StamDK should be EARTH themed - not Poison

BrentBlemish

I agree with the OP to an extent. I think the DK has 3 identities. (look at the Warden how its 3 types are Animals, Plants and then Frost)

as a DPS role... Mag version is fire and Stam version is poison.

As a Tank role... It's Earth or Rock focus.

Fire and poison = DPS roles and Earth = Tank roles.

ArcVelarian

SFDB wrote: »

Why not air? Dragons:
-Blow
-Fly
-Knock things down with their voices

Raw power via wind and strong physical strikes and makes as much sense. A dragon could as easily rip you apart and flatten you with roars/wings as roast you alive.

Banana

Maybe it'll happen. A 180 is this combat teams specialty.

BattleAxe

Davadin wrote: »

BattleAxe wrote: »

I guess you’ve never heard of poison dragons so yes poison fits the dk theme nicely

so why do we have a whole line of earth-based skills, and only 2 MORPHS that are poison?



(disclaimer: i know the whole reason they picked poison as in the whole game, it attributes based on stamina, instead of magicka-based fire, it just doesn't look as cool when i vomit)

Counter question why is only 1 skill in the earth line in any way dps oriented? (aka stone fist) Earth skill line is more defense and cc oriented just FYI.

satanio

Dirtknight?

Vapirko

Now you’re poison and earth!! #classidentity #deepdive

Xvorg

Guyle wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Guyle wrote: »

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

That’s actually a good idea. Not sure the programming behind it but replace poison with earth and make it a different damage source dealing with elemental and make it so earth damage lol. If not just rock animation have vines come out of the ground. Since each element already has something that goes a long with it (like concussion, snare, etc.) earth could deal with some sort of minor buff, maybe minor fracture? Add an earth staff too. That would be some cool ground effect AoE!

Yeah, I know, it would be too much.

You want us to have plant powers now?

DKs are a combination of destruction magic (fire) and alteration magic (earth). That's even in lore:

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Forged_in_the_Heart_of_Mundus

Okay, but I don't see where you'd get the vines from earth magic though. Sure, plants come from the ground, but traditionally I think most of us associate plants with nature magic and earth magic with stuff like rocks and metal. Even that link you gave makes no mention of plants. Like, wouldn't it make more sense to say use a power like sinkhole to root opponents using earth magic then summoning vines to grab them?

Its earth magic, not green magic, I agree with you on vines being far from the concept (that's more a Warden thing). Unfortunatelt poison magic is more related to plants =/

starkerealm

slofwnd wrote: »

Poison dragons are a thing. They are reptiles...

That's not poison, that's venom. It's different.

VirtualElizabeth

The Earth line could be modified to more of a volcanic line - molten rocks etc. Seems kind of dragonish?

starkerealm

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

The Earth line could be modified to more of a volcanic line - molten rocks etc. Seems kind of dragonish?

Does it, though?

I mean, DK does have Molten Heart, so... kinda? Maybe?

Also, remember, the DKs aren't actually channeling draconic power. They can't use the Thu'um. They're practicing an Akaviri martial art that was designed to emulate dragons. Maybe this stuff makes sense in that context?

Cadbury

DKs throwing rocks...no...earth.
Not throwing...bending.

OMG
I get it now.

VirtualElizabeth

starkerealm wrote: »

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

The Earth line could be modified to more of a volcanic line - molten rocks etc. Seems kind of dragonish?

Does it, though?

I mean, DK does have Molten Heart, so... kinda? Maybe?

Also, remember, the DKs aren't actually channeling draconic power. They can't use the Thu'um. They're practicing an Akaviri martial art that was designed to emulate dragons. Maybe this stuff makes sense in that context?

I have to admit I am not the best with the lore of the older races, but if this the case then why is there an earth line at all?

Now I did do some googling of the Akavari and found the Tsaeci are considering Akaviri??? So if they are snake like people then poison wouldnt be that far off in my mind.

mcagatayg

I wish we could still deal fire damage, and be viable earth is nice and all but meh.

DreadDaedroth

It should be disease themed. So it'd be cooler with Thurvokun and Maarselok monster sets

Davadin

starkerealm wrote: »

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

The Earth line could be modified to more of a volcanic line - molten rocks etc. Seems kind of dragonish?

Does it, though?

I mean, DK does have Molten Heart, so... kinda? Maybe?

Also, remember, the DKs aren't actually channeling draconic power. They can't use the Thu'um. They're practicing an Akaviri martial art that was designed to emulate dragons. Maybe this stuff makes sense in that context?

where'd u get that?

when the in-game description of the draconic line is "channeling your inner dragon..."

VaranisArano

Davadin wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

The Earth line could be modified to more of a volcanic line - molten rocks etc. Seems kind of dragonish?

Does it, though?

I mean, DK does have Molten Heart, so... kinda? Maybe?

Also, remember, the DKs aren't actually channeling draconic power. They can't use the Thu'um. They're practicing an Akaviri martial art that was designed to emulate dragons. Maybe this stuff makes sense in that context?

where'd u get that?

when the in-game description of the draconic line is "channeling your inner dragon..."

I mean, we aren't using the Thu'um. I'm not shouting Yol Tor SHUL! when I use Engulfing Flames.

We're also not Dragonborn (proof: the entire Main Quest), so learning the Thu'um would take years. It took Ulfric around 10 years to learn 2 shouts. Keep that in mind when you think about grinding up another DK. (Yes, there are other schools of Shouting than the Greybeards, but they aren't as effective, and it still takes a long time to learn.)

Davadin

VaranisArano wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

The Earth line could be modified to more of a volcanic line - molten rocks etc. Seems kind of dragonish?

