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Lets have an auction house please!!!
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Reverb✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭i appreciate the ways that eso is different than typical cookie cutter mmo games. Why do people bother to play new games if they want them to be just like the old ones?Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche6 -
Skcarkden✭✭✭✭I seriously doubt Zos would entertain adding/changing to an AH or central trader. The trading system is basically something they really wanted when they developed the game. They touted it before the game launched and my bet is it is the pet project of at least one of the devs. Pretty sure as long as Matt is at the helm an AH will not happen.
That's the sad reality of it, essentially because one guy in charge is wrong, let's use an analogy, that he claims 2+2=5 and because he has the final say refuses to even listen to people telling him it's actually 4.
Heck, the customisation system was held back for so long because one guy had this opinion that he didn't wanna see pink people running around in pink armour and swords.6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Darkenarlol wrote: »it's been a couple of months without AH threads, right?
You're right, another one was overdue.4 -
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✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Not gona happen
Their vision is a guild trader system, not an auction house.
I find things I need with few issues. 1000s of players use the system as is with little to no problems. I don't understand why you cant.
The system is nearly impossible to use on consoles.
There is no TTC for searching for items. It can take hours to find a specific item.
There are also no add-ons like MM and ATT which can track member sales, making running a trade guild exceedingly difficult.
The only reason it's even remotely usable on PC is because of add-ons.
PC crowd is carried in most aspects of the game w/addons & macros...I don't fault them, but hard to take any opinion seriously either.2 -
Skcarkden✭✭✭✭i appreciate the ways that eso is different than typical cookie cutter mmo games. Why do people bother to play new games if they want them to be just like the old ones?
Calm down this isn't "buy items cheap in one zone and sell at markup at prime Vendor location all day" Online.
I bought this game to play not to waste my life checking every single vendor for an item no one will sell because space or time is limited so only 'worthwhile' items get listed since obscure items won't sell if they can't find your listing.
If people buy a game solely to be miserable and buy/sell all day everyday as a subtle hint to the world "i need help before it's too late" that's their choice, just stop expecting your obtuse reasoning from affecting others who just wanna continue on with the game itself.14 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Not gona happen
Their vision is a guild trader system, not an auction house.
I find things I need with few issues. 1000s of players use the system as is with little to no problems. I don't understand why you cant.
The system is nearly impossible to use on consoles.
There is no TTC for searching for items. It can take hours to find a specific item.
There are also no add-ons like MM and ATT which can track member sales, making running a trade guild exceedingly difficult.
The only reason it's even remotely usable on PC is because of add-ons.
PC crowd is carried in most aspects of the game w/addons & macros...I don't fault them, but hard to take any opinion seriously either.
I'm on PC, but this is one area where I can sympathize with the console crowd. The vanilla trading system is awful.
I'm also a member of a number of top trading guilds, but I understand not everyone is or can be (the requirements for these guilds are high and they are limited to 500 members).
A central AH is a win-win for everyone. There is literally no drawback to it. Casual traders are uplifted and top traders can still make their money. And usability improves across the board.Edited by MLGProPlayer on October 6, 2019 11:58PM16 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Not gona happen
Their vision is a guild trader system, not an auction house.
I find things I need with few issues. 1000s of players use the system as is with little to no problems. I don't understand why you cant.
The system is nearly impossible to use on consoles.
There is no TTC for searching for items. It can take hours to find a specific item.
There are also no add-ons like MM and ATT which can track member sales, making running a trade guild exceedingly difficult.
The only reason it's even remotely usable on PC is because of add-ons.
PC crowd is carried in most aspects of the game w/addons & macros...I don't fault them, but hard to take any opinion seriously either.
I'm on PC, but this is one area where I can sympathize with the console crowd. The vanilla trading system is awful.
I'm also a member of a number of top trading guilds, but I understand not everyone is or can be (the requirements for these guilds are high and they are limited to 500 members).
