[AND AGAIN!] REMOVE PREMADES FROM BATTLEGROUNDS QUEUE!

JusticeSouldier

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JusticeSouldier

...Hope we are listened here. Tired to write same many times.
@ZOS_BrianWheeler Remove and create separated queue for premade groups, or Separate premade groups from randomly created groups into 2 queues. Please now, not in 2030.

MrGhosty

iCaliban wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

iCaliban wrote: »

A lobby system perhaps?

Something that I liked about Gw2 PvP was traveling to a "world" where everyone was queuing up. You can of course still queue from anywhere in the game, but this lobby was a place to get everyone together figure out builds, etc.

A lobby system could be a decent avenue for people who want to group up with others, similar to how in Craglorn you have callouts for people to join trials groups.

I also agree that there has to be a better solution out there to minimize the pain put on any one player type/group and it doesn't seem to be there just yet in ESO. To the OP, no matter what sort of comparison you are trying to create to illustrate your point it is extremely disingenuous to compare a video game to real life social ills. It's pointless and makes you seem petty. It makes me sad to see the state of discourse today that if someone isn't doing something exactly how you think it should be done, they're all of sudden evil. We won't all agree about everything, and that's life but we can at least be civil and not compare those who disagree with us to serial killers. It is nice to see some genuine productive back and forth happening from the other commentators. As a bg noob myself, i'm able to see stuff from both sides and feel like I actually come away with a better understanding of the issue.

Kidgangster101

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

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Royalthought wrote: »

iCaliban wrote: »

Royalthought wrote: »

I'd support having a separate queue for premades and solo players.

The solo queue would be fast. the premade queue is all that would be slow.

Premades already wait 30-45 minutes for a match. Separating them entirely would just make sure they never got a match. The LAST thing zos should do is punish players for playing together even more than they already do.

NO to the op. Get better. Ive played thousands of battlegrounds, many against premades, stop crying about them.

It should be premades vs premades.

Solo players vs solo players.

If your premade waits 30-45 minutes and end up against solo queue randoms, I feel greater sympathy for the randoms.

You know this is a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE ROLE PLAYING GAME right? If you want to play "solo" or have a "solo" que online games might not be your thing then.

The problem here is you are joining a group activity and are mad because someone took the time to make a group using guild/friends...... You have that option too maybe be smarter about it and use that feature?

Would you complain if you random queed into vet frostvault and had a fake tank and fake healer? You won't beat the content will you?

This whole "I want to play a MASSIVE ONLINE GAME" by myself is what is going to make this worse than call of duty lol. Either get good or make friends your choice.

You do realize that solo queue doesn’t imply you go in a BG map and play with yourself like you do under the bed sheets every night right? You go in there and play with other players in this “massive online game”.

Bro you must be a child with that type of insult lololol. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

My point still stands but keep up these weak insults. You seem like the type of person that gets stomped out by pugs and think they are all premades just because they do the objective and the smart thing in a warzone and stick together. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

What objective smart thing? Be on voice comms and rotate defensive ults? Hold up let me get my pug group in a discord server really fast before the match starts, and I better hope my pug group has a comp that can counter the two premades in the other two teams. Do you hear how ridiculous you sound?

And I didn’t write any insult in my last post, if you feel like that was one you really need to get out more.

You are drastically overstating how many premade groups there are. The OTHER TEAMS PUGS JUST STICK TOGETHER AMD WORK AS A TEAM.

Have you just considered that you are not that good at PvP if you don't understand a basic concept of STICKING TOGETHER AS A TEAM lol. You don't even needs coms just type in group chat "hey stick together follow me" if your group is smart they follow if not then your probably going to lose. I do it all the time and go 15+-0 or 1 and my team stuck with me we won....... If you don't communicate at start they do their own thing you lose. If you have no healer it is harder (if they didn't keep nerfing healing you would see more healers btw)

And maybe you need to get out more and learn what is going on in the world lol. No one can take what you say seriously you insult me then say you didn't lol. "You do realize that solo que doesn't imply you go in a bg map and play with yourself like you do under the sheets every night" is not an insult? Lolololol you know it was a terrible attempt and now trying to say that's not you insulting lol.

You are prob one of those scrub players that go 1-12 and blame your team or the other team because you want to fail at 1vX. Get better at the game, make friends of pugging is to hard. Not every player is good enough to put a team on their back alone and you.clearly aren't one of those great players or you wouldn't be crying on these forums lolol

Thanks for the essay, couldn’t be bothered to read it but it sure looks good. You unleashed some good emotions in it too, love the caps lock paragraph. Touchy subject? Are you one of those guys who crutches on premades to the point that you get roflstomped without them?

