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Is Necromancer Goliath Bash Spam intended?

  • Beaverton
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    Almost every death recap from last night was filled with Necro Bash. I mean usually there are Dawnbreakers, Eye of the storm, a few gravity crushes thrown in. Not last night. It got boring real fast. Maybe it is time to play something else for awhile.

    The zergs we were fighting had 8-10 BashHos. I assume the one streamer loaded his group up with them in order to document how OP they are and the other didn't do that in order to provide contrast. It was effective.

    This was in no CP. Bollocksdan or whatever it is called.
    Edited by Beaverton on June 22, 2019 4:39PM
    Chook (fill in the blank) or Chookana (likewise): I learn more by dying so teach me some more!
  • Lokey0024
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    holy *** this game is becoming a joke

    Y dey don cC dEm? Lurn 2 play

    Chaosball is great with this btw...
    Edited by Lokey0024 on June 22, 2019 5:29PM
  • Hashtag_
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    Beaverton wrote: »
    Almost every death recap from last night was filled with Necro Bash. I mean usually there are Dawnbreakers, Eye of the storm, a few gravity crushes thrown in. Not last night. It got boring real fast. Maybe it is time to play something else for awhile.

    The zergs we were fighting had 8-10 BashHos. I assume the one streamer loaded his group up with them in order to document how OP they are and the other didn't do that in order to provide contrast. It was effective.

    This was in no CP. Bollocksdan or whatever it is called.
    Nah he just does it to be an a hole because he knows it’s broken.
  • Kartalin
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    Hashtag_ wrote: »
    Beaverton wrote: »
    Almost every death recap from last night was filled with Necro Bash. I mean usually there are Dawnbreakers, Eye of the storm, a few gravity crushes thrown in. Not last night. It got boring real fast. Maybe it is time to play something else for awhile.

    The zergs we were fighting had 8-10 BashHos. I assume the one streamer loaded his group up with them in order to document how OP they are and the other didn't do that in order to provide contrast. It was effective.

    This was in no CP. Bollocksdan or whatever it is called.
    Nah he just does it to be an a hole because he knows it’s broken.

    Absolutely. Pretty sure @Beaverton was being sarcastic there.
    Karllotta, AD Magplar, AR 50
    Kartalin, AD Stamblade, AR 35
    Kharllotta, AD Stamden, AR 32
    Kharinnia, AD MagDK, AR 23
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  • Steelriver
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    I'd rather be bashed to death and die because i didn't move then killed by VD Because some other dude has 10k health and 10 resists.
  • Waffennacht
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    Every BG Pummeling Goliath gets killed after getting little more than a few kills
    Edited by Waffennacht on June 23, 2019 8:33PM
    Gamer tag: ShenronNacht NA Xbox One
    1100+ CP
    Battleground PvP'er
    Shepherd of Rot - Stamina Necromancer BG Archer - No Gank
  • eovogtb16_ESO
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    In case you didn't know ...



    You have to build for it to be OP






    You have to build for it to be OP






    You have to build for it to be OP





    You have to build for it to be OP






    You have to build for it to be OP






    You have to build for it to be OP



    When your out of juice your a wet noodle in the wind.

    Change this or nerf this, the class is a negitive zero in CP PvP - and a joke to be in Cyrodiil. It already is awful to be a stamcro in PvP without using weapon or other abilities that are proven viable already.

    The class is built strictly for PvE trial boss executes - dps tests - and epic Necro role playing. 😂

    But I have no faith left in this community anymore. What ever kills you without a rotation give it to mag players per vicious death. If it's stam nerf it into oblivion so there is even more healbot and block fighting cancer without a good defile.


    And remember -

    You have to build for it to be OP. 🤔


    you definitly do not have to build for it to be OP.

    I equip hulking dragur and spriggans and can bash people for 5-8k a hit and wipe whole zergs, that is with zero reduced bash jewelry and zero done to the gear.
  • Waffennacht
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    .
    In case you didn't know ...



    You have to build for it to be OP






    You have to build for it to be OP






    You have to build for it to be OP





    You have to build for it to be OP






    You have to build for it to be OP






    You have to build for it to be OP



    When your out of juice your a wet noodle in the wind.

    Change this or nerf this, the class is a negitive zero in CP PvP - and a joke to be in Cyrodiil. It already is awful to be a stamcro in PvP without using weapon or other abilities that are proven viable already.

    The class is built strictly for PvE trial boss executes - dps tests - and epic Necro role playing. 😂

    But I have no faith left in this community anymore. What ever kills you without a rotation give it to mag players per vicious death. If it's stam nerf it into oblivion so there is even more healbot and block fighting cancer without a good defile.


    And remember -

    You have to build for it to be OP. 🤔


    you definitly do not have to build for it to be OP.

    I equip hulking dragur and spriggans and can bash people for 5-8k a hit and wipe whole zergs, that is with zero reduced bash jewelry and zero done to the gear.

