Orc nerf coming confirmed!

x48rph

TequilaFire wrote: »

Probably means more nerfs for Bosmers. lol

Yep, that stealth detect is OP

Megatto

Buff Dunmer

max_only

x48rph wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Probably means more nerfs for Bosmers. lol

Yep, that stealth detect is OP

WrathOfInnos

They didn’t specifically say Orc would be nerfed. Maybe Bosmer and Khajiit are getting buffed?

J2JMC

Where is this quote from?

Thorvarg

Why does no one ever use the word "improve", instead of "nerf"? People want to have their own Characters to be improved, always say "nerf the other".That is contraproductive.

Davor

nsmurfer wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Racial balance for Stamina classes could use some improving. Do you plan on addressing this?
Yes, this is planned for a future update.

Don't get too comfortable with your Orc(or for that matter other races). 3rd racial passive change coming soon.

Where did you get "soon" from? Trying to stir up the pot or hyper anxious?

WrathOfInnos

J2JMC wrote: »

Where is this quote from?

@J2JMC The combat Q&A.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/490953/u23-combat-q-a#latest

J2JMC

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

J2JMC wrote: »

Where is this quote from?

@J2JMC The combat Q&A.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/490953/u23-combat-q-a#latest

Thank you

Yellow_Monolith

How about buffing other races to be useful instead of ruining play styles again?

Ozby

bulcke10 wrote: »

Maybe they buff some race and don't nerf others.... We shall see

Hahaha! no really Hahaha! dont be silly lol

MLGProPlayer

They really need to equalize the races, at least by type.

For example, identify 1 magicka DD, 1 stamina DD, and 1 tank race in every alliance, and give each race within the category the same buffs (you can move the races around/come up with different passives, this is just an example):

Mag DD: Breton, Altmer, Dunmer
+2000 magicka, +258 SD

Stam DD: Redguard, Bosmer, Nord
+2000 stamina, +258 WD

Tank: Orc, Khajiit, Argonian, Imperial
+2000 magicka, +2000 stamina, +2000 health

Then just throw in a unique non-combat flavour passive for each race (i.e. faster swim speed, reduced detection radius, etc.).

Ideally, I'd like to see racial passives done away with altogether. They don't align with the lore and how the single player games work. Race should simply be a cosmetic choice. It's fine for a race to start more adept at one thing or another, but all races should be able to fill all roles in the end. But ZOS doesn't seem to like that idea.

Katahdin

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

They really need to equalize the races, at least by type.

For example, identify 1 magicka DD, 1 stamina DD, and 1 tank race in every alliance, and give each race within the category the same buffs (you can move the races around/come up with different passives, this is just an example):

Mag DD: Breton, Altmer, Dunmer
+2000 magicka, +258 SD

Stam DD: Redguard, Bosmer, Nord
+2000 stamina, +258 WD

Tank: Orc, Khajiit, Argonian, Imperial
+2000 magicka, +2000 stamina, +2000 health

Then just throw in a unique non-combat flavour passive for each race (i.e. faster swim speed, reduced detection radius, etc.).

Ideally, I'd like to see racial passives done away with altogether. They don't align with the lore and how the single player games work. Race should simply be a cosmetic choice. It's fine for a race to start more adept at one thing or another, but all races should be able to fill all roles in the end. But ZOS doesn't seem to like that idea.

Sorry but NO. I do not want to see my khajiit relegated to only be tanks and be forced to race change to bosmer to be damage. I'll quit this game and my sub like a hot potato first.

We do not need such a radical change again. Some tweeks maybe but nothing drastic.

BigBragg

I agree with the idea of buffing the underperforming races some, so over the constant nerfing and drastically shifting gameplay.

zaria

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

is there any better way for zos to confirm that they have no clue what they are doing when they have to make balance changes for the balance changes for the balance changes and that within months?

I start to really having a hard time understanding how a game dev can be that *** at their job after 5 years...and its just less and less fun

Its an skill issue, same with not wiping on first trash in Wayrest 1.

MLGProPlayer

Katahdin wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

They really need to equalize the races, at least by type.

For example, identify 1 magicka DD, 1 stamina DD, and 1 tank race in every alliance, and give each race within the category the same buffs (you can move the races around/come up with different passives, this is just an example):

Mag DD: Breton, Altmer, Dunmer
+2000 magicka, +258 SD

Stam DD: Redguard, Bosmer, Nord
+2000 stamina, +258 WD

Tank: Orc, Khajiit, Argonian, Imperial
+2000 magicka, +2000 stamina, +2000 health

Then just throw in a unique non-combat flavour passive for each race (i.e. faster swim speed, reduced detection radius, etc.).

