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Additional Context on U23 Combat Changes

  • master_vanargand
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    Elude became trash.
    What does ZOS want to do?
    Mobility? Where is it?
  • JusticeSouldier
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    People laughed when I made this meme. They called me insane.

    WELL WHO IS LAUGHING NOW?! >:'(

    Well, I'm glad he's out - this meme will never actual for me.
    His actions were even worse than worst "experiments" in this patch.
    He didn't understood the game and eso combat was hurt with this very much.
    IF to say about Wheeler...not sure yet but if eso with him going to move into the direction in changes as in Scalebreaker first patchnote.. maybe it's good for the game to free his position for better professional.

    Need to say here - I'm very glad he thinking and saing about plan to improve game performance with steps and suggestions now at a high priority.
    And work much better with community. Very much better.

    Will be extremply glad if he will think about changing strategy in genaral for "small patches".
    With reactions to revealed problem in eso combat in 1-few weeks instead of Q or years.
    Small steps always work better.
    And new dlc or chapters seems good to be more separated from balance patches (sets, ablities, passives, playgrounds).
    With balance as higher priority.
    So it will not be so stressfull if something went very bad if can be fixed quick.


    it's a system.
    And main task for leader is to create most possible effective one.
    And, it's a question of quality of Zenimax team life.
    Edited by JusticeSouldier on August 1, 2019 10:03PM
  • Abyssmol
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    Dizzying Swing 14 to 15k took tip with a stun. Please give dizzying swing to magicka class too.
  • offbymyself
    offbymyself
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    Personally, I want to see a stream where the devs take their PTS changes and go clear vHoF and vMoL on the average build of current players. I want to see how they use these changes and how they feel like it's bettering the game. Don't tell me it's better - show me.
  • Sanguinor2
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    Personally, I want to see a stream where the devs take their PTS changes and go clear vHoF and vMoL on the average build of current players. I want to see how they use these changes and how they feel like it's bettering the game. Don't tell me it's better - show me.

    They likely cant clear vhof hm on live so no Point in doing so with the new changes.
    Politeness is respecting others.
    Courage is doing what is fair.
    Modesty is speaking of oneself without vanity.
    Self control is keeping calm even when anger rises.
    Sincerity is expressing oneself without concealing ones thoughts.
    Honor is keeping ones word.
  • Lucky28
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    Shantu wrote: »
    I echo what others have said. In the quest for "balance", I hope the devs do not lose sight of basic concepts like "fun, "interesting" and "unique". This push towards homogeneity makes future math easier to adjust at the price of diversity...which will eventually just become repetitive and boring. The fact that characters will now be forced to drop nerfed class skills in lieu of the same set of generic non-class skills is a case in point. This is neither fun nor interesting, and strips away the feeling of class identity. It may be good for the math...but it's hard to see how it's good for the game.

    yeah, honestly this patch looks exceptionally boring combat wise. i mean my magblade is pretty much unplayable outside of Destro bombing, the 2 ults i mostly use now have *** cast times on them, great thanks.

    i don't know what the *** i'm gonna do with my stam character, vigor got nerfed, rally no longer has hot, cast time on my ult...... guess cram him in a zerg somewhere.

    ...... i don't even know, disappointing patch to say the least.
    Invictus
  • JusticeSouldier
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    with last pts patchnotes i probably take a break from eso idk for what period.
    like maybe i'll do some trading/crafting or someday will go lvl undaunted for 2 characters who have no it, but any pvp or hard pve.
    fkk it, it doesn't fun to get into face such things as:
    • cast in time ultimates.
    • or new Eclipse both morfs.
    • or new unblockable in addition to undodgeable before Streak.
    • or new shuffle with 5 seconds duration in 5 medium...
    • or for example converting usable now set Veiled Heritance into crap one with a very rare chance to proc it when "interrapting" someone (it could be good if more abilities could be interrapted in game, but nope...the only purpose it can be for can be "defend own relic in battlegrounds...wtf?", i don't understand in what a vacuum Devs exists to do such things).
    • or again nothing done on separating Premade and Randomly created groups in battlegrounds. And any word said about if they plan it someday.
    I take a break, fkk it
    Edited by JusticeSouldier on August 6, 2019 6:11AM
  • master_vanargand
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    Resolving Vigor is weaker than live server.
    Why is it 4 sec? Can you calculate?
  • Nordic__Knights
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    With the destruction of every Stam heal that there ever was that was any good for any build and the destruction of healers as well every class I have every build every character I've ever worked on in 5 years is dead now so goodbye
  • brandoncoffmannub18_ESO
    With the destruction of every Stam heal that there ever was that was any good for any build and the destruction of healers as well every class I have every build every character I've ever worked on in 5 years is dead now so goodbye

    Stam healers were never really a thing in endgame, non-endgame you can still heal.
    Raise your arguments, not your insults.

