5.1.0 - Well Done!

Asgari

Thank you ZOS, finally a patch where > 50% of the changes in it I totally agree with. This update looks super awesome and game changer for a lot of things. I look forward to all of the theory crafting ahead!

RebornV3x

these changes are absolutely horrible

Xogath

Yeah, I'm not gonna lie, these changes make me seriously question my subscription to this game.

I'll leave final judgement for patch day, but given the ZOS track record of not listening to decent feedback at all, I won't hold out any hope on anything.

I mean there's a few good adjustments in there.. but 90% nerfs is what I'm reading.

And the Orbs change.. just wow.

UntilValhalla13

Rip to healers as a role in general.

Asgari

Xogath wrote: »

Yeah, I'm not gonna lie, these changes make me seriously question my subscription to this game.

I'll leave final judgement for patch day, but given the ZOS track record of not listening to decent feedback at all, I won't hold out any hope on anything.

I mean there's a few good adjustments in there.. but 90% nerfs is what I'm reading.

And the Orbs change.. just wow.

Yes there are a lot of nerfs but much of it was seriously needed. God mode needs to end and people need to get back to actually working to survive and be punished when they make mistakes.

Thogard

Healing is going to be harder and more involved now.

Healers should be happy. More of them will be required, and it’ll reward skillful play more now.

Lucky28

RIP my stamplar.

code65536

It's funny how it's all the PvPers who are cheering this change, as the notes resemble the typical forum PvP whine thread ("waaah, healing is too strong!").

It's almost like they have no idea how changes like this affect content that they don't play... as in, make certain things literally unbeatable.

And fine, I'll admit that I don't know much about your world either. So maybe it's about time ZOS balanced the two separately, hm?

Lucky28

one thing i will say about the set changes. Phoenix looks somewhat interesting, martial knowledge though.... lol what?. not like anyone used Martial knowledge much anymore but still, lol.

Jhalin

Bye bye healers

I guess that’s one way to deal with healers not feeling needed, ensuring you KNOW ZOS doesn’t want you playing

ecru

Thogard wrote: »

Healing is going to be harder and more involved now.

Healers should be happy. More of them will be required, and it’ll reward skillful play more now.

Go clear vCR+3 or vHoF hardmode without springs and get back to us on how well that worked out for you.

Rikumaru

These changes look pretty good imo. Away from everyone running heavy and more to people running medium.

technohic

Im just trying to figure out major evasion on FM and Rally. I mean; if you have rally over FM, you probably already have shuffle as well? Trying to figure out how to go about avoiding redundancy there. Go FM, and get a heal from somewhere else with the free slot from not needing any major evasion source? Run rally and something else for anti-snare/roots? Feels shuffle while finally buffed, becomes obsolete.

Audens

Revert the healing changes and this is straight up one of the best patches in the game's history. No meme.

Qwazzy

Great changes from the perspective of a small scale player.

Lucky28

technohic wrote: »

Im just trying to figure out major evasion on FM and Rally. I mean; if you have rally over FM, you probably already have shuffle as well? Trying to figure out how to go about avoiding redundancy there. Go FM, and get a heal from somewhere else with the free slot from not needing any major evasion source? Run rally and something else for anti-snare/roots? Feels shuffle while finally buffed, becomes obsolete.

It's not working whatever they're trying to do. just making some skills completely worthless. It's not Redundancy, it's a choice as to what skills you would like to run to accomplish what, that choice is being taken away with these changes making the skills really boring, generic and stale.

TimeDazzler

Oh no would you look at that, you can't spam healing springs over and over in both pvp and pve. What a tragedy.

code65536

Cries wrote: »

Oh no would you look at that, you can't spam healing springs over and over in both pvp and pve. What a tragedy.

Oh no would you look at that, you'll fail every major heal check in vet trials. Why don't you go and clear vHoF on the PTS on Monday, and then we can talk?

Evito

Server performance fix patch - drive players away to reduce server load.