Ideally, I'd like to see racial passives done away with altogether. They don't align with the lore and how the single player games work. Race should simply be a cosmetic choice. It's fine for a race to start more adept at one thing or another, but all races should be able to fill all roles in the end. But ZOS doesn't seem to like that idea.

Sorry but NO. I do not want to see my khajiit relegated to only be tanks and be forced to race change to bosmer to be damage. I'll quit this game and my sub like a hot potato first.

We do not need such a radical change again. Some tweeks maybe but nothing drastic.

That was just an example. I said you can swap the races around. You can make Bosmer the tank race since no one uses them for DPS right now (or anything really since the stealth nerf). Hell, you don't even need a tank race in each faction, but I thought it would make sense for RP/PvP loyalty purposes (some people like to play a specific alliance only).

But again, my optimal solution would be to get rid of racial passives altogether and shift to the system they use in the single player TES games (where any race can train up to become optimal in any role). For example, a Redguard will start with stamina passives, but you can still level up magicka passives if you want to play as a magicka DD.

Girl_Number8

BigBragg wrote: »

I agree with the idea of buffing the underperforming races some, so over the constant nerfing and drastically shifting gameplay.

Yes, I would agree with this. As there has been way too much nerfing of late. No one even gives anything a chance to settle before asking for nerfs.

All these constant nerf threads are honestly ruining this game.

UntilValhalla13

The title is kind of jumping the gun a tad, unless the op is telepathic or something. I didn't see the word ORC anywhere in that statement. If anything, they'll probably just homogenize the racials even further.

Runkorko

As long ZoS provide race change tokens i dont mind racial changes.
Most/ if not all of us, pick a race because of specific build/ inluding racials.
So we spend time leveling /sp gathering/ sets farm+ upgrade, and in the end ZoS come from nowhere and s.it on all we done, only to please some crying babyes, which will start cry about something esle, right after the changes?!
Nope, is not the right way. Some minor changes, sure. Bur racial rework only if they provide race change tokens.
(and no, i dont have any orc in my account)

MLGProPlayer

UntilValhalla13 wrote: »

The title is kind of jumping the gun a tad, unless the op is telepathic or something. I didn't see the word ORC anywhere in that statement. If anything, they'll probably just homogenize the racials even further.

Orc is the most grossly overperforming race at the moment. No other race even comes close in terms of stamina DPS output.

Runkorko

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

UntilValhalla13 wrote: »

The title is kind of jumping the gun a tad, unless the op is telepathic or something. I didn't see the word ORC anywhere in that statement. If anything, they'll probably just homogenize the racials even further.

Orc is the most grossly overperforming race at the moment. No other race even comes close in terms of stamina DPS output.

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ChunkyCat

Perhaps they’re going to buff Orc instead of nerf it.

Willard

Nerfs = the real End-Game Boss Fight!

DrowElfMorwen

Races should definitely be more empowered, not less. I wanna feel like a hero XD

MLGProPlayer

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

UntilValhalla13 wrote: »

The title is kind of jumping the gun a tad, unless the op is telepathic or something. I didn't see the word ORC anywhere in that statement. If anything, they'll probably just homogenize the racials even further.

Orc is the most grossly overperforming race at the moment. No other race even comes close in terms of stamina DPS output.

top KEK

Find me one serious endgame player who isn't using Orc on their stamina DD. There is like a 2-3k DPS gap between Orc and Redguard/Bosmer.

Runkorko

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

UntilValhalla13 wrote: »

The title is kind of jumping the gun a tad, unless the op is telepathic or something. I didn't see the word ORC anywhere in that statement. If anything, they'll probably just homogenize the racials even further.

Orc is the most grossly overperforming race at the moment. No other race even comes close in terms of stamina DPS output.

top KEK

Find me one serious endgame player who isn't using Orc on their stamina DD. There is like a 2-3k DPS gap between Orc and Redguard/Bosmer.

Orc is great in pvp, but in pve isnt top dps race. I dont need to "find" you. Neither i do min maxing.
But there are lots of such players guides, and orc isnt on top.
Wont mention sustain races like wood elf and redguard.
But tell me how this :

Rank III - Unlocked at Orsimer (Orc) 30
Increases your Max Stamina by 2000.
Rank III - Unlocked at Orsimer (Orc) 50
Increases your weapon damage by 258

and this "

Rank III - Unlocked at Dunmer (Dark Elf) 30
Increases Max Magicka and Max Stamina by 1875
Rank III - Unlocked at Dunmer (Dark Elf) 50
Increases your Weapon and Spell Damage by 258

can have 3k dps gap?
since when 125 stamina give 3k dps ?

