Orc nerf coming confirmed!

Holycannoli

nsmurfer wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Racial balance for Stamina classes could use some improving. Do you plan on addressing this?
Yes, this is planned for a future update.

Don't get too comfortable with your Orc(or for that matter other races). 3rd racial passive change coming soon.

It could just as easily mean buffs for Imperial. You know, that race you have to pay for separately that isn't worth using.

Runkorko

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Neither i do min maxing.

And yet you're arguing about racial balance...

But tell me how this :

Rank III - Unlocked at Orsimer (Orc) 30
Increases your Max Stamina by 2000.
Rank III - Unlocked at Orsimer (Orc) 50
Increases your weapon damage by 258

and this "

Rank III - Unlocked at Dunmer (Dark Elf) 30
Increases Max Magicka and Max Stamina by 1875
Rank III - Unlocked at Dunmer (Dark Elf) 50
Increases your Weapon and Spell Damage by 258

can have 3k dps gap?
since when 125 stamina give 3k dps ?

Dunmer is top dpc race /both magica and stamina builds/
Every min/maxer know it.
I see no reason why ppl want orc nerfed so badly.

You're ignoring the fact that Orcs recieve +1000 max health as well. This lets them use sustain food without having to put attributes into health or wear gear that boosts health. This increases their damage even further.

Even if i dont min/max my game skills are way more honed than yours/ and i dont say it to shine or smth.
I min max long enough to know that 2k diference is nothing, even if you are in progresing grp.
About 1k HP diference, is MEH and you know it.
Seoncdary resource like dunmer magica is way more importand than 1k hp (as dps, and even as tank)
Same with1h HP compared to wood elf/red guard sustain passives.
We speak about dps not about survival, so please dont try to convice me how big diference 1k HP means ..

That fact that you are arguing that off-resource is more important than max health for a DD tells me everything I need to know about your "honed" your skill is.

Yes i do stay behind my worlds, that 2k magica is more importand than 1k HP, on STAMINA dps build.
(dont read it as 20k magica is more importand than 10k HP/ just to be sure your brain wont take this direction)
The fact you use only stam cost skills on stam build tells even more.
Dont mind me. There are lots of ppl who are "proven" end game min maxers. Go argue with them. I`m sure there are plenty of guides in youtube, explaining the importance of the resources.

But again, how 2k dps diference can make ppl CRY for a nerf?

And dont twist my words
I dont say "im master of the game"
I just say that my skills are more honed than yours.
If you cant see the diference, its your poroblem.
And why not rerol orc and use his OPines ? Instead of supporting the nerf march?
Gear is account bound you know. And you will look prety also

Bobby_V_Rockit

Nerf nightblades! HUZZAH!

MLGProPlayer

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Neither i do min maxing.

And yet you're arguing about racial balance...

But tell me how this :

Rank III - Unlocked at Orsimer (Orc) 30
Increases your Max Stamina by 2000.
Rank III - Unlocked at Orsimer (Orc) 50
Increases your weapon damage by 258

and this "

Rank III - Unlocked at Dunmer (Dark Elf) 30
Increases Max Magicka and Max Stamina by 1875
Rank III - Unlocked at Dunmer (Dark Elf) 50
Increases your Weapon and Spell Damage by 258

can have 3k dps gap?
since when 125 stamina give 3k dps ?

Dunmer is top dpc race /both magica and stamina builds/
Every min/maxer know it.
I see no reason why ppl want orc nerfed so badly.

You're ignoring the fact that Orcs recieve +1000 max health as well. This lets them use sustain food without having to put attributes into health or wear gear that boosts health. This increases their damage even further.

Even if i dont min/max my game skills are way more honed than yours/ and i dont say it to shine or smth.
I min max long enough to know that 2k diference is nothing, even if you are in progresing grp.
About 1k HP diference, is MEH and you know it.
Seoncdary resource like dunmer magica is way more importand than 1k hp (as dps, and even as tank)
Same with1h HP compared to wood elf/red guard sustain passives.
We speak about dps not about survival, so please dont try to convice me how big diference 1k HP means ..

