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Orc nerf coming confirmed!
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »2-3k DPS difference is massive. Why would anyone use Redguard or Bosmer, other than for RP?
There is no scenario in which Redguard/Bosmer can come close to Orc DPS output.
Well for sustain you would run Dubious drink or Artaeum food on an Orc.
Run Max stat food on Redguard and Bosmer and the DPS difference isn't that much tbh not at all...
2-3k isn't massive for people that aren't min-maxing tbh, only those going for score runs, which is a very small slice of the community, you know it's not just RP purposes that people might roll other races, maybe they would just get bored of having all Orc, or all characters of the meta race for their build, I don't know about anyone else but that's just f-ing boring xD
its always massive, because it makes difference. people of all skill levels will always be competing against each other. Someone doing more dps because they picked different race is always going to be dumber and feel worse than because they got their gear gold, they did their vma, they are more skilled and even just because they picked current 'better at dps' class.
Class or race?
Stop with this ... elitism.
Every aspect in EsO can be done with 30k dps on ANY race.
They got their gear gold ? Even my notyetborn son can got his gear gold ............
Since when gold is a criteria ?
The point of the post you quoted was that people should do more damage because they have better gear, or because they're more skilled. Not because they picked a stronger race (which should be a cosmetic choice).2 -
Runkorko✭✭✭✭✭
✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »2-3k DPS difference is massive. Why would anyone use Redguard or Bosmer, other than for RP?
There is no scenario in which Redguard/Bosmer can come close to Orc DPS output.
Well for sustain you would run Dubious drink or Artaeum food on an Orc.
Run Max stat food on Redguard and Bosmer and the DPS difference isn't that much tbh not at all...
2-3k isn't massive for people that aren't min-maxing tbh, only those going for score runs, which is a very small slice of the community, you know it's not just RP purposes that people might roll other races, maybe they would just get bored of having all Orc, or all characters of the meta race for their build, I don't know about anyone else but that's just f-ing boring xD
its always massive, because it makes difference. people of all skill levels will always be competing against each other. Someone doing more dps because they picked different race is always going to be dumber and feel worse than because they got their gear gold, they did their vma, they are more skilled and even just because they picked current 'better at dps' class.
Class or race?
Stop with this ... elitism.
Every aspect in EsO can be done with 30k dps on ANY race.
They got their gear gold ? Even my notyetborn son can got his gear gold ............
Since when gold is a criteria ?
The point of the post you quoted was that people should do more damage because they have better gear, or because they're more skilled. Not because they picked a stronger race (which should be a cosmetic choice).
Race was never been cosmetic choise. The fact you think this say enough...
All your silly small 2k dps diference problem come from one thing.
You all follow builds. Alcast malcast whatever one. And this builds perforn better ob specific race, WHICH doesnt mean that there is no builds which can push redguard or bosmer 2k ahead. or atleast equal to orc.
So mr MLG Pro Players, use your brain. If you cant, tell/pay Alcast and i`m sure he will create a build which can allow your NON orc race to stay proud, shoulder to shoulder with the "OP" races in the game.
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JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »2-3k DPS difference is massive. Why would anyone use Redguard or Bosmer, other than for RP?
There is no scenario in which Redguard/Bosmer can come close to Orc DPS output.
Well for sustain you would run Dubious drink or Artaeum food on an Orc.
Run Max stat food on Redguard and Bosmer and the DPS difference isn't that much tbh not at all...
2-3k isn't massive for people that aren't min-maxing tbh, only those going for score runs, which is a very small slice of the community, you know it's not just RP purposes that people might roll other races, maybe they would just get bored of having all Orc, or all characters of the meta race for their build, I don't know about anyone else but that's just f-ing boring xD
its always massive, because it makes difference. people of all skill levels will always be competing against each other. Someone doing more dps because they picked different race is always going to be dumber and feel worse than because they got their gear gold, they did their vma, they are more skilled and even just because they picked current 'better at dps' class.
Class or race?
Stop with this ... elitism.
Every aspect in EsO can be done with 30k dps on ANY race.
They got their gear gold ? Even my notyetborn son can got his gear gold ............
Since when gold is a criteria ?
The point of the post you quoted was that people should do more damage because they have better gear, or because they're more skilled. Not because they picked a stronger race (which should be a cosmetic choice).
Race was never been cosmetic choise. The fact you think this say enough...
All your silly small 2k dps diference problem come from one thing.
You all follow builds. Alcast malcast whatever one. And this builds perforn better ob specific race, WHICH doesnt mean that there is no builds which can push redguard or bosmer 2k ahead. or atleast equal to orc.