A central AH is a win-win for everyone. There is literally no drawback to it. Casual traders are uplifted and top traders can still make their money. And usability improves across the board.
Well, no, there are drawbacks to a centralised auction house system.
Centralised auction house systems, in other games, make it easier for sellers to instantly undercut their opponents, normally via addons, by 1 gold (or silver, or whatever) and the fact that everything is on one venue makes it less likely that someone will buy the (even slightly) more expensively priced item.
Whereas, with separate stores (guild, or otherwise), neither is the case.
There are fewer people to undercut you, on the same venue and the buyer is more likely to pay a couple of hundred more gold (on an item worth a few thousands), if necessary, to avoid having to travel to another wayshrine and then run to a distant guild store.
However, these advantages are, in my opinion, heavily outweighed by the trauma of trying to find reasonably price mats on separate guild stores; which, by the time they are listed on TTC, are normally already sold.
As I have said previously, I think the ideal system would allow the selling of slower selling, lower volume (e.g. crafted) items on separate stores (to avoid the instant undercutting issues), but would also allow the selling of fast selling, high volume items (like crafting mats) on a centralised system (for convenience).
If it had to be one or the other I would have to choose the centralised system, though.Edited by Tigerseye on October 7, 2019 12:57AM4 -
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How original. But a horse ain't dead just because you say it is. A dead horse would be something that is definitively and irrevocably decided. There is nothing stopping ZOS from implementing an AH in the future, so the discussion remains valid. If you don't want to discuss, you can just move along.
Except the Developers have stated categorically that there will never be a central auction house in this game.
So, yea, the horse is dead. Buried. And decomposed.
Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
PakKat "Everything was going well, until I died"
Gary Gravestink "I am glad you died, I needed the help"7 -
Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »A central AH is a win-win for everyone. There is literally no drawback to it.
Five thousand threads on this topic and you still have the gall to make that claim. The reason the guild trader system exists in the first place is because AHs are full of drawbacks that ZoS was trying to get away from."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."14 -
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✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »A central AH is a win-win for everyone. There is literally no drawback to it.
Five thousand threads on this topic and you still have the gall to make that claim. The reason the guild trader system exists in the first place is because AHs are full of drawbacks that ZoS was trying to get away from.
Name one ESO auction system that works better than traditional auction house system (I refer to wow as an example).
There are none. The only thing the ESO auction house system does is introduce new issues, which is why people keep asking for a central AH system every few months.
The ESO system benefits few, central benefits all.11 -
Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »A central AH is a win-win for everyone. There is literally no drawback to it.
Five thousand threads on this topic and you still have the gall to make that claim. The reason the guild trader system exists in the first place is because AHs are full of drawbacks that ZoS was trying to get away from.
Name one ESO auction system that works better than traditional auction house system (I refer to wow as an example).
There are none. The only thing the ESO auction house system does is introduce new issues, which is why people keep asking for a central AH system every few months.
The ESO system benefits few, central benefits all.
There are none because ESO doesn't have an auction system. It has a far superior guild trader system. Even those of you whining for an AH just like every other MMO since WoW are benefiting from it. Lower inflation, fewer and shorter lived monopolies, far fewer undercut wars, the ability to sell your items for fair market value rather than being forced to sell at the lowest possible price, the ability to buy items at a fair price rather than being forced to pay exorbitant sums, etc. etc. This nonsense that it's only a handful of people, probably part of some secret cartel, who benefit from the guild trader system is complete BS."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."11 -
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How original. But a horse ain't dead just because you say it is. A dead horse would be something that is definitively and irrevocably decided. There is nothing stopping ZOS from implementing an AH in the future, so the discussion remains valid. If you don't want to discuss, you can just move along.
Except the Developers have stated categorically that there will never be a central auction house in this game.
So, yea, the horse is dead. Buried. And decomposed.
