The state of Cyrodiil, 10 days in to Faction Lock
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Sanctum74✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I've made my point quite clearly, if you can't understand objective based gameplay and the sole purpose of cyrodiil then there's really no use going back and forth with you. Have a great night.
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Telel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Haashhtaag wrote: »False. Look at scoring DC is getting destroyed. We predicted this because the amount of EP and AD fan boys there are and it’s how it was in the beginning.
History is just repeating itself and “pro-lock” people are ignorant enough to not recognize it.
Actually they've been destroyed in the past too on Vivec. Not because of a lack of population but merely because so many bloops just want to fight empty keeps. Then when they have to engage opponents they fade away. Usually going to other servers until they can get a few raids together to hit another keep that lacks any real defense.
The few that stick around tend to just flee from their own keeps. Then they'd either end up sitting in towers down in the land of the Dumbminion. Or huddling in AD's zone chat bragging about their greatness. Which they'd do even when it means their own side was losing all its keeps, teheir scrolls, and the griffs got EMP. Again.
Or at least that is how it's been for the majority of the last two years on Vivec when Telel was on.
The times the bloops have won have been solely due to organized guilds leading the charge over night for them. Once they left or switched to the outnumbered side the old blue troupe scuttled off to PVdoor some other campaign instead.
Hence why so many jokingly refer to the blue team as the minor leagues of Team Purple. Along with other far more amusing but far FAR more TOS violating titles.
The good news is that due to faction locks keeping the fair weather folks from freely switching sides those 'purple' PVdoor blobs now don't start showing up until around Prime time. Roughly the same time Army of The Crash (and sub raids like Vae Victis) also begin to deploy superior 'skill' into the campaign.
Which means Faction lock has done what most thought it would. Which was to diminish the capacity of poor sports to exploit a system that the immature and spitfeul chose to abuse to its breaking point.
That it exaggerates certain guilds, and teams reliance on the 'strategy' of server crushing numbers is just icing on the cake.
Character: Telel
Class: Night Blade-Werewolf-viking-ninja-catgirl-mallet wielder
Past times: Refusing to go full magika spec, hitting things with a big hammer, sniping, and speaking in khajiit
Also: Gelel the Derp Knight, Altsel the streaker, and Filafel the temp temp.
Khajiit has a twitch stream! https://twitch.tv/telel_khajiit feel free to come see how truly unskilled Telel is.6 -
Miriel✭✭✭✭
It's like you read nothing above, how is anyone playing multiple factions affecting you? There's been no change at all!
Its a preference, some like apples, some like oranges, i dont like faction hopping and so do alot of other people, clearly since they play in the campaign thats faction locked... you have a campaign for flip-floppers, got there... i want to keep the new 30 day faction locked campaign...
want a flipflop 30day campaign, ask ZOS for it, but stop trying to take away what i and others wantEdited by Miriel on June 2, 2019 12:44AM6 -
Miriel✭✭✭✭
I think you assume a bit too much about my personal game play considering I only ever play one faction at a time for a considerable amount of time, ie 9 month blocks. I'm speaking for my friends, who play objectives on whatever faction they partake in.
You say the majority want to play the game "as intended", well firstly, prove it, secondly, the game has always been played as intended, people didn't hack their way into playing multi factions, ZOS gave us the choice to do so. They haven't stopped PVE from being multifaction, which miffs me.
People can choose a faction locked campaig, and a no-locked camapign, the proof is that peopel choose the locked camapign... Ifthere was so many and it was so important to play with flipflopping then they would fill up the flipflop campaign, their not... ergo, they cant be that many that thinks flip flopping is imporant...Edited by Miriel on June 2, 2019 12:51AM5 -
Telel✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Miriel you shouldn't enage with people who're just trying to get another thread shut down. They don't bring anything to the discussion that you haven't seen already.
Let's just focus on how amusing it is that some people have to put so much energy into demeaning others when they could instead put that energy into playing a (Relaitively simple) video game with their friends.
Oh, and on how the massive server crushing zergs and zone trolls have less capacity now. A good first step that ZOS will hopefully continue on with.
Preferably with stricter supervision over the more malodorous delinquents.Character: Telel
Class: Night Blade-Werewolf-viking-ninja-catgirl-mallet wielder
Past times: Refusing to go full magika spec, hitting things with a big hammer, sniping, and speaking in khajiit
Also: Gelel the Derp Knight, Altsel the streaker, and Filafel the temp temp.