Nah I'm one of those players that do great alone 😁

I'm not showing emotion I'm showing my points that most of the players on this game are gutter trash that think they are good and get mad when they get got, same with pve why do you think nerfs happen Everytime people can't beat it? Guess those npc are way too strong man, can't beat the ai you have no reason you should beat a human just saying lol.

But sure let this change go through so all the 1vX players come in to solo que BG and make a video featuring 8 idiots not able to kill him and then your name gets roasted all over the forums here 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

don't u really understand that the issue is premade vs random groups impact possibility in match?
And when we say premade it isn't just "stucked team".
It's also voice comm and optimized for this team builds.
These teams are extremly easy to recognize (its same faces in a raw of matches at the same group+maximum coordination, momentum reaction) and your "teamwork" will not help to kill even one of good premade.
Please, stop advertise yourself (95% of people with your speech are heroes only on the words...hope u're not one of them but stop please, nobody is interested).
We talk about real premades vs randoms.

But that's the thing real premades are t as many as you think lol. I don't consider myself the top 5% but I can say for certain as a PvP player since PS4 launch that I know what I'm talking about. A lot of people on these forums have no clue how this game works (people still think you can purify minor defile from pirate skeleton lol).

A good premade can be smacked by pugs (why should a group that uses headphones even as pugs be punished because team Joe smoe doesn't want to talk right now.) If you remove actual premades from the equation what will be next? Let's disable voice and text chat because the other team is communicating too much?

Like seriously everyone crying on this matter is just mad they are losing and can't handle they probably are garbage at the game. I que BG solo or sometimes with my wife. Me and my wife alone have taken on 4-8 players by ourselves (shows how many bad players que that a group of 8 can't kill 2) there is no reason 4-8 less experienced players should kill 2 experienced players but again most of this community thinks they should win just because they have more players..........

Why do you think a good group in cyrodil of say 8-10 can beat entire zergs? Because they are better players........ Why do you think we have 1vX or 2vX? Maybe they are better players?

Hence why any type of PvP environment is about skill.... Not gear not a rotation. And coordination is part of skill. Again a group should not be punished because they are willing to talk.

I say hi on chat every single match I que into bg and what do I get in return? Silence..... Again if you don't want to communicate in a group activity that is all you and you deserve to lose 100%.

PS4 explained much. Believe me at PC it's not the same game. And it touches a very huge amount of things in a range between trading and each group content in the game.
Console is much more casual. LIke many times more.
It's visible on streams, and in general - u simply have no important tools for getting enouch ingame information, maths with smaller population etc etc.

Maybe u have there also another situation with premades so u have such opinion, but it's not applicable to PC.

But at PC/EU or PC/NA, giant gap between premade and random group performance is extremly huge problem.
it's visible, it kills bgs population, it encourage abusers.
(ofc people can in a part of cases think wrong that if group is coordinated it's premade, but it's part of cases, current Issue is not about it)

You want to provide proof you guys have a higher population than console players?

And on PC you guys play with training wheels telling you when to use dots and when to cleanse or when to dodge I believe (through add-ons) consoles do not have that.......... I actually think that makes the casual console players better than a lot of PC players that crutch on those tools lol.

i saw statistics. Clear Majority and a basement for every patch.
Each patch first coming PC, than accomodating (with low success should say because of very poor console conditions for MMO) for consoles. That's a proof.
Also I saw many feedbacks.
But main thing isn't that, main is - your experience at PS4 is not applicable for eso system in general because of above described.

Your "...wheels telling you when to use dots...that makes the casual console players better than ..." same funny and far from reality as fairy stories that "users of manual transmission of the car are better of users of automatic one".
Srry that times had gone in a deep past.
Same as in chess computer bits human. 2019.

Main difference for combat at PC - u can see parses with Combat Metrics, compare and precisely improve aspect of your build and rotation. Numbers, % etc.
On console u can just use information which is a product of PC users.
Also, poor UI doesn't provide u like 80% of important combat information.

it's like to drive a car with a lever instead of steering wheel.
Or to check your speed with a sound of wind in windows instead of speedometer.

Link me the statistics that you are more populated on PC

Don't come at me that console can't support more either. PS4 version of ff14 runs with minimal lag, customizable hud so you can adjust everything to your likings. So if another game company can do all that, it is this game company not knowing how to get past their spaghetti code and giving their hampsters a break.