    Jodynn/Jo_oJ PC NA

    PvE and PvP

    MagDK
    StamDK
  • Nordic__Knights
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    With the destruction of every Stam heal that there ever was that was any good for any build and the destruction of healers as well every class I have every build every character I've ever worked on in 5 years is dead now so goodbye

    Stam healers were never really a thing in endgame, non-endgame you can still heal.

    Wasn't talking about Stam heels I was talking about the my tanks destroyed my Nightblade destroyed my Stam sorcerer destroyed Stamcrows destroyed I mean it gets a 9k *** vigor after this patch goes live what I was talking in regards to heals what's my actual healers two of them both magic healers both are magic but they're trash every character I've ever put together dispatch has destroyed in one way or the other for five years I've worked around all of this I've done all of that and I'm not doing it no more I'm not remaking 12 new characters
  • master_vanargand
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    ZOS is like a dice.
  • Nordic__Knights
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    "ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »
    Heyo gang!
    we are not averse to the idea that players might need to adjust their current builds such as running more defensive Ultimates rather than offensive ones, or running more survival enhancing sets, rather than pure damage or buff oriented ones."

    You really need to revisit some of the changes you made. Combat is not smooth or interesting. Tbh as a day 1 player this patch has too many changes and a lack of focus from you. It's losing what made combat so much fun in ESO to begin with.

    The classes don't feel special anymore.

    It would greatly help if you would communicate what direction you're going, Cx. Because this back and forth is stuff, shows an unstable and chaotic future for the game.

    Also, we have been adjusting builds quite often from nerfs.

    Maybe you need to step back and play the game for awhile on all the platforms and see how it really is in PvP and PvE.

    If you did this, it would be 'The Year Of Performance' not dragons.

    I do not believe that they play the game nor do I believe that they even make a template of any type of a genuine character to test the changes for whatever reasons they want to change things before every even changing it I mean if they think PTS is there a way to check to see if it's running right you're wrong because they don't even know the the slightest potential of what this change we'll do it that potentially time if they're not playing it before and testing it theirselves which obviously they do not
  • Vahrokh
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    with last pts patchnotes i probably take a break from eso idk for what period.
    like maybe i'll do some trading/crafting or someday will go lvl undaunted for 2 characters who have no it, but any pvp or hard pve.
    fkk it, it doesn't fun to get into face such things as:
    • cast in time ultimates.
    • or new Eclipse both morfs.
    • or new unblockable in addition to undodgeable before Streak.
    • or new shuffle with 5 seconds duration in 5 medium...
    • or for example converting usable now set Veiled Heritance into crap one with a very rare chance to proc it when "interrapting" someone (it could be good if more abilities could be interrapted in game, but nope...the only purpose it can be for can be "defend own relic in battlegrounds...wtf?", i don't understand in what a vacuum Devs exists to do such things).
    • or again nothing done on separating Premade and Randomly created groups in battlegrounds. And any word said about if they plan it someday.
    I take a break, fkk it

    I have unsubbed today.

    Totally not worth playing now.

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  • Marteene
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    @ZOS_BrianWheeler Could these sweeping changes portend a new skill line or change to the combat mechanics next patch? More importantly is this all an intended outcome or part of a development path to a more robust goal?
  • Eiregirl
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    "Play your way" ummmm yeah hmmm sure.

    "The Elder Scrolls Online is a world without limits, meaning you can play how you want to play." Okay...sure thing until forced not to.

    I have not done trials in a very long time and I do not mind trial gear being good and slightly better than crafted gear but in ESO I have always loved the feeling of getting my crafting to max and making the gear I need to tackle any content in the game. On all of my characters at least one of the sets I use has always been a crafted set and I hope it stays that way.
  • Nyqwont
    Nyqwont
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    How about you go over to esologs.com and have a look at what single class dominates pve dps, and which classes not only don't make the list but aren't invited to trials because of where they're at before you go ahead and nerf their skills next time. It seems like a pretty easy way of knowing where *not* to start but it's pretty clear you didn't do that. Smh
  • KageNin
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    How about making a plan instead of grabing at random aspects of the game and ruining everything?
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