BRETONS - should not be 100% magicka

Xarc

Ok guys, I won't be long because english is not my native language and I don't know to explain as well as in french, but EN forum has more impact.

BRETONS SHOULD NOT BE 100% MAGICKA

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Actually, Breton is the only race 100% magicka oriented.
Even altmers can have some stamina from the 2nd passive :

• Spell Recharge: Restore 645 Magicka or Stamina, based on whichever is lower, after activating a Class Ability. This effect can occur once every 6 seconds. Reduces damage taken by 5% while you are using an ability with a cast or channel time.

Lore
As we know, breton are great soldiers. They're living in castles, have guards and army. They looks strong and great fighters with swords and shields.



Bretons came from Direnni Clan (Altmers) copulating with humans slaves. The progeniture got some magicka power and after some centuries, the magic has been diluted and they physically looked like real humans.

Actual BRETON Racial passives

• Opportunist – Increases your Alliance Points gained by 1%. <---- why ???
• Gift of Magnus: Increases your Max Magicka by 2000. <--- ok why not, seems legit from their Direnni ascendance
• Spell Attunement: Gain 2310 Spell Resistance and 100 Magicka Recovery. The Spell Resistance granted by this effect is doubled if you are afflicted with Burning, Chilled, or Concussed. <--- resistance why not about fighting
• Magicka Mastery: Reduces the Magicka cost of your abilities by 7%. <-- this passive is too much regarding the previous passives;

So, we can notice that there is absolutly no offensive aspect, only based on regen, max magicka and lowcost of magicka + some spell resistance.
Actually in ESO, theses passive make them the best magicka healers.

We're agree that it doesnt make them bad fighters.

STAMINA BRETON
Totally underperforming. Sure we can play stamina fighters, or even stamina tanks, but well, some magicka will be useless and at least 1 passive will be useless, depending your gameplay or your build.

As the game pretends we can choose whatever role (DD/TANK/HEAL) with our character, we're still depending about the race and actually, bretons are just incoherent with lore, especially regarding altmer's racial passives !

Please ZENIMAX, Give to stamina bretons some love.

hakan

For PvP wise you can already play stam breton fine. you wont have to invest in any magicka as stamina. usually people try to get extra off resource(in your case magicka) from CP, gears and enchants.

Plus if we go deep on every race, we also need sneak/stealth passive and move speed passives on dunmer too.

Saelent

hakan wrote: »

For PvP wise you can already play stam breton fine. you wont have to invest in any magicka as stamina. usually people try to get extra off resource(in your case magicka) from CP, gears and enchants.

Plus if we go deep on every race, we also need sneak/stealth passive and move speed passives on dunmer too.

That would be nice on the Dunmer.

Xarc

I am playing stamina breton, DD & tank, pve & pvp. It's ok but my character isnt as good as a bosmer/redguard/dunmer/imperial/orcs/khajiits...
I achieved good stuff but I need to choose between stamregen / damages & crits.

My point here is to ask, why altmer can get stamina when Bretons who are 90% humans are only magicka ????

Ofcourse I feel legit that bosmers/redguards/dunmer/imperial/orcs/khajiits can do more but why bretons = absolutly NO stam ?

Khajiits & dunmers have hybrids racial passives. Why not bretons ?

devaneiosonho

They're not incoherent with the lore. Bretons have always been about magic. Since Daggerfall, in fact, where you even have penalty with some physical attributes. In Morrowind all bonus skills are related to magic. In Oblivion the penalties return and the bonus skills continues to be related to magic. Finally, In Skyrim, again, all bonus are related to magic, with the exception of speech.

Saelent

Okay, if we follow the lore, what should each one get?
For the sake of my suggestion I’ll not mention numbers.
Breton: All round cost reduction, extra max stamina and magicka, spell resistance.

If add other races but I can’t remember the others right now.

MartiniDaniels

Xarcus wrote: »

I am playing stamina breton, DD & tank, pve & pvp. It's ok but my character isnt as good as a bosmer/redguard/dunmer/imperial/orcs/khajiits...
I achieved good stuff but I need to choose between stamregen / damages & crits.

My point here is to ask, why altmer can get stamina when Bretons who are 90% humans are only magicka ????

Ofcourse I feel legit that bosmers/redguards/dunmer/imperial/orcs/khajiits can do more but why bretons = absolutly NO stam ?

Khajiits & dunmers have hybrids racial passives. Why not bretons ?

Breton is one of the BiS races in ESO now, while khajiits&dunmers are good only in some niche builds. You really want breton to became niche build race too?

Coppes

That’s like saying there are Redguards who use magic so therefore there should be Magicka and Stamina passives for Redguards.

“Do not stare so, warrior. Though Redguard mages are rare, we do exist” - Taman, Southern High Rock Gate

Royaji

Considering how much hate has this stamina passive gotten on Altmers I don't see why Bretons need a stamina passive. Especially in place of their best magicka passive.

