MagNB - What is our advantage to leverage?

GhostofDatthaw

I think he is taking post 1/2way out if context to make it seem like magnb is op

Koensol

Kaysha wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I want more punch, kill stealing off people is good, but if your group lacks damage I'd like to contribute more offensively.

Iskiab wrote: »

That’s why I like having a damage option

Koensol wrote: »

Very strong heals, decent damage and good mitigation. I feel like I am constantly doing everything, which makes it very engaging.

Iskiab wrote: »

Yea, mixing damage and healing is more fun.

Koensol wrote: »

And swallow soul is the best single target spammable for me. I need the selfheals from it and it puts good pressure on the enemy, while getting me ult gen and giving me the siphoning passive for extra damage.

hmm, right. hasn´t there been someone who said swallow soul is a wasted slot?

That was said about the other morph iirc, funnel health. Which is hot garbage in pvp since the change. Still sad about that. It used to be a unique tool to do damage and add a hot to the group

Iskiab

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

I think he is taking post 1/2way out if context to make it seem like magnb is op

Nah, he plays a magblade. Maybe because I always trash swallow soul but might need to add it.

I tried swallow soul recently and it wasn’t bad. Still testing is it’s the best for my build.

I’ll say one thing, I wouldn’t have said magNB is OP, but man now that I’ve started using harness magicka, dark cloak and keeping my merciless stacks my survivability skyrocketed. Shields alone are okay, shields backed up with high mitigation is amazing.

GhostofDatthaw

Iskiab wrote: »

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

I think he is taking post 1/2way out if context to make it seem like magnb is op

Nah, he plays a magblade. Maybe because I always trash swallow soul but might need to add it.

I tried swallow soul recently and it wasn’t bad. Still testing is it’s the best for my build.

I’ll say one thing, I wouldn’t have said magNB is OP, but man now that I’ve started using harness magicka, dark cloak and keeping my merciless stacks my survivability skyrocketed. Shields alone are okay, shields backed up with high mitigation is amazing.

Ahh yeah ok. Swallow soul I funny, I love the skill. It's definitely they worst damage spammable magnb can use, but the utility from it is amazing, small hot, siphon skill for passives and using it for the ultimate gen passive

Knootewoot

Iskiab wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I want more punch, kill stealing off people is good, but if your group lacks damage I'd like to contribute more offensively.

Iskiab wrote: »

That’s why I like having a damage option

Koensol wrote: »

Very strong heals, decent damage and good mitigation. I feel like I am constantly doing everything, which makes it very engaging.

Iskiab wrote: »

Yea, mixing damage and healing is more fun.

Koensol wrote: »

And swallow soul is the best single target spammable for me. I need the selfheals from it and it puts good pressure on the enemy, while getting me ult gen and giving me the siphoning passive for extra damage.

I don’t get it, what’s the point of the quote?

A frog with tea is a meme, stating:

But That’s None of My Business

Just fyi. Google it.

brandonv516

Feeling very good about my bars:

FB:
Swallow soul
Shadowy disguise
Lotus fan
Elemental drain*
Merciless resolve
ULT: Soul harvest**

BB:
Race against time
Healing ward
Mass hysteria
Shadow image
Siphoning attacks
ULT: Light's Champion

The three bolded skills together create a lethal mixture of debuffs on a target, making their life pretty miserable against me lol.

*I really want to use Debilitate but the animation is so clunky

**Played with the Silence aspect of Incap and it just isn't that valuable long term. However, Reave is good in conjunction with cost return poisons and Siphoning Attacks.

Insco851

brandonv516 wrote: »

Feeling very good about my bars:

FB:
Swallow soul
Shadowy disguise
Lotus fan
Elemental drain*
Merciless resolve
ULT: Soul harvest**

BB:
Race against time
Healing ward
Mass hysteria
Shadow image
Siphoning attacks
ULT: Light's Champion

The three bolded skills together create a lethal mixture of debuffs on a target, making their life pretty miserable against me lol.

*I really want to use Debilitate but the animation is so clunky

**Played with the Silence aspect of Incap and it just isn't that valuable long term. However, Reave is good in conjunction with cost return poisons and Siphoning Attacks.