That fact that you are arguing that off-resource is more important than max health for a DD tells me everything I need to know about your "honed" your skill is.

Yes i do stay behind my worlds, that 2k magica is more importand than 1k HP, on STAMINA dps build.
(dont read it as 20k magica is more importand than 10k HP/ just to be sure your brain wont take this direction)
The fact you use only stam cost skills on stam build tells even more.
Dont mind me. There are lots of ppl who are "proven" end game min maxers. Go argue with them. I`m sure there are plenty of guides in youtube, explaining the importance of the resources.

But again, how 2k dps diference can make ppl CRY for a nerf?

2-3k DPS difference is massive. Why would anyone use Redguard or Bosmer, other than for RP?

At least with Altmer/Dunmer and Breton, there is somewhat of a tradeoff. You use Breton without False God's, you use Altmer/Dunmer with False God's. But even in cases where you are using the opposite race, the DPS difference is still <1k.

There is no scenario in which Redguard/Bosmer can come close to Orc DPS output.

Runkorko

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

2-3k DPS difference is massive. Otherwise, why would anyone use Redguard or Bosmer, other than for RP?

So you just say that all endgamers are ORCS.

And all redguards and bosmers are RP ?:)

We done talkning m8
Good luck with your silly elitism.

MLGProPlayer

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

2-3k DPS difference is massive. Otherwise, why would anyone use Redguard or Bosmer, other than for RP?

So you just say that all endgamers are ORCS.

And all redguards and bosmers are RP ?:)

We done talkning m8
Good luck with your silly elitism.

Wanting the races to be balanced =/= elitism. In fact, it's the opposite of elitism. I don't want people to be punished for their racial choices.

Rikumaru

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Neither i do min maxing.

And yet you're arguing about racial balance...

But tell me how this :

Rank III - Unlocked at Orsimer (Orc) 30
Increases your Max Stamina by 2000.
Rank III - Unlocked at Orsimer (Orc) 50
Increases your weapon damage by 258

and this "

Rank III - Unlocked at Dunmer (Dark Elf) 30
Increases Max Magicka and Max Stamina by 1875
Rank III - Unlocked at Dunmer (Dark Elf) 50
Increases your Weapon and Spell Damage by 258

can have 3k dps gap?
since when 125 stamina give 3k dps ?

Dunmer is top dpc race /both magica and stamina builds/
Every min/maxer know it.
I see no reason why ppl want orc nerfed so badly.

You're ignoring the fact that Orcs recieve +1000 max health as well. This lets them use sustain food without having to put attributes into health or wear gear that boosts health. This increases their damage even further.

Even if i dont min/max my game skills are way more honed than yours/ and i dont say it to shine or smth.
I min max long enough to know that 2k diference is nothing, even if you are in progresing grp.
About 1k HP diference, is MEH and you know it.
Seoncdary resource like dunmer magica is way more importand than 1k hp (as dps, and even as tank)
Same with1h HP compared to wood elf/red guard sustain passives.
We speak about dps not about survival, so please dont try to convice me how big diference 1k HP means ..

That fact that you are arguing that off-resource is more important than max health for a DD tells me everything I need to know about your "honed" your skill is.

Yes i do stay behind my worlds, that 2k magica is more importand than 1k HP, on STAMINA dps build.
(dont read it as 20k magica is more importand than 10k HP/ just to be sure your brain wont take this direction)
The fact you use only stam cost skills on stam build tells even more.
Dont mind me. There are lots of ppl who are "proven" end game min maxers. Go argue with them. I`m sure there are plenty of guides in youtube, explaining the importance of the resources.

But again, how 2k dps diference can make ppl CRY for a nerf?

2-3k DPS difference is massive. Why would anyone use Redguard or Bosmer, other than for RP?

