[AND AGAIN!] REMOVE PREMADES FROM BATTLEGROUNDS QUEUE!

Jodynn

ChunkyCat wrote: »

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

I'd prefer to see a CP BG return

Can have CP and non-cp both, different queues.

JusticeSouldier

iCaliban wrote: »

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

but let's be civil about it and not compare people who are playing a game with their friends to serial killers, rapists, and all other sorts of deranged human beings.

why we should to not compare?
It's an good way to show how awfull something is.
Comparing, metaphor etc are an instruments to show it.
I'm pretty sure i compared right.
Not matter how uncomfortable this truth is for people who prefer to hide it behind different mind constructions.

You are beyond ridiculous and need to get a life. There is nothing comparable about people playing with friends and so they can win (the point of a game is to win) to people who actively harm others. Premade players dont "enjoy or get off" on pug stomping. Most players dont enjoy that.

Premades are so heavily penalized by wait time that very few exist, so forcing premades to only fight premades will result in ZERO actual games for them. There simply arent enough actual teams to make it work.

I'm a mirror dude. If u don't like it, think why.

BattleAxe

Simplest solution 2 versions of BGs 4v4v4 and 1v1v1 if solo que is so important and premades are so cancerous this solves all problems.

Undefwun

Since we know there won't actual competitive arena's and lets be honest not sure if ESO is really made for that anyway.

As a solo player:
- Queue for solo only games. No cross over with pre-formed groups
- have opt in to group queue.

Anyone grouped (2,3,4) goes into the group queue.
Seems simple. 3s could be iffy, but there will always be single players that will opt in, if you read the thread there is quite a few of these champions right here in the thread.

Solo players can't complain, since either they are only getting other solo players OR they knowingly opted into potentially fighting organised pre-mades.

By grouping before queuing you acknowledge you are ok with facing potentially organised pre-mades, so can't complain.
Yes we all know there is a difference between 'playing with friends" and 'optimised organised pre-mades', but the game can't tell, and we all know you can't trust people to be honest about it. So you group, for matching purposes you are a pre-made.

For those saying 'oh but groups already queue for 40 mins, this is unfair', really? Are you that desperate to roflstomp pugs or actually think that is true?

Under the current system, if you have 4 experienced players grouped it takes that long because the system is slowly casting the net for a match wider and wider until finally after 40 minutes your rating has been lowered SO much you get matched in. And can you honestly say that after waiting 40 minutes, stomping people not prepared to handle your team and being back in queue in under 5 mins is worth it?

But if you have a group only queue (plus the opt in for the solo heroes) the pool is much smaller, you should get matches faster. You might have to fight the same handful of teams/players all night, but at least you should have some better competition.

iCaliban

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

iCaliban wrote: »

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

but let's be civil about it and not compare people who are playing a game with their friends to serial killers, rapists, and all other sorts of deranged human beings.

why we should to not compare?
It's an good way to show how awfull something is.
Comparing, metaphor etc are an instruments to show it.
I'm pretty sure i compared right.
Not matter how uncomfortable this truth is for people who prefer to hide it behind different mind constructions.

You are beyond ridiculous and need to get a life. There is nothing comparable about people playing with friends and so they can win (the point of a game is to win) to people who actively harm others. Premade players dont "enjoy or get off" on pug stomping. Most players dont enjoy that.

Premades are so heavily penalized by wait time that very few exist, so forcing premades to only fight premades will result in ZERO actual games for them. There simply arent enough actual teams to make it work.

I'm a mirror dude. If u don't like it, think why.

Wow. So deep. SMH, teens.

@Undefwun

Why are you so desperate to avoid premades? They arent common at all. Acting like the entire game should be catered around anti social players is not reasonable. This isnt skyrim. BGs are group pvp, and you want to punish players who form their own group? What is the sense in that.

Most of the time, when bad players get smashed and cry pRemAdE!!! Is just the skill gap showing itself. There arent more than half a dozen legit premade groups period in PC/NA bgs.

iCaliban

Shanehere wrote: »

iCaliban wrote: »

Really? Duo is premade to you phoenix? Idk. If you arent in comms coordinating ulti dumps, I think "premade" gets thrown around way too easy. Even when I am in a group and in comms, most of the time its just to BS around and talk with friends.