Flame glyph?

brandonv516

Insco851 wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Feeling very good about my bars:

FB:
Swallow soul
Shadowy disguise
Lotus fan
Elemental drain*
Merciless resolve
ULT: Soul harvest**

BB:
Race against time
Healing ward
Mass hysteria
Shadow image
Siphoning attacks
ULT: Light's Champion

The three bolded skills together create a lethal mixture of debuffs on a target, making their life pretty miserable against me lol.

*I really want to use Debilitate but the animation is so clunky

**Played with the Silence aspect of Incap and it just isn't that valuable long term. However, Reave is good in conjunction with cost return poisons and Siphoning Attacks.

Flame glyph?

Correct. BB is Weapon/Spell damage.

Iskiab

brandonv516 wrote: »

*I really want to use Debilitate but the animation is so clunky

Btw, what’s going on with debilitate and crippling grasp? I was trying it in pvp and it feels like it almost never roots or snares people.

At first I thought it was RAT spam, but now I’m thinking the root or snare doesn’t take if the person has a shield up? Has anyone figured out why it doesn’t seem to be working?

Insco851

Iskiab wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

*I really want to use Debilitate but the animation is so clunky

Btw, what’s going on with debilitate and crippling grasp? I was trying it in pvp and it feels like it almost never roots or snares people.

At first I thought it was RAT spam, but now I’m thinking the root or snare doesn’t take if the person has a shield up? Has anyone figured out why it doesn’t seem to be working?

I switched back to cripple recently and it seems to be working? Less uptime on the root obviously. Right after the patch it didn’t work at all.

brandonv516

Iskiab wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

*I really want to use Debilitate but the animation is so clunky

Btw, what’s going on with debilitate and crippling grasp? I was trying it in pvp and it feels like it almost never roots or snares people.

At first I thought it was RAT spam, but now I’m thinking the root or snare doesn’t take if the person has a shield up? Has anyone figured out why it doesn’t seem to be working?

Does Debilitate even have a snare? If so I hadn't noticed it once.

Insco851

brandonv516 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

*I really want to use Debilitate but the animation is so clunky

Btw, what’s going on with debilitate and crippling grasp? I was trying it in pvp and it feels like it almost never roots or snares people.

At first I thought it was RAT spam, but now I’m thinking the root or snare doesn’t take if the person has a shield up? Has anyone figured out why it doesn’t seem to be working?

Does Debilitate even have a snare? If so I hadn't noticed it once.

50% snare supposedly but I was spamming a Stam sorc RunVx build recently and it didn’t seem to do jack ***

Iskiab

Insco851 wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

*I really want to use Debilitate but the animation is so clunky

Btw, what’s going on with debilitate and crippling grasp? I was trying it in pvp and it feels like it almost never roots or snares people.

At first I thought it was RAT spam, but now I’m thinking the root or snare doesn’t take if the person has a shield up? Has anyone figured out why it doesn’t seem to be working?

Does Debilitate even have a snare? If so I hadn't noticed it once.

50% snare supposedly but I was spamming a Stam sorc RunVx build recently and it didn’t seem to do jack ***

I notice it most against sorcs because they kite so much, that’s what made me think it’s a shield issue. The ability might just be broken though, it’s something that’s almost impossible to test solo.

GhostofDatthaw

Ive noticed something strange with debilitate also, I run it for the magsteal. I also feel it NEVER snares, I thought it was just because everyone and thier brother has snare removal now, but now is test worthy

Iskiab

Sooo....

In case anyone cares, I settled on lotus fan for some added damage.

Since my priority is healing and support I think the minor vulnerability plus aoe dot has worked out the best. I’ll elemental ring with the BRP destro plus lotus fan to add two dots on opposing groups.

Won’t be able to kill anyone solo, but the added dot pressure softens people up for group mates.

Mass Hysteria - Merciless - impale - elemental ring - lotus fan - Ult: Soul Siphon

Healthy Offering - harness magicka - Combat Prayer - refreshing path - dark cloak - Ult: Soul Siphon

Trans+sanctuary+pirate+BRP destro on my damage bar... or I’ll switch it up if I get bored. Sanctuary is probably the best because it boosts team mates self healing, but sometimes I’ll change to swift so I can epeen my healing numbers. It’s hard to break 1 million healing using sanc because team mates heal themselves so much.

