22,250 crowns for skyshard packs and 11,700 crowns for any race any faction? Is this a joke?

JKorr

pauli133 wrote: »

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

Jesus Christ. That's almost $250 in crowns. This is indefensible.

It's entirely defensible:

1. It's optional.
2. It requires that you've already collected the skyshards on another character.
3. it's optional.
4. it's granular to the zone level; you won't find many people buying the full set.
5. it's optional.
6. Given point #2, it doesn't prey on new players: you've done it once, so you know what you're getting into.
7. It's optional.

Don't like it, don't buy it. I won't, but I'm certainly not troubled by a pay-to-catch-up mechanic. There are drastically bigger issues in ESO I can spend my time worrying about.

Basically this. The only ones I'd buy are the ones I can't buy, because I haven't completed those zones yet. And Cyrodiil I'm likely never to finish.

TheRealPotoroo

FleetwoodSmack wrote: »

Bam_Bam wrote: »

agegarton wrote: »

The price to unlock Skyshards is about where I thought they'd land - if anything, it's a bit cheaper than I had thought.

The price to unlock Any Race, Any Alliance, is absolutely ludicrous to the extent that I am wondering if it is a typo? Almost 12k Crowns surely can't be right.

@ZOS_GinaBruno is this a typo - is almost 12k Crowns right for Any Race, Any Alliance? If that is correct, can you please ask someone to explain why so much?

Thank you.

12k for the BUNDLE - Any race, any alliance AND Race & Name Change Token, 3 Experience Scrolls, and a collection of Treasure Maps.

According to the Crown Store, the Adventure Pack is only up for a couple more hours; https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/crownstore/item/39?adventurer-pack

So unless they're replacing it, we still have a right to question it.

WTF???

Why would they end a sale coincident with the scheduled update (hence non-playable) window? I'm only at 30% of the update process and there's 2 minutes left? That's either insane or evil, I'm not sure which.

StormeReigns

Careful for what you wish for, you just might get it.

rynth

FleetwoodSmack wrote: »

rynth wrote: »

Race and alliance change should be expensive that way you don’t have people constantly flip flopping around especially changing alliances at a whim. Like everyone else if you don’t like the price don’t buy it grow up

You can't change alliance with Any Race, Any Alliance. All it allows you to do is change your race regardless OF alliance. So if you made an Orc in Daggerfall, bought the package, you'd still be stuck with Daggerfall no matter the race you swapped to. There's never been and probably never will be a way to change alliances.

my bad thank you for correcting me, what I get for answering something first thing in the morning with only a few hours sleep

FleetwoodSmack

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

FleetwoodSmack wrote: »

Bam_Bam wrote: »

agegarton wrote: »

The price to unlock Skyshards is about where I thought they'd land - if anything, it's a bit cheaper than I had thought.

The price to unlock Any Race, Any Alliance, is absolutely ludicrous to the extent that I am wondering if it is a typo? Almost 12k Crowns surely can't be right.

@ZOS_GinaBruno is this a typo - is almost 12k Crowns right for Any Race, Any Alliance? If that is correct, can you please ask someone to explain why so much?

Thank you.

12k for the BUNDLE - Any race, any alliance AND Race & Name Change Token, 3 Experience Scrolls, and a collection of Treasure Maps.

According to the Crown Store, the Adventure Pack is only up for a couple more hours; https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/crownstore/item/39?adventurer-pack

So unless they're replacing it, we still have a right to question it.

WTF???

Why would they end a sale even before most people have had the chance to update and log in? I'm only at 30% of the update process and there's 2 minutes left? That's either insane or evil, I'm not sure which.

I'm pretty sure they're replacing it with the new bundle which will be priced at 2,000 crowns. My advice, BUY THE NEW ONE. You'll get more bang for your buck. Went through and calculated on what SEEMED like what they did and came out with like a 1200 crown difference, but it's still a pretty good deal compared to the old one.

Edit: I totally derped and misread the question. Basically yeah, they're updating it now and replacing it while a good chunk of the playerbase is downloading it, but I think it's a better deal. The marked out price is due to potentially the whole templating issue, which... Honestly is more confusing and detrimental, but at the same time it would explain the outrageous marked out price that ZoS confirmed was not the actual price (cause 11,700 is hekkin' outrageous). xD

Hyperion616

On the bright side it's all optional and players are offered ways to acquire most items in game. If you have the cash and are looking for a quick fix spend it.

Commancho

AlnilamE wrote: »

The people in the community who want to play this game as a MOBA wanted account-wide skyshards.

The people in the community who play this game as an MMORPG (myself included) are happy gathering the skyshards when clearing the zones. Having them account-wide would be a huge disincentive to playing alts for people like us.