I agree with this. There's a difference between a group of players in discord coordinating ulti dumps and stacking together in a battleground and a group of players that are joking around in comms and doing their own thing in the BG. There's also just common sense players who are solo queueing and if they notice one of their teammates drop an ult on a group, they drop theres too, making everyone immediately thinks they're a pre made. They all get clumped together to fit the narrative.

This is precisely correct. I was grouped with cries and dels the other day in a bg (both very good stamina players) on my mag sorc. Ive seen both of them drop their DB/shalks combo thousands of times, it doesnt take much too coordinate off them. All 3 of us were solo.

TimeDazzler

I've played more BG matches than everyone that has commented here. This is what I always say:

Instead of a solo queue vs premade queue, it should be competitive queue vs casual queue. In the competitive queue, there are actual BG leaderboards and tiers to climb where you can only queue solo. If you play well your tiers go up and if you play poorly your tiers go down, your tier rank is also visible to everyone in the match and if you are high enough, on the leaderboards. You get better rewards at the end of the month, season, or whatever based on how high you climbed in tiers. Everyone is saying that the premade queue will be dead, but in actuality, this is the queue that will have longer wait times as there are fewer players who actually want to PvP in a competitive environment and be rewarded for it.

If you just want to practice, maybe you are testing a new build or learning a new class, or are simply a casual player, then the casual queue is the exact same as the current queue system. You can queue solo or enter with friends. This queue system will no longer have MMR or a much more lenient MMR system that is intended to get players in matches faster since the environment is much less serious and more for fun.

The new MMR system would be implemented in the competitive queue which tries to match you will players in similar tiers as you and is much less lenient (unlike the casual queue), meaning it takes more time to find matches as it searches longer for players around your skill level.

@ZOS_Gilliam @Gilliamtherogue I see you in BG's all the time and I think even you would like to see this.

Jodynn

Cries wrote: »

I've played more BG matches than everyone that has commented here. This is what I always say:

Instead of a solo queue vs premade queue, it should be competitive queue vs casual queue. In the competitive queue, there are actual BG leaderboards and tiers to climb where you can only queue solo. If you play well your tiers go up and if you play poorly your tiers go down, your tier rank is also visible to everyone in the match and if you are high enough, on the leaderboards. You get better rewards at the end of the month, season, or whatever based on how high you climbed in tiers. Everyone is saying that the premade queue will be dead, but in actuality, this is the queue that will have longer wait times as there are fewer players who actually want to PvP in a competitive environment and be rewarded for it.

If you just want to practice, maybe you are testing a new build or learning a new class, or are simply a casual player, then the casual queue is the exact same as the current queue system. You can queue solo or enter with friends. This queue system will no longer have MMR or a much more lenient MMR system that is intended to get players in matches faster since the environment is much less serious and more for fun.

The new MMR system would be implemented in the competitive queue which tries to match you will players in similar tiers as you and is much less lenient (unlike the casual queue), meaning it takes more time to find matches as it searches longer for players around your skill level.

@ZOS_Gilliam @Gilliamtherogue I see you in BG's all the time and I think even you would like to see this.

Very nice

iCaliban

@Cries

My concern with your suggestion is that premades would simply join the casual queue and pug stomp. This exact system was set up in Destiny 2 and the comp playlist is dead while premades have made casual so toxic that many quit.

And the people who actually want competitive games would never get a match.

Undefwun

iCaliban wrote: »

@Undefwun

Why are you so desperate to avoid premades? They arent common at all. Acting like the entire game should be catered around anti social players is not reasonable. This isnt skyrim. BGs are group pvp, and you want to punish players who form their own group? What is the sense in that.

Most of the time, when bad players get smashed and cry pRemAdE!!! Is just the skill gap showing itself. There arent more than half a dozen legit premade groups period in PC/NA bgs.

How is being matched with 11 other human players anti-social? No one is asking for computer controlled AI opponents.