So mr MLG Pro Players, use your brain. If you cant, tell/pay Alcast and i`m sure he will create a build which can allow your NON orc race to stay proud, shoulder to shoulder with the "OP" races in the game.
In the single player games, at endgame, race is essentially cosmetic. Race rwally only mattered in the beginning/middle games1 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »You all follow builds. Alcast malcast whatever one. And this builds perforn better ob specific race, WHICH doesnt mean that there is no builds which can push redguard or bosmer 2k ahead. or atleast equal to orc.
Please share those builds.
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Runkorko✭✭✭✭✭
✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »You all follow builds. Alcast malcast whatever one. And this builds perforn better ob specific race, WHICH doesnt mean that there is no builds which can push redguard or bosmer 2k ahead. or atleast equal to orc.
Please share those builds.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »So mr MLG Pro Player use your brain. If you cant, tell/pay Alcast and i`m sure >>>HE<<< will create a build which can allow your NON orc race to stay proud, shoulder to shoulder with the "OP" races in the game.
Edited by Runkorko on August 28, 2019 4:20AM0 -
GraphicArtistYT✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Racial balance for Stamina classes could use some improving. Do you plan on addressing this?
Yes, this is planned for a future update.
Don't get too comfortable with your Orc(or for that matter other races). 3rd racial passive change coming soon.
Lol they buff and nerf the same stuff and call it "updates"2 -
BattleAxe✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Neither i do min maxing.
And yet you're arguing about racial balance...But tell me how this :
Rank III - Unlocked at Orsimer (Orc) 30
Increases your Max Stamina by 2000.
Rank III - Unlocked at Orsimer (Orc) 50
Increases your weapon damage by 258
and this "
Rank III - Unlocked at Dunmer (Dark Elf) 30
Increases Max Magicka and Max Stamina by 1875
Rank III - Unlocked at Dunmer (Dark Elf) 50
Increases your Weapon and Spell Damage by 258
can have 3k dps gap?
since when 125 stamina give 3k dps ?
Dunmer is top dpc race /both magica and stamina builds/
Every min/maxer know it.
I see no reason why ppl want orc nerfed so badly.
You're ignoring the fact that Orcs recieve +1000 max health as well. This lets them use sustain food without having to put attributes into health or wear gear that boosts health. This increases their damage even further.
Even if i dont min/max my game skills are way more honed than yours/ and i dont say it to shine or smth.
I min max long enough to know that 2k diference is nothing, even if you are in progresing grp.
About 1k HP diference, is MEH and you know it.
Seoncdary resource like dunmer magica is way more importand than 1k hp (as dps, and even as tank)
Same with1h HP compared to wood elf/red guard sustain passives.
We speak about dps not about survival, so please dont try to convice me how big diference 1k HP means ..
Its only shows that u dont have any exp from rly end-game content. Orcs 1k health is so OP , they only need to run 18 health points instead 25+ (and max stam / stam regen food) compare to other races, what that mean? Its 1k + stamina so instead 2k from racial they offer 3k +. Also 1k stamina is around 600-1k dps difference. At the end orcs have a healing passiv which let them using less often vigor (i was a redguard then i changed to orc and there is a difference).
Yes 1k health is so op considering how many 1 shot mechanics are in the game. Funniest thing is everyone calling orcs 1k health passive op fails to even suggest a truly viable replacement for the passive.MLGProPlayer wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »2-3k DPS difference is massive. Why would anyone use Redguard or Bosmer, other than for RP?
There is no scenario in which Redguard/Bosmer can come close to Orc DPS output.
Well for sustain you would run Dubious drink or Artaeum food on an Orc.
Run Max stat food on Redguard and Bosmer and the DPS difference isn't that much tbh not at all...
2-3k isn't massive for people that aren't min-maxing tbh, only those going for score runs, which is a very small slice of the community, you know it's not just RP purposes that people might roll other races, maybe they would just get bored of having all Orc, or all characters of the meta race for their build, I don't know about anyone else but that's just f-ing boring xD
its always massive, because it makes difference. people of all skill levels will always be competing against each other. Someone doing more dps because they picked different race is always going to be dumber and feel worse than because they got their gear gold, they did their vma, they are more skilled and even just because they picked current 'better at dps' class.
Class or race?
Stop with this ... elitism.
Every aspect in EsO can be done with 30k dps on ANY race.
They got their gear gold ? Even my notyetborn son can got his gear gold ............
Since when gold is a criteria ?
The point of the post you quoted was that people should do more damage because they have better gear, or because they're more skilled. Not because they picked a stronger race (which should be a cosmetic choice).
A skilled player using a Nord will do better than a non skilled player using an orc. At the end of the day regardless of race chosen skill and gear trumps race. That is an undeniable fact0 -
Naftal✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »2-3k DPS difference is massive. Why would anyone use Redguard or Bosmer, other than for RP?