Stridig

Lucky28 wrote: »

one thing i will say about the set changes. Phoenix looks somewhat interesting, martial knowledge though.... lol what?. not like anyone used Martial knowledge much anymore but still, lol.

I'm curious about that change as well. I mean, if your stamina is below 75%, why wouldn't they boost heavy attacks? Are you really going to just light attack when you're that low?

maxjapank

There are other aoe heals besides Healing springs in pvp. Just means more class heals and more self-heals. Stamina players also received healing nerfs. But they should also add take a look at the Twin Slash morph "Blood Craze.' Its' healing could also be toned down some.

Evito

TL/DR patch notes:

Increased cost and nerfs to majority of useful ablities.

**** healers, aoe and most of all, **** fun!

kypranb14_ESO

From a PVP-Battlegrounds perspective, and from a Veteran Hard Mode Dungeon perspective, these changes look excellent.

I can't speak from a trial perspective, as I've only done a few normal trials.

I was thinking though, if the springs changes alone could be so game changing for trial-goers, do you think that maybe springs was over-tuned to begin with?

Let'a use our heads for a moment here without getting heated. If not being able to stack healing springs would make certain trials impossible, what if these changes are designed for force endgame trial-goers to stack more resistance, in turn lowering DPS?

Just thinking out loud here, I don't even know if the "Heal-check" damage can be mitigated.

DUTCH_REAPER

I like the majority of changes. Looking forward to the drop and we shall see what is what. Then I’ll come whine err uh complain on the forums.

Integral1900

kypranb14_ESO wrote: »

From a PVP-Battlegrounds perspective, and from a Veteran Hard Mode Dungeon perspective, these changes look excellent.

I can't speak from a trial perspective, as I've only done a few normal trials.

I was thinking though, if the springs changes alone could be so game changing for trial-goers, do you think that maybe springs was over-tuned to begin with?

Let'a use our heads for a moment here without getting heated. If not being able to stack healing springs would make certain trials impossible, what if these changes are designed for force endgame trial-goers to stack more resistance, in turn lowering DPS?

Just thinking out loud here, I don't even know if the "Heal-check" damage can be mitigated.

I think you may have something there, I mean at the moment dps can go full glass canon, in trials some will clear 100k in execute which is a crazy amount of damage. Forcing them to use a more balanced approach would lower the crazy a bit.

Personally I’m really happy, especially with the new version of onslaught... now where did I put that hybrid gear... (sound of furious rummaging)

khajiitNPC

I too am happy and am glad the same posters are making back onto the forum. We need some positivity in regards to these doom posts! I’m looking forward to the changes. Bleeds being mitigated by resistances that’s cool right?

gameshark79

I don't understand making the game harder when not even 5% of your players are completing the hardest content in the game. The best players in the game will adjust as usual, but the average player(60-70% of the game) will struggle.

colossalvoids

Lack of basic game knowledge from some pvpers is quite telling here, lmao

Rex-Umbra

Heavy and light attacks still are not based off highest stat ( melee magicka builds still doing light attacks for 500dmg (

Druid40

I think the Scorching Flare (morph) should still do the previous damage. It is a rarely used skill that is hard to land on a stealthed/invisible target.

wills43b14_ESO

kypranb14_ESO wrote: »

From a PVP-Battlegrounds perspective, and from a Veteran Hard Mode Dungeon perspective, these changes look excellent.

I can't speak from a trial perspective, as I've only done a few normal trials.

I was thinking though, if the springs changes alone could be so game changing for trial-goers, do you think that maybe springs was over-tuned to begin with?

Let'a use our heads for a moment here without getting heated. If not being able to stack healing springs would make certain trials impossible, what if these changes are designed for force endgame trial-goers to stack more resistance, in turn lowering DPS?

Just thinking out loud here, I don't even know if the "Heal-check" damage can be mitigated.

Forcing dps to build tankier will let them last a couple of damage ticks longer... at the expense of lowering dps to where exhaustion continues longer and deals even more dmg and kills you anyways. On that note, baneful mark in vCR is NOT mitigatable in any sense so building dps tankier will do nothing (it will actually make it harder if they have more hp).