What is the sense in you and 3 good pvpers friends, going up against 1 average player like myself who already has a 250-300 ping disadvantage and got teamed up with 3 people barely over the gear cap?

No one (or at least I am not) is asking for you and friends to be punished. Matter of fact it's the opposite really.

I want you to have a better game experience, shorter group queues, and where you get to fight people on your level, some actual real fights, some real competition, real pvp fun.

Unless of course you're the kind of person that doesn't actually want good competition and likes to just pug stomp with their group, then calls it a skill gap, in which case you're a flop and I don't really care what you want anymore, but I can't see that being you at all.

iCaliban

Undefwun wrote: »

iCaliban wrote: »

@Undefwun

Why are you so desperate to avoid premades? They arent common at all. Acting like the entire game should be catered around anti social players is not reasonable. This isnt skyrim. BGs are group pvp, and you want to punish players who form their own group? What is the sense in that.

Most of the time, when bad players get smashed and cry pRemAdE!!! Is just the skill gap showing itself. There arent more than half a dozen legit premade groups period in PC/NA bgs.

How is being matched with 11 other human players anti-social? No one is asking for computer controlled AI opponents.

What is the sense in you and 3 good pvpers friends, going up against 1 average player like myself who already has a 250-300 ping disadvantage and got teamed up with 3 people barely over the gear cap?

No one (or at least I am not) is asking for you and friends to be punished. Matter of fact it's the opposite really.

I want you to have a better game experience, shorter group queues, and where you get to fight people on your level, some actual real fights, some real competition, real pvp fun.

Unless of course you're the kind of person that doesn't actually want good competition and likes to just pug stomp with their group, then calls it a skill gap, in which case you're a flop and I don't really care what you want anymore, but I can't see that being you at all.

I dont run premade (4 man) at all unless my guild is running two other teams so we try to set up 4v4v4. I run duo reasonably often. Maybe once a week for a few hours.

I agree to an extent. Pug smashing isnt fun. Frankly, a lot of games are pug stompers even when solo. This is a population issue, or an MMR/true skill issue. For whatever reason, the system is currently incapable of making competitive teams for the most part.

The current system, punishes teams so heavily, that most have quit. I dont even like running duo because of the 10+ minutes it adds on to an already lengthy 10-15 min solo queue.

The current nature of MMR is such that, if you are higher mmr, when a premade is on, you will basically ONLY ever fight that premade. The solution many of us has found, is to just message our friends list, pick up a couple other good players and go beat that preamde. Those fights are 1000x more fun than beating the hell out of cp 150's who dont have a gear set or impen.

My personal belief is that the lack of skilled players and the queue system is much more of a problem than preamdes vs solos. For w/e reason, competitive games are very rare.

TimeDazzler

iCaliban wrote: »

@Cries

My concern with your suggestion is that premades would simply join the casual queue and pug stomp. This exact system was set up in Destiny 2 and the comp playlist is dead while premades have made casual so toxic that many quit.

And the people who actually want competitive games would never get a match.

This is true, you could never truly prevent this from happening unless you want a dead premade only queue. As others have mentioned there aren’t many experienced pvpers who enjoy pug stomping. Many are looking to fight other premades and there simply are none. However, my suggestion does alleviate some issues with premades. For one, solo players casual or competitive could always play in the competitive queue. There will always be players in the lower tier brackets for them to fight against if they don’t want it to be too competitive. Additionally, many of the competitive players that form premades would be entering the competitive solo queue option thus reducing the number of premades in casual.

iCaliban

Cries wrote: »

iCaliban wrote: »

@Cries

My concern with your suggestion is that premades would simply join the casual queue and pug stomp. This exact system was set up in Destiny 2 and the comp playlist is dead while premades have made casual so toxic that many quit.

And the people who actually want competitive games would never get a match.

This is true, you could never truly prevent this from happening unless you want a dead premade only queue. As others have mentioned there aren’t many experienced pvpers who enjoy pug stomping. Many are looking to fight other premades and there simply are none. However, my suggestion does alleviate some issues with premades. For one, solo players casual or competitive could always play in the competitive queue. There will always be players in the lower tier brackets for them to fight against if they don’t want it to be too competitive. Additionally, many of the competitive players that form premades would be entering the competitive solo queue option thus reducing the number of premades in casual.