There is no scenario in which Redguard/Bosmer can come close to Orc DPS output.
Well for sustain you would run Dubious drink or Artaeum food on an Orc.
Run Max stat food on Redguard and Bosmer and the DPS difference isn't that much tbh not at all...
2-3k isn't massive for people that aren't min-maxing tbh, only those going for score runs, which is a very small slice of the community, you know it's not just RP purposes that people might roll other races, maybe they would just get bored of having all Orc, or all characters of the meta race for their build, I don't know about anyone else but that's just f-ing boring xD
its always massive, because it makes difference. people of all skill levels will always be competing against each other. Someone doing more dps because they picked different race is always going to be dumber and feel worse than because they got their gear gold, they did their vma, they are more skilled and even just because they picked current 'better at dps' class.
Class or race?
Stop with this ... elitism.
Every aspect in EsO can be done with 30k dps on ANY race.
They got their gear gold ? Even my notyetborn son can got his gear gold ............
Since when gold is a criteria ?
The point of the post you quoted was that people should do more damage because they have better gear, or because they're more skilled. Not because they picked a stronger race (which should be a cosmetic choice).
Race was never been cosmetic choise. The fact you think this say enough...
All your silly small 2k dps diference problem come from one thing.
You all follow builds. Alcast malcast whatever one. And this builds perforn better ob specific race, WHICH doesnt mean that there is no builds which can push redguard or bosmer 2k ahead. or atleast equal to orc.
So mr MLG Pro Players, use your brain. If you cant, tell/pay Alcast and i`m sure he will create a build which can allow your NON orc race to stay proud, shoulder to shoulder with the "OP" races in the game.
You do understand that between races, everything else is the same, right? So it's pretty easy to determine which class has the best passives for dealing damage for example. It's not like you can magically get the same numbers by changing gear and skills around with worse passives from another race.1 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »You all follow builds. Alcast malcast whatever one. And this builds perforn better ob specific race, WHICH doesnt mean that there is no builds which can push redguard or bosmer 2k ahead. or atleast equal to orc.
Please share those builds.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »So mr MLG Pro Player use your brain. If you cant, tell/pay Alcast and i`m sure >>>HE<<< will create a build which can allow your NON orc race to stay proud, shoulder to shoulder with the "OP" races in the game.
I didn't ask for Alcast to make a build. I asked you, since you said these builds exist.5 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭A skilled player using a Nord will do better than a non skilled player using an orc. At the end of the day regardless of race chosen skill and gear trumps race. That is an undeniable fact
That's not how you compare things. You control for skill.
When you compare two players of equal skill, then the player using the Orc will do more damage than the player using the Nord.Edited by MLGProPlayer on August 28, 2019 5:38AM3 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Neither i do min maxing.
And yet you're arguing about racial balance...But tell me how this :
Rank III - Unlocked at Orsimer (Orc) 30
Increases your Max Stamina by 2000.
Rank III - Unlocked at Orsimer (Orc) 50
Increases your weapon damage by 258
and this "
Rank III - Unlocked at Dunmer (Dark Elf) 30
Increases Max Magicka and Max Stamina by 1875
Rank III - Unlocked at Dunmer (Dark Elf) 50
Increases your Weapon and Spell Damage by 258
can have 3k dps gap?
since when 125 stamina give 3k dps ?
Dunmer is top dpc race /both magica and stamina builds/
Every min/maxer know it.
I see no reason why ppl want orc nerfed so badly.
You're ignoring the fact that Orcs recieve +1000 max health as well. This lets them use sustain food without having to put attributes into health or wear gear that boosts health. This increases their damage even further.
Even if i dont min/max my game skills are way more honed than yours/ and i dont say it to shine or smth.
I min max long enough to know that 2k diference is nothing, even if you are in progresing grp.
About 1k HP diference, is MEH and you know it.
Seoncdary resource like dunmer magica is way more importand than 1k hp (as dps, and even as tank)
Same with1h HP compared to wood elf/red guard sustain passives.
We speak about dps not about survival, so please dont try to convice me how big diference 1k HP means ..
Its only shows that u dont have any exp from rly end-game content. Orcs 1k health is so OP , they only need to run 18 health points instead 25+ (and max stam / stam regen food) compare to other races, what that mean? Its 1k + stamina so instead 2k from racial they offer 3k +. Also 1k stamina is around 600-1k dps difference. At the end orcs have a healing passiv which let them using less often vigor (i was a redguard then i changed to orc and there is a difference).
