22,250 crowns for skyshard packs and 11,700 crowns for any race any faction? Is this a joke?

Bloodraven187

If you hate the game and company that much, why are you still here? maybe instead of spreading toxicity in the forums you should go looking for that new game you think is better from that other company that puts out better product and leave the rest of us who do enjoy the game alone.

SirGabenOfSteamia

Didn't the "any-race any-alliance" thing used to come with the Imperial upgrade that was only like 1500 crowns or something?

Desicration89

All these hardcore players on here are either forgetting or ignoring a big problem that cheap skyshards or full account skyshard unlocks cause for the game. I was about to not buy Elsywer until they removed skyshard purchases, but now that I know how much money IRL it costs to max out shards on a new character without exploring I can accept this change.

The main problem I had with buying skyshards is it ruins non-endgame PvP for all new players who haven't previously discovered skyshards on their main. If the skyshard packs were cheap then all PvP would be filled with experienced players gaping all new players. Not only, in general, are the more experienced better at the subtle mechanics of combat, but now they have a boatload more skills and passives than you. This alone would turn off new players to go back to whatever MMORPG they were playing before if PvP is a primary intent of the player.

JKorr

Desicration89 wrote: »

All these hardcore players on here are either forgetting or ignoring a big problem that cheap skyshards or full account skyshard unlocks cause for the game. I was about to not buy Elsywer until they removed skyshard purchases, but now that I know how much money IRL it costs to max out shards on a new character without exploring I can accept this change.

The main problem I had with buying skyshards is it ruins non-endgame PvP for all new players who haven't previously discovered skyshards on their main. If the skyshard packs were cheap then all PvP would be filled with experienced players gaping all new players. Not only, in general, are the more experienced better at the subtle mechanics of combat, but now they have a boatload more skills and passives than you. This alone would turn off new players to go back to whatever MMORPG they were playing before if PvP is a primary intent of the player.

How can buying skyshards ruin non-endgame pvp for all new players who *haven't* previously found the skyshards on at least one character? You can't buy one of the skyshard zones until you've found it on at least one character...... They can't buy them, so how can anything be ruined?

Grandma

it's been a few days and i bought a few packs so here's my thoughts.

1) nobody every at any point forced you to spend any money. Don't kid yourself.
2) Grinding skyshards has been easier than ever before; addons, one tamriel,, content being ez pz and soloable, etc. It's seriously not even that bad of a grind. "they just monotized it because they know people don't like doing pointless grinds" okay
a. yeah people don't like doing it. so now they get to pay if they don't want to do it.
b. EVERYTHING is a pointless grind if you whine hard enough, and trust me most of these people are. first it's 1-50 is a pointless grind, then skyshards, then trials, then gear, then dungeons, then pvp, then literally all content is a pointless grind because surprise surprise people are still blind to the reality that all consumable content was designed to be done once, and then if you really get addicted to it you're kinda screwed and forced to do stuff you'e already done. that's how video games - no, all entertainment has always been, since history. Now that we have more options and can pay out of it people feel like they're being forced to because they just don't like to do the same things a few times.
c. if you want to remove skyshards fine, but you're ruining the game. full stop. ruined.
3) maybe, just maybe- hear me out here- you're not expected to buy ALL the skyshard packs.
be real with me here. How often do you grind *EVERY SINGLE SKYSHARD IN THE GAME* on an alt? On my main who has all crafting i did it and she still has 20 extra skill points, even with guilds/crafting/class/weapon/armor skills. you don't need EVERY skill point in the game on EVERY alt. Stop making it sound worse than it is. If you're making an alt you don't need any crafting, you can skip some skills you know you won't use, and you can just grind the rest of the skyshards if you buy some. Literally. I don't know why people see this as an all-or-nothing deal. You can buy just one pack of shards for a zone you hate and get 6 skill points. that's sure as hell what i did. I don't like grinding greenshade and grahtwood because there's never any guildies there to tp to and they're hard to navigate. So i just bought them. now i don't have to grind them. *Gasp* What?! i didn't spend 200$ to buy a ludicrous amount of skill points i don't need on a level 5 character? How on earth did I do that?!?!!? What do you mean you can just buy one zone and then grind the rest later? impossible!
4) given the logic i set up remaining true for pretty much every "grind" in the game (psijic, mages, etc) i wouldn't be surprised if they made those buyable as well. and guess what? i might buy them. If you don't have the self control or budget to buy these things then literally just do not do it. I know our generation was raised to buy everything they want on a whim because we were restrained from things being bought for us as kids and not having any of our needs met so we overcompensate, but seriously just don't. just don't do it if you don't want to spend the money, nobody forced you to.
5) grinding skyshards didn't just suddenly get harder. It remained the same.

JKorr

SirGabenOfSteamia wrote: »

Didn't the "any-race any-alliance" thing used to come with the Imperial upgrade that was only like 1500 crowns or something?