Right. And at least IMO, the reason there are no other premades is the 45 minute wait time for a match. There is no fun in waiting that long with your friends, just to fight cp 100s and finish the match in 4 minutes.

True, and then when you get to a higher bracket, the same issue would rise up, if you dont have a healer, you get wiped. Solution? Run in a group. Groups smash pugs without a healer, solo players quit, queue is dead. Though, that is a balance issue more than anything.

Im not trying to bring down your idea. I like it. I want fixes to the system as well.

Just my opinion, the only true solution is custom matches. That way we can set up our own fights on the maps we want with who we want. Bypass the waiting game entirely.

A lobby system perhaps?

Undefwun

iCaliban wrote: »

@Cries

My concern with your suggestion is that premades would simply join the casual queue and pug stomp. This exact system was set up in Destiny 2 and the comp playlist is dead while premades have made casual so toxic that many quit.

And the people who actually want competitive games would never get a match.

I totally agree with this...

Unfortunately in game development these days, anything you do, any system and any set needs to consider the lowest denominator in gaming... the troll. Anything you want to put in game, first needs to pass the 'how can this possibly be abused' test.

iCaliban wrote: »

I dont run premade (4 man) at all unless my guild is running two other teams so we try to set up 4v4v4. I run duo reasonably often. Maybe once a week for a few hours.
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I agree to an extent. Pug smashing isnt fun. Frankly, a lot of games are pug stompers even when solo. This is a population issue, or an MMR/true skill issue. For whatever reason, the system is currently incapable of making competitive teams for the most part.

The current system, punishes teams so heavily, that most have quit. I dont even like running duo because of the 10+ minutes it adds on to an already lengthy 10-15 min solo queue.

The current nature of MMR is such that, if you are higher mmr, when a premade is on, you will basically ONLY ever fight that premade. The solution many of us has found, is to just message our friends list, pick up a couple other good players and go beat that preamde. Those fights are 1000x more fun than beating the hell out of cp 150's who dont have a gear set or impen.

My personal belief is that the lack of skilled players and the queue system is much more of a problem than preamdes vs solos. For w/e reason, competitive games are very rare.

Again totally agreed. Current system is horrible.

I solo queue 99% of the time, and not very often is it a competitive game where it doesn't feel lop sided... so i figure let's remove at least the 1 thing that makes it worse, groups...

iCaliban

Undefwun wrote: »

iCaliban wrote: »

@Cries

My concern with your suggestion is that premades would simply join the casual queue and pug stomp. This exact system was set up in Destiny 2 and the comp playlist is dead while premades have made casual so toxic that many quit.

And the people who actually want competitive games would never get a match.

I totally agree with this...

Unfortunately in game development these days, anything you do, any system and any set needs to consider the lowest denominator in gaming... the troll. Anything you want to put in game, first needs to pass the 'how can this possibly be abused' test.

iCaliban wrote: »

I dont run premade (4 man) at all unless my guild is running two other teams so we try to set up 4v4v4. I run duo reasonably often. Maybe once a week for a few hours.
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I agree to an extent. Pug smashing isnt fun. Frankly, a lot of games are pug stompers even when solo. This is a population issue, or an MMR/true skill issue. For whatever reason, the system is currently incapable of making competitive teams for the most part.

The current system, punishes teams so heavily, that most have quit. I dont even like running duo because of the 10+ minutes it adds on to an already lengthy 10-15 min solo queue.

The current nature of MMR is such that, if you are higher mmr, when a premade is on, you will basically ONLY ever fight that premade. The solution many of us has found, is to just message our friends list, pick up a couple other good players and go beat that preamde. Those fights are 1000x more fun than beating the hell out of cp 150's who dont have a gear set or impen.

My personal belief is that the lack of skilled players and the queue system is much more of a problem than preamdes vs solos. For w/e reason, competitive games are very rare.