Yes 1k health is so op considering how many 1 shot mechanics are in the game. Funniest thing is everyone calling orcs 1k health passive op fails to even suggest a truly viable replacement for the passive.MLGProPlayer wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »2-3k DPS difference is massive. Why would anyone use Redguard or Bosmer, other than for RP?
There is no scenario in which Redguard/Bosmer can come close to Orc DPS output.
Well for sustain you would run Dubious drink or Artaeum food on an Orc.
Run Max stat food on Redguard and Bosmer and the DPS difference isn't that much tbh not at all...
2-3k isn't massive for people that aren't min-maxing tbh, only those going for score runs, which is a very small slice of the community, you know it's not just RP purposes that people might roll other races, maybe they would just get bored of having all Orc, or all characters of the meta race for their build, I don't know about anyone else but that's just f-ing boring xD
its always massive, because it makes difference. people of all skill levels will always be competing against each other. Someone doing more dps because they picked different race is always going to be dumber and feel worse than because they got their gear gold, they did their vma, they are more skilled and even just because they picked current 'better at dps' class.
Class or race?
Stop with this ... elitism.
Every aspect in EsO can be done with 30k dps on ANY race.
They got their gear gold ? Even my notyetborn son can got his gear gold ............
Since when gold is a criteria ?
The point of the post you quoted was that people should do more damage because they have better gear, or because they're more skilled. Not because they picked a stronger race (which should be a cosmetic choice).
A skilled player using a Nord will do better than a non skilled player using an orc. At the end of the day regardless of race chosen skill and gear trumps race. That is an undeniable fact
A ) Not every mechanic is a one shot mechanic. There is fire and other AOEs in trials. That extra 1k of health is not trivial. If someone is doing AS +2 they want the extra health.
B ) A skilled player dpsing on an orc will out dps an equally skilled player on a nord.
That is the issue.
Your skilled vs unskilled is a nonsensical argument. Should we debate what race does better with a skilled player vs someone who is disconnected next?2 -
Runkorko✭✭✭✭✭
✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »You all follow builds. Alcast malcast whatever one. And this builds perforn better ob specific race, WHICH doesnt mean that there is no builds which can push redguard or bosmer 2k ahead. or atleast equal to orc.
Please share those builds.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »So mr MLG Pro Player use your brain. If you cant, tell/pay Alcast and i`m sure >>>HE<<< will create a build which can allow your NON orc race to stay proud, shoulder to shoulder with the "OP" races in the game.
I didn't ask for Alcast to make a build. I asked you, since you said these builds exist.
Why you are here? To argue with everyone , twisting their words? If yes, sure.
I didnt say i have such build, i dont, because i dont care 2-3k dps gap. I said tha Alcast can make you one if you ask him polite. It may be a chalage for him, but i`m sure he will menage. And will prove your silly elitism wrong.
And you are PRO gamer right ? What that means? Copy, paste, use, complain, over other players builds ?
Make yours. Make it work. Or change your nickMLGProPlayer wrote: »
When you compare two players of equal skill, then the player using the Orc will do more damage than the player using the Nord.
And one using dunmer will do more than a orc.
What then ? Nerf dark elfs ? This is your next ? (if zos nerf orcs)
If youhad pvp copy of you, he will probably complain about his orc taking more dmg in pvp compared to nord...
Some ppl are never pleasedEdited by Runkorko on August 28, 2019 5:52AM0 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »You all follow builds. Alcast malcast whatever one. And this builds perforn better ob specific race, WHICH doesnt mean that there is no builds which can push redguard or bosmer 2k ahead. or atleast equal to orc.
Please share those builds.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »So mr MLG Pro Player use your brain. If you cant, tell/pay Alcast and i`m sure >>>HE<<< will create a build which can allow your NON orc race to stay proud, shoulder to shoulder with the "OP" races in the game.
I didn't ask for Alcast to make a build. I asked you, since you said these builds exist.
Why you are here? To argue with everyone , twisting their words? If yes, sure.
I didnt say i have such build, i dont, because i dont care 2-3k dps gap. I said tha Alcast can make you one if you ask him polite. It may be a chalage for him, but i`m sure he will menage. And will prove your silly elitism wrong.
And you are PRO gamer right ? What that means? Copy, paste, use, complain, over other players builds ?
Make yours. Make it work. Or change your nick
I'm not arguing with Alcast. I'm arguing with you. You are the one making these claims.
Either back up your claims or don't make them.Edited by MLGProPlayer on August 28, 2019 5:52AM3 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »And one using dunmer will do more than a orc.