Banana

I like my pure Breton as is.

Xarc

Royaji wrote: »

Considering how much hate has this stamina passive gotten on Altmers I don't see why Bretons need a stamina passive. Especially in place of their best magicka passive.

How many people are playing stamina altmers ? I guess not a lot.
I never understood why zenimax choosed to make bretons 100% magicka while they're giving stam to altmers. This passive should have been for bretons

NotaDaedraWorshipper

The stamina for altmer is pretty new and not very liked by many. At least not from a lore point of view.

Sanguinor2

Xarcus wrote: »

How many people are playing stamina altmers ? I guess not a lot.
I never understood why zenimax choosed to make bretons 100% magicka while they're giving stam to altmers. This passive should have been for bretons

Thing with spell recharge is its only a stam passive when you are a mag char. As soon as you have more max stam than max mag on an altmer spell recharge will recharge mag so it doesnt help a hypothetical stam altmer with anything stam.

So in a comparison between stam altmer and stam breton altmer gets a bit of mag regen and max mag (spell Damage is completely useless for a stam build) and breton gets max mag, mag cost reduction and spell resistance. So actually stam Bretons get more out of their race than a stam altmer does since you can get (some) use out of all passives while the spell Damage from altmer is completely useless for a stam build since Nothing scales with it and for a pelinal build stacking weapon Damage is much more effective.

Artim_X

You can perform any role with your character. You just need the suitable gear, active/passive skills, and experience.

Although class and race will determine your level of effectiveness (min-maxing), you can still be effective with off-meta setups.

dazee

if racial passives are done correctly there wont be more than a minor difference whether you made a stam character on a "magicka race" or not. Play the race you like and if someone tells you you're doing it wrong pop em a big ol middle finger like they deserve.

VaranisArano

I distinctly remember a good portion of Altmer players throwing a fit about getting that stamina passive, as they wanted to be the pure magicka ones.

That being said, if I cared about the passives, my second-most-played character probably wouldn't be my Breton Stam Sorc.

TheShadowScout

Artim_X wrote: »

You can perform any role with your character. You just need the suitable gear, active/passive skills, and experience.

Although class and race will determine your level of effectiveness (min-maxing), you can still be effective with off-meta setups.

Agreed.

Personally I wouldn't mind if they reduced the effect of the -racial- passives a bit more, and added a bunch of new passives to balance, like: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/442350/character-background-passives

xXMeowMeowXx

Banana wrote: »

I like my pure Breton as is.

Yes Banana, as it should be >:v

Xarc

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Xarcus wrote: »

How many people are playing stamina altmers ? I guess not a lot.
I never understood why zenimax choosed to make bretons 100% magicka while they're giving stam to altmers. This passive should have been for bretons

Thing with spell recharge is its only a stam passive when you are a mag char. As soon as you have more max stam than max mag on an altmer spell recharge will recharge mag so it doesnt help a hypothetical stam altmer with anything stam.

So in a comparison between stam altmer and stam breton altmer gets a bit of mag regen and max mag (spell Damage is completely useless for a stam build) and breton gets max mag, mag cost reduction and spell resistance. So actually stam Bretons get more out of their race than a stam altmer does since you can get (some) use out of all passives while the spell Damage from altmer is completely useless for a stam build since Nothing scales with it and for a pelinal build stacking weapon Damage is much more effective.

Yes I know, by exemple if you're dodging or blocking with your magicka altmer, it costs some stam but it is not your bigger ressource. But using a spell will regen it.
As you said hybrid build based on an altmer is better with a set like pelinal than using a breton. Breton are really good for magicka and as stam, even if i'm happy to have some magicka bonus, i think there are too many passives based on magicka.

I have many suggestions about possibles changes :

A )

• Opportunist – Increases your Alliance Points gained by 1%.
• Gift of Magnus: Increases your Max Magicka by 2000, and your Max stamina by 1000
• Spell Attunement: Gain 2310 Spell Resistance and 100 Magicka Recovery.
• Magicka Mastery: Reduces the Magicka cost of your abilities by 3%.

B )

• Opportunist – Increases your Alliance Points gained by 1%.
• Gift of Magnus: Increases your Max Magicka by 2000, and your Max health by 1000
• Spell Attunement: Gain 2310 Spell Resistance and 100 Magicka Recovery.
• Magicka Mastery: Reduces the Magicka cost of your abilities by 3%.

c )

• Opportunist – Increases your Alliance Points gained by 1%.
• Gift of Magnus: Increases your Max Magicka by 3000, and your Max stam by 750
• Spell Attunement: Gain 2310 Spell Resistance
• Magicka Mastery: Reduces the Magicka cost of your abilities by 4%.

etc

Vevvev

What makes Bretons good warriors in battle is their resistances to magic as well as their magical ability. They don't need the stamina passives when they are already incredibly difficult to kill and can improve that even more with their magical potential. There is a reason there are a lot of spellswords in High Rock who use magic to overcome any physical weaknesses they might have.