Again totally agreed. Current system is horrible.

I solo queue 99% of the time, and not very often is it a competitive game where it doesn't feel lop sided... so i figure let's remove at least the 1 thing that makes it worse, groups...

Ironically, I believe the games were less lopsided before they implemented stacking MMR into groups. There were a lot more duos/trios on, so the odds of ending up with good teammates as a solo was better. And it was more fun playing with friends due to the games being actually competitive.

Just my anecdotal experience of a few thousand bgs. YMMV

Idk if its the population or they changed something behind the scenes, but this patch has been very poor in terms of match quality

Red_Feather

In Guild Wars 1 they had random arena and team arena.

Random Arena was what ESO has now for BGs.
Team Arena was premade teams versus premade teams.
They were seperated for a good reason.

If a group in random arena won enough matches they would be bumped to team arena... and usually get stomped first match.

JusticeSouldier

Experiments..
Students coming to professor.
- We lost 35% of plants population this week - what to do?
P: Let's cover them with glowing powder.
Week later
- We lost another 35% of population
P: Lets cut the leafage at the plants
Week later
- We lost all the plants
P: So pity, i had many another excellent ideas

wheem_ESO

BattleAxe wrote: »

Simplest solution 2 versions of BGs 4v4v4 and 1v1v1 if solo que is so important and premades are so cancerous this solves all problems.

That doesn't really solve anything. At all. Have you actually seen anyone asking for a system that queues players into a duel that also happens to have a third wheel around to interfere? It should be fairly obvious that wanting a solo queue doesn't mean you want to be entirely solo at all times. Lots of players solo queue for PvE dungeons, fully aware that other people will be on their team, and the same is true for BGs.

If you want to run a premade team, you should be facing off against other premade teams (I might could make an exception for duos, but even then sometimes it can have too much of an impact IMO). If you don't have a premade team, and join the queue solo, you shouldn't be put into some silly 1v1v1 match - that's just asinine, especially on certain classes or builds that would be downright awful in that situation.

In my opinion, the best solution is still to turn the current system into solo queue only (or *maybe* solo + duo), and add a separate queue for premade-vs-premade games. Ideally, the premade-only queue would have some sort of ranking system that would provide more rewards, and consist of 2 teams instead of 3 (I'd honestly prefer that there were only 2 teams in every match, but I guess it could stay as-is for the "casual" queue).

So if you honestly just wanted to "play with your friends," and not stomp on non-full groups of randoms, you'd actually have three choices: 1) Join the premade-vs-premade queue and see how high you can get your ranking when playing against other teams that you're not automatically advantaged over. 2) All be in the same voice chat while you solo queue and shoot the breeze as you casually play both with and against each other. Or 3) Go to Cyrodiil instead of sucking every ounce of fun out of other people's BG experience.

That second option is something I've done before in the current system, though not lately, and it's a lot more fun and sporting than being all tryhard against not-full teams of solo queued players.

Urzigurumash

I remember discussions about a proper BGs lobby. Maybe that would be the easiest first step to ameliorate this issue. Perhaps Battlemaster Rivyn moves to a nice lounge in Coldharbour or something, and he demands a solo queuer's attendance before he admits them to BGs.

PhoenixGrey

iCaliban wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

iCaliban wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

BattleAxe wrote: »

How exactly do u plan to balance teams after removing premades

You remove MMR. It's that simple

MMR is a joke right now anyway. Having 2 good players on 1 team is sufficient to absolutely devastate the potatoes who end up filling up the high MMR games because there simply arent enough good players to make teams.

Guys, this is an MMO, solo players should not be preferenced over players who play together. Just because you want to run solo in a group game made doesnt mean zos should punish those who play the game the way they intended.

Before all the forum warriors come crying, I play solo or duo 99% of the time.

Duo is still a premade fyi . I have run a mag sorc duo where games were a 2v4v4 for the entire time against really high MMR players and it was pretty manageable.

Btw solo play is intended which is why you can enter cyrodil solo and queue solo for bgs as well.

I didnt say solo wasnt intended. But MMO's pretty expressly focus on getting players to do stuff together.