What then ? Nerf dark elfs ? This is your next ? (if zos nerf orcs)
Race A:
- 2000 stamina
- 258 weapon damage
- 1000 health
Race B:
- 1875 stamina
- 258 weapon damage
You're going to need to explain to me how race B does more damage than race A.Edited by MLGProPlayer on August 28, 2019 5:54AM4 -
Runkorko✭✭✭✭✭
✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »You all follow builds. Alcast malcast whatever one. And this builds perforn better ob specific race, WHICH doesnt mean that there is no builds which can push redguard or bosmer 2k ahead. or atleast equal to orc.
Please share those builds.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »So mr MLG Pro Player use your brain. If you cant, tell/pay Alcast and i`m sure >>>HE<<< will create a build which can allow your NON orc race to stay proud, shoulder to shoulder with the "OP" races in the game.
I didn't ask for Alcast to make a build. I asked you, since you said these builds exist.
Why you are here? To argue with everyone , twisting their words? If yes, sure.
I didnt say i have such build, i dont, because i dont care 2-3k dps gap. I said tha Alcast can make you one if you ask him polite. It may be a chalage for him, but i`m sure he will menage. And will prove your silly elitism wrong.
And you are PRO gamer right ? What that means? Copy, paste, use, complain, over other players builds ?
Make yours. Make it work. Or change your nick
I'm not arguing with Alcast. I'm arguing with you. You are the one making these claims.
Either back up your claims or don't make them.
Dude, your mind is strage
Done talking with youMLGProPlayer wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »And one using dunmer will do more than a orc.
What then ? Nerf dark elfs ? This is your next ? (if zos nerf orcs)
Race A:
- 2000 stamina
- 258 weapon damage
- 1000 health
Race B:
- 1875 stamina
- 258 weapon damage
You're going to need to explain to me how race B does more damage than race A.
And btw this is Alcast statement. Ask him.
Wont bother to find a video for you, or to try to explain you (again) the importance of secondary resources.
Read again "done talking"
Gl on builds/ post meta if you find it.Edited by Runkorko on August 28, 2019 5:59AM0 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »You all follow builds. Alcast malcast whatever one. And this builds perforn better ob specific race, WHICH doesnt mean that there is no builds which can push redguard or bosmer 2k ahead. or atleast equal to orc.
Please share those builds.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »So mr MLG Pro Player use your brain. If you cant, tell/pay Alcast and i`m sure >>>HE<<< will create a build which can allow your NON orc race to stay proud, shoulder to shoulder with the "OP" races in the game.
I didn't ask for Alcast to make a build. I asked you, since you said these builds exist.
Why you are here? To argue with everyone , twisting their words? If yes, sure.
I didnt say i have such build, i dont, because i dont care 2-3k dps gap. I said tha Alcast can make you one if you ask him polite. It may be a chalage for him, but i`m sure he will menage. And will prove your silly elitism wrong.
And you are PRO gamer right ? What that means? Copy, paste, use, complain, over other players builds ?
Make yours. Make it work. Or change your nick
I'm not arguing with Alcast. I'm arguing with you. You are the one making these claims.
Either back up your claims or don't make them.
Dude, your mind is strage
Done talking with youMLGProPlayer wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »And one using dunmer will do more than a orc.
What then ? Nerf dark elfs ? This is your next ? (if zos nerf orcs)
Race A:
- 2000 stamina
- 258 weapon damage
- 1000 health
Race B:
- 1875 stamina
- 258 weapon damage
You're going to need to explain to me how race B does more damage than race A.
And btw this is Alcast statement. Ask him.
Wont bother to find a video for you, or to try to explain you (again) the importance of secondary resources.
Read again "done talking"
Gl on builds/ post meta if you find it.
You keep saying that Alcast will prove me wrong and that I should talk to him. But I don't want to talk to Alcast. I want you to explain your arguments to me because Alcast isn't the one making these arguments. YOU are.Edited by MLGProPlayer on August 28, 2019 11:30AM5 -
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Sindri al'Atreyu | Wood Elf Templar
Eivii | Wood Elf Nightblade
Saurmia | High Elf Magicka Templar
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SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »2-3k DPS difference is massive. Why would anyone use Redguard or Bosmer, other than for RP?
There is no scenario in which Redguard/Bosmer can come close to Orc DPS output.
Well for sustain you would run Dubious drink or Artaeum food on an Orc.
Run Max stat food on Redguard and Bosmer and the DPS difference isn't that much tbh not at all...
2-3k isn't massive for people that aren't min-maxing tbh, only those going for score runs, which is a very small slice of the community, you know it's not just RP purposes that people might roll other races, maybe they would just get bored of having all Orc, or all characters of the meta race for their build, I don't know about anyone else but that's just f-ing boring xD
its always massive, because it makes difference. people of all skill levels will always be competing against each other. Someone doing more dps because they picked different race is always going to be dumber and feel worse than because they got their gear gold, they did their vma, they are more skilled and even just because they picked current 'better at dps' class.
