Twilight Matriarch is overperforming

Suddwrath

CambionDaemon wrote: »

Well all of you got your wish, PetSorc nerfed.

The request wasn’t to nerf petsorcs, but to provide better balance between the Matriarch and Tormentor morphs to give DPS petsorcs more incentive to use the Tormentor morph.

CambionDaemon

The request was to nerf the Matriarch, you can put it however you want but that is what people wanted. I agree that there should be a difference between morphs (actually I want pets to be deleted from the Sorc line and made in to a world skill line), but with the nerf to Tormentor as well (not as much) people just will not use the pets.

karekiz

SaltySudd wrote: »

The request wasn’t to nerf petsorcs, but to provide better balance between the Matriarch and Tormentor morphs to give DPS petsorcs more incentive to use the Tormentor morph.

ZoS: how do we balance pets?

Answer: Make them class paper weights?

Deloth_Vyrr

The matriarch needed nerfing, but by almost 70%?
Also the Tormentor didn't need to be touched at all. It was already a weak morph.

The 35% reduction the Tormentor got should have been what the Matriarch got hit with, and left the Tormentor alone...

leepalmer95

SaltySudd wrote: »

CambionDaemon wrote: »

Well all of you got your wish, PetSorc nerfed.

The request wasn’t to nerf petsorcs, but to provide better balance between the Matriarch and Tormentor morphs to give DPS petsorcs more incentive to use the Tormentor morph.

Nah it was to nerf pets, they were over performing.

Saril_Durzam

Tired of reading how a part of a skillset of a class "overperforms" while the class itself doesn´t. If you take the best skills to a class who isnt at the top, and you dont compensate it on other skills, do you know what happens? exactly. Class get a nerf, will be less desired, people playing it will enjoy it less.

Ofc, as you don´t play Sorc, you could care less... Let´s see how you feel when the class you play get the nerfing bat. Oh wait, if it´s NB, that won´t happen with this dev team.

Moloch1514

Thanks for the PvE nerfs, PvP'ers. 😒

Saril_Durzam

Moloch1514 wrote: »

Thanks for the PvE nerfs, PvP'ers. 😒

When will we get a diff Pvp and PvE class and world skill lines so one enviroment doesn´t affect the other?

usmcjdking

Matriach is still a LOS disrespecting AOE burst heal with a reasonably large heal tooltip. That alone makes it worth double barring. It has literally double the efficiency of Breath of Life.

Clannfear and Tormentor on the other hand are complete trash when in static combat, with Tormentor providing almost no damage even when active and Clannfear fulfilling the role of Dragon's Blood except requiring two slots with the potential to die due to portal mechanics.

Saril_Durzam

usmcjdking wrote: »

Matriach is still a LOS disrespecting AOE burst heal with a reasonably large heal tooltip. That alone makes it worth double barring. It has literally double the efficiency of Breath of Life.

Clannfear and Tormentor on the other hand are complete trash when in static combat, with Tormentor providing almost no damage even when active and Clannfear fulfilling the role of Dragon's Blood except requiring two slots with the potential to die due to portal mechanics.

Matriach would be worth as a single slot, probably. It´s not much better than Vigor, if ever. And Vigor takes one single slot. The pyrric DPS it will deal isn´t worth the other slot.

Please ZoS, now that you´re standarizing everything, make a magicka Vigor morph. Thank you.

usmcjdking

Saril_Durzam wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

Matriach is still a LOS disrespecting AOE burst heal with a reasonably large heal tooltip. That alone makes it worth double barring. It has literally double the efficiency of Breath of Life.

Clannfear and Tormentor on the other hand are complete trash when in static combat, with Tormentor providing almost no damage even when active and Clannfear fulfilling the role of Dragon's Blood except requiring two slots with the potential to die due to portal mechanics.

Matriach would be worth as a single slot, probably. It´s not much better than Vigor, if ever. And Vigor takes one single slot. The pyrric DPS it will deal isn´t worth the other slot.

Please ZoS, now that you´re standarizing everything, make a magicka Vigor morph. Thank you.

Twilight and vigor are significantly different. Twilight is more akin to Breath of Life, except stronger lol.

Saril_Durzam

True. It´s stronger and it takes 2 skills slots, 2 precious skill slots. I think that´s fair.

But i was saying that we wont need Matriarch healing if we Magicka players would get a heal similar to Vigor. Not comparing Matriarch with Vigor, not sure if you got my words.

usmcjdking

Saril_Durzam wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

Twilight and vigor are significantly different. Twilight is more akin to Breath of Life, except stronger lol.

True. It´s stronger and it takes 2 skills slots, 2 precious skill slots. I think that´s fair.

But i was saying that we wont need Matriarch healing if we Magicka players would get a heal similar to Vigor. Not comparing Matriarch with Vigor, not sure if you got my words.

You did. New Rapid regen is basically magicka vigor...

Saril_Durzam

usmcjdking wrote: »

You did. New Rapid regen is basically magicka vigor...

Nope.

Rapid regen needs to have a Resto Staff. Vigor is used WHILE you do DPS with a DPS oriented weapon. It´s a significant difference. Stamina players dont need to slot a no DPS weapon to get such a fantastic healer; now magicka characters do...

Seraphayel

Saril_Durzam wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

You did. New Rapid regen is basically magicka vigor...

Nope.

Rapid regen needs to have a Resto Staff. Vigor is used WHILE you do DPS with a DPS oriented weapon. It´s a significant difference. Stamina players dont need to slot a no DPS weapon to get such a fantastic healer; now magicka characters do...