1500 or 1900 crowns, yes. With the new bundle they threw in the alliance warhorse that cost 2500 crowns, the outfit that was like another 1000, the hat, a race change token, experience scrolls, and treasure maps. Costs slightly more than the original version, but has more stuff. Good if you wanted the extra stuff, meh if you didn't.

CleymenZero

Grandma wrote: »

it's been a few days and i bought a few packs so here's my thoughts.

1) nobody every at any point forced you to spend any money. Don't kid yourself.
2) Grinding skyshards has been easier than ever before; addons, one tamriel,, content being ez pz and soloable, etc. It's seriously not even that bad of a grind. "they just monotized it because they know people don't like doing pointless grinds" okay
a. yeah people don't like doing it. so now they get to pay if they don't want to do it.
b. EVERYTHING is a pointless grind if you whine hard enough, and trust me most of these people are. first it's 1-50 is a pointless grind, then skyshards, then trials, then gear, then dungeons, then pvp, then literally all content is a pointless grind because surprise surprise people are still blind to the reality that all consumable content was designed to be done once, and then if you really get addicted to it you're kinda screwed and forced to do stuff you'e already done. that's how video games - no, all entertainment has always been, since history. Now that we have more options and can pay out of it people feel like they're being forced to because they just don't like to do the same things a few times.
c. if you want to remove skyshards fine, but you're ruining the game. full stop. ruined.
3) maybe, just maybe- hear me out here- you're not expected to buy ALL the skyshard packs.
be real with me here. How often do you grind *EVERY SINGLE SKYSHARD IN THE GAME* on an alt? On my main who has all crafting i did it and she still has 20 extra skill points, even with guilds/crafting/class/weapon/armor skills. you don't need EVERY skill point in the game on EVERY alt. Stop making it sound worse than it is. If you're making an alt you don't need any crafting, you can skip some skills you know you won't use, and you can just grind the rest of the skyshards if you buy some. Literally. I don't know why people see this as an all-or-nothing deal. You can buy just one pack of shards for a zone you hate and get 6 skill points. that's sure as hell what i did. I don't like grinding greenshade and grahtwood because there's never any guildies there to tp to and they're hard to navigate. So i just bought them. now i don't have to grind them. *Gasp* What?! i didn't spend 200$ to buy a ludicrous amount of skill points i don't need on a level 5 character? How on earth did I do that?!?!!? What do you mean you can just buy one zone and then grind the rest later? impossible!
4) given the logic i set up remaining true for pretty much every "grind" in the game (psijic, mages, etc) i wouldn't be surprised if they made those buyable as well. and guess what? i might buy them. If you don't have the self control or budget to buy these things then literally just do not do it. I know our generation was raised to buy everything they want on a whim because we were restrained from things being bought for us as kids and not having any of our needs met so we overcompensate, but seriously just don't. just don't do it if you don't want to spend the money, nobody forced you to.
5) grinding skyshards didn't just suddenly get harder. It remained the same.

The reasoning of buying a few pack here and there is EXACTLY why they made this feature this way. Over time, with your 1 pack here and 1 pack there, you won't realize you put more than 20k on this.

Most people don't look at value, they just look at the convenience side of it. You don't realize when you bought a zone that you just spent 4$, it's only 800 Crowns here and there! You need 20 skill points? At 3.33 points per zone, you just need to buy 6 zones. Ain't nothing there, just 35-50$ right (depending on your currency)? You want more? Pay up!

Now do that on say, 2-3 toons. It'll go up quickly.

I just think it's bad business. When you offer convenience but it isn't a good proposition and there's no way around it (except not making it a convenience anymore => grinding skyshards) it's bad business. I mean, I'm gonna give them my money if they make it worth my while. I'll give em 30-40k Crowns for them to unlock every skyshard on my account.

So no one is forcing me to buy it, I WANT to buy it but I'm not ok with the price hence why I find the 22.25k Crowns PER CHARACTER ludicrous.

You can negotiate for products and service EVERYWHERE in the world except for digital items. The "no one is forcing you to buy it" mentality is not viable for the user base in general. You think 4$ for 3.3 skill points is fine but a lot don't. They're not complaining about being forced to buy it, they're complaining about the price. Since it is a digital good with no intermediary, there is no way for us to negotiate and we are forced to raise concerns and voice our opinions.

A lot of people miss the point of this thread. It doesn't help that about 30% of the forum users this is p2w, another misunderstanding.

Ydrisselle

SirGabenOfSteamia wrote: »

Didn't the "any-race any-alliance" thing used to come with the Imperial upgrade that was only like 1500 crowns or something?

Nope. Any Race Any Alliance was 1900 crowns, Imperial was - and is - 2100 Crowns.

Korah_Eaglecry

Bloodraven187 wrote: »

If you hate the game and company that much, why are you still here? maybe instead of spreading toxicity in the forums you should go looking for that new game you think is better from that other company that puts out better product and leave the rest of us who do enjoy the game alone.

Righty O. Only praise and blind loyalty allowed here! No place for dissent or complaints.



