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Is Necromancer Goliath Bash Spam intended?
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Synozeer✭✭✭✭✭eovogtb16_ESO wrote: »
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@Synozeer I thought 5 stars are maximum. How come the screenshot displays you with 6 stars? Is that a display bug?
I was the first DC Grand Overlord so I get special treatment.
But really I think it might just be some add-on they are using that shows the 5 star using a different design.Watch my PvP Videos on YouTube
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I think it's far more likely that they simply overlooked the kind of damage "specialized" Bash-builds could do with this ultimate. Unless of course they conspired to make this one ultimate overpowered only on Stamina builds, while simultaneously making Magicka Necromancer the worst class in the game by far, in order to somehow sell more copies of Elsweyr.Darkestnght wrote: »In my opinion this was intentional and they new full well the damage it was capable of. Think about it. They put out a new chapter with a new class that can do this kind of damage. Now some players may see this and say hey I need to go buy Elsweyr so I can do this kind of damage as well, waht fun. Boom sales for Elsweyr go up and everyone on their end is happy. As someone who PvP's a lot this was very clear to me from the beginning.
Too many “over sights” for me to not believe they knew what this could do lol. They would NEVER admit to it because it taints the game.... but these things bring in the “omg broken meta lolz” players. These are the most casual players who only play the cheesiest of cheesiest classes/metas/broken skills/sets.
They know these players exist. They Taylor to it in a hidden little gem like this... it exploded a bit too early and whole populations caught on.
Mind you- almost every bash spammer that I saw was some random player I’d never seen before. I think I MIGHT have seen 1-2 known players use this.Edited by Insco851 on July 1, 2019 7:20PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Hey everyone,
We've seen your feedback and concerns about the Pummeling Goliath ability and the detrimental impact it is currently having in PvP content. As a result, we have some significant changes coming for the ability and other related mechanics in next week's incremental patch. Watch for full details in the patch notes on Monday.
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On PC/NA, Bahlokdaan, the opposite was the case. Major guilds and a well known streamer and his flock were abusing the crap out of this.
Mind you- almost every bash spammer that I saw was some random player I’d never seen before. I think I MIGHT have seen 1-2 known players use this.
I think it's far more likely that they simply overlooked the kind of damage "specialized" Bash-builds could do with this ultimate. Unless of course they conspired to make this one ultimate overpowered only on Stamina builds, while simultaneously making Magicka Necromancer the worst class in the game by far, in order to somehow sell more copies of Elsweyr.Darkestnght wrote: »In my opinion this was intentional and they new full well the damage it was capable of. Think about it. They put out a new chapter with a new class that can do this kind of damage. Now some players may see this and say hey I need to go buy Elsweyr so I can do this kind of damage as well, waht fun. Boom sales for Elsweyr go up and everyone on their end is happy. As someone who PvP's a lot this was very clear to me from the beginning.- PC/NA
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On PC/NA, Bahlokdaan, the opposite was the case. Major guilds and a well known streamer and his flock were abusing the crap out of this.
Mind you- almost every bash spammer that I saw was some random player I’d never seen before. I think I MIGHT have seen 1-2 known players use this.
I think it's far more likely that they simply overlooked the kind of damage "specialized" Bash-builds could do with this ultimate. Unless of course they conspired to make this one ultimate overpowered only on Stamina builds, while simultaneously making Magicka Necromancer the worst class in the game by far, in order to somehow sell more copies of Elsweyr.Darkestnght wrote: »In my opinion this was intentional and they new full well the damage it was capable of. Think about it. They put out a new chapter with a new class that can do this kind of damage. Now some players may see this and say hey I need to go buy Elsweyr so I can do this kind of damage as well, waht fun. Boom sales for Elsweyr go up and everyone on their end is happy. As someone who PvP's a lot this was very clear to me from the beginning.
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WeylandLabs✭✭✭✭✭Shokasegambit1 wrote: »Ok now can we stop complaining in this community ?
no
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Vizikul✭✭✭✭eovogtb16_ESO wrote: »
Woohoo, my oil pour is famous!
@Synozeer I thought 5 stars are maximum. How come the screenshot displays you with 6 stars? Is that a display bug?
But really I think it might just be some add-on they are using that shows the 5 star using a different design.
Interesting. I didn't know that was a thing.Pugging. Pugging all the way to victory.Imperial Dragonknight --- male, stamina, heavy & medium armor, dual wield, one hand and shield, two handed.
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✭eovogtb16_ESO wrote: »
Woohoo, my oil pour is famous!
@Synozeer I thought 5 stars are maximum. How come the screenshot displays you with 6 stars? Is that a display bug?
But really I think it might just be some add-on they are using that shows the 5 star using a different design.
Interesting. I didn't know that was a thing.
It's Miat's PvP Alerts. Also adds wise words to the death recap like "If you had two coconuts and would take one away, the remaining coconut would still last longer than you did."PC EU - Ebonheart Pact - Gray Host - Death Recap -#zergfarming -2 -
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✭eovogtb16_ESO wrote: »
Woohoo, my oil pour is famous!
@Synozeer I thought 5 stars are maximum. How come the screenshot displays you with 6 stars? Is that a display bug?
But really I think it might just be some add-on they are using that shows the 5 star using a different design.
Interesting. I didn't know that was a thing.
It's Miat's PvP Alerts. Also adds wise words to the death recap like "If you had two coconuts and would take one away, the remaining coconut would still last longer than you did."
no. the 6-stars and wise words are both from AP Meter.August Palatine Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Gray Host
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✭eovogtb16_ESO wrote: »
Woohoo, my oil pour is famous!