ZOS found a middle ground. Take it or leave it, it's your choice.

All achievements should be account wide. There is no point for me to relog on my main so I can buy something from achievement furnisher. There is no fun in collecting 10th time mages guild books. There is no excitment in getting to lvl 50 for 15th time. Dude, there are 6 classes in this game with 4 possible varriants (tank, healer, stam dd, mag dd) and with many sub-variants to master and you are talking about how fun it is to grind brainlessly the same activity. I can find a gazzilion fun things and achievments I can try to do in this game and none of them will include a nonsense grind.

rotaugen454

Why would you need to unlock all skyshards? It could be useful to have a few skill points on a new character. That would be my use for it. It’s quite frankly cheaper than I thought it would be.

TankinatorFR

750c per character (except one) for cyro's skyshard ?
I was expecting something in the thousand. What a good news.
It's probably the first time I am positively surprised by ZOS's pricing.

React

Can anyone tell me if these are giftable?

cheifsoap

This whole high horse "Its optional, so your opinion is moot" is rubbish. This entire game is optional so perhaps we apply that same philosophy to that and thus everyone's opinion is moot? In my rubbish opinion that is moot, this is over priced as crap and shameful.

FleetwoodSmack

Liam12548 wrote: »

Can anyone tell me if these are giftable?

I remember somewhere where the devs said that Skyshards would not be giftable since they're based on player achievements.

ZOS_JesC

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Tandor

Facefister wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

Edaphon wrote: »

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

The defense force for this saying "it's optional!" is disgusting. It's not even account-wide for Christ's sake.

What's so disgusting about facts?

Lighting myself on fire is also optional but I don't think it's necessary to state such a useless factoid when discussing the greediness of a multi-billion dollar corporation's business practices.

They were simply responding to the demands of their customers who wanted to avoid what they see as a grind and others see as playing the game. The players were warned that the only way they would get skyshards unlocked other than by exploration would be through the crown store and that is what they duly got - albeit quite a bit cheaper than most thought it would be, but obviously not cheaply enough for those who want everything for nothing.

You know, you could reduce the grind with an ingame QoL mechanic instead bloating up the shop in a B2P Game full of content DLCs and optional subscription. The amount of monetization this game got the past few months is plain disgusting and may be the breaking point for some.

I imagine you could, but it was always obvious that that wouldn't be the way this issue was addressed. Of course, what's a grind for some is gameplay for others just as having such things as skill points made account-wide is promoting the making of alts for some and destroying the whole point of playing alts for others. This way there remains the traditional way of playing the game while enabling those who choose to do so to purchase an alternative approach and thereby contribute revenue to the game at a time when hostility to lootboxes in gaming generally makes it essential that developers find such alternative sources of revenue. As always in issues such as account-wide achievements and lootboxes, players need to be careful what they wish for, as they rarely like what they end up with.

JKorr

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

Pay attention to the price before the discount. That's $80 in crowns. For reference this pack used to cost 2000 crowns which is roughly $20 and allowed people to choose their faction and play meta builds on any faction. https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/crownstore/item/7919?any-race-any-alliance-bundle

These packs were introduced today to "skip the skyshard grind" total about $150 in value. https://i.imgur.com/axEgyVu.jpg

Almost $250 of price gouging in a single update.

Keep in mind this is on top of an "optional membership" that isn't quite optional for anyone that plays in any serious capacity, a paid class account upgrade, Imperial race account upgrade, yearly expansion packs, quarterly DLC, hundred dollar houses, paid costumes, dyes, animation sets, mounts and gambling boxes containing potions, scrolls, cosmetics and mounts with undisclosed odds that people spend literally thousands of dollars to get because they're unobtainable by any other means.

let's see.... optional membership..."serious capacity" how do you play a *game* in a serious capacity? If you're playing the game to make money, its a job. The extra stuff you expect could be chalked up to business expenses. If you're playing the game as a hobby for fun, even paying for extra stuff to enhance your enjoyment would be paying for your hobby. ESO is actually the cheapest hobby I've ever picked up. You don't want to know what really good yarn for crocheting costs for an afghan, and don't even mention painting gaming minatures.....If you want all the benefits and options, then yes, you might have had to preorder the imperial edition that came with the any race/any faction explorers pack as a bonus. OMG YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR EXPANSIONS! No other game EVER did that. You don't want to pay RL money for crowns to buy houses, pay in-game gold for other houses. The gambling boxes are another optional thing. You want to take a chance to maybe get a shiny, buy a crate. Since it was stated in the very first announcement about the crates there would be a slight/small chance of getting something more than the consumables, it really isn't a secret the odds aren't good to get the better shinies. The skyshards are optional. If someone who has gotten all the shards in all the zones wants a shortcut, more power to them. The only zones I'd buy are the ones I can't buy, because I never found the shards in those zones with any of my characters. I'm not going to buy any of the ones in the pve zones; no reason to buy when I can get them on any character.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6067466/#Comment_6067466

Hey all, just to clear up some confusion here. The price you see on the Any Race, Any Alliance bundle is its permanent price. It's meant to display the total value of the bundle, rather than a sale (which is why there's no timer.)

and https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6067684/#Comment_6067684

lordrichter wrote: »
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This is how I interpret this, given what Sarah said. There are 11k worth of items in the bundle, but the cost is only 2k.