Class or race?
Stop with this ... elitism.
Every aspect in EsO can be done with 30k dps on ANY race.
They got their gear gold ? Even my notyetborn son can got his gear gold ............
Since when gold is a criteria ?
The point of the post you quoted was that people should do more damage because they have better gear, or because they're more skilled. Not because they picked a stronger race (which should be a cosmetic choice).
Race was never been cosmetic choise. The fact you think this say enough...
All your silly small 2k dps diference problem come from one thing.
You all follow builds. Alcast malcast whatever one. And this builds perforn better ob specific race, WHICH doesnt mean that there is no builds which can push redguard or bosmer 2k ahead. or atleast equal to orc.
So mr MLG Pro Players, use your brain. If you cant, tell/pay Alcast and i`m sure he will create a build which can allow your NON orc race to stay proud, shoulder to shoulder with the "OP" races in the game.
Ouch, such ignorance hurt my eyes.
Just thinking you can make build that puts objectively weaker race on par or ahead of objectively stronger shows following alcast builds is probably top of your thinking and that passing grade from math in high school was probably undeserved.
This game is nothing more than equations full of additions and multiplications under pretty animations. Starting with stronger number is always going to make the result stronger, orcs are stronger number. The end.Edited by SodanTok on August 28, 2019 12:04PM4 -
Lylith✭✭✭✭✭
✭GraphicArtistYT wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Racial balance for Stamina classes could use some improving. Do you plan on addressing this?
Yes, this is planned for a future update.
Don't get too comfortable with your Orc(or for that matter other races). 3rd racial passive change coming soon.
Lol they buff and nerf the same stuff and call it "updates"
absolutely spot on.
it would be funny if it wasn't so increasingly hare-brained and aggravating.
nothing really gets improved, it just gets the nerf hammer and something else becomes the meta until the cycle completes again, regularly punctuated -ofc- with the occasional pay-for new class and all the attendant bells and whistles and howls of 'ptw!'
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Lylith✭✭✭✭✭
✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »2-3k DPS difference is massive. Why would anyone use Redguard or Bosmer, other than for RP?
There is no scenario in which Redguard/Bosmer can come close to Orc DPS output.
Well for sustain you would run Dubious drink or Artaeum food on an Orc.
Run Max stat food on Redguard and Bosmer and the DPS difference isn't that much tbh not at all...
2-3k isn't massive for people that aren't min-maxing tbh, only those going for score runs, which is a very small slice of the community, you know it's not just RP purposes that people might roll other races, maybe they would just get bored of having all Orc, or all characters of the meta race for their build, I don't know about anyone else but that's just f-ing boring xD
its always massive, because it makes difference. people of all skill levels will always be competing against each other. Someone doing more dps because they picked different race is always going to be dumber and feel worse than because they got their gear gold, they did their vma, they are more skilled and even just because they picked current 'better at dps' class.
Class or race?
Stop with this ... elitism.
Every aspect in EsO can be done with 30k dps on ANY race.
They got their gear gold ? Even my notyetborn son can got his gear gold ............
Since when gold is a criteria ?
The point of the post you quoted was that people should do more damage because they have better gear, or because they're more skilled. Not because they picked a stronger race (which should be a cosmetic choice).
Race was never been cosmetic choise. The fact you think this say enough...
All your silly small 2k dps diference problem come from one thing.
You all follow builds. Alcast malcast whatever one. And this builds perforn better ob specific race, WHICH doesnt mean that there is no builds which can push redguard or bosmer 2k ahead. or atleast equal to orc.
So mr MLG Pro Players, use your brain. If you cant, tell/pay Alcast and i`m sure he will create a build which can allow your NON orc race to stay proud, shoulder to shoulder with the "OP" races in the game.
Ouch, such ignorance hurt my eyes.
Just thinking you can make build that puts objectively weaker race on par or ahead of objectively stronger shows following alcast builds is probably top of your thinking and that passing grade from math in high school was probably undeserved.
This game is nothing more than equations full of additions and multiplications under pretty animations. Starting with stronger number is always going to make the result stronger, orcs are stronger number. The end.
so let's nerf orcs so some other (my!) race will be on top.
yeah, that's the ticket!
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BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »2-3k DPS difference is massive. Why would anyone use Redguard or Bosmer, other than for RP?
There is no scenario in which Redguard/Bosmer can come close to Orc DPS output.
Well for sustain you would run Dubious drink or Artaeum food on an Orc.
Run Max stat food on Redguard and Bosmer and the DPS difference isn't that much tbh not at all...