Really? Duo is premade to you phoenix? Idk. If you arent in comms coordinating ulti dumps, I think "premade" gets thrown around way too easy. Even when I am in a group and in comms, most of the time its just to BS around and talk with friends.

I am just saying they can be as effective as a premade against solo queuers especially when you duo with someone who has a similar playstyle as you.

Obviously won't be able to beat well co-ordinated 4 man premades. I must admit I didnt clarify that well enough

Kidgangster101

Royalthought wrote: »

iCaliban wrote: »

Royalthought wrote: »

I'd support having a separate queue for premades and solo players.

The solo queue would be fast. the premade queue is all that would be slow.

Premades already wait 30-45 minutes for a match. Separating them entirely would just make sure they never got a match. The LAST thing zos should do is punish players for playing together even more than they already do.

NO to the op. Get better. Ive played thousands of battlegrounds, many against premades, stop crying about them.

It should be premades vs premades.

Solo players vs solo players.

If your premade waits 30-45 minutes and end up against solo queue randoms, I feel greater sympathy for the randoms.

You know this is a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE ROLE PLAYING GAME right? If you want to play "solo" or have a "solo" que online games might not be your thing then.

The problem here is you are joining a group activity and are mad because someone took the time to make a group using guild/friends...... You have that option too maybe be smarter about it and use that feature?

Would you complain if you random queed into vet frostvault and had a fake tank and fake healer? You won't beat the content will you?

This whole "I want to play a MASSIVE ONLINE GAME" by myself is what is going to make this worse than call of duty lol. Either get good or make friends your choice.

BattleAxe

wheem_ESO wrote: »

BattleAxe wrote: »

Simplest solution 2 versions of BGs 4v4v4 and 1v1v1 if solo que is so important and premades are so cancerous this solves all problems.

That doesn't really solve anything. At all. Have you actually seen anyone asking for a system that queues players into a duel that also happens to have a third wheel around to interfere? It should be fairly obvious that wanting a solo queue doesn't mean you want to be entirely solo at all times. Lots of players solo queue for PvE dungeons, fully aware that other people will be on their team, and the same is true for BGs.

If you want to run a premade team, you should be facing off against other premade teams (I might could make an exception for duos, but even then sometimes it can have too much of an impact IMO). If you don't have a premade team, and join the queue solo, you shouldn't be put into some silly 1v1v1 match - that's just asinine, especially on certain classes or builds that would be downright awful in that situation.

In my opinion, the best solution is still to turn the current system into solo queue only (or *maybe* solo + duo), and add a separate queue for premade-vs-premade games. Ideally, the premade-only queue would have some sort of ranking system that would provide more rewards, and consist of 2 teams instead of 3 (I'd honestly prefer that there were only 2 teams in every match, but I guess it could stay as-is for the "casual" queue).

So if you honestly just wanted to "play with your friends," and not stomp on non-full groups of randoms, you'd actually have three choices: 1) Join the premade-vs-premade queue and see how high you can get your ranking when playing against other teams that you're not automatically advantaged over. 2) All be in the same voice chat while you solo queue and shoot the breeze as you casually play both with and against each other. Or 3) Go to Cyrodiil instead of sucking every ounce of fun out of other people's BG experience.

That second option is something I've done before in the current system, though not lately, and it's a lot more fun and sporting than being all tryhard against not-full teams of solo queued players.

So 1v1v1 wouldn’t be fun but yet we want to deny teams from queuing for a team based BG aka 4v4v4 if premades are so cancerous the 1v1v1 que would be more populated meaning almost no wait time

wheem_ESO

BattleAxe wrote: »

wheem_ESO wrote: »

BattleAxe wrote: »

Simplest solution 2 versions of BGs 4v4v4 and 1v1v1 if solo que is so important and premades are so cancerous this solves all problems.

That doesn't really solve anything. At all. Have you actually seen anyone asking for a system that queues players into a duel that also happens to have a third wheel around to interfere? It should be fairly obvious that wanting a solo queue doesn't mean you want to be entirely solo at all times. Lots of players solo queue for PvE dungeons, fully aware that other people will be on their team, and the same is true for BGs.