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Vapirko

I bought less than 1k worth of skyshards to round off my new Templar because I was tired of collecting them and I’m good with that. No ones forcing you to buy them all. And the any race any alliance pack is 2k in the crown store.

Ixilith

Lmfao. What is this,

You have read this entirely wrong, the adventurers pack is 11,000 crowns worth of stuff for the price of 2,000 the actual any race any faction ability alone isn’t 11,000 and once the deal goes it will prolly have a seperate fee, prolly also 2000 u just won’t get the additional goodies for the same price.

ESO+ god forbid they encourage you to actually subscribe like every other mmorpg does, some enforce it to even log in. So realistically I don’t see your problem here. Subscriptions for more invested players has always been a thing for as long as this genre has existed.

Skyshards, there for alt characters. If your so persistent to not get them you could merely buy them on ur alt each month and do the easier zones manually in between. The simple case is it’s a MMORPG, there not built with alt friendliness in espically sandbox MMORPGs. If you could purchase these without achievements I’d agree with you on this. But however this would only be nessercary if your entirely rerolling which in that case you still get skill point rewards from a lot of quests throughout the story lines so would have to recomplete the lands anyway.

Is skyshards in the crownstore a good idea? Nah, but it’s also a worthless concept reguardless so you shouldn’t be buying them reguardless of rerolling lol.

JumpmanLane

ZOS can hold on to those skyshards lol.

dengodadegen

Knew a guy that paid 10-20 something, Dreugh Wax on ps4 to a guy for gamesharing and doing his lorebooks and skyshards.
If you ask me, this crownstore option is an improvement for not just them lazy ***.
It keeps that bs out of the game for us others who suffered this whole "which one of them is on that account" ***.
PS4 early days was FULL of that stuff.

So to me, this is a step in the right direction.
Also, doesnt the whole gold4cash or vice versa people got this skyshard thing under control since release?
People buy games to only get rewards and satisfaction. Then the stress to reach the endgame let alone be apart of it is hightening more and more. The whole game becomes a job and then the game introduces a shortcut for cash, its been that way since people learned they'll be accepted as lazy *** and that they can point fingers at microtransactions for being the badguy, When there is a free and fair alternative to get what you needed aswell.

Goregrinder

Well I currently have 11,000 crowns, so I just need to buy 22,000 more, so I am good.

JKorr

Ixilith wrote: »

Lmfao. What is this,

You have read this entirely wrong, the adventurers pack is 11,000 crowns worth of stuff for the price of 2,000 the actual any race any faction ability alone isn’t 11,000 and once the deal goes it will prolly have a seperate fee, prolly also 2000 u just won’t get the additional goodies for the same price.

ESO+ god forbid they encourage you to actually subscribe like every other mmorpg does, some enforce it to even log in. So realistically I don’t see your problem here. Subscriptions for more invested players has always been a thing for as long as this genre has existed.

Skyshards, there for alt characters. If your so persistent to not get them you could merely buy them on ur alt each month and do the easier zones manually in between. The simple case is it’s a MMORPG, there not built with alt friendliness in espically sandbox MMORPGs. If you could purchase these without achievements I’d agree with you on this. But however this would only be nessercary if your entirely rerolling which in that case you still get skill point rewards from a lot of quests throughout the story lines so would have to recomplete the lands anyway.

Is skyshards in the crownstore a good idea? Nah, but it’s also a worthless concept reguardless so you shouldn’t be buying them reguardless of rerolling lol.

From the dev post, that's the permanent price. Sarah Heckler replied.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6067466/#Comment_6067466

Hey all, just to clear up some confusion here. The price you see on the Any Race, Any Alliance bundle is its permanent price. It's meant to display the total value of the bundle, rather than a sale (which is why there's no timer.)

SirGabenOfSteamia

Ydrisselle wrote: »

SirGabenOfSteamia wrote: »

Didn't the "any-race any-alliance" thing used to come with the Imperial upgrade that was only like 1500 crowns or something?

Nope. Any Race Any Alliance was 1900 crowns, Imperial was - and is - 2100 Crowns.

Mb, it was the adventurer upgrade that came with the any race any alliance upgrade for 1900, not the Imperial upgrade for 1500. But still, that's like a 9000 crown difference between then and now.

Ydrisselle

SirGabenOfSteamia wrote: »

Ydrisselle wrote: »

SirGabenOfSteamia wrote: »

Didn't the "any-race any-alliance" thing used to come with the Imperial upgrade that was only like 1500 crowns or something?

Nope. Any Race Any Alliance was 1900 crowns, Imperial was - and is - 2100 Crowns.

Mb, it was the adventurer upgrade that came with the any race any alliance upgrade for 1900, not the Imperial upgrade for 1500. But still, that's like a 9000 crown difference between then and now.

You are right. However the current pack is 2000 crowns, and it gives you a mount, a pet, a costume and a hat too, which were sold separately before.

Facefister

The more "optional" crown-store items you have the less "mandatory" game content you'll get. Just compare the "Chapter" Elsweyr with the DLC Orsinium.