2-3k isn't massive for people that aren't min-maxing tbh, only those going for score runs, which is a very small slice of the community, you know it's not just RP purposes that people might roll other races, maybe they would just get bored of having all Orc, or all characters of the meta race for their build, I don't know about anyone else but that's just f-ing boring xD
its always massive, because it makes difference. people of all skill levels will always be competing against each other. Someone doing more dps because they picked different race is always going to be dumber and feel worse than because they got their gear gold, they did their vma, they are more skilled and even just because they picked current 'better at dps' class.
Class or race?
Stop with this ... elitism.
Every aspect in EsO can be done with 30k dps on ANY race.
They got their gear gold ? Even my notyetborn son can got his gear gold ............
Since when gold is a criteria ?
The point of the post you quoted was that people should do more damage because they have better gear, or because they're more skilled. Not because they picked a stronger race (which should be a cosmetic choice).
Race was never been cosmetic choise. The fact you think this say enough...
All your silly small 2k dps diference problem come from one thing.
You all follow builds. Alcast malcast whatever one. And this builds perforn better ob specific race, WHICH doesnt mean that there is no builds which can push redguard or bosmer 2k ahead. or atleast equal to orc.
So mr MLG Pro Players, use your brain. If you cant, tell/pay Alcast and i`m sure he will create a build which can allow your NON orc race to stay proud, shoulder to shoulder with the "OP" races in the game.
Ouch, such ignorance hurt my eyes.
Just thinking you can make build that puts objectively weaker race on par or ahead of objectively stronger shows following alcast builds is probably top of your thinking and that passing grade from math in high school was probably undeserved.
This game is nothing more than equations full of additions and multiplications under pretty animations. Starting with stronger number is always going to make the result stronger, orcs are stronger number. The end.
so let's nerf orcs so some other (my!) race will be on top.
yeah, that's the ticket!
Thats an odd take to get from that quote.1 -
Bobby_V_Rockit✭✭✭✭✭
✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »2-3k DPS difference is massive. Why would anyone use Redguard or Bosmer, other than for RP?
There is no scenario in which Redguard/Bosmer can come close to Orc DPS output.
Well for sustain you would run Dubious drink or Artaeum food on an Orc.
Run Max stat food on Redguard and Bosmer and the DPS difference isn't that much tbh not at all...
2-3k isn't massive for people that aren't min-maxing tbh, only those going for score runs, which is a very small slice of the community, you know it's not just RP purposes that people might roll other races, maybe they would just get bored of having all Orc, or all characters of the meta race for their build, I don't know about anyone else but that's just f-ing boring xD
its always massive, because it makes difference. people of all skill levels will always be competing against each other. Someone doing more dps because they picked different race is always going to be dumber and feel worse than because they got their gear gold, they did their vma, they are more skilled and even just because they picked current 'better at dps' class.
Class or race?
Stop with this ... elitism.
Every aspect in EsO can be done with 30k dps on ANY race.
They got their gear gold ? Even my notyetborn son can got his gear gold ............
Since when gold is a criteria ?
The point of the post you quoted was that people should do more damage because they have better gear, or because they're more skilled. Not because they picked a stronger race (which should be a cosmetic choice).
Race was never been cosmetic choise. The fact you think this say enough...
All your silly small 2k dps diference problem come from one thing.
You all follow builds. Alcast malcast whatever one. And this builds perforn better ob specific race, WHICH doesnt mean that there is no builds which can push redguard or bosmer 2k ahead. or atleast equal to orc.
So mr MLG Pro Players, use your brain. If you cant, tell/pay Alcast and i`m sure he will create a build which can allow your NON orc race to stay proud, shoulder to shoulder with the "OP" races in the game.
Ouch, such ignorance hurt my eyes.
Just thinking you can make build that puts objectively weaker race on par or ahead of objectively stronger shows following alcast builds is probably top of your thinking and that passing grade from math in high school was probably undeserved.
This game is nothing more than equations full of additions and multiplications under pretty animations. Starting with stronger number is always going to make the result stronger, orcs are stronger number. The end.
so let's nerf orcs so some other (my!) race will be on top.
yeah, that's the ticket!
Thats an odd take to get from that quote.
It’s true though, nerfing anything just makes something else the next best thing and so on1 -
Runkorko✭✭✭✭✭
✭MLGProPlayer, there are races for everything.
I dont care your opinion or regrets that orc do more dmg than others.
You choose your race righ ? Stick with it.
"but but, they did racial changes"
BUT BUT you got race change token right ? Why didnt change ?
Healing races, tankish, pvp, pve, role play. There is race for everyone.
Do orc is locked for you ? No. Ok make one and show us your OPines then. Stop cry in forums like slaped kid... Btw how old are you ?This game is nothing more than equations full of additions and multiplications under pretty animations. Starting with stronger number is always going to make the result stronger, orcs are stronger number. The end.
