choose based on race.

If the game doesn't offer your "perfect" combo well..... thats just bad luck for you.

Well I'm playing a stamina breton, dude, like you.
I deal with the actual passives, but asking on forum is not forbidden and I'm trying to see where the debate can drive us.

MaleAmazon wrote: »

Really, IMO ESO sorely needs more character customisation. Heck, not even CP accomplishes it since there are so many restrictions and diminishing returns.

And so, like I´ve said before, what they should do is put racial passives into a pool and let you choose from them. Less crown store income, better gamplay. Less balance? Meh, just stop it. You want to "balance" 20-player zerg vs 48-player zerg in lag? ESO is well balanced as it is, you only have a certain extremely vocal minority wanting the game to cater to exactly what they personally want to get out of the game. Seen it before.

THIS is really interesting.

We know ZENIMAX is working on a new CP system.
Imagine the follow: only 1 racial passive by race wich doesnt affect stam/magicka build, like the 1st one of each race, + customizable points in the new CP system ? Everybody could be satisfied at some points, for all races.

zvavi

Xarcus wrote: »

You mentionned imperials who are the descendants of the nedics, like Bretons, who are also descendants of the Direnni (Altmers).
Logically they should be like imperials but with some magicka bonus.

Brétons foughts against orcs and redguards to defend their territory. The fight was balanced until they used their intelligence (from Nedics and Direnni) and their magicka knowledges, to finally win.

If they were only magicka based, all their culture would have been based on that. But they believe in the 8, like imperials, + some other like Magnus (magicka), Y'ffre (forest) etc. Soldiers wear heavy armors and use swords and shields.

For me, bretons are the perfect " magisfer " (i dont know the word in english but it's a warrior using sword and spell).
This is how they win battles.

Sources? Cause it looks like fan arts

Deathlord92

Regardless of what is said us Bretons are alpha race wielding magic and being able to be powerful warriors and assassins 💪

bearbelly

Deathlord92 wrote: »

us we Bretons

Fixed that for you.

Deathlord92

bearbelly wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

us we Bretons

Fixed that for you.

Thank you 😂

TheFM

CrimsonGTX wrote: »

Lore wise Breton's are exactly where they should be, you mentioned Altmers new stamina passive as a example but they shouldn't' have that at all. Also I don't know if I would call Bretons "great soldiers" they're more of the rags to riches type of people, and as far as "the magic has been diluted and they physically looked like real humans" I haven't read anything suggesting such a thing of their magic being diluted. As for their appearance they do appear human-like from a distance and can blend in easily, but if examined closely you will find elven features such as pointy elf-type ears on some bretons.

Yeah i made it a point to make my ears as elf like as possible on my breton, cuz i mean, they are half elf.

Anhedonie

Xarcus wrote: »

But 7% + 2k magicka + 100 regen magicka... it's quite too much.

It's not too much. Bretons can barely compete with altmers atm and I'd prefer for bretons to remain viable as mag dd

Deathlord92

TheFM wrote: »

CrimsonGTX wrote: »

Lore wise Breton's are exactly where they should be, you mentioned Altmers new stamina passive as a example but they shouldn't' have that at all. Also I don't know if I would call Bretons "great soldiers" they're more of the rags to riches type of people, and as far as "the magic has been diluted and they physically looked like real humans" I haven't read anything suggesting such a thing of their magic being diluted. As for their appearance they do appear human-like from a distance and can blend in easily, but if examined closely you will find elven features such as pointy elf-type ears on some bretons.

Yeah i made it a point to make my ears as elf like as possible on my breton, cuz i mean, they are half elf.

Made my Breton as human as possible for stamblade though I’m not ashamed of my elven blood 🙂

Lady_Linux

Xarcus wrote: »

Ok guys, I won't be long because english is not my native language and I don't know to explain as well as in french, but EN forum has more impact.

BRETONS SHOULD NOT BE 100% MAGICKA

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Actually, Breton is the only race 100% magicka oriented.
Even altmers can have some stamina from the 2nd passive :

• Spell Recharge: Restore 645 Magicka or Stamina, based on whichever is lower, after activating a Class Ability. This effect can occur once every 6 seconds. Reduces damage taken by 5% while you are using an ability with a cast or channel time.

Lore
As we know, breton are great soldiers. They're living in castles, have guards and army. They looks strong and great fighters with swords and shields.



Bretons came from Direnni Clan (Altmers) copulating with humans slaves. The progeniture got some magicka power and after some centuries, the magic has been diluted and they physically looked like real humans.

Actual BRETON Racial passives

• Opportunist – Increases your Alliance Points gained by 1%. <---- why ???
• Gift of Magnus: Increases your Max Magicka by 2000. <--- ok why not, seems legit from their Direnni ascendance
• Spell Attunement: Gain 2310 Spell Resistance and 100 Magicka Recovery. The Spell Resistance granted by this effect is doubled if you are afflicted with Burning, Chilled, or Concussed. <--- resistance why not about fighting
• Magicka Mastery: Reduces the Magicka cost of your abilities by 7%. <-- this passive is too much regarding the previous passives;

So, we can notice that there is absolutly no offensive aspect, only based on regen, max magicka and lowcost of magicka + some spell resistance.
Actually in ESO, theses passive make them the best magicka healers.

We're agree that it doesnt make them bad fighters.

STAMINA BRETON
Totally underperforming. Sure we can play stamina fighters, or even stamina tanks, but well, some magicka will be useless and at least 1 passive will be useless, depending your gameplay or your build.

As the game pretends we can choose whatever role (DD/TANK/HEAL) with our character, we're still depending about the race and actually, bretons are just incoherent with lore, especially regarding altmer's racial passives !

Please ZENIMAX, Give to stamina bretons some love.

MAGICKA TANK ANYONE?