If you want to run a premade team, you should be facing off against other premade teams (I might could make an exception for duos, but even then sometimes it can have too much of an impact IMO). If you don't have a premade team, and join the queue solo, you shouldn't be put into some silly 1v1v1 match - that's just asinine, especially on certain classes or builds that would be downright awful in that situation.

In my opinion, the best solution is still to turn the current system into solo queue only (or *maybe* solo + duo), and add a separate queue for premade-vs-premade games. Ideally, the premade-only queue would have some sort of ranking system that would provide more rewards, and consist of 2 teams instead of 3 (I'd honestly prefer that there were only 2 teams in every match, but I guess it could stay as-is for the "casual" queue).

So if you honestly just wanted to "play with your friends," and not stomp on non-full groups of randoms, you'd actually have three choices: 1) Join the premade-vs-premade queue and see how high you can get your ranking when playing against other teams that you're not automatically advantaged over. 2) All be in the same voice chat while you solo queue and shoot the breeze as you casually play both with and against each other. Or 3) Go to Cyrodiil instead of sucking every ounce of fun out of other people's BG experience.

That second option is something I've done before in the current system, though not lately, and it's a lot more fun and sporting than being all tryhard against not-full teams of solo queued players.

So 1v1v1 wouldn’t be fun but yet we want to deny teams from queuing for a team based BG aka 4v4v4 if premades are so cancerous the 1v1v1 que would be more populated meaning almost no wait time

It wouldn't be populated, because essentially no one wants a 1v1v1 game mode. You're literally the only person I've ever seen suggest such a thing. There have been occasional requests for a "free for all" type game mode, but those players tend to want more than 3 "teams" of 1 person each.

And I have never said teams shouldn't be able to queue at all, I just want premades to be facing off against other premades, and not ruining the solo queue for everyone else. Are you against that? Do you really want to have a large and unfair advantage against your opposition in almost every single game you queue for?

Undefwun

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

You know this is a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE ROLE PLAYING GAME right? If you want to play "solo" or have a "solo" que online games might not be your thing then.

The problem here is you are joining a group activity and are mad because someone took the time to make a group using guild/friends...... You have that option too maybe be smarter about it and use that feature?

Would you complain if you random queed into vet frostvault and had a fake tank and fake healer? You won't beat the content will you?

This whole "I want to play a MASSIVE ONLINE GAME" by myself is what is going to make this worse than call of duty lol. Either get good or make friends your choice.

I don't want to play by myself... i want to play with the 11 other human players being matched from the solo queue...

I don't want to play with you and your group, because it isn't fun to get run over by a group on comms, moving as one, holding hands at all times... focus firing single targets, while being healed. And then queue against you over and over for the next hour.

Unless I chose to make a group myself and then I'll queue in the group queue and that's that.

I don't understand why the choice upsets people... unless YOU don't want to fight real premades either.

And if I random queue for a dungeon I know that I might end up with a rubbish team.
What doesn't happen though, is the content doesn't randomly change from vet to vet hardmode, which what is effectively happens when you queue against a organised premade.

jcm2606

@wheem_ESO Don't bother arguing with this dude, you'll drive yourself insane way before your point gets through to him.

BattleAxe

wheem_ESO wrote: »

BattleAxe wrote: »

wheem_ESO wrote: »

BattleAxe wrote: »

Simplest solution 2 versions of BGs 4v4v4 and 1v1v1 if solo que is so important and premades are so cancerous this solves all problems.

That doesn't really solve anything. At all. Have you actually seen anyone asking for a system that queues players into a duel that also happens to have a third wheel around to interfere? It should be fairly obvious that wanting a solo queue doesn't mean you want to be entirely solo at all times. Lots of players solo queue for PvE dungeons, fully aware that other people will be on their team, and the same is true for BGs.

If you want to run a premade team, you should be facing off against other premade teams (I might could make an exception for duos, but even then sometimes it can have too much of an impact IMO). If you don't have a premade team, and join the queue solo, you shouldn't be put into some silly 1v1v1 match - that's just asinine, especially on certain classes or builds that would be downright awful in that situation.