I like to collect Dev quotes for future reference in dead horse threads like these. Do you know where they said that?3 -
Raideen✭✭✭✭✭
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Incorrect. New players constantly talk about wanting a central auction house. The people like myself who know this is an amazing idea will obviously chime in with our support, in the exact same way you are trolling the thread.8 -
Raideen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »A central AH is a win-win for everyone. There is literally no drawback to it.
Five thousand threads on this topic and you still have the gall to make that claim. The reason the guild trader system exists in the first place is because AHs are full of drawbacks that ZoS was trying to get away from.
Name one ESO auction system that works better than traditional auction house system (I refer to wow as an example).
There are none. The only thing the ESO auction house system does is introduce new issues, which is why people keep asking for a central AH system every few months.
The ESO system benefits few, central benefits all.
There are none because ESO doesn't have an auction system. It has a far superior guild trader system. Even those of you whining for an AH just like every other MMO since WoW are benefiting from it. Lower inflation, fewer and shorter lived monopolies, far fewer undercut wars, the ability to sell your items for fair market value rather than being forced to sell at the lowest possible price, the ability to buy items at a fair price rather than being forced to pay exorbitant sums, etc. etc. This nonsense that it's only a handful of people, probably part of some secret cartel, who benefit from the guild trader system is complete BS.
There is absolutely ZERO about the ESO system that makes it superior to WOW's auction house system. This system is OVERLY inflated due to its design. It does not allow for competition.
I constantly undercut people in wow, drove prices down and made a good amount of money, more than I can make in this game unless I play just to make money. ESO's system is a joke.12 -
Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
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Incorrect. New players constantly talk about wanting a central auction house. The people like myself who know this is an amazing idea will obviously chime in with our support, in the exact same way you are trolling the thread.
They ask where the auction house is because that's all they've ever known and it never occurred to them that there could be another way."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."9 -
Raideen✭✭✭✭✭
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Incorrect. New players constantly talk about wanting a central auction house. The people like myself who know this is an amazing idea will obviously chime in with our support, in the exact same way you are trolling the thread.
They ask where the auction house is because that's all they've ever known and it never occurred to them that there could be another way.
Incorrect. These are folks who got into trade guilds and find the system cumbersome (it is), lacking sales (it does).
The only people in this game who love the guild system are the rich ones who abuse it with addons. The rest wish for something more fair, balanced. The issue is many game devs (esp popular titles) are some of the most narcissistic people on the planet and RARELY admit to the community they were wrong in their design.
ESO's auction system sucks, there is no benefit to the people as a whole to use this system over a traditional AH.15 -
Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »A central AH is a win-win for everyone. There is literally no drawback to it.
Five thousand threads on this topic and you still have the gall to make that claim. The reason the guild trader system exists in the first place is because AHs are full of drawbacks that ZoS was trying to get away from.
Name one ESO auction system that works better than traditional auction house system (I refer to wow as an example).
There are none. The only thing the ESO auction house system does is introduce new issues, which is why people keep asking for a central AH system every few months.
The ESO system benefits few, central benefits all.
There are none because ESO doesn't have an auction system. It has a far superior guild trader system. Even those of you whining for an AH just like every other MMO since WoW are benefiting from it. Lower inflation, fewer and shorter lived monopolies, far fewer undercut wars, the ability to sell your items for fair market value rather than being forced to sell at the lowest possible price, the ability to buy items at a fair price rather than being forced to pay exorbitant sums, etc. etc. This nonsense that it's only a handful of people, probably part of some secret cartel, who benefit from the guild trader system is complete BS.
There is absolutely ZERO about the ESO system that makes it superior to WOW's auction house system. This system is OVERLY inflated due to its design. It does not allow for competition.
I constantly undercut people in wow, drove prices down and made a good amount of money, more than I can make in this game unless I play just to make money. ESO's system is a joke.
I knew it. You were part of the problem and you dislike not being able to use the same tactics (if you can even call it that) that you used in WoW to make a bunch of money in ESO. You can't just mindlessly undercut everybody in the world every time you go to sell something and you're upset that you have to actually price your items now.