At least with Altmer/Dunmer and Breton, there is somewhat of a tradeoff. You use Breton without False God's, you use Altmer/Dunmer with False God's. But even in cases where you are using the opposite race, the DPS difference is still <1k.

There is no scenario in which Redguard/Bosmer can come close to Orc DPS output.

They would use it for PvP. Can't speak for PvE but in PvP the races are actually pretty damn diverse and useful depending on which class and build you use. Wood elf is particularly good and underrated imo (not because of the detect distance).

karekiz

Sooooo

Who here wonders if they will give out a racial change token

Bobby_V_Rockit

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Neither i do min maxing.

And yet you're arguing about racial balance...

But tell me how this :

Rank III - Unlocked at Orsimer (Orc) 30
Increases your Max Stamina by 2000.
Rank III - Unlocked at Orsimer (Orc) 50
Increases your weapon damage by 258

and this "

Rank III - Unlocked at Dunmer (Dark Elf) 30
Increases Max Magicka and Max Stamina by 1875
Rank III - Unlocked at Dunmer (Dark Elf) 50
Increases your Weapon and Spell Damage by 258

can have 3k dps gap?
since when 125 stamina give 3k dps ?

Dunmer is top dpc race /both magica and stamina builds/
Every min/maxer know it.
I see no reason why ppl want orc nerfed so badly.

You're ignoring the fact that Orcs recieve +1000 max health as well. This lets them use sustain food without having to put attributes into health or wear gear that boosts health. This increases their damage even further.

Even if i dont min/max my game skills are way more honed than yours/ and i dont say it to shine or smth.
I min max long enough to know that 2k diference is nothing, even if you are in progresing grp.
About 1k HP diference, is MEH and you know it.
Seoncdary resource like dunmer magica is way more importand than 1k hp (as dps, and even as tank)
Same with1h HP compared to wood elf/red guard sustain passives.
We speak about dps not about survival, so please dont try to convice me how big diference 1k HP means ..

That fact that you are arguing that off-resource is more important than max health for a DD tells me everything I need to know about your "honed" your skill is.

Yes i do stay behind my worlds, that 2k magica is more importand than 1k HP, on STAMINA dps build.
(dont read it as 20k magica is more importand than 10k HP/ just to be sure your brain wont take this direction)
The fact you use only stam cost skills on stam build tells even more.
Dont mind me. There are lots of ppl who are "proven" end game min maxers. Go argue with them. I`m sure there are plenty of guides in youtube, explaining the importance of the resources.

But again, how 2k dps diference can make ppl CRY for a nerf?

2-3k DPS difference is massive. Why would anyone use Redguard or Bosmer, other than for RP?

At least with Altmer/Dunmer and Breton, there is somewhat of a tradeoff. You use Breton without False God's, you use Altmer/Dunmer with False God's. But even in cases where you are using the opposite race, the DPS difference is still <1k.

There is no scenario in which Redguard/Bosmer can come close to Orc DPS output.

But orcs are icky

Vapirko

Keep in mind the last time they mentioned orcs directly they said they were happy with where they were.

eso_lags

nsmurfer wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Racial balance for Stamina classes could use some improving. Do you plan on addressing this?
Yes, this is planned for a future update.

Don't get too comfortable with your Orc(or for that matter other races). 3rd racial passive change coming soon.

when and where is that from?

StrandedMonkey

Can't nerf orc without nerfing dark elf just saying.

ccfeeling

Oh no , I just used my race change token !!

karekiz

Vapirko wrote: »

Keep in mind the last time they mentioned orcs directly they said they were happy with where they were.

Yeah but think of how many Stam Necro's there are now. Thats a lot of race change tokens if they decide that "its small enough that it doesn't warrent a change token".

If I were them I would do it.

Bobby_V_Rockit

So you’re saying I should use my last token to make my khajiitimancer a orc?