Khajiit has a twitch stream! https://twitch.tv/telel_khajiit feel free to come see how truly unskilled Telel is.5 -
WuffyCerulei✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I will say, a fair amount of people have been doing non-pvp related things. Happens a lot when a new storyline is dropped. I haven’t really touched Cyrodiil since Elsweyr dropped.Sorcerer's pretty much been the same for years. Nerf Rush of Agony and Saints&Seducer's3 -
Tsuriel✭✭✭Collectively, neither side is right or wrong. It's just personal preference.
The party responsible for the issues related to this change and all problems in Cyrodiil is ZOS.
Historically in MMOs the loudmouths are usually the ones behind these type of downfall changes and it won't get any better from here on.
Edited by Tsuriel on June 2, 2019 2:56AM2 -
Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Haashhtaag wrote: »
Nothing has changed, you all are just experiencing what has already failed before.
But this time, it's new and improved!bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »It's not a tie across-the-board, but it's not a slaughter either. A lot of what we are hearing is that off-hours activity is skewing the scoreboard. That's a legitimate concern, but it's not really a concern that relates to faction locks. The solution to people painting the map one color overnight is definitely not to allow people to play all sides of the campaign.
You're wrong. It's been explained to you numerous times why.2 -
zyk✭✭✭✭✭
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That's what everyone thinks about every decision they don't like. Was ZOS also listening to the loudmouths when they removed the previous faction lock?Historically in MMOs the loudmouths are usually the ones behind these type of downfall changes and it won't get any better from here on.
It's an invalid pov because neither side is inherently correct. There are pros and cons to each approach and pretty much everyone is making a biased argument according to which system suits them best.
Regardless of what motivated the change, ZOS is still to blame for making it and for doing it so poorly. They had to know it would be contentious yet made no effort to reduce the pain caused to players who have been negatively impacted. Even if one prefers locks, they should recognize this isn't how a company should treat its customers.4 -
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Yes, a lot of unsubstantiated nonsense has been posted trying to refute the basic facts I have been claiming. The point of this thread is to provide data to back up my claims, and to irrefutably prove you incorrect. Feel free to post some data of your own, or just keep blindly saying that I am wrong because you have nothing.You're wrong. It's been explained to you numerous times why.
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IxSTALKERxI✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Last night we watched an "AD" find Volundrung or however it's spelled and take it straight to EP and give it to them.
So much for faction locks and fair "game play"
From now on there will be no fair and even game play. AD an DC have no chance whatsoever. More people will roll over to EP because EP will win every campaign unless something is done to address population imbalance.
Also so much for the IC population causing imbalance. Can't state that as an excuse any more.
That is normal. People pick up the volendrung, go to attack the enemy (which you need to do) and die, giving it to them in the process.
It's very convenient when EP and DC bring the volendrung straight to me.
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FearlessOne_2014✭✭✭✭✭
✭IronWooshu wrote: »this is the perfect opportunity for ZOS to make faction swap tokens.
I would love to swap the only 3 AD characters on my account to EP to have 16 EP characters.
So you get a +1 from me.1 -
DisgracefulMind✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭IronWooshu wrote: »this is the perfect opportunity for ZOS to make faction swap tokens.
And the real reason is revealed! I guarantee they're working on faction swap tokens. Just takes time with their awful coding. I bet they'll be on the crown store. So they didn't really put in oppressive locks because someone screamed louder than the other. It's all about that $$$Unfortunate magicka warden main.
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Minyassa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭And I wonder how many people hate the faction lock and aren't playing in the unlocked campaigns because why bother, as I've heard many anti-lock people say they are doing, and as I and some friends wound up.1 -
SilverPaws✭✭✭✭✭I've made my point quite clearly, if you can't understand objective based gameplay and the sole purpose of cyrodiil then there's really no use going back and forth with you. Have a great night.
I must always laugh when zerglings say they play aliance war and for "objectives". Yet here on PC EU whole aliances are unable to deff keeps or have any tactical thinking. We are taking keeps and outposts regulary as 4 small group and no one comes to deff, because you all are busy fighting and chasing solo players or small scallers over map
All you do is stack on one place, because that is all you can do and then you create unnecesary lag and make game less pleasant.2 -
Sanctum74✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭SilverPaws wrote: »
I must always laugh when zerglings say they play aliance war and for "objectives". Yet here on PC EU whole aliances are unable to deff keeps or have any tactical thinking. We are taking keeps and outposts regulary as 4 small group and no one comes to deff, because you all are busy fighting and chasing solo players or small scallers over map
All you do is stack on one place, because that is all you can do and then you create unnecesary lag and make game less pleasant.
Nice try, I play solo and I am always the one with a few others trying to defend against or getting chased by zergs. I'm also the one that will keep pushing by myself until the keep flags while others hide on the wall light attacking so sorry if you are confused about my play style.