As for disallowing competition, that is utter ***. If one guild tends to have better prices and more selection than another, guess which one I'm more likely to frequent? The only "competition" WoW style AHs have is who can race to the bottom the fastest, only to one day be completely bought out by someone, likely a gold seller, trying to corner the market, which he can very easily do."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."8 -
Raideen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »A central AH is a win-win for everyone. There is literally no drawback to it.
Five thousand threads on this topic and you still have the gall to make that claim. The reason the guild trader system exists in the first place is because AHs are full of drawbacks that ZoS was trying to get away from.
Name one ESO auction system that works better than traditional auction house system (I refer to wow as an example).
There are none. The only thing the ESO auction house system does is introduce new issues, which is why people keep asking for a central AH system every few months.
The ESO system benefits few, central benefits all.
There are none because ESO doesn't have an auction system. It has a far superior guild trader system. Even those of you whining for an AH just like every other MMO since WoW are benefiting from it. Lower inflation, fewer and shorter lived monopolies, far fewer undercut wars, the ability to sell your items for fair market value rather than being forced to sell at the lowest possible price, the ability to buy items at a fair price rather than being forced to pay exorbitant sums, etc. etc. This nonsense that it's only a handful of people, probably part of some secret cartel, who benefit from the guild trader system is complete BS.
There is absolutely ZERO about the ESO system that makes it superior to WOW's auction house system. This system is OVERLY inflated due to its design. It does not allow for competition.
I constantly undercut people in wow, drove prices down and made a good amount of money, more than I can make in this game unless I play just to make money. ESO's system is a joke.
I knew it. You were part of the problem and you dislike not being able to use the same tactics (if you can even call it that) that you used in WoW to make a bunch of money in ESO. You can't just mindlessly undercut everybody in the world every time you go to sell something and you're upset that you have to actually price your items now.
As for disallowing competition, that is utter ***. If one guild tends to have better prices and more selection than another, guess which one I'm more likely to frequent? The only "competition" WoW style AHs have is who can race to the bottom the fastest, only to one day be completely bought out by someone, likely a gold seller, trying to corner the market, which he can very easily do.
Incorrect.
Even the richest people in wow can not corner the market on any desirable good, there are too many people contributing to the sales.
I am not part of the problem, I am part of the solution just like everyone else who voices their discontent with terrible design and or practices being done in this product that we paid and pay for monthly.
ESO's system with the use of addons or TTC is INFINITELY worse at controlling the market than wow's ever was. Heck some of the guild traders are in league with each other and run multiple kiosks.
The only people I have ever come across in this game who champion this system are the stupidly rich in the guild traders, and people like you on the forums. Every average player I know at first gives the system a chance, but soon realizes the huge pitfalls with ESO's system.
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »
How original. But a horse ain't dead just because you say it is. A dead horse would be something that is definitively and irrevocably decided. There is nothing stopping ZOS from implementing an AH in the future, so the discussion remains valid. If you don't want to discuss, you can just move along.
Except the Developers have stated categorically that there will never be a central auction house in this game.
So, yea, the horse is dead. Buried. And decomposed.
I like to collect Dev quotes for future reference in dead horse threads like these. Do you know where they said that?
My quote came from a face to face conversation with games director. I asked him point blank will we ever have an Auction House. His reply was this game will never have one, it is too easy to manipulate the market and does not promote a healthy economy. I wish had captured a video of it.Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
PakKat "Everything was going well, until I died"
Gary Gravestink "I am glad you died, I needed the help"15 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »A central AH is a win-win for everyone. There is literally no drawback to it.
Five thousand threads on this topic and you still have the gall to make that claim. The reason the guild trader system exists in the first place is because AHs are full of drawbacks that ZoS was trying to get away from.
Name one ESO auction system that works better than traditional auction house system (I refer to wow as an example).