Console gaming is becoming huge now (look at all the e-sports that exists for real life cash and they actually are seen on ESPN using consoles not PC's........)

Epicasballs

Rewards aren't enough for playing in bg's to draw enough of a crowd of premades to separate the ques. I have said since day 1 of bgs there needs to be a separate currency unique to bgs, like tel var, with rewards that are exclusive to that currency. Make the rewards good, really good. Cyrodiil is still more ap if you play in groups and there is nothing unique about farming bgs. It's not worth organized groups time. The few that do make premades are in it for fun not the rewards. But if the juice was worth the squeeze more players would be drawn to bgs. Imagine a currency that you could exchange for gold upgrade mats for example, maybe too good, but bgs would be packed with new premades and solo players alike.

Also, custom matches. Have a system where groups and guilds could challenge each other with no ques. Thank you.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

OwnerOfSuccuby

If they give more points for each member in party - premades will fight only premades for example:

There are peoples with points 1 - bad play / 2 good play / 3 best play.

If you stary search in party you get your value * number of people in party you start search.

So if even 4 best players search party not in group = 3*4 = 12

And premade from 4 bad play people = 4*4 = 16 - so premade will newer fight random players.

Values can change it is only example with bad numbers to show.

Blackleopardex

Oh lol it's you! Called me and my friend "pre-made trash" after we went 2 people together into below 50 BG... Was fun beating you in duels tho
Edit: Seems more like whoever wins is premade..? Don't forget randomly generated groups does not mean balance

Miloscpolski

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

Remove, than think what to do after.
Simplest possible solution.

@ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_JessicaFolsom , @ZOS_BrianWheeler what are u thinking for so many years???
@ZOS_Gilliam u especially, played bgs as a raw player, u saw that from inside...wtf?

This change will give u incredibly huge amount of reputation points.
it's the most valuable pvp improvement u can do at a nearest future.

It becomes impossible to play because of such premades,
sometimes I just stand at the base and wait for the end, this is one of the reasons why I don’t go to bg, u right

JusticeSouldier

Blackleopardex wrote: »

Oh lol it's you! Called me and my friend "pre-made trash" after we went 2 people together into below 50 BG... Was fun beating you in duels tho
Edit: Seems more like whoever wins is premade..? Don't forget randomly generated groups does not mean balance

i died vs u more times in duels. as a necromancer vs petsorc...it was a good window to train necro in duel for me, cause i play it very very rarely and came bgs only for "reward of the day" on that character.
if u didn't understood nothing there, guess it's medicine problem, not my.

But, I called u both trash with a reason, basement of which described in this thread.
U were an good example of premade group seeng nothing bad in enjoy abusing of this hole in system.
"Good friends who like to play together", nothing personal blabla. trash. no competition is a key. u knew what u do.

Premades should be completly removed from the queue.
And then created separated queue especially for premade groups.

BattleAxe

Removing Premades into their own que will not solve anything. If anything this will result in substantially longer que times to find matches for solo and premade alike. Now remove the mmr from players and you have even worse issues of balancing teams has you will have highly skilled players in with rookie players. Is this the intended goal for those pushing so hard for separate ques for solo and premades you want to pug stomp without being concerned of being stomped yourselves. BGs do not have the population on any platform to separate the ques into solo and group if the population was that high this wouldn’t be needed or requested in the first place. As there would be enough people that premades would be matched mostly with premades and solo with solo.

wishlist14

Austinseph1 wrote: »

Make your own? They probably figured it was simple enough to figure it out.

No

wishlist14

I totally support OP

kylermacdb16_ESO

BattleAxe wrote: »

Removing Premades into their own que will not solve anything. If anything this will result in substantially longer que times to find matches for solo and premade alike. Now remove the mmr from players and you have even worse issues of balancing teams has you will have highly skilled players in with rookie players. Is this the intended goal for those pushing so hard for separate ques for solo and premades you want to pug stomp without being concerned of being stomped yourselves. BGs do not have the population on any platform to separate the ques into solo and group if the population was that high this wouldn’t be needed or requested in the first place. As there would be enough people that premades would be matched mostly with premades and solo with solo.

Casuals queuing solo not getting stomped by premades on discord could lead to a growth in population. Casuals wont quit out of frustration and hardcore wont quit out of boredom.

That said, if went down that road, give group matches higher AP gain or something, to give them a reward for now having to put in effort for their wins.