Even as a solo player I have enough sense to understand the benefits of playing the campaign and trying to keep the map healthy.
One thing you are right about though is I do occasionally chase small scalers. I always find it hilarious when a group of 4-6 "elites" run from 1-2 skilled players that aren't even grouped up.
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Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭SilverPaws wrote: »Every morning on PC EU it's yellow map, while ep and dc are gate camped. Nice action Then dc or ep zergs map and gate camps AD. Huge imbalance in population at certain times. And of course faction locks didn't solved anything than making pvp even more flustrating.
That's going to happen on NA soon enough, just wait... 2 -
Telel✭✭✭✭✭
✭SilverPaws wrote: »
I must always laugh when zerglings say they play aliance war and for "objectives". Yet here on PC EU whole aliances are unable to deff keeps or have any tactical thinking. We are taking keeps and outposts regulary as 4 small group and no one comes to deff, because you all are busy fighting and chasing solo players or small scallers over map
All you do is stack on one place, because that is all you can do and then you create unnecesary lag and make game less pleasant.
Nope. At least not on PC anyways. It's mostly the 'wanting to play with friends' types who send eighteen people to fight the two folks who've taken a resource.
And in case you think khajiit isn't being honest with you. They brought gifts to show they do indeed play for objectives, and do not in fact spend their entire time chasing one person with a 'zerg'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPdnHyMVCNg&t=555s
Character: Telel
Class: Night Blade-Werewolf-viking-ninja-catgirl-mallet wielder
Past times: Refusing to go full magika spec, hitting things with a big hammer, sniping, and speaking in khajiit
Also: Gelel the Derp Knight, Altsel the streaker, and Filafel the temp temp.
Khajiit has a twitch stream! https://twitch.tv/telel_khajiit feel free to come see how truly unskilled Telel is.4 -
DisgracefulMind✭✭✭✭✭
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Nope. At least not on PC anyways. It's mostly the 'wanting to play with friends' types who send eighteen people to fight the two folks who've taken a resource.
And in case you think khajiit isn't being honest with you. They brought gifts to show they do indeed play for objectives, and do not in fact spend their entire time chasing one person with a 'zerg'.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPdnHyMVCNg&t=555s
I mean, chasing 4-5 isn't much more than 2 :PUnfortunate magicka warden main.
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Fairweather Friends
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Telel✭✭✭✭✭
✭DisgracefulMind wrote: »
I mean, chasing 4-5 isn't much more than 2 :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7suOkTM0Oo&t=1019s
EDIT: Just to keep things relevant to the new Kallgrontiid campaign.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv640QTDEt8
Edited by Telel on June 3, 2019 3:12AMCharacter: Telel
Class: Night Blade-Werewolf-viking-ninja-catgirl-mallet wielder
Past times: Refusing to go full magika spec, hitting things with a big hammer, sniping, and speaking in khajiit
Also: Gelel the Derp Knight, Altsel the streaker, and Filafel the temp temp.
Khajiit has a twitch stream! https://twitch.tv/telel_khajiit feel free to come see how truly unskilled Telel is.0 -
Ghostbane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Dear @ZOS_BrianWheeler
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Everyone will be happy.
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✭bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »All in all, things are looking pretty good in Cyrodiil.
Except the fact that it is not playable to players who doesnt live in their mama basement, ya sure, its fine.
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Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What's hilarious is....EP won the most before Faction Lock, and yet...people are like "see this proves faction lock is bad!"
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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InvictusApollo✭✭✭✭✭
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That is false. Faction locked campaigns are popular because they are the only 30 day campaigns that we have. And 30 days campaigns were allways more popular. We could test faction lock popularity only if we had 4 30 days campaigns: two with and two without faction lock.bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »A ) Faction locked campaigns are popular while the Faction unlocked campaign is not.
Not yet. Gating emerged after some time when we had the faction lock for the first time. It emerged because new players were asking: "which faction should I choose?" And people were answering: "the one with biggest population".bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »B ) The situation on the map is competitive. No one is getting "gated".
If EP is pop locked, dominates score wise but doesn't have more keeps than other alliances then this could only mean that EP has more players who play off prime time and increase their score. This might be because EP probably has the biggest population of all alliances.bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »C ) EP is dominating score-wise, but not on the ground during prime time. They also do not have the most combined boots on the ground.
I can't play in Cyrodill with 25% of my characters and almost half of my chars are stuck in CP campaign that is not as enjoyable to me as noCP campaign. I wouldn't call that "pretty good". And before you say: "take your 25% chars to 7 day campaign" - it has not enough people to bother with. I go to Cyrodill to fight, not to explore a barren realm.bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »All in all, things are looking pretty good in Cyrodiil.
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