Insco851

Iskiab wrote: »

Sooo....

In case anyone cares, I settled on lotus fan for some added damage.

Since my priority is healing and support I think the minor vulnerability plus aoe dot has worked out the best. I’ll elemental ring with the BRP destro plus lotus fan to add two dots on opposing groups.

Won’t be able to kill anyone solo, but the added dot pressure softens people up for group mates.

Mass Hysteria - Merciless - impale - elemental ring - lotus fan - Ult: Soul Siphon

Healthy Offering - harness magicka - Combat Prayer - refreshing path - dark cloak - Ult: Soul Siphon

Trans+sanctuary+pirate+BRP destro on my damage bar... or I’ll switch it up if I get bored. Sanctuary is probably the best because it boosts team mates self healing, but sometimes I’ll change to swift so I can epeen my healing numbers. It’s hard to break 1 million healing using sanc because team mates heal themselves so much.

Would be nice if lotus debuffed everyone hit instead of just the main target tho.

Iskiab

Insco851 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Sooo....

In case anyone cares, I settled on lotus fan for some added damage.

Since my priority is healing and support I think the minor vulnerability plus aoe dot has worked out the best. I’ll elemental ring with the BRP destro plus lotus fan to add two dots on opposing groups.

Won’t be able to kill anyone solo, but the added dot pressure softens people up for group mates.

Mass Hysteria - Merciless - impale - elemental ring - lotus fan - Ult: Soul Siphon

Healthy Offering - harness magicka - Combat Prayer - refreshing path - dark cloak - Ult: Soul Siphon

Trans+sanctuary+pirate+BRP destro on my damage bar... or I’ll switch it up if I get bored. Sanctuary is probably the best because it boosts team mates self healing, but sometimes I’ll change to swift so I can epeen my healing numbers. It’s hard to break 1 million healing using sanc because team mates heal themselves so much.

Would be nice if lotus debuffed everyone hit instead of just the main target tho.

Yea, it would. I mostly use it on people trying to kite or counter pushes.

Miriel

DomiNate4NB wrote: »

I'm trying to understand what our differentiating advantage is over other classes. What works best? Destro/resto, 2h/resto, melee destro/resto? Trying all different combos and none seem to be enough. Primarily damage focused in a tank meta. Reaping all that I sow these days. Thoughts ?

Iwe gone full healing on my mag-NB, i am speed, stealth, lots of health, fairly tanky, and a amcing magica regen to just flood the battlefiel with heals, and even when you run out of magica, you can bomb the battlefield with heals that drain your health... all this while moving under rat and stealth, in speeds some ride...

i dont even have a light or heavy attack, since that is traded for a light and heavy attack that i attack my friends, that heal them and give them major ward and major resolve...

thankyourat

Iskiab wrote: »

Sooo....

In case anyone cares, I settled on lotus fan for some added damage.

Since my priority is healing and support I think the minor vulnerability plus aoe dot has worked out the best. I’ll elemental ring with the BRP destro plus lotus fan to add two dots on opposing groups.

Won’t be able to kill anyone solo, but the added dot pressure softens people up for group mates.

Mass Hysteria - Merciless - impale - elemental ring - lotus fan - Ult: Soul Siphon

Healthy Offering - harness magicka - Combat Prayer - refreshing path - dark cloak - Ult: Soul Siphon

Trans+sanctuary+pirate+BRP destro on my damage bar... or I’ll switch it up if I get bored. Sanctuary is probably the best because it boosts team mates self healing, but sometimes I’ll change to swift so I can epeen my healing numbers. It’s hard to break 1 million healing using sanc because team mates heal themselves so much.

The buff lotus fan provides is huge. Fully buffed the other day I hit some one with a 26k merciless. With minor vulnerability, 20 damage increase from incap and major breach your damage is pretty high. If you haven’t tried it you should try spell power cure. back when I played battlegrounds I use to use trans/SPC/troll king. So basically drop path during a team fight and give your team a ridiculous amount of buffs.

Insco851

thankyourat wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Sooo....