Think about it this way: with all the buffs to Vigor Magicka builds can use it on top of Rapid Regeneration whereas Stamina builds can’t do this. With 2000 Stamina it’s super cheap and even on a Magicka build very strong.

Saril_Durzam

The cost of Vigor is not a problem, if not i´d use it. The issue is that scales with Stamina. My vigor just heals for 5k...

Seraphayel

Saril_Durzam wrote: »

The cost of Vigor is not a problem, if not i´d use it. The issue is that scales with Stamina. My vigor just heals for 5k...

Yeah but it’s healing potential was drastically increased in the update and it’s cost reduced. So the new Vigor might be considered by Magicka builds, too. I don’t have exact numbers from PTS yet it might be something to look at.

Saril_Durzam

Seraphayel wrote: »

Saril_Durzam wrote: »

The cost of Vigor is not a problem, if not i´d use it. The issue is that scales with Stamina. My vigor just heals for 5k...

Yeah but it’s healing potential was drastically increased in the update and it’s cost reduced. So the new Vigor might be considered by Magicka builds, too. I don’t have exact numbers from PTS yet it might be something to look at.

Yeah. will consider what you´re saying, but the "normal" state would be that Vigor would heal few for Magicka. If it heals much for Magicka, it will heal LOTS for stamina and will be bad.

Maybe Vigor should cost and scale with maximum resource, as it´s a Pvp skill, let´s call it a "neutral" skill.

leepalmer95

Saril_Durzam wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

Saril_Durzam wrote: »

The cost of Vigor is not a problem, if not i´d use it. The issue is that scales with Stamina. My vigor just heals for 5k...

Yeah but it’s healing potential was drastically increased in the update and it’s cost reduced. So the new Vigor might be considered by Magicka builds, too. I don’t have exact numbers from PTS yet it might be something to look at.

Yeah. will consider what you´re saying, but the "normal" state would be that Vigor would heal few for Magicka. If it heals much for Magicka, it will heal LOTS for stamina and will be bad.

Maybe Vigor should cost and scale with maximum resource, as it´s a Pvp skill, let´s call it a "neutral" skill.

It's the only heal stam has.

New regeneration is the magicka equiv to it.

Saril_Durzam

leepalmer95 wrote: »

It's the only heal stam has.

New regeneration is the magicka equiv to it.

Yeah, the only one... but it´s better than any other Magicka heal. Please give me Vigor and take Regen, Matriarch, etc... away.

And again, it´s not the equivalent; might be in numbers, but not on easyness to slot it. Slot a resto staff beign DPS is counter intuitive and usually a bad idea except for some PvP builds (and people now play s&b instead of resto staff). In PvE it would be ridiculous to have to get a Resto staff for a DPS build. Meaning no DPS will use Regeneration. It would be as non existant.

CambionDaemon

So, is Vigor getting tied to a weapon? If not, stop comparing it.

leepalmer95

Saril_Durzam wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

It's the only heal stam has.

New regeneration is the magicka equiv to it.

Yeah, the only one... but it´s better than any other Magicka heal. Please give me Vigor and take Regen, Matriarch, etc... away.

And again, it´s not the equivalent; might be in numbers, but not on easyness to slot it. Slot a resto staff beign DPS is counter intuitive and usually a bad idea except for some PvP builds (and people now play s&b instead of resto staff). In PvE it would be ridiculous to have to get a Resto staff for a DPS build. Meaning no DPS will use Regeneration. It would be as non existant.

Im sure some other dps, e.g. stam dps can slot vigor for hard heal checks.

Saril_Durzam

Vigor has even another advantage: it stacks with another Vigors. So game pushes to have many Stamina DPS which will synergy better than many Magicka ones. Actually there are many Pvp complains about vigor spam and near unkillable hordes.

usmcjdking

Saril_Durzam wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

You did. New Rapid regen is basically magicka vigor...

Nope.

Rapid regen needs to have a Resto Staff. Vigor is used WHILE you do DPS with a DPS oriented weapon. It´s a significant difference. Stamina players dont need to slot a no DPS weapon to get such a fantastic healer; now magicka characters do...

You literally have 2 burst heals in the class (matriarch + dark exchange), two HOTS (absorption field and critical surge) and major vit. If you have problems healing it's a L2P issue bud.

Saril_Durzam

usmcjdking wrote: »

You literally have 2 burst heals in the class (matriarch + dark exchange), two HOTS (absorption field and critical surge) and major vit. If you have problems healing it's a L2P issue bud.

Matriarch if it doesn´t have DPS, it´s a good heal that takes TWO Slots.
Dark Echange is a channeled skill, i wouldn´t call it "burst" by its own word´s definition.
Absortion Field is an Ultimate. A one that noone plays. When i need a healing UIlt i will play Barrier, 10% passive mag regen, gives a 25k Shield and a 25k heal. That it is a burst heal. But again, you won´t honestly think any DPS will slot and play regularly heal Ults, do you?
Critical surge, apart from expensive, is not a true hot. It´s a "lifesteal" skill, and not on demand. Most of the time, surge is just overhealing.

If you can´t see that my concern about healing is not about quantity of skills, but quality (most stam build just uses Vigor and they dont need more even if in their classes have an entire skill line for healing), then who´s the one who needs to learn to play?

ccfeeling

Huge nerf to sorc , thanks this post .