Does it, though?

I mean, DK does have Molten Heart, so... kinda? Maybe?

Also, remember, the DKs aren't actually channeling draconic power. They can't use the Thu'um. They're practicing an Akaviri martial art that was designed to emulate dragons. Maybe this stuff makes sense in that context?

where'd u get that?

when the in-game description of the draconic line is "channeling your inner dragon..."

I mean, we aren't using the Thu'um. I'm not shouting Yol Tor SHUL! when I use Engulfing Flames.

We're also not Dragonborn (proof: the entire Main Quest), so learning the Thu'um would take years. It took Ulfric around 10 years to learn 2 shouts. Keep that in mind when you think about grinding up another DK. (Yes, there are other schools of Shouting than the Greybeards, but they aren't as effective, and it still takes a long time to learn.)

we're not dragonborn, but we're stil channeling draconic power.

i mean, dude, i'm not shouting Thu'um, but GDB made me turn green and i can sprout wings.

call it Akaviri or call it draconic power, I still don't see how we gets to be "poison theme".

#poisonislame

Lokey0024

BattleAxe wrote: »

I guess you’ve never heard of poison dragons so yes poison fits the dk theme nicely

I heard of ice dragons, so make points.

JusticeSouldier

Actually, most of the gases, liquids and rocks from vulcano are poisonous.
So poison and stone themes are very compatible... even if to ignore that fact that eso world has own rules...
When stamdks became poison oriented instead of fire it was a very nice step for dks identity.

Xvorg

VaranisArano wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

The Earth line could be modified to more of a volcanic line - molten rocks etc. Seems kind of dragonish?

Does it, though?

I mean, DK does have Molten Heart, so... kinda? Maybe?

Also, remember, the DKs aren't actually channeling draconic power. They can't use the Thu'um. They're practicing an Akaviri martial art that was designed to emulate dragons. Maybe this stuff makes sense in that context?

where'd u get that?

when the in-game description of the draconic line is "channeling your inner dragon..."

I mean, we aren't using the Thu'um. I'm not shouting Yol Tor SHUL! when I use Engulfing Flames.

We're also not Dragonborn (proof: the entire Main Quest), so learning the Thu'um would take years. It took Ulfric around 10 years to learn 2 shouts. Keep that in mind when you think about grinding up another DK. (Yes, there are other schools of Shouting than the Greybeards, but they aren't as effective, and it still takes a long time to learn.)

I think Gabrielle Benele clarifies that in a book:
https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Ardent_Flame:_Draconic_or_Endemic?

TBH, I think it is a combination of alteration + destruction + maybe draconic power. I don't think Dragons are just from Tamriel, Akavir also should have had it and it is also possible certain dragon priests went from Tamriel to Akavir at some point.

In any case, in the Combat & Character mechanics sub forum theres a post suggesting Dovakhiin as a class (it made me cry btw)

Zatox

Fire? Stone? Poison? No.
Dragon theme.
Take Flight is the most beautiful ability in the game IMO.
Spiked Armor? Looks great, those gloving spikes on the back and on the hands...
Reflective Scales is also looks amazing, talons not bad. Deep breath feels so powerful when you use it.

I dont have any proposals. Im just saying, DK may have much more flavor as a DRAGON

Elsonso

No, the DK should not be poison or disease based. That change ruined the class, from my perspective, years ago. I basically stopped playing it, since I was interested in stamina and was not interested in poison.

Miloscpolski

lordrichter wrote: »

No, the DK should not be poison or disease based. That change ruined the class, from my perspective, years ago. I basically stopped playing it, since I was interested in stamina and was not interested in poison.

You are right!

JusticeSouldier

no, i've found what should be dk.
Answer is Hengehog.
Volatile Armor should be permanent and cover whole body with spikes. even fingers.
he should be able to pickpocket into spiked ball and became it while Leap with rolling around after for few minuts!
Main skill should be grunt.
Coming slowly to enemy, looking into his feared eyes, and grunt him with the nouse to the death.
Stonefist should be reworked.
Applefist - he should throw the apples.And mushrums

Faulgor

Davadin wrote: »

That's not a Dragonknight, that's heavy Ebonheart Pact armor.
Although class-based armor styles would be kinda cool.

Earth is also not really an elemental theme in TES, as it doesn't make much sense considering where magical power derives from. As a physical form of damage? Well, then we are back to throwing poop rocks.

starkerealm

Davadin wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

The Earth line could be modified to more of a volcanic line - molten rocks etc. Seems kind of dragonish?

Does it, though?

I mean, DK does have Molten Heart, so... kinda? Maybe?

Also, remember, the DKs aren't actually channeling draconic power. They can't use the Thu'um. They're practicing an Akaviri martial art that was designed to emulate dragons. Maybe this stuff makes sense in that context?

where'd u get that?

when the in-game description of the draconic line is "channeling your inner dragon..."

Here:



The Ka'Po'Tun have an obsession with emulating dragons. So, this really fits. Not sure about the poison dragons. That could be a variant that's unique to Akavir, or it could just be the Ka'Po'Tun being weird. Either way.

Elsonso

starkerealm wrote: »

... "and spews poison across the land."

starkerealm

lordrichter wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

... "and spews poison across the land."

At least they're not vomiting blood... yet.

Davadin

starkerealm wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

... "and spews poison across the land."

At least they're not vomiting blood... yet.

I'll take blood rather than poison.

Elsonso

Davadin wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

... "and spews poison across the land."

At least they're not vomiting blood... yet.

I'll take blood rather than poison.

No. Poison and disease are both bad, in my eyes. Literally and figuratively. I'd prefer something that doesn't make ME vomit.