Is Necromancer Goliath Bash Spam intended?

eol

It's not a solution to say 'spread out and use tactics'. Spreading out just means the skill will kill fewer people. It doesn't stop it from being a grossly overpowered skill. Given any lag or cc or anything short of ideal circumstances, I can go from full health to dead virtually instantly.

Also, its frankly idiotic to say that 'we wanted some way to stop zergs', so that makes Goliath Bash OK. Jeesh. That's like having the vendor sell tactical nukes to stop zergs. We already have bombers which are good against grouped up enemies but not very effective in other circumstances. Yes, we want ways to stop zergs... but not ridiculously overpowered skills that annihilate solo targets as well as groups. The only real way to reliably defend against it is to hope its activated at a distance so you can see it coming, and run... which usually happens because it killed someone else first. And any skill where the best defense is just running away, is not a balanced skill. Period.

Mitaka211

Anyone else thinking by balance they mean completely gut the ultimate to oblivion?

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

I wonder which dev a bash necro killed.

merevie

Someone killed a ballgroup leader two nights back while streaming. Said ballgroup leader was a little...his team was a little...even if they nerf it no one is going to forget. It was funny. For us. Tbh it really could have been dodged. But the leader was turtling.

Sanct16

I'm glad ZOS is fixing it now instead of waiting for the next major update.

Mitaka211

Sanct16 wrote: »

I'm glad ZOS is fixing it now instead of waiting for the next major update.

If only they did that with other pressing concerns cough* pet sorc cough* cough*

lets be honest they will probably buff them again

wheem_ESO

Mitaka211 wrote: »

Anyone else thinking by balance they mean completely gut the ultimate to oblivion?

Well outside of the overpowered bash-spam, the ultimate really isn't all that great. It can save you against not-so-good players that aren't organized, but it's quite weak as a defensive ultimate when you're up against anyone decent.

Without the bash-spam being OP, I also don't see it having much use as an offensive ultimate, either. Why would you want to sacrifice jewelry enchants to use an expensive ultimate for "pressure damage" when you could instead run Dawnbreaker or the Colossus? ZOS really needs to change up both morphs of this ultimate, rather than simply altering the damage calculation - I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens on Monday.

Palidon

Well the new exploit has met it's end. Guess for Necromancers who spammed Goliath Bash it's back to the drawing board.

wheem_ESO

Palidon wrote: »

Well the new exploit has met it's end. Guess for Necromancers who spammed Goliath Bash it's back to the drawing board.

Too bad that drawing board is a big ole' turd. Stamina Necromancer - which is the only version of the class that can really abuse the bash spam - has far better options than Magicka Necromancer, but it's still not where it needs to be.

I'm by no means against changing this ultimate; anyone with an ounce of objectivity can see that the damage it can put out is ridiculous. But I'm hoping there are some other worthwhile balancing changes and bug fixes coming along with the same patch.

KerinKor

Just another nerf of a fun PVE skill to pander to the PVP whiners .. par for the course for this game.

Insco851

KerinKor wrote: »

Just another nerf of a fun PVE skill to pander to the PVP whiners .. par for the course for this game.

LOL

bugmom

Haha - just saw bash taking out BRIDGES and siege weapons today. I want a skill on all classes that can do that *** and be a repeatable ult that mega kills over and over!

Seraphayel

Quite interested to see how they nerf this. From AoE to ST maybe? Or something like full damage for the first target and then subsequently less for every other target?

katorga

Seraphayel wrote: »

Quite interested to see how they nerf this. From AoE to ST maybe? Or something like full damage for the first target and then subsequently less for every other target?

How about they just turn off 1H&S buffing it, or turn it into X damage per second in a cone. But hey, it is ZOS. They will absolutely ruin the ability, make it a tether or something.

qwjr8989_ESO

I think this build is just insane and destroys the fun of the game but I saw someone suggest tieing the damage to las instead of bash but keeping the damage the same so it can only be done once a second not twice a second.

LukosCreyden

Hm, I wonder if any of the other sorely needed Necro adjustments will be occurring in the coming patch too?

Seraphayel

LukosCreyden wrote: »

Hm, I wonder if any of the other sorely needed Necro adjustments will be occurring in the coming patch too?

100% no. Magicka Necromancer will be buffed in 6 months if at all, look at Magicka Warden.

Insco851

LukosCreyden wrote: »

Hm, I wonder if any of the other sorely needed Necro adjustments will be occurring in the coming patch too?

Nah they gonna leave this worthless class at bottom tier and then remove the only thing it has going for it... bash bs- Unfortunately

kpittsniperb14_ESO

ShadowProc wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

Fengrush wasn’t outnumbered last night, that’s just the line he feeds his sheep.

Are you kidding? Watch last 2 hours of stream. Lmao. It was easily the whole AD faction.