Lorewise they are actually in a good spot that makes sense in ESO. I'd be focusing my attention more on Bosmer and Argonians to be honest as they are a bit..... off. And that's putting it lightly.

AcadianPaladin

My Bosmer mage will trade racials with your Breton stam fighter anytime.

BlueRaven

All of the racial passives are pretty messed up, Bosmer and Argonian especially. It would be nice if someone at ZOS with lore and gameplay knowledge would design them properly.

Cirantille

Agreed.

I find Altmer extra stam regen and Dunmer extra stam to be useful, especially since people cc you a lot it makes roll-dodge, break free better and you can do these more. I don't know why people don't like these.

At least from pvp point, for magicka chars, most of the time death comes from lack of stamina. That is why people use bloodspawn, shackle etc to stack stamina.

Breton could use some stam love.

Nerouyn

BlueRaven wrote: »

All of the racial passives are pretty messed up, Bosmer and Argonian especially. It would be nice if someone at ZOS with lore and gameplay knowledge would design them properly.

Truthfully they are fundamentally messed up and all need to be thrown out.

In the single player games, racial aptitudes for different skills, eg. Bosmer and stealth only affected starting values for those skills.

Every player, regardless of race, could achieve equal proficiency in any skill.

In ESO the only racial passives which respect this are the base ones - which give races a speed boost for X skill - but do not affect proficiency once that skill is maxed.

Prior to ESO, neither ES game design nor story reeked of racism.

ESO does because of racial passives.

LukosCreyden

Nerouyn wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

All of the racial passives are pretty messed up, Bosmer and Argonian especially. It would be nice if someone at ZOS with lore and gameplay knowledge would design them properly.

Truthfully they are fundamentally messed up and all need to be thrown out.

In the single player games, racial aptitudes for different skills, eg. Bosmer and stealth only affected starting values for those skills.

Every player, regardless of race, could achieve equal proficiency in any skill.

In ESO the only racial passives which respect this are the base ones - which give races a speed boost for X skill - but do not affect proficiency once that skill is maxed.

Prior to ESO, neither ES game design nor story reeked of racism.

ESO does because of racial passives.

Story-wise, the ES series is absolutely about racism, always has been. In fact, it is probably one of the main themes in the series.

Netheniel

I think a history lesson is in order.



This, ladies and gentlemen, is why Bretons must not stray from the path. Heed the wisdom of our hero.

Nerouyn

LukosCreyden wrote: »

Story-wise, the ES series is absolutely about racism, always has been. In fact, it is probably one of the main themes in the series.

I didn't claim otherwise.

But the story isn't PRO racism. It's anti.

ESO's game design is PRO.

Right up to including achievements for killing X players of each race.

bearbelly

My Breton magsorc accidentally ran afoul of a couple of NPC werewolves in the wild on Bite Night a couple of weeks ago, and got scratched.
I've been thinking about re-speccing her to a stamsorc, but I wasn't sure if that would be a dumb choice for a Breton (in PvE).

I know what the current opinion is regarding the status of werewolf playability, so I don't need to hear that yet again, I'm just wondering if a Breton stamsorc would work.

D0PAMINE

hakan wrote: »

For PvP wise you can already play stam breton fine. you wont have to invest in any magicka as stamina. usually people try to get extra off resource(in your case magicka) from CP, gears and enchants.

Plus if we go deep on every race, we also need sneak/stealth passive and move speed passives on dunmer too.

I've seen some Breton Stamsorcs before.

Nerouyn

bearbelly wrote: »

My Breton magsorc accidentally ran afoul of a couple of NPC werewolves in the wild on Bite Night a couple of weeks ago, and got scratched.
I've been thinking about re-speccing her to a stamsorc, but I wasn't sure if that would be a dumb choice for a Breton (in PvE).

Possibly the game will soon make werewolves viable for magicka players.

All other elites scale to highest resource and matching magic or weapon damage.

The only werewolf ability which uses magicka and which scaled to magicka was their heal. Changed to scale to health. Meaning that they could change all of their damage abilities to scale to highest of magicka / stamina without affecting this.

And there's the vampire vamp.

While Elder Stamina Online has never been shy about favouring stamina players, the old werewolf = stam and vampire = magicka divide couldn't possibly be allowed to continue with vampires soon to be more substantial and interesting.

Stam players would inevitably demand stam viable vamps.

At which point it would be very difficult to justify werewolves not being mag viable.

So I would bet that vamps will be stam viable from the get go and werewolves will be made mag viable when the vamp revamp goes live.

Tigerseye

Yeah, it's a bit boring having a race confined to one kind of gameplay...

This is the problem with racials, in general.

Wood Elf is pretty much locked into not just Stam, but also Stam DPS only, if you want to optimise, at all.

That is what I happen to play, but if I wanted to switch to tank, or healer, I would be extremely sub-optimal.

...and you can forget Magicka anything, obviously.