MLGProPlayer

StrandedMonkey wrote: »

Can't nerf orc without nerfing dark elf just saying.

Sure you can. Take away their +1000 health. Either just leave them with 300 health regen, or give them 200 magicka regen (the opposite of Altmer's stamina regen).

Deathlord92

Tryxus wrote: »

Banana wrote: »

Dont be touchin me breton. She be angry

#BretonMasterRace

Yes Breton 4 life 😎

Deathlord92

All I want is to pick or morph racial passives Breton stamblade for life day 1 😎

Mr_Walker

Orcs to lose health buffs but gain poison immunity? Or the amazing ability to see things really really good if they crouch?

Vapirko

StrandedMonkey wrote: »

Can't nerf orc without nerfing dark elf just saying.

That’s kind of like apples and oranges. Dark Elf makes sense for hybrid builds or as a race that can go to either spec. Altmer is closer to the Orc counter part I think.

Still, I can’t believe people are making such a stink about Orcs being top DPS. Imo it’s just the people who were happy with Redguards being the clear choice for years. And now that players who went Orc the whole time are getting their moment in the sun these DPS junkies can’t deal with it because they don’t like how Orcs look. And as I’ve always said, I doubt that 80% of people complaining about it are even capable of squeezing out that few percent dps difference. Almost positive it’s more the case of people blaming their dps shortcomings on not being the BiS race. They think if a “balance” pass is done then somehow they’ll magically be better by comparison or their own race will get buffed.

Idk how people can get it through their heads that race barely matters unless you’re part of the world first progression runners. It’s laughable how much people think it’s gonna make a difference. I was just watching Kristopher on stream and he’s playing his Bosmer as a magicka templar and recking face with it in PvP. Meanwhile all the forum warriors are screaming about how racial balance is unfair to their meager dps benchmarks.

MLGProPlayer

Vapirko wrote: »

StrandedMonkey wrote: »

Can't nerf orc without nerfing dark elf just saying.

That’s kind of like apples and oranges. Dark Elf makes sense for hybrid builds or as a race that can go to either spec. Altmer is closer to the Orc counter part I think.

Still, I can’t believe people are making such a stink about Orcs being top DPS. Imo it’s just the people who were happy with Redguards being the clear choice for years. And now that players who went Orc the whole time are getting their moment in the sun these DPS junkies can’t deal with it because they don’t like how Orcs look. And as I’ve always said, I doubt that 80% of people complaining about it are even capable of squeezing out that few percent dps difference. Almost positive it’s more the case of people blaming their dps shortcomings on not being the BiS race. They think if a “balance” pass is done then somehow they’ll magically be better by comparison or their own race will get buffed.

The differences in racial performance are present at every skill level.

A bad Orc will still outparse a bad Redguard.

The difference is most problematic for middling players who are on the edge of minimum DPS targets. Let's say someone is parsing 43k on a Redguard or Bosmer and needs to hit 45k to be accepted into a specific progression guild. They can keep practising their rotation indefinitely until they can hit 45k, or they can race change to Orc and get in immediately.

And now that players who went Orc the whole time are getting their moment in the sun these DPS junkies can’t deal with it because they don’t like how Orcs look.

This is petty. We shouldn't have to go through multi-year periods where one race dominates the rest. Just because someone wants to see the races balanced, it doesn't mean they hate Orcs. Achieving racial balance would objectively make the game better for everyone.

Vapirko

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

StrandedMonkey wrote: »

Can't nerf orc without nerfing dark elf just saying.

That’s kind of like apples and oranges. Dark Elf makes sense for hybrid builds or as a race that can go to either spec. Altmer is closer to the Orc counter part I think.

Still, I can’t believe people are making such a stink about Orcs being top DPS. Imo it’s just the people who were happy with Redguards being the clear choice for years. And now that players who went Orc the whole time are getting their moment in the sun these DPS junkies can’t deal with it because they don’t like how Orcs look. And as I’ve always said, I doubt that 80% of people complaining about it are even capable of squeezing out that few percent dps difference. Almost positive it’s more the case of people blaming their dps shortcomings on not being the BiS race. They think if a “balance” pass is done then somehow they’ll magically be better by comparison or their own race will get buffed.

