Is Necromancer Goliath Bash Spam intended?

Kadoin

Waffennacht wrote: »

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eovogtb16_ESO wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RXxUY9CbKE

holy *** this game is becoming a joke

Cyrodiil always has been

It was at least decent in 1T patch when everyone was OP IMO. Well, when you weren't getting procced to death at least...

Mayrael

Untill it helps to sell Elsweyr nothing is going to change. This skill is so broken that I can hardly remember anything like that in the past. There was no skill that allowed anyone to run solo in the middle of 10 man group and wipe them without any effort. This skill performance is well known since PTS and ZOS didn't took any actions. ZOS is very conceited, they have reasons to act like that, but certain bigger company that strats with B took a lesson, that you shouldn't mess with your player base because it may end badly.

Nicalas

250 cost ultimate with no ultimate generation during those 20 seconds. Giant character model to easily pick out of the group. Can be countered by CC/Roots/Snares/Blocking. High stamina cost. Once this got out most players who pay half attention knew exactly what to do when encountering this ultimate. Any change to this ultimate makes it a dead morph. It requires a specific build that outside of the transformation makes the player more or less useless.

But yes lets nerf it into the ground and add it to the pile of useless skills in the game.

The Necro as a class is already pitiful in PvP with drain skills that can be los'd, a healing pet that can be los'd and poor sustain. You know what happens when you cast siphon or coil on a player who releases? The skill is cancelled. You get nothing and cannot recast without another corpse.

Necro is a one trick pony. Pay attention to who or what you are fighting. Hold block. CC/Snare/Root. Any smart bash build will immediately change targets if you start blocking. They get 20 seconds to do something and thats it.

Sandman929

Nicalas wrote: »

250 cost ultimate with no ultimate generation during those 20 seconds. Giant character model to easily pick out of the group. Can be countered by CC/Roots/Snares/Blocking. High stamina cost. Once this got out most players who pay half attention knew exactly what to do when encountering this ultimate. Any change to this ultimate makes it a dead morph. It requires a specific build that outside of the transformation makes the player more or less useless.

But yes lets nerf it into the ground and add it to the pile of useless skills in the game.

The Necro as a class is already pitiful in PvP with drain skills that can be los'd, a healing pet that can be los'd and poor sustain. You know what happens when you cast siphon or coil on a player who releases? The skill is cancelled. You get nothing and cannot recast without another corpse.

Necro is a one trick pony. Pay attention to who or what you are fighting. Hold block. CC/Snare/Root. Any smart bash build will immediately change targets if you start blocking. They get 20 seconds to do something and thats it.

Absolutely agree, but disagree that this one trick pony is worth preserving. The bashcro is the only necromancer in Cyrodiil worth paying attention to, and you think it should stay that way?

Skander

The problem is not even the damage. it's the AOE and how many times per second you can use it

EtTuBrutus

Skander wrote: »

The problem is not even the damage. it's the AOE and how many times per second you can use it

Plus they're blocking in the process on console so it's top aoe dmg with top mitigation

leepalmer95

Skander wrote: »

The problem is not even the damage. it's the AOE and how many times per second you can use it

Well it is the dmg, those other 2 wouldn't be a problem is the dmg wasn't anywhere from 4-12k bashes lmao.

The dmg needs to be unlinked from s&b passive and maybe tweaked a bit so the bash can be properly in a rotation. Go Bonerlord and use normal skills but bash at the end of them all. Still would add an extra 8k-10k tooltip into a single gcd.

katorga

2-3 patches now with no changes. Must be intended.

wheem_ESO

katorga wrote: »

2-3 patches now with no changes. Must be intended.

They're just slow about some stuff. The Intensive Mender has been bugged and frequently doesn't work at all. "Glyph Gate" was fixed for everyone but Werewolves in 1 week, but WW was able to exploit it for about 4 more months beyond that. When Morrowind first came out, the Warden's Blue Betty morph effect (remove 1 negative ability when summoned) didn't function, and it took a couple months for them to fix it if I remember correctly.

Like I said before, I think it's "kind of" intended. ZOS obviously intended for the bash to be spammed to some degree, but I'm not sure that they really accounted for just how high the damage could get, and what it would do to PvP.

Blinkin8r

One of the biggest problems for this ult is that the extra damage it gives your bash is effected by the sword and board passive that makes your bashes hit 100% harder. If the made the ult not scale off that passive, I don't think this would be as much of a problem. People should still be able to build a bash build, but it shouldn't instantly shut down any chance of competitive combat.

Waffennacht

I think the ult will be changing once they have enough changes to compensate the class once it loses the ult power

ChunkyCat

Finally ran into this on my low MMR MagDk.