In case anyone cares, I settled on lotus fan for some added damage.

Since my priority is healing and support I think the minor vulnerability plus aoe dot has worked out the best. I’ll elemental ring with the BRP destro plus lotus fan to add two dots on opposing groups.

Won’t be able to kill anyone solo, but the added dot pressure softens people up for group mates.

Mass Hysteria - Merciless - impale - elemental ring - lotus fan - Ult: Soul Siphon

Healthy Offering - harness magicka - Combat Prayer - refreshing path - dark cloak - Ult: Soul Siphon

Trans+sanctuary+pirate+BRP destro on my damage bar... or I’ll switch it up if I get bored. Sanctuary is probably the best because it boosts team mates self healing, but sometimes I’ll change to swift so I can epeen my healing numbers. It’s hard to break 1 million healing using sanc because team mates heal themselves so much.

The buff lotus fan provides is huge. Fully buffed the other day I hit some one with a 26k merciless. With minor vulnerability, 20 damage increase from incap and major breach your damage is pretty high. If you haven’t tried it you should try spell power cure. back when I played battlegrounds I use to use trans/SPC/troll king. So basically drop path during a team fight and give your team a ridiculous amount of buffs.

26k!!??? Lol bro you’re gonna have the forum trolls acting like that’s normal.

thankyourat

Insco851 wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Sooo....

In case anyone cares, I settled on lotus fan for some added damage.

Since my priority is healing and support I think the minor vulnerability plus aoe dot has worked out the best. I’ll elemental ring with the BRP destro plus lotus fan to add two dots on opposing groups.

Won’t be able to kill anyone solo, but the added dot pressure softens people up for group mates.

Mass Hysteria - Merciless - impale - elemental ring - lotus fan - Ult: Soul Siphon

Healthy Offering - harness magicka - Combat Prayer - refreshing path - dark cloak - Ult: Soul Siphon

Trans+sanctuary+pirate+BRP destro on my damage bar... or I’ll switch it up if I get bored. Sanctuary is probably the best because it boosts team mates self healing, but sometimes I’ll change to swift so I can epeen my healing numbers. It’s hard to break 1 million healing using sanc because team mates heal themselves so much.

The buff lotus fan provides is huge. Fully buffed the other day I hit some one with a 26k merciless. With minor vulnerability, 20 damage increase from incap and major breach your damage is pretty high. If you haven’t tried it you should try spell power cure. back when I played battlegrounds I use to use trans/SPC/troll king. So basically drop path during a team fight and give your team a ridiculous amount of buffs.

26k!!??? Lol bro you’re gonna have the forum trolls acting like that’s normal.

Lol I probably should’ve just stayed quiet about that.

Iskiab

thankyourat wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Sooo....

In case anyone cares, I settled on lotus fan for some added damage.

Since my priority is healing and support I think the minor vulnerability plus aoe dot has worked out the best. I’ll elemental ring with the BRP destro plus lotus fan to add two dots on opposing groups.

Won’t be able to kill anyone solo, but the added dot pressure softens people up for group mates.

Mass Hysteria - Merciless - impale - elemental ring - lotus fan - Ult: Soul Siphon

Healthy Offering - harness magicka - Combat Prayer - refreshing path - dark cloak - Ult: Soul Siphon

Trans+sanctuary+pirate+BRP destro on my damage bar... or I’ll switch it up if I get bored. Sanctuary is probably the best because it boosts team mates self healing, but sometimes I’ll change to swift so I can epeen my healing numbers. It’s hard to break 1 million healing using sanc because team mates heal themselves so much.

The buff lotus fan provides is huge. Fully buffed the other day I hit some one with a 26k merciless. With minor vulnerability, 20 damage increase from incap and major breach your damage is pretty high. If you haven’t tried it you should try spell power cure. back when I played battlegrounds I use to use trans/SPC/troll king. So basically drop path during a team fight and give your team a ridiculous amount of buffs.

Hum, someone else mentioned that set recently. Maybe I’ll give it a go, try out another set for shuts and giggles.

Iskiab

Btw, just have to add. After trying lotus fan more I love it. It felt a little clunky at first but once you’re used to it the ability’s amazing for my playstyle.