In my opinion, the best solution is still to turn the current system into solo queue only (or *maybe* solo + duo), and add a separate queue for premade-vs-premade games. Ideally, the premade-only queue would have some sort of ranking system that would provide more rewards, and consist of 2 teams instead of 3 (I'd honestly prefer that there were only 2 teams in every match, but I guess it could stay as-is for the "casual" queue).

So if you honestly just wanted to "play with your friends," and not stomp on non-full groups of randoms, you'd actually have three choices: 1) Join the premade-vs-premade queue and see how high you can get your ranking when playing against other teams that you're not automatically advantaged over. 2) All be in the same voice chat while you solo queue and shoot the breeze as you casually play both with and against each other. Or 3) Go to Cyrodiil instead of sucking every ounce of fun out of other people's BG experience.

That second option is something I've done before in the current system, though not lately, and it's a lot more fun and sporting than being all tryhard against not-full teams of solo queued players.

So 1v1v1 wouldn’t be fun but yet we want to deny teams from queuing for a team based BG aka 4v4v4 if premades are so cancerous the 1v1v1 que would be more populated meaning almost no wait time

It wouldn't be populated, because essentially no one wants a 1v1v1 game mode. You're literally the only person I've ever seen suggest such a thing. There have been occasional requests for a "free for all" type game mode, but those players tend to want more than 3 "teams" of 1 person each.

And I have never said teams shouldn't be able to queue at all, I just want premades to be facing off against other premades, and not ruining the solo queue for everyone else. Are you against that? Do you really want to have a large and unfair advantage against your opposition in almost every single game you queue for?

A premade has the advantage but that doesn’t guarantee a win as was pointed out earlier it isn’t hard to coordinate an ultimate dump and burst also count the fact some of the BG population is purely pve players doing minimal pvp to unlock assault and support skills

BattleAxe

jcm2606 wrote: »

@wheem_ESO Don't bother arguing with this dude, you'll drive yourself insane way before your point gets through to him.

What point is that exactly dude you want to remove groups from group content. Prime example BGs are not just team death match in that case premades are dangerous but you have objective based game modes meaning strategic gameplay. You clearly do not play pvp in many games or you would see that it’s insanity to request removing groups from multiplayer pvp.

Nyladreas

Trenia wrote: »

Premades ruin the experience for eight other players.

Not only that but seeing as these players defend their premades when it already takes over 30-45 minutes primetime to get a game going...

It only proves that VAST MAJORITY of players queue solo into battlegrounds.

And these premades of people ruin not only their fun, take their precious time, but quite often take any joy out of pvp... After which lots of people simply lose more interest in it.

A lot of people don't even play battlegrounds because of all the stupid unfair crap that happens there & premades.

AlboMalefica

I understand your frustration although preventing friends from grouping to play content they've paid for because of said frustration of others would be quite disheartening. Sorry I don't agree with the sentiment.
There does need a focus on BG's though to try and make it a worthwhile experience for the whole player base.

Undefwun

BattleAxe wrote: »

What point is that exactly dude you want to remove groups from group content. Prime example BGs are not just team death match in that case premades are dangerous but you have objective based game modes meaning strategic gameplay. You clearly do not play pvp in many games or you would see that it’s insanity to request removing groups from multiplayer pvp.

*deep breath*

NO ONE WANTS TO REMOVE GROUPS.

JUST SPLIT PRE-MADE GROUPS TO THEIR OWN QUEUE.

THE DAMN KEY WORD IS PRE-MADE NOT GROUP. Try and focus here... PRE-MADE IS THE KEYWORD.

No one is asking for single player and 11 bots BG...

You understand if groups are in their own queue it will go faster right.??

Why do you care so much to be matched against solo queuing players? Scared of other pre-mades? Scared to solo queue with out a pocket healer? or just not grasping the concept.. that solo queue just means 12 random ppl will play together...

I'm done.. i don't have the time or the crayons to explain it to ppl like this...