    I do think it was a joke
    Gamer tag: ShenronNacht NA Xbox One
    1100+ CP
    Battleground PvP'er
    Shepherd of Rot - Stamina Necromancer BG Archer - No Gank
  • Demra
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    When people say just move out what do they mean by it? Can't the goliath "move" after them and use cc as well? What stopping it to move? Cc? Aren't there counters to cc and cc immunity? Out run somebody for 20 seconds is the counter play? Fights don't last this long in no cp. Dodge doesn't work against aoe either. I don't understand.
    Edited by Demra on June 23, 2019 11:09PM
  • Demra
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    Based on last two days in cyrodiil, it seems to me that the group with more goliaths will always prevail.
  • kpittsniperb14_ESO
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    Demra wrote: »
    When people say just move out what do they mean by it? Can't the goliath "move" after them and use cc as well? What stopping it to move? Cc? Aren't there counters to cc and cc immunity? Out run somebody for 20 seconds is the counter play? Fights don't last this long in no cp. Dodge doesn't work against aoe either. I don't understand.

    Not to mention that it being a stamina based class they have easy access to gap closers from the same weapon set they are using to make this build. So on a magicka class you get one dodge roll away if you're on point with situational awareness then gap closed and finished. The skill is an absolute joke at this point with entire zergs running around using this and ZOS is a joke as well for their inability or unwillingness to make adjustments outside of their scheduled 3 month window. Considering that the entire game is a giant dumpster fire after this DLC I doubt this would even be on the front burner anyway so we have a good several months of this nonsense in front of us. At least the crown store is working. YEEEEEAAAAHHH!!!!
    Magicka DK-Rowsdowerr
    Tertiary Meat GM
    "they're going to say, there's Daniel and he has 20 people with him, I want to kill him and there's
    40 more behind me."
    "I'm tired of the BS excuses, if you're going to do what you do at least admit what you're doing"
    YEEEEEAAAAAHHHH!!!
  • kpittsniperb14_ESO
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    Hashtag_ wrote: »
    Beaverton wrote: »
    Almost every death recap from last night was filled with Necro Bash. I mean usually there are Dawnbreakers, Eye of the storm, a few gravity crushes thrown in. Not last night. It got boring real fast. Maybe it is time to play something else for awhile.

    The zergs we were fighting had 8-10 BashHos. I assume the one streamer loaded his group up with them in order to document how OP they are and the other didn't do that in order to provide contrast. It was effective.

    This was in no CP. Bollocksdan or whatever it is called.
    Nah he just does it to be an a hole because he knows it’s broken.

    Oh come on now, he's only running it and streaming to highlight to ZOS how OP it is.
    Magicka DK-Rowsdowerr
    Tertiary Meat GM
    "they're going to say, there's Daniel and he has 20 people with him, I want to kill him and there's
    40 more behind me."
    "I'm tired of the BS excuses, if you're going to do what you do at least admit what you're doing"
    YEEEEEAAAAAHHHH!!!
  • Ankael07
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    Hashtag_ wrote: »
    Beaverton wrote: »
    Almost every death recap from last night was filled with Necro Bash. I mean usually there are Dawnbreakers, Eye of the storm, a few gravity crushes thrown in. Not last night. It got boring real fast. Maybe it is time to play something else for awhile.

    The zergs we were fighting had 8-10 BashHos. I assume the one streamer loaded his group up with them in order to document how OP they are and the other didn't do that in order to provide contrast. It was effective.

    This was in no CP. Bollocksdan or whatever it is called.
    Nah he just does it to be an a hole because he knows it’s broken.

    Oh come on now, he's only running it and streaming to highlight to ZOS how OP it is.

    Except people already highlighted this during PTS. Maybe only shown in 1 on 1 situation but its not that hard to apply that to AvA.

    Every time they need to sell a chapter/dlc they introduce something OP and it gets worse every time.
    Edited by Ankael07 on June 25, 2019 1:04AM
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  • Shokasegambit1
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    I'll tell you what - if this community has can rally complaints about the bash to nerf it. Eso deserves to lose 1/3 of there player base, because of players competency playing TESO. This isn't an Esport - you cannot gauge actual skill on RNG fighting so stop trying to turn it into one.

    Yes in PvP bash is really good, but that's it. That's all it has everything about the class is awful for PvP.

    Players are so quick to jump on this and make logical complaints and why this or why that. Look the game itself and it's entirety lacks performance and the real issues are brushed aside to make purchases.