Everyone healed up - check
Elemental ring for the dot with the BRP staff
Lotus fan whoever someone’s attacking and watch them melt

Think I’ve gone up from maybe 3 killing blows per BG to 6 on average.

Lokey0024

jhall03 wrote: »

Marginis wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

You guys think high offensive pressure? It’s been a while since I’ve tried it, but I think against a magsorc they’d pull the typical shield stack and set you up for burst. Half of what makes sorcs powerful is kiting and stacking shields while setting you up for a burst combo, especially when someone tries to be too aggressive.

I can’t see that strategy working well.

I’d think a better strategy would be to wear them down. Don’t let them sustain through harness magicka and wait until shields are down. I’m not a dueler but that’s their only weakness from what I can see.

Magsorc kinda in its own realm. You’d be hard pressed finding any build that’s just gonna work them up and down.

You’re console aren’t you? Just wait...

Idk how to take this, are they better or worse? Lot of people on console are convinced the pet sorc battlespirit changes are the end of all sorc domination but I’m highly skeptical. If it does impact as big as people are speculating, I imagine a black rose resto would solve the short comings.

He’s been saying they feel stronger yet in the new patch. I couldn’t even imagine. - me thinks it’s just the population catching up to the pet sorc meta- as well as crutch DK mains switching to another giant crutch.

Console tends to be behind the meta in all regards, but I'd also like to point out that console players have a tendency to overuse low skillcap strategies and builds. If something is deemed overpowered on console, it's likely just that console players are less skilled or simply uninformed.

By less skilled do you mean not having add ons with buff timers, mouse accuracy/speed, custom button mapping, 60+ FPS, I could go on..

If so, I agree.

There are macro users on console too. You can use xim4 or other adapters and cheese your way to win. Alot of people do btw.

kaithuzar

@Iskiab
Just be careful where you lotus fan into ie... don’t go right into a Goliath/colossus (from necro).

Iskiab

kaithuzar wrote: »

@Iskiab
Just be careful where you lotus fan into ie... don’t go right into a Goliath/colossus (from necro).

Agreed, now that the bash build has been nerfed I’m seeing it more. That major vuln is nasty.

jhall03

Lokey0024 wrote: »

jhall03 wrote: »

Marginis wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

You guys think high offensive pressure? It’s been a while since I’ve tried it, but I think against a magsorc they’d pull the typical shield stack and set you up for burst. Half of what makes sorcs powerful is kiting and stacking shields while setting you up for a burst combo, especially when someone tries to be too aggressive.

I can’t see that strategy working well.

I’d think a better strategy would be to wear them down. Don’t let them sustain through harness magicka and wait until shields are down. I’m not a dueler but that’s their only weakness from what I can see.

Magsorc kinda in its own realm. You’d be hard pressed finding any build that’s just gonna work them up and down.

You’re console aren’t you? Just wait...

Idk how to take this, are they better or worse? Lot of people on console are convinced the pet sorc battlespirit changes are the end of all sorc domination but I’m highly skeptical. If it does impact as big as people are speculating, I imagine a black rose resto would solve the short comings.

He’s been saying they feel stronger yet in the new patch. I couldn’t even imagine. - me thinks it’s just the population catching up to the pet sorc meta- as well as crutch DK mains switching to another giant crutch.

Console tends to be behind the meta in all regards, but I'd also like to point out that console players have a tendency to overuse low skillcap strategies and builds. If something is deemed overpowered on console, it's likely just that console players are less skilled or simply uninformed.

By less skilled do you mean not having add ons with buff timers, mouse accuracy/speed, custom button mapping, 60+ FPS, I could go on..

If so, I agree.

There are macro users on console too. You can use xim4 or other adapters and cheese your way to win. Alot of people do btw.

I know, and it's often obvious. Still doesn't change anything I said.

Bazeric

Nothing, still *** class.

Insco851

Bazeric wrote: »

Nothing, still *** class.

The class is levels better than it has been in 6 months.

thankyourat

Bazeric wrote: »

Nothing, still *** class.

The snare immunity and wings change alone made magblade quality of life much better. Just because the class isn’t OP like some other classes doesn’t mean it’s a bad class