@Synozeer I thought 5 stars are maximum. How come the screenshot displays you with 6 stars? Is that a display bug?
But really I think it might just be some add-on they are using that shows the 5 star using a different design.
Interesting. I didn't know that was a thing.
It's Miat's PvP Alerts. Also adds wise words to the death recap like "If you had two coconuts and would take one away, the remaining coconut would still last longer than you did."
no. the 6-stars and wise words are both from AP Meter.
Oh really? Always thought it's Miat's
thanks for clearing that up!
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✭✭✭eovogtb16_ESO wrote: »
Woohoo, my oil pour is famous!
@Synozeer I thought 5 stars are maximum. How come the screenshot displays you with 6 stars? Is that a display bug?
But really I think it might just be some add-on they are using that shows the 5 star using a different design.
Interesting. I didn't know that was a thing.
It's Miat's PvP Alerts. Also adds wise words to the death recap like "If you had two coconuts and would take one away, the remaining coconut would still last longer than you did."
no. the 6-stars and wise words are both from AP Meter.
Oh really? Always thought it's Miat's thanks for clearing that up!
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Dinokstrun✭✭✭Only saw 2 Necromancers all evening in BGs and Cyrodiil (no CP) is it fair to say that Necromancer is officially a dead class in PvP?0 -
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✭✭Still see quite a few in non cp pc/na. They’ve all switched to the colossus though which is good without being broken.- PC/NA
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✭✭✭✭✭Dinokstrun wrote: »Only saw 2 Necromancers all evening in BGs and Cyrodiil (no CP) is it fair to say that Necromancer is officially a dead class in PvP?
Not Stam necro. I still rock mine! I just hurt my shoulder and haven't been playing.
I mean; it's not BiS but it's still a hoot!
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✭✭✭✭✭Im sure at this point there is no need to inform you of what the Bone Tyrant necromancer skill tree ultimate Pummeling Goliath is capable of. Its not a hard setup. Sword & Board, and some bash damage enchants on your jewelry. Throw your points into stam and slap on hundings or some other damage set and you're ready to go. First of all, before we ask the question of "is this intended?" we must first know of what bone Goliath is capable of. If you get killed
(not my image. Would of screenshotted my multiple experiences i've had but I dont have screenshot key bound and I forgot to anyway lol)
Your damage recap is going to look a little something like this. All bash and maybe the shield gap closer in there somewhere. Now spamming one attack that does 6k+ damage isnt necessarily broken. Hey if someone wants to spam Wrecking Blow, power to them, but the problem with this ultimate, is that bashes can be done INCREDIBLY fast. Id say about 2 a second. 14k (aoe) damage a second, with not a huge cost behind it? Alright something isnt right here, but there must be a way to avoid this right? Only if you're the fastest person in your group. The S&B gap closer usually covers this though. If you're a mag toon or out of stam from running, one of these bad boys will shut ya down real quick. So obviously you'd want to become tankier so you don't die in 2 seconds right? Nope still dead. Now some of the necromancers defending this ulti, are saying that its "easy to avoid", "only lasts 20 seconds", and "costs a lot". First of all 20 seconds is enough time for the necro to kill you and everyone around you. Remember this ultimate makes the bash AOE. Second of all 230≈(idk exact all passives reduced cost) ultimate is easily reached by a necromancer. Id say they have some of the best ulti gain.
The 55k hp does make a necromancer rather tanky, but not unkillable on its own. But when the necro can slam out all this aoe damage, its nearly impossible to shut it down.
Now id like to ask the question "Is this intended"
Will it be changed?
I've watched a high viewer streamer play the bash necro in Bgs, and he said he said he had reported this is the first week of the Elsweyr pts. Im sure other's might of realized this too. Looking at the ulti tooltip, it says it changes the bash. Who, on the PTS, wouldnt want to play around with this? It should of obviously been known it was broken. Maybe they where too busy changing NBs to realize. This makes me question if it was intended.
I really hope this is NOT intended. Its not fun for people who where one second having a grand old time slapping ye old town nightblade around, only to realize that a necromancer ran in from behind and killed ya all in 2.4 seconds.
Honestly what made me want to post this isnt because I got killed by one of these guys a few times. So far its rather few and far between, and I havent seen a ton of them yet. But after watching that streamer, what made we want to ask this, was because I felt bad for the people killed in the BG.
I've read they are making changes to it. So if it was intended - it's safe to say it's no longer intended. In either case - it's grossly and absurdly overpowered and needs to be changed. Intended or not.Edited by Jeremy on July 6, 2019 3:38AM0 -
amorgan250Soul ShrivenNah, don’t think they’ll leave it. It can be pretty gamebreaking.
They’d hurt themselves a lot by turning people off pvp.[/quote]
Pretty sure this is ZOS' fix to the Lag in Cyrodiil, have the bash builds run anyone out who doesn't want to participate in this cheese
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amorgan250Soul Shrivendanthemann5 wrote: »OP skill or not, intended or not, if you see a necro go into face bash mode, it's time to unass the AO at a high rate of speed.
At this point, necro is a one trick pony, and this trick, like most ponies , is easy to avoid.
Clearly not an everyday PVP player, when you figure out who the basher is you can try to kite, most of them wear armor that pulls you to them if you attack or worse they use silver leash to pull you in. Even when you know who the one basher is there pops up another. A good "ball" group can time the ultis so there is no down time. BEsides all of this there is no call for one person to have the ability to destroy 2 zergs at once. This ulti is ridiculous and should be removed or heavily altered0