The differences in racial performance are present at every skill level.

A bad Orc will still outparse a bad Redguard.

The difference is most problematic for middling players who are on the edge of minimum DPS targets. Let's say someone is parsing 43k on a Redguard or Bosmer and needs to hit 45k to be accepted into a specific progression guild. They can keep practising their rotation indefinitely until they can hit 45k, or they can race change to Orc and get in immediately.

And now that players who went Orc the whole time are getting their moment in the sun these DPS junkies can’t deal with it because they don’t like how Orcs look.

This is petty. We shouldn't have to go through multi-year periods where one race dominates the rest. Just because someone wants to see the races balanced, it doesn't mean they hate Orcs. Achieving racial balance would objectively make the game better for everyone.

You mean kinda how redguards have been BiS for years? I guarantee that if Redguards has stayed top dps and were in the position that orcs are in now, the complaints would be greatly reduced or non existent. People are more upset that the meta was shaken up than with the fact that one race is a few percent higher.

Runefang

Sounds good, I don't want the ugliest race to be the best.

Vapirko

Runefang wrote: »

Sounds good, I don't want the ugliest race to be the best.

@MLGProPlayer I rest my case

SydneyGrey

Wouldn't mind if they buffed some races to make things more equal, but of course that's not usually how it works around here. .......

When is Elder Scrolls 6 coming out? The nice thing about single player is NO NERFS.

MLGProPlayer

Vapirko wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

StrandedMonkey wrote: »

Can't nerf orc without nerfing dark elf just saying.

That’s kind of like apples and oranges. Dark Elf makes sense for hybrid builds or as a race that can go to either spec. Altmer is closer to the Orc counter part I think.

Still, I can’t believe people are making such a stink about Orcs being top DPS. Imo it’s just the people who were happy with Redguards being the clear choice for years. And now that players who went Orc the whole time are getting their moment in the sun these DPS junkies can’t deal with it because they don’t like how Orcs look. And as I’ve always said, I doubt that 80% of people complaining about it are even capable of squeezing out that few percent dps difference. Almost positive it’s more the case of people blaming their dps shortcomings on not being the BiS race. They think if a “balance” pass is done then somehow they’ll magically be better by comparison or their own race will get buffed.

The differences in racial performance are present at every skill level.

A bad Orc will still outparse a bad Redguard.

The difference is most problematic for middling players who are on the edge of minimum DPS targets. Let's say someone is parsing 43k on a Redguard or Bosmer and needs to hit 45k to be accepted into a specific progression guild. They can keep practising their rotation indefinitely until they can hit 45k, or they can race change to Orc and get in immediately.

And now that players who went Orc the whole time are getting their moment in the sun these DPS junkies can’t deal with it because they don’t like how Orcs look.

This is petty. We shouldn't have to go through multi-year periods where one race dominates the rest. Just because someone wants to see the races balanced, it doesn't mean they hate Orcs. Achieving racial balance would objectively make the game better for everyone.

You mean kinda how redguards have been BiS for years? I guarantee that if Redguards has stayed top dps and were in the position that orcs are in now, the complaints would be greatly reduced or non existent. People are more upset that the meta was shaken up than with the fact that one race is a few percent higher.

People used to complain about Redguard being overtuned all time. They're one of the least popular TES races (they always finish near the bottom in "what's your favourite TES race" polls).

Again, having one race dominate sucks for the game as it limits character customization options for players. It doesn't matter if it's Redguard or Orc.

Perhaps complaints are louder this time because ZOS set out to improve racial balance with these changes, but instead just reshuffled the meta.

Gilvoth

nafensoriel wrote: »

Sooo... Nerf sorc?

thats a step forward in the right direction.