There are none. The only thing the ESO auction house system does is introduce new issues, which is why people keep asking for a central AH system every few months.
The ESO system benefits few, central benefits all.
There are none because ESO doesn't have an auction system. It has a far superior guild trader system. Even those of you whining for an AH just like every other MMO since WoW are benefiting from it. Lower inflation, fewer and shorter lived monopolies, far fewer undercut wars, the ability to sell your items for fair market value rather than being forced to sell at the lowest possible price, the ability to buy items at a fair price rather than being forced to pay exorbitant sums, etc. etc. This nonsense that it's only a handful of people, probably part of some secret cartel, who benefit from the guild trader system is complete BS.
You're contradicting yourself. You're saying a central AH causes price wars, which lower prices, but then you say that a central AH leads to exorbitant prices. Which is it?
And the trader system, by its very nature, benefits only a few. There are only 500 slots per guild. There are only 5-6 traders per town. There are only 5-6 towns that see high foot traffic. That means ~15,000 players see greater benefit from the system than everyone else. That's not a conspiracy, it's a limitation imposed by the system.
Again, I'm in several top trading guilds. I'm not saying this because I'm "excluded". I'm simply calling out a flawed system for what it is.Edited by MLGProPlayer on October 7, 2019 2:04AM10 -
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✭✭✭So...I have been pondering why ESO would champion such a poor guild trader system and why its so defended by them and their personal.
When you consider the insanely high priced features in game like bank slots, character inventory slots, houses and anything else that can be purchased in game with gold, but that can also be had with crowns, its to ZOS benefit if players can not make gold as a whole, its a benefit to ZOS to keep prices high, to keep gold out of the pockets of the player.
When you consider the price of repair bills for just 4-6 hours of play if you are running dungeons or killing world bosses (and your risk of death increases). When you consider that it is literally impossible to make a reasonable amount of gold unless you are with a trader then it starts to become extremely apparent that ZOS wants high gold prices for items in game, else people might not go to the crown store to purchase them.
This is the BEST explanation for why the current system exists. It fits within their monetary model of designing the game to funnel the player to the crown store.
So ya, threads like this are pointless. NOT because a central AH system is better, but because its not in ZO$ interest to change the system else they lose real money.7 -
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✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »A central AH is a win-win for everyone. There is literally no drawback to it.
Five thousand threads on this topic and you still have the gall to make that claim. The reason the guild trader system exists in the first place is because AHs are full of drawbacks that ZoS was trying to get away from.
Name one ESO auction system that works better than traditional auction house system (I refer to wow as an example).
There are none. The only thing the ESO auction house system does is introduce new issues, which is why people keep asking for a central AH system every few months.
The ESO system benefits few, central benefits all.
There are none because ESO doesn't have an auction system. It has a far superior guild trader system. Even those of you whining for an AH just like every other MMO since WoW are benefiting from it. Lower inflation, fewer and shorter lived monopolies, far fewer undercut wars, the ability to sell your items for fair market value rather than being forced to sell at the lowest possible price, the ability to buy items at a fair price rather than being forced to pay exorbitant sums, etc. etc. This nonsense that it's only a handful of people, probably part of some secret cartel, who benefit from the guild trader system is complete BS.
There is absolutely ZERO about the ESO system that makes it superior to WOW's auction house system. This system is OVERLY inflated due to its design. It does not allow for competition.
I constantly undercut people in wow, drove prices down and made a good amount of money, more than I can make in this game unless I play just to make money. ESO's system is a joke.
I knew it. You were part of the problem and you dislike not being able to use the same tactics (if you can even call it that) that you used in WoW to make a bunch of money in ESO. You can't just mindlessly undercut everybody in the world every time you go to sell something and you're upset that you have to actually price your items now.