    I've never been apart of a gaming community that doesn't address real issues first. Or maybe your Esport failures grasping onto redemption and live for this RNG gutiar hero fighting system. I dont know but a necro bash should be your last option, it's funny I remember when people were trying to nerf VD. Didn't work out for a reason I guess lol Same thing...
  • Earthewen
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    Way to go ZOS …

    This sort of thing was done with the Warden when it first came out. The whole MO is rather predictable. Build a DLC that includes a new class that is play-to-win. Make sure it is OP as hell so everyone will want it, but they can only get it if they buy the DLC. Make it the new "easy button" of PvP so everyone will use it, and there ya go. AND make it cheesy as hell so even stupid players can get kills that they couldn't get before.

    And then the next thing is for sure … the cheesiest players who are interested in the newest "easy button" run it constantly out in PvP. No skill required to run it … just bash. People complain about it, oh yes. But the complaints are ignored or it is said "as intended". But don't nerf it! No. Can't do that until the marketing and accounting department says it's finally time because the sales of the new DLC has dropped. They'll nerf it then in preparation for the next "easy button" creation that will lure the cheese players into buying the next DLC.

    End of story
  • Ender1310
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    Why did they make bash off of the light attack cooldown? I think that would fix it. Maybe make it not worth slotting though.
  • wheem_ESO
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    Earthewen wrote: »
    Way to go ZOS …

    This sort of thing was done with the Warden when it first came out. The whole MO is rather predictable. Build a DLC that includes a new class that is play-to-win. Make sure it is OP as hell so everyone will want it, but they can only get it if they buy the DLC. Make it the new "easy button" of PvP so everyone will use it, and there ya go. AND make it cheesy as hell so even stupid players can get kills that they couldn't get before.

    And then the next thing is for sure … the cheesiest players who are interested in the newest "easy button" run it constantly out in PvP. No skill required to run it … just bash. People complain about it, oh yes. But the complaints are ignored or it is said "as intended". But don't nerf it! No. Can't do that until the marketing and accounting department says it's finally time because the sales of the new DLC has dropped. They'll nerf it then in preparation for the next "easy button" creation that will lure the cheese players into buying the next DLC.

    End of story
    Just because one morph of one ultimate is overpowered for stamina builds doesn't mean that the whole class is "pay-to-win." In fact, Magicka Necromancer is basically the worst thing in the game, suffering from both design flaws and very impactful bugs. A multitude of changes need to happen for Necromancers, and the bash spam is just one of them.
  • CompM4s
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    Its a situational build for groups, very ineffective outside of goliath form. Same as any other bomb
  • Waffennacht
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    Just play BGs

    This isn't necessarily a solution to any of your problems

    I just want you to play BGs


    So....


    Play more BGs
    Gamer tag: ShenronNacht NA Xbox One
    1100+ CP
    Battleground PvP'er
    Shepherd of Rot - Stamina Necromancer BG Archer - No Gank
  • Illuvatarr
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    The individual bash damage is fine.The rate at which it can be done allowing zero counterplay is the issue.
  • eovogtb16_ESO
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    Can we get an official response on this?
  • Davadin
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    it just needs a cooldown.

    max 1 per sec. no animation cancelling. make it like Dizzying Swing.
    Praetorian Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Kaalgrontiid
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    Dragonhold 5.2.11 PvP : Medium SnB/2H The Plague Bringer
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  • montiferus
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    Another broken skill in the long line of missteps by ZOS. Every patch there is some new food stamp for the cripples to crutch on and this happens to be it.

    Just for giggles I wanted to test the range radius on this thing. I positioned myself directly behind someone at the top of a resource to see if I could avoid taking damage and guess what. I still got hit! So add 360 degree range to the list of things that are stupid about this ability.
  • Waffennacht
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    I would so love this ability to be changed just so there's no longer any call to P2W type stuff. I'd hope necro gets a little love after such a change. Especially mag necro

    Not entirely sure how to make it better, but definitely would sacrifice this ult for it
    Gamer tag: ShenronNacht NA Xbox One
    1100+ CP
    Battleground PvP'er
    Shepherd of Rot - Stamina Necromancer BG Archer - No Gank
  • Insco851
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    I would so love this ability to be changed just so there's no longer any call to P2W type stuff. I'd hope necro gets a little love after such a change. Especially mag necro

    Not entirely sure how to make it better, but definitely would sacrifice this ult for it

    Stam and mag both are interesting kits that just don’t do much alone. (Besides bash bs)

    They have one of the strongest group ults to use and it’s not easy to line up or get players willing enough to listen to help actually use it.

    How many folks stand in the stationary destro ults? That’s basically the same effect colossus has in open areas.

  • Kartalin
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    Insco851 wrote: »
    How many folks stand in the stationary destro ults? That’s basically the same effect colossus has in open areas.
    The problem is not a single goliath basher open field though. When you get hit by one of these groups they negate, streak and encase you as 3+ bashers roll through and kill you in literally a second.
    Karllotta, AD Magplar, AR 50
    Kartalin, AD Stamblade, AR 35
    Kharllotta, AD Stamden, AR 32
    Kharinnia, AD MagDK, AR 23
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