Gilvoth

Muzzick wrote: »

Just buff the other races instead of nerfing orc

exactly
well said

ZarkingFrued

This is the point where they make Imperial best in slot for every build. That way they profit off of the recent race changes, sell imperial upgrades to anyone lacking it, as well as take in the cash on more race change tokens. I bought 5 through gifting, 5 more?

BattleAxe

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

UntilValhalla13 wrote: »

The title is kind of jumping the gun a tad, unless the op is telepathic or something. I didn't see the word ORC anywhere in that statement. If anything, they'll probably just homogenize the racials even further.

Orc is the most grossly overperforming race at the moment. No other race even comes close in terms of stamina DPS output.

top KEK

Find me one serious endgame player who isn't using Orc on their stamina DD. There is like a 2-3k DPS gap between Orc and Redguard/Bosmer.

Where are you pulling these numbers from the dps difference is at most 2 k between top race and races with no stam buffs same as mag. How about if orc is so overperforming ask for other races to be brought up to orc instead of needing one races. Last racial balance pass brought races the closest they have ever been to balance with a few minor pain points in some races bosmer in particular. Even if it’s 2-3k which usually is player error as there is absolutely no true way to truly and fairly test each race. Dps if you want damage altmer, orc, and dunmer sustain Breton, redguard, bosmer, and khajit.

@runkorkoeb17_ESO
I wouldn’t argue with MLG in other posts he has pretty much shown he wants one race in particular to be the master race and hands down best overall.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Neither i do min maxing.

And yet you're arguing about racial balance...

But tell me how this :

Rank III - Unlocked at Orsimer (Orc) 30
Increases your Max Stamina by 2000.
Rank III - Unlocked at Orsimer (Orc) 50
Increases your weapon damage by 258

and this "

Rank III - Unlocked at Dunmer (Dark Elf) 30
Increases Max Magicka and Max Stamina by 1875
Rank III - Unlocked at Dunmer (Dark Elf) 50
Increases your Weapon and Spell Damage by 258

can have 3k dps gap?
since when 125 stamina give 3k dps ?

Dunmer is top dpc race /both magica and stamina builds/
Every min/maxer know it.
I see no reason why ppl want orc nerfed so badly.

You're ignoring the fact that Orcs recieve +1000 max health as well. This lets them use sustain food without having to put attributes into health or wear gear that boosts health. This increases their damage even further.

Even if i dont min/max my game skills are way more honed than yours/ and i dont say it to shine or smth.
I min max long enough to know that 2k diference is nothing, even if you are in progresing grp.
About 1k HP diference, is MEH and you know it.
Seoncdary resource like dunmer magica is way more importand than 1k hp (as dps, and even as tank)
Same with1h HP compared to wood elf/red guard sustain passives.
We speak about dps not about survival, so please dont try to convice me how big diference 1k HP means ..

You do realize that you need a minimum amount of health to run endgame content, right? If you don't have that health, as in the case of Dunmer, you need to obtain it by putting extra attribute points into health or wearing set pieces that give health or eating food that gives health (at the expense of sustain). Orcs don't need to make these build tradeoffs.

Rather than saying "I am a master of the game", maybe you should try arguing an actual point.

You realize one health enchant on armor closes that health gap not a set bonus or using max health and resource food as you falsely claim.

Fun fact it doesn’t matter if ur 40k or 103k dps depending on dummy u parse on a dead dps is negative dps as another dps must come Rez you.

Also I main a Nord dk tank before I’m accused of having a stake in orc in particular. I’m here defending orc simply because calling for one sub group to be nerfed instead of asking for others to be buffed is getting very old. Awe my nightblades dies before I can get in range of sorc so nerf sorc or nightblade kills me before I know what happened so nerf nightblade. This constant my class my race isn’t the hands down best so nerf the others instead of championing for your class race to be buffed is why we are currently at where we are at in the game.