This is correct

So, yeah, drama and outrage without actually checking information. You do drama and outrage on a regular basis.

dcam86b14_ESO

So are you upset you can't buy it ?

Commancho

JKorr wrote: »

ESO is actually the cheapest hobby I've ever picked up.

Being "cheap" is not justifing a predatory practices. Giving a thug 10$ can be also cheap alternative to avoid a visit in hospital, but it doesn't mean that's a valid choice, because next time you meet him he will ask you for more. The same is with game publishers. Besides being "cheap" is very relative - for you 75$ can be cheap, for someone else 7,500$ is nothing. However if you will think about it - that entire game costs 20$ - then charging over 120$ for a single feature which already exists in the game and which is just locked with a couple lines of code is a "little" greedy especialy when you know that community was asking for it many years.

Kiralyn2000

So do all the people complaining that "it's optional" isn't a valid argument - do you also campaign against the vast array of Stupid Crap sold IRL for absurd amounts of money?

Like shoes that cost more because they have a rich dude's name on them, "pre-ripped" designer pants, "deluxe package" cars with lots of shiny chrome, million-dollar "Christmas Special" VS bras, etc?

The world is full of dumb & expensive purchases that are "optional" and only exist to be bought by people with too much money and no sense.

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Personally, I don't care about these Skyshard packs - they're even more "optional" than other things in the crown store because the only reason to buy them is laziness. There's literally no reason for anyone to purchase them beyond "I've got too much money, and want to burn it."

Anyone rich/dumb/lazy enough to buy these things, deserves it.

Wolfpaw

redlink1979 wrote: »

The majority of shards are easily and quickly collectible, you buy them if you want to...
Gambling boxes with purely cosmetic things, you buy them if you want to...
Houses, you buy them if you want to...
Subscription you buy it if you want to...
Expansions, you buy them if you want to...

Everything IS optional...

So is playing the game, what's your point?

Tommy_The_Gun

Meanwhile, at Zenimax HQ:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeXatquVqAc

Prospero_ESO

I only have two words for this

FU...ING DISGUSTING

You have my big middle finger on this one.

I won´t buy that BS

Wolfpaw

Glad I didn't buy Elsweyr.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

FakeFox wrote: »

Any race, any alliance cost 0,50€ in 2014.

But back then the game was P2P (had a sub). Today they need somehow to make money to maintain servers, devs etc.

GarnetFire17

I may buy like 2-3 zones of shards max. More than that seems like overkill to be honest.

Kiralyn2000

Prospero_ESO wrote: »

I won´t buy that BS

Well, good - you're not supposed to.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Cheaper than I thought they would be...

eyeseezombiesub17_ESO

You get experience while you hunt sky shards. There are addons which show you exactly where to find the sky shards. You benefit from having wayshrines discovered because fast traveling becomes more convenient. Just do the work.

JKorr

Prospero_ESO wrote: »

I only have two words for this

FU...ING DISGUSTING

You have my big middle finger on this one.

I won´t buy that BS

Isn't it wonderful there is no ninja assassin squad *forcing* you to buy it? Optional things are optional.

Tan9oSuccka

pauli133 wrote: »

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

Jesus Christ. That's almost $250 in crowns. This is indefensible.

It's entirely defensible:

1. It's optional.
2. It requires that you've already collected the skyshards on another character.
3. it's optional.
4. it's granular to the zone level; you won't find many people buying the full set.
5. it's optional.
6. Given point #2, it doesn't prey on new players: you've done it once, so you know what you're getting into.
7. It's optional.

Don't like it, don't buy it. I won't, but I'm certainly not troubled by a pay-to-catch-up mechanic. There are drastically bigger issues in ESO I can spend my time worrying about.

This is one of the most humorous posts I’ve read on here in a while.

Well done

xaraan

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Skyshards shouldnt have been obtainable in the crownstore in the first place

they, like all other achievements should be accountwide. So there'd be no need to grab cash off of ppl making an alt

You had me in the first half, then lost me.

You don't deserve something on every character just for doing it once on one character IMO.

But if they are going to offer something in crown store that's available in game, it should be costly to make doing it in game not a waste of time.