7k damage per hit, four consecutive hits, I lost before I even knew wtf just happened.

Guess I shoulda leveled a Necro while I could.

KeK

leepalmer95

Waffennacht wrote: »

I think the ult will be changing once they have enough changes to compensate the class once it loses the ult power

The class would be fine if they just fix the fact half the skills don't work. One ult doing major aoe dmg and major vulnerability is OP enough as it is.

WeylandLabs

In case you didn't know ...



You have to build for it to be OP






You have to build for it to be OP






You have to build for it to be OP





You have to build for it to be OP






You have to build for it to be OP






You have to build for it to be OP



When your out of juice your a wet noodle in the wind.

Change this or nerf this, the class is a negitive zero in CP PvP - and a joke to be in Cyrodiil. It already is awful to be a stamcro in PvP without using weapon or other abilities that are proven viable already.

The class is built strictly for PvE trial boss executes - dps tests - and epic Necro role playing. 😂

But I have no faith left in this community anymore. What ever kills you without a rotation give it to mag players per vicious death. If it's stam nerf it into oblivion so there is even more healbot and block fighting cancer without a good defile.


And remember -

You have to build for it to be OP. 🤔

Sandman929

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

In case you didn't know ...
You have to build for it to be OP

Yep, but with the speed of bash even and underwhelming damage setup is decent pressure until they run out of gas.

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

Change this or nerf this, the class is a negitive zero in CP PvP - and a joke to be in Cyrodiil. It already is awful to be a stamcro

This is the real problem. The class is buggy and just weird to play IMO. Like any stam build, you can do ok using mostly weapon line skills, but necro isn't even close to other classes in open world. I'd rather not cling to the one thing that makes Necro threatening in Cyrodiil just because everything else about it sucks.

*edit: as a damage dealer anyway, they're pretty good support

katorga

Sandman929 wrote: »

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

In case you didn't know ...
You have to build for it to be OP

Yep, but with the speed of bash even and underwhelming damage setup is decent pressure until they run out of gas.

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

Change this or nerf this, the class is a negitive zero in CP PvP - and a joke to be in Cyrodiil. It already is awful to be a stamcro

This is the real problem. The class is buggy and just weird to play IMO. Like any stam build, you can do ok using mostly weapon line skills, but necro isn't even close to other classes in open world. I'd rather not cling to the one thing that makes Necro threatening in Cyrodiil just because everything else about it sucks.

*edit: as a damage dealer anyway, they're pretty good support

This gets it. The class mechanics either don't work at all, or work in such a convoluted fashion as to be almost useless.

They really really really need to fix blastbones.

The siphon skills need to be a beam from corpse at the caster to the target. No corpse you get a weak dot, one or more corpses and it gets bigger, badder, adds more effects etc. But the beam needs to stick to the target.

The whole class needs to be done over. It is not even a good pve casuals class. That said I kind of enjoy all of the crappy mechanics, frustrating corpse management, and constantly being KOS in town when I'm on the wrong bar and hit mender instead of rapids. The other classes are brain dead easy compared to necro.

Vapirko

Waffennacht wrote: »

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eovogtb16_ESO wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RXxUY9CbKE

holy *** this game is becoming a joke

Cyrodiil always has been

The issue is that at this point, with so many variables in play, nothing they change will have only the intended effect.

Strider__Roshin

katorga wrote: »

2-3 patches now with no changes. Must be intended.

That's because ZOS doesn't address game breaking issues between DLCs, only issues with their crown store.

Davadin

eovogtb16_ESO wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RXxUY9CbKE

holy *** this game is becoming a joke

it's broken and needs to be fixed, for sure...



....but realize that the reason that giant in that particular video got a lot of backup throwing AoE and major buff/debuff.....

Aedaryl

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

In case you didn't know ...



You have to build for it to be OP






You have to build for it to be OP






You have to build for it to be OP





You have to build for it to be OP






You have to build for it to be OP






You have to build for it to be OP



When your out of juice your a wet noodle in the wind.

Change this or nerf this, the class is a negitive zero in CP PvP - and a joke to be in Cyrodiil. It already is awful to be a stamcro in PvP without using weapon or other abilities that are proven viable already.

The class is built strictly for PvE trial boss executes - dps tests - and epic Necro role playing. 😂

But I have no faith left in this community anymore. What ever kills you without a rotation give it to mag players per vicious death. If it's stam nerf it into oblivion so there is even more healbot and block fighting cancer without a good defile.


And remember -

You have to build for it to be OP. 🤔

You don't have to build for it to be OP.

You can build for it to make even more OP, but a classical build, when including S&B pasives (double the damage from in game tooltip) have 20k tooltip.