As for disallowing competition, that is utter ***. If one guild tends to have better prices and more selection than another, guess which one I'm more likely to frequent? The only "competition" WoW style AHs have is who can race to the bottom the fastest, only to one day be completely bought out by someone, likely a gold seller, trying to corner the market, which he can very easily do.
Incorrect.
Even the richest people in wow can not corner the market on any desirable good, there are too many people contributing to the sales.
I am not part of the problem, I am part of the solution just like everyone else who voices their discontent with terrible design and or practices being done in this product that we paid and pay for monthly.
ESO's system with the use of addons or TTC is INFINITELY worse at controlling the market than wow's ever was. Heck some of the guild traders are in league with each other and run multiple kiosks.
The only people I have ever come across in this game who champion this system are the stupidly rich in the guild traders, and people like you on the forums. Every average player I know at first gives the system a chance, but soon realizes the huge pitfalls with ESO's system.
How the hell is TTC worse than a centralized AH? It's not live and you can't just buy the items right away as soon as they pop up on TTC. Not to mention the market is still spread across literally hundreds of different traders and guilds, making it impossible to monopolize anything with any real noteworthy success. I already figured you for another guild trader conspiracy theorist, but even you shouldn't be able to deny that it's far easier to control a market when it's entirety is at your fingertips at any given moment."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."6 -
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Incorrect. New players constantly talk about wanting a central auction house. The people like myself who know this is an amazing idea will obviously chime in with our support, in the exact same way you are trolling the thread.
They ask where the auction house is because that's all they've ever known and it never occurred to them that there could be another way.
Incorrect. These are folks who got into trade guilds and find the system cumbersome (it is), lacking sales (it does).
The only people in this game who love the guild system are the rich ones who abuse it with addons. The rest wish for something more fair, balanced. The issue is many game devs (esp popular titles) are some of the most narcissistic people on the planet and RARELY admit to the community they were wrong in their design.
ESO's auction system sucks, there is no benefit to the people as a whole to use this system over a traditional AH.
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✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »A central AH is a win-win for everyone. There is literally no drawback to it.
Five thousand threads on this topic and you still have the gall to make that claim. The reason the guild trader system exists in the first place is because AHs are full of drawbacks that ZoS was trying to get away from.
Name one ESO auction system that works better than traditional auction house system (I refer to wow as an example).
There are none. The only thing the ESO auction house system does is introduce new issues, which is why people keep asking for a central AH system every few months.
The ESO system benefits few, central benefits all.
There are none because ESO doesn't have an auction system. It has a far superior guild trader system. Even those of you whining for an AH just like every other MMO since WoW are benefiting from it. Lower inflation, fewer and shorter lived monopolies, far fewer undercut wars, the ability to sell your items for fair market value rather than being forced to sell at the lowest possible price, the ability to buy items at a fair price rather than being forced to pay exorbitant sums, etc. etc. This nonsense that it's only a handful of people, probably part of some secret cartel, who benefit from the guild trader system is complete BS.
There is absolutely ZERO about the ESO system that makes it superior to WOW's auction house system. This system is OVERLY inflated due to its design. It does not allow for competition.
I constantly undercut people in wow, drove prices down and made a good amount of money, more than I can make in this game unless I play just to make money. ESO's system is a joke.
I knew it. You were part of the problem and you dislike not being able to use the same tactics (if you can even call it that) that you used in WoW to make a bunch of money in ESO. You can't just mindlessly undercut everybody in the world every time you go to sell something and you're upset that you have to actually price your items now.
As for disallowing competition, that is utter ***. If one guild tends to have better prices and more selection than another, guess which one I'm more likely to frequent? The only "competition" WoW style AHs have is who can race to the bottom the fastest, only to one day be completely bought out by someone, likely a gold seller, trying to corner the market, which he can very easily do.
Incorrect.
Even the richest people in wow can not corner the market on any desirable good, there are too many people contributing to the sales.
I am not part of the problem, I am part of the solution just like everyone else who voices their discontent with terrible design and or practices being done in this product that we paid and pay for monthly.