Dunmer is top dpc race /both magica and stamina builds/
Every min/maxer know it.
I see no reason why ppl want orc nerfed so badly.

and about the gap betwen bosmer/red guard/ EVEN if is true stil afect VERY small % even of the endagmers.
because ppl are hardly so precise with their rotation.
and how 2k dps diference may lead to nerf ?
its like " hey you do 2k less dps today, we kick you from main grp for a week, go back to dumy and practice..."
like cmoon...

MLGProPlayer

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Neither i do min maxing.

And yet you're arguing about racial balance...

But tell me how this :

Rank III - Unlocked at Orsimer (Orc) 30
Increases your Max Stamina by 2000.
Rank III - Unlocked at Orsimer (Orc) 50
Increases your weapon damage by 258

and this "

Rank III - Unlocked at Dunmer (Dark Elf) 30
Increases Max Magicka and Max Stamina by 1875
Rank III - Unlocked at Dunmer (Dark Elf) 50
Increases your Weapon and Spell Damage by 258

can have 3k dps gap?
since when 125 stamina give 3k dps ?

Dunmer is top dpc race /both magica and stamina builds/
Every min/maxer know it.
I see no reason why ppl want orc nerfed so badly.

You're ignoring the fact that Orcs recieve +1000 max health as well. This lets them use sustain food without having to put attribute points into health or wear gear that boosts health. This increases the DPS gap. Dunmer need to put additional attribute points into health, or wear set pieces that boost health.

They wouldn't be nearly as overtuned without the health passive.

Amira

The OP should get banned for posting fake Zos news.

It was never confirmed officially Orcs would be nerfed.

Runkorko

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Neither i do min maxing.

And yet you're arguing about racial balance...

But tell me how this :

Rank III - Unlocked at Orsimer (Orc) 30
Increases your Max Stamina by 2000.
Rank III - Unlocked at Orsimer (Orc) 50
Increases your weapon damage by 258

and this "

Rank III - Unlocked at Dunmer (Dark Elf) 30
Increases Max Magicka and Max Stamina by 1875
Rank III - Unlocked at Dunmer (Dark Elf) 50
Increases your Weapon and Spell Damage by 258

can have 3k dps gap?
since when 125 stamina give 3k dps ?

Dunmer is top dpc race /both magica and stamina builds/
Every min/maxer know it.
I see no reason why ppl want orc nerfed so badly.

You're ignoring the fact that Orcs recieve +1000 max health as well. This lets them use sustain food without having to put attributes into health or wear gear that boosts health. This increases their damage even further.

Even if i dont min/max my game skills are way more honed than yours/ and i dont say it to shine or smth.
I min max long enough to know that 2k diference is nothing, even if you are in progresing grp.
About 1k HP diference, is MEH and you know it.
Seoncdary resource like dunmer magica is way more importand than 1k hp (as dps, and even as tank)
Same with1h HP compared to wood elf/red guard sustain passives.
We speak about dps not about survival, so please dont try to convice me how big diference 1k HP means ..

MLGProPlayer

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Neither i do min maxing.

And yet you're arguing about racial balance...

But tell me how this :

Rank III - Unlocked at Orsimer (Orc) 30
Increases your Max Stamina by 2000.
Rank III - Unlocked at Orsimer (Orc) 50
Increases your weapon damage by 258

and this "

Rank III - Unlocked at Dunmer (Dark Elf) 30
Increases Max Magicka and Max Stamina by 1875
Rank III - Unlocked at Dunmer (Dark Elf) 50
Increases your Weapon and Spell Damage by 258

can have 3k dps gap?
since when 125 stamina give 3k dps ?

Dunmer is top dpc race /both magica and stamina builds/
Every min/maxer know it.
I see no reason why ppl want orc nerfed so badly.

You're ignoring the fact that Orcs recieve +1000 max health as well. This lets them use sustain food without having to put attributes into health or wear gear that boosts health. This increases their damage even further.

Even if i dont min/max my game skills are way more honed than yours/ and i dont say it to shine or smth.
I min max long enough to know that 2k diference is nothing, even if you are in progresing grp.
About 1k HP diference, is MEH and you know it.
Seoncdary resource like dunmer magica is way more importand than 1k hp (as dps, and even as tank)
Same with1h HP compared to wood elf/red guard sustain passives.
We speak about dps not about survival, so please dont try to convice me how big diference 1k HP means ..

You do realize that you need a minimum amount of health to run endgame content, right? If you don't have that health, as in the case of Dunmer, you need to obtain it by putting extra attribute points into health or wearing set pieces that give health or eating food that gives health (at the expense of sustain). Orcs don't need to make these build tradeoffs.

Rather than saying "I am a master of the game", maybe you should try arguing an actual point.