Krazykov

This stupid OP spammable skill is making PvP boring as hell, lots of muppets using it now and they think they are the *** even though it takes almost zero skill to use, well enjoy it while it hasn't been nerfed I guess. Or if it doesn't get nerfed enjoy playing on your own.

Hashtag_

Nicalas wrote: »

250 cost ultimate with no ultimate generation during those 20 seconds. Giant character model to easily pick out of the group. Can be countered by CC/Roots/Snares/Blocking. High stamina cost. Once this got out most players who pay half attention knew exactly what to do when encountering this ultimate. Any change to this ultimate makes it a dead morph. It requires a specific build that outside of the transformation makes the player more or less useless.

But yes lets nerf it into the ground and add it to the pile of useless skills in the game.

The Necro as a class is already pitiful in PvP with drain skills that can be los'd, a healing pet that can be los'd and poor sustain. You know what happens when you cast siphon or coil on a player who releases? The skill is cancelled. You get nothing and cannot recast without another corpse.

Necro is a one trick pony. Pay attention to who or what you are fighting. Hold block. CC/Snare/Root. Any smart bash build will immediately change targets if you start blocking. They get 20 seconds to do something and thats it.

Stick to being a zergling and less to giving feedback. This opinion is bad and you should feel bad for presenting it. If you can’t sustain the bash spam then that is on you as a player.

BloodBeast_ESO

Nicalas wrote: »

250 cost ultimate with no ultimate generation during those 20 seconds. Giant character model to easily pick out of the group. Can be countered by CC/Roots/Snares/Blocking. High stamina cost. Once this got out most players who pay half attention knew exactly what to do when encountering this ultimate. Any change to this ultimate makes it a dead morph. It requires a specific build that outside of the transformation makes the player more or less useless.

But yes lets nerf it into the ground and add it to the pile of useless skills in the game.

The Necro as a class is already pitiful in PvP with drain skills that can be los'd, a healing pet that can be los'd and poor sustain. You know what happens when you cast siphon or coil on a player who releases? The skill is cancelled. You get nothing and cannot recast without another corpse.

Necro is a one trick pony. Pay attention to who or what you are fighting. Hold block. CC/Snare/Root. Any smart bash build will immediately change targets if you start blocking. They get 20 seconds to do something and thats it.

You would defend this bash bs, so your opinion is wrong stick to what you know best and that is zerging.

Glory

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

In case you didn't know ...



You have to build for it to be OP






You have to build for it to be OP






You have to build for it to be OP





You have to build for it to be OP






You have to build for it to be OP






You have to build for it to be OP



When your out of juice your a wet noodle in the wind.

Change this or nerf this, the class is a negitive zero in CP PvP - and a joke to be in Cyrodiil. It already is awful to be a stamcro in PvP without using weapon or other abilities that are proven viable already.

The class is built strictly for PvE trial boss executes - dps tests - and epic Necro role playing. 😂

But I have no faith left in this community anymore. What ever kills you without a rotation give it to mag players per vicious death. If it's stam nerf it into oblivion so there is even more healbot and block fighting cancer without a good defile.


And remember -

You have to build for it to be OP. 🤔

Every class has to "build" around something to be OP. And, every setup in PvP relies on a combo-mechanic reliant upon an ultimate (excluding MAYBE magsorc).

Combined with the S&B passives, this ultimate is definitely overperforming. And very skill less. We saw a bash meta a long time ago, and it was also balanced as the gameplay was not balanced nor interactive.

Just because a class is underperforming, does not justify that one setup should be overtuned. This is a fallacy, and is used to justify using broken mechanics.

SodanTok

Change SNB passive from bash dmg to bash cost. Preserves synergy between SnB and bashing and Necro ult while nerfing OPness of bashnecro and overused SnB setups that add bash to every combo.

Mazbt

The ultimate synergizes too well with the s/b bash passives and the bash damage jewellery enchant. And if it's true that they're bashing faster than intended, that's another problem that needs addressing.

Zevrro

The fact that there are actually people defending this as a balanced skill is painful.

WeylandLabs

Zevrro wrote: »

The fact that there are actually people defending this as a balanced skill is painful.

The fact that you think this whole game is a balanced E-sport makes me punch my dog. 😂

Waffennacht

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

Zevrro wrote: »

The fact that there are actually people defending this as a balanced skill is painful.

The fact that you think this whole game is a balanced E-sport makes me punch my dog. 😂

Zevrro

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

Zevrro wrote: »

The fact that there are actually people defending this as a balanced skill is painful.

The fact that you think this whole game is a balanced E-sport makes me punch my dog. 😂

Never said that. Balance isn't something that can be completely achieved but the closer we get the better. Punching your dog won't help.