Perhaps it was the entire AD faction but he was also stacked with the entire DC faction, all the scroll buffs and a stam necro emp...so still not outnumbered. You don't need a broken ability to hump the last emp keep with your faction after day capping the map.

CritsTheBed

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hey everyone,

We've seen your feedback and concerns about the Pummeling Goliath ability and the detrimental impact it is currently having in PvP content. As a result, we have some significant changes coming for the ability and other related mechanics in next week's incremental patch. Watch for full details in the patch notes on Monday.

THANK YOU

Sybreed_Neurodrive

Insco851 wrote: »

LukosCreyden wrote: »

Hm, I wonder if any of the other sorely needed Necro adjustments will be occurring in the coming patch too?

Nah they gonna leave this worthless class at bottom tier and then remove the only thing it has going for it... bash bs- Unfortunately

That's not true, im playing magicka necromancer in pvp, my new main and i have no issues with dmg or sustain, i won't share my secrets tho. self made build

Pelican

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hey everyone,

We've seen your feedback and concerns about the Pummeling Goliath ability and the detrimental impact it is currently having in PvP content. As a result, we have some significant changes coming for the ability and other related mechanics in next week's incremental patch. Watch for full details in the patch notes on Monday.

Please do not nerf bashing AS A WHOLE. The only issue is the s&b bash damage increase passive applying to the necro's goliath bash.

Aedaryl

Pelican wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hey everyone,

We've seen your feedback and concerns about the Pummeling Goliath ability and the detrimental impact it is currently having in PvP content. As a result, we have some significant changes coming for the ability and other related mechanics in next week's incremental patch. Watch for full details in the patch notes on Monday.

Please do not nerf bashing AS A WHOLE. The only issue is the s&b bash damage increase passive applying to the necro's goliath bash.

Bashing as a whole is overperforming, ur DK knows it.

Sybreed_Neurodrive

They should rework the entire pummeling ulti tbh, it's pretty garbage

wheem_ESO

Sybreed_Neurodrive wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

LukosCreyden wrote: »

Hm, I wonder if any of the other sorely needed Necro adjustments will be occurring in the coming patch too?

Nah they gonna leave this worthless class at bottom tier and then remove the only thing it has going for it... bash bs- Unfortunately

That's not true, im playing magicka necromancer in pvp, my new main and i have no issues with dmg or sustain, i won't share my secrets tho. self made build

No, he's absolutely correct - Magicka Necromancer is hands down the worst class in the game right now. Until I see some hard evidence, I will continue to dismiss these claims of, "Magicka Necromancer is great, you guys just don't know about my super secret build" out of hand. Playing in low MMR BGs and/or "potato mashing" in Cyrodiil can warp one's perspective; good kill/death ratios are very possible in those scenarios even on a class that's really bad.

What platform are you on? If it's PC-NA, I could get you duo queued into some high MMR BGs and let you see what's really going on with Magicka Necromancer. Going up against people that have good damage, positioning, etc...causes Magicka Necromancer to fall apart. The Colossus Ultimate with a full premade coordinating other ults/roots/snares/etc...is pretty strong, but outside of that the class is just garbage when it's actually pushed to the limit.

Insco851

Sybreed_Neurodrive wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

LukosCreyden wrote: »

Hm, I wonder if any of the other sorely needed Necro adjustments will be occurring in the coming patch too?

Nah they gonna leave this worthless class at bottom tier and then remove the only thing it has going for it... bash bs- Unfortunately

That's not true, im playing magicka necromancer in pvp, my new main and i have no issues with dmg or sustain, i won't share my secrets tho. self made build

Magwarden cloned Magcro is probably the best way to play it and the burst window isn’t as clean. Perma>Collosus/Goliath

Waffennacht

Tomorrow!! I'm scared/excited....

What will happen???

UppGRAYxDD

Waffennacht wrote: »

Tomorrow!! I'm scared/excited....

What will happen???

Bash gonna get nerfed, but the coding change is gonna buff lag...

Waffennacht

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Tomorrow!! I'm scared/excited....

What will happen???

Bash gonna get nerfed, but the coding change is gonna buff lag...

I'll will blame you personally if the lag increases....

Totally all
Your
Fault

katorga

Aedaryl wrote: »

Pelican wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hey everyone,

We've seen your feedback and concerns about the Pummeling Goliath ability and the detrimental impact it is currently having in PvP content. As a result, we have some significant changes coming for the ability and other related mechanics in next week's incremental patch. Watch for full details in the patch notes on Monday.

Please do not nerf bashing AS A WHOLE. The only issue is the s&b bash damage increase passive applying to the necro's goliath bash.

Bashing as a whole is overperforming, ur DK knows it.

Just wow. I think people just like to hyperventilate and say "overperforming". If 2K-ish damage is op, just find an easier game.

Overperformance is such a flacid word. It means something is slightly better than other things. The old school term was OVER POWERED. Something dominated every other thing. You nerf over powered. You don't do anything about over performing because random changes in the meta make over performance change over short periods of time.