ESO's system with the use of addons or TTC is INFINITELY worse at controlling the market than wow's ever was. Heck some of the guild traders are in league with each other and run multiple kiosks.
The only people I have ever come across in this game who champion this system are the stupidly rich in the guild traders, and people like you on the forums. Every average player I know at first gives the system a chance, but soon realizes the huge pitfalls with ESO's system.
How the hell is TTC worse than a centralized AH? It's not live and you can't just buy the items right away as soon as they pop up on TTC. Not to mention the market is still spread across literally hundreds of different traders and guilds, making it impossible to monopolize anything with any real noteworthy success. I already figured you for another guild trader conspiracy theorist, but even you shouldn't be able to deny that it's far easier to control a market when it's entirety is at your fingertips at any given moment.
Ahh, calling me a conspiracy theorist. Fastest way to shut someone down or get the readers to disregard my commentary. SMH
TTC and MM (addon) allow the guild traders to easily locate where items are for sale and buy them up. Heck I did this last week when I was looking for mundane runes. I bought all the cheap stuff up, kept what I needed and posted the new stuff for a much higher price. Made some coin but also noticed everything else was pushed to my price point.
This auction system MIGHT work if TTC and MM did not exist, but they do and that is in part why it does not work.
The truth about the guild traders is that its not truly spread out across the game, they are located in the major areas. You only need to travel to a handful of cities to control the market.Edited by Raideen on October 7, 2019 2:18AM5 -
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✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »
Incorrect. New players constantly talk about wanting a central auction house. The people like myself who know this is an amazing idea will obviously chime in with our support, in the exact same way you are trolling the thread.
They ask where the auction house is because that's all they've ever known and it never occurred to them that there could be another way.
Incorrect. These are folks who got into trade guilds and find the system cumbersome (it is), lacking sales (it does).
The only people in this game who love the guild system are the rich ones who abuse it with addons. The rest wish for something more fair, balanced. The issue is many game devs (esp popular titles) are some of the most narcissistic people on the planet and RARELY admit to the community they were wrong in their design.
ESO's auction system sucks, there is no benefit to the people as a whole to use this system over a traditional AH.
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✭✭✭✭✭As someone with many years in WoW and RIFT, I have to enter a caveat here. The central global market system in those games enabled EVERYONE to list items for sale, buy items they wanted, at reasonable gold.
This game is.... weird. Unless you're willing to do trade guilds you can't sell anything outside of Murgonak or whoever. If it wasn't so easy to make gold in this game, I'd have left after the first day....
Now, I do love TES. But ESO is.... way out in left field. The entire guild system is strange. Who on Tamriel wants to mess with five guilds? Good lord.... I don't have any interest in ONE guild, much less five of them. And having to join a guild just to make a little gold on some stuff I don't need? *rolls eyes*
This one thing has made me think a few times about dumping this game. I do understand that having instituted this particular peculiar system as a "we're not anything like the other games" (yeah right), the devs cannot now unwind it without losing thousands of players - because the dev insistence on "guilds are EVERYTHING" is endemic at this point. So if they decide they blew it, well.... you can imagine how many players would leave - everyone in all the guilds who are raking in the gold.... No, don't bother to tell me "they have to bid on slots". Sure they do, but they obviously make it up and many times more on sales or they wouldn't go there, would they?
Because the trading guilds have a monopoly. And yeah. They aren't going to give it up.
It's a really good thing gold is easy to come by in this game. If it wasn't I would have been gone in the first day. Serious.11 -
Feindrah✭✭✭I don't usually don't reply in these threads that seem to pop up every month but... I gotta agree that we should just have a central AH already. What we have now works I guess. It's just a burden. Even more so since they changed how guild bidding works. I even had to leave guilds since I can't keep up with increased dues anymore now that i'm playing casually.
I think a central AH has more pro's than con's but I'm not sure anyone's mind will be changed in this discussion.
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