Nordic__Knights

BattleAxe wrote: »

Removing Premades into their own que will not solve anything. If anything this will result in substantially longer que times to find matches for solo and premade alike. Now remove the mmr from players and you have even worse issues of balancing teams has you will have highly skilled players in with rookie players. Is this the intended goal for those pushing so hard for separate ques for solo and premades you want to pug stomp without being concerned of being stomped yourselves. BGs do not have the population on any platform to separate the ques into solo and group if the population was that high this wouldn’t be needed or requested in the first place. As there would be enough people that premades would be matched mostly with premades and solo with solo.

I find that to be very very very untrue I BG every once in awhile so I know whatever my ranking is it is very low and I get placed were I'll have 2 it'll be full teams on both the other sides yes I know how to be BG and yes I'm good at it but the actual doing it no I don't do it because I don't enjoy it I do use it for 1vX practice are assist another strong player if I happened to get one
And I won't talk about the 45-minute wait between matches sometimes ,to get declined ,to wait another 10 and then you get in you and one other guy ,Against full teams! so that dude bounces out !!!! now you have no team:(

Blackleopardex

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

Blackleopardex wrote: »

Oh lol it's you! Called me and my friend "pre-made trash" after we went 2 people together into below 50 BG... Was fun beating you in duels tho
Edit: Seems more like whoever wins is premade..? Don't forget randomly generated groups does not mean balance

i died vs u more times in duels. as a necromancer vs petsorc...it was a good window to train necro in duel for me, cause i play it very very rarely and came bgs only for "reward of the day" on that character.
if u didn't understood nothing there, guess it's medicine problem, not my.

But, I called u both trash with a reason, basement of which described in this thread.
U were an good example of premade group seeng nothing bad in enjoy abusing of this hole in system.
"Good friends who like to play together", nothing personal blabla. trash. no competition is a key. u knew what u do.

Premades should be completly removed from the queue.
And then created separated queue especially for premade groups.

Guess what, I have gotten whispered: "preamde", "premade idiots", "premade tards" many times while I was solo in BG... You are not getting my vote dude.. you are blinding yourself trying to accomplish something you think will solve your bad experience in BG... When the fact of the matter is.... you should start by looking at yourself

JusticeSouldier

Blackleopardex wrote: »

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

Blackleopardex wrote: »

Oh lol it's you! Called me and my friend "pre-made trash" after we went 2 people together into below 50 BG... Was fun beating you in duels tho
Edit: Seems more like whoever wins is premade..? Don't forget randomly generated groups does not mean balance

i died vs u more times in duels. as a necromancer vs petsorc...it was a good window to train necro in duel for me, cause i play it very very rarely and came bgs only for "reward of the day" on that character.
if u didn't understood nothing there, guess it's medicine problem, not my.

But, I called u both trash with a reason, basement of which described in this thread.
U were an good example of premade group seeng nothing bad in enjoy abusing of this hole in system.
"Good friends who like to play together", nothing personal blabla. trash. no competition is a key. u knew what u do.

Premades should be completly removed from the queue.
And then created separated queue especially for premade groups.

Guess what, I have gotten whispered: "preamde", "premade idiots", "premade tards" many times while I was solo in BG... You are not getting my vote dude.. you are blinding yourself trying to accomplish something you think will solve your bad experience in BG... When the fact of the matter is.... you should start by looking at yourself

and u again proved with your words reason why premade groups should be separated.
dude, please use your own advice

Blackleopardex

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

Blackleopardex wrote: »

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

Blackleopardex wrote: »

Oh lol it's you! Called me and my friend "pre-made trash" after we went 2 people together into below 50 BG... Was fun beating you in duels tho
Edit: Seems more like whoever wins is premade..? Don't forget randomly generated groups does not mean balance

i died vs u more times in duels. as a necromancer vs petsorc...it was a good window to train necro in duel for me, cause i play it very very rarely and came bgs only for "reward of the day" on that character.
if u didn't understood nothing there, guess it's medicine problem, not my.

But, I called u both trash with a reason, basement of which described in this thread.
U were an good example of premade group seeng nothing bad in enjoy abusing of this hole in system.
"Good friends who like to play together", nothing personal blabla. trash. no competition is a key. u knew what u do.

Premades should be completly removed from the queue.
And then created separated queue especially for premade groups.

Guess what, I have gotten whispered: "preamde", "premade idiots", "premade tards" many times while I was solo in BG... You are not getting my vote dude.. you are blinding yourself trying to accomplish something you think will solve your bad experience in BG... When the fact of the matter is.... you should start by looking at yourself

and u again proved with your words reason why premade groups should be separated.
dude, please use your own advice

This makes no sense