Yes orc have same dmg bonus and 125 more stamina than Dunmer Very stronK diference.
Do you and MLGProPlayer make extra accounts so you can both like your commnets more than once ?:)
After each changes on racials, ZoS must add diapers to name/race change tokens .
Seems kids cant stand such pressure ...
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DarkPicture✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer, there are races for everything.
I dont care your opinion or regrets that orc do more dmg than others.
You choose your race righ ? Stick with it.
"but but, they did racial changes"
BUT BUT you got race change token right ? Why didnt change ?
Healing races, tankish, pvp, pve, role play. There is race for everyone.
Do orc is locked for you ? No. Ok make one and show us your OPines then. Stop cry in forums like slaped kid... Btw how old are you ?This game is nothing more than equations full of additions and multiplications under pretty animations. Starting with stronger number is always going to make the result stronger, orcs are stronger number. The end.
Yes orc have same dmg bonus and 125 more stamina than Dunmer Very stronK diference.
Do you and MLGProPlayer make extra accounts so you can both like your commnets more than once ?:)
After each changes on racials, ZoS must add diapers to name/race change tokens .
Seems kids cant stand such pressure ...
Stop making fun of you, we really understand u dont have knowledge how game works but its enought to reading these ***.1 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer, there are races for everything.
I dont care your opinion or regrets that orc do more dmg than others.
You choose your race righ ? Stick with it.
"but but, they did racial changes"
BUT BUT you got race change token right ? Why didnt change ?
Healing races, tankish, pvp, pve, role play. There is race for everyone.
Do orc is locked for you ? No. Ok make one and show us your OPines then. Stop cry in forums like slaped kid... Btw how old are you ?This game is nothing more than equations full of additions and multiplications under pretty animations. Starting with stronger number is always going to make the result stronger, orcs are stronger number. The end.
Yes orc have same dmg bonus and 125 more stamina than Dunmer Very stronK diference.
Do you and MLGProPlayer make extra accounts so you can both like your commnets more than once ?:)
After each changes on racials, ZoS must add diapers to name/race change tokens .
Seems kids cant stand such pressure ...
So not quite done talking to them yet?
Anyway, Alcast does not have super secret builds for Dunmers and Bosmers that they keep off the website. They don’t have secret builds that they will reveal only upon request, or whatever it is that you have suggested.
For pve stam dps builds, orcs are best without question. They have certain strengths that cannot be overcome.
That is more an issue with how the game is built. There is no catch up mechanisms in ESO. So for example a race that has plus damage baked into their passives will always have that advantage.
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sionIV✭✭✭✭✭I don't know if I should laugh or feel pity for certain individuals after reading five pages of this thread.
I don't know which stamina classes ZOS are talking about, but I feel pretty safe in my deduction.
1. Do ZOS nerf skills/classes/races/items that overperform, or buff the ones that are weak?
- ZOS has a habit of nerfing.
2. Are strong skills/classes/races/items more likely to get nerfed?
- Yes (with a few exceptions like Werewolves).
3. Do orcs have the strongest stamina racials at the moment?
- Yes.
TLDR: If there will be nerfs to certain stamina races (which taking into consideration ZOS history, is almost guaranteed), then Orcs are the most likely to receive those nerfs.
Edited by sionIV on August 28, 2019 1:45PM1 -
Runkorko✭✭✭✭✭
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Stop making fun of you, we really understand u dont have knowledge how game works but its enought to reading these ***.
How my funy nature ofends you ?:)
We ? How many are you in that shalow mind ?
So everyone who is not elitist have no knowleadge about the game ?
Note taken.
Thanks:)Anyway, Alcast does not have super secret builds for Dunmers and Bosmers that they keep off the website. They don’t have secret builds that they will reveal only upon request, or whatever it is that you have suggested.
For pve stam dps builds, orcs are best without question. They have certain strengths that cannot be overcome.
That is more an issue with how the game is built. There is no catch up mechanisms in ESO. So for example a race that has plus damage baked into their passives will always have that advantage.
Where i mention secret builds ? You guys rly like to twist words
All i said was that if Alcast want, he can make build for bosmer or redguard which wont be way behind / numbers wise/ from dunmer or orc. If not even on par.
"done talking" was a sugestion.
Mr Pro Gamer didnt take it.
Wondering how you guys sleep, while know that orc do 2k more dps than other "plebs" racesTLDR: If there will be nerfs to certain stamina races (which taking into consideration ZOS history, is almost guaranteed), then Orcs are the most likely to receive those nerfs.
So no reason to wory and flood forums with tears then.
Just wait for the guaranteed nerf
Edited by Runkorko on August 28, 2019 2:10PM0