22,250 crowns for skyshard packs and 11,700 crowns for any race any faction? Is this a joke?

AlexanderDeLarge

Pay attention to the price before the discount. That's $80 in crowns. For reference this pack used to cost 2000 crowns which is roughly $20 and allowed people to choose their faction and play meta builds on any faction. https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/crownstore/item/7919?any-race-any-alliance-bundle

These packs were introduced today to "skip the skyshard grind" total about $150 in value. https://i.imgur.com/axEgyVu.jpg

Almost $250 of price gouging in a single update.

Keep in mind this is on top of an "optional membership" that isn't quite optional for anyone that plays in any serious capacity, a paid class account upgrade, Imperial race account upgrade, yearly expansion packs, quarterly DLC, hundred dollar houses, paid costumes, dyes, animation sets, mounts and gambling boxes containing potions, scrolls, cosmetics and mounts with undisclosed odds that people spend literally thousands of dollars to get because they're unobtainable by any other means.

SaintSubwayy

Skyshards shouldnt have been obtainable in the crownstore in the first place

they, like all other achievements should be accountwide. So there'd be no need to grab cash off of ppl making an alt

redlink1979

The majority of shards are easily and quickly collectible, you buy them if you want to...
Gambling boxes with purely cosmetic things, you buy them if you want to...
Houses, you buy them if you want to...
Subscription you buy it if you want to...
Expansions, you buy them if you want to...

Everything IS optional...

Darlon

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

Jesus Christ. That's almost $250 in crowns. This is indefensible.
Keep in mind this is on top of a "optional subscription" that isn't quite so optional, yearly expansion packs, quarterly DLC, hundred dollar houses and gambling boxes that can contain mounts that people spend thousands trying to get.

you make it sound like the skyshards is something that you HAVE to buy.... easy enough to get it the regular way.... if people want to dish out the cash for it... well...

Sanctuary_Reaper

Remember there creating a new AAA game on a new engine, they need to prop that up with more money from ESO, because they certainly dont do anything worthwhile in this game with the money it generates, NEW SERVERS OR UPGRADES ANYONE?

AlexanderDeLarge

The defense force for this saying "it's optional!" is disgusting. It's not even account-wide for Christ's sake.

Auros

1. I would probably never buy, because the exploration part is enjoyable and gives XP to your alts.
2. The option to buy here and there is not that bad, and it should be costly so that people don't abuse it
3. I like this.

pauli133

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

Jesus Christ. That's almost $250 in crowns. This is indefensible.

It's entirely defensible:

1. It's optional.
2. It requires that you've already collected the skyshards on another character.
3. it's optional.
4. it's granular to the zone level; you won't find many people buying the full set.
5. it's optional.
6. Given point #2, it doesn't prey on new players: you've done it once, so you know what you're getting into.
7. It's optional.

Don't like it, don't buy it. I won't, but I'm certainly not troubled by a pay-to-catch-up mechanic. There are drastically bigger issues in ESO I can spend my time worrying about.

barney2525

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Skyshards shouldnt have been obtainable in the crownstore in the first place

they, like all other achievements should be accountwide. So there'd be no need to grab cash off of ppl making an alt

All other achievements are NOT account wide. Achievements are Character bound. As well, Skill points are NOT account wide. They are also Character bound.

Skyshard thing is right, IF you really want to pay for each region for that character.

Any alliance/any race is a typo - its crossed off on the Ad and says 2000 crowns

AlexanderDeLarge

pauli133 wrote: »

It's entirely defensible:

1. It's optional.
2. It requires that you've already collected the skyshards on another character.
3. it's optional.
4. it's granular to the zone level; you won't find many people buying the full set.
5. it's optional.
6. Given point #2, it doesn't prey on new players: you've done it once, so you know what you're getting into.
7. It's optional.

Don't like it, don't buy it. I won't, but I'm certainly not troubled by a pay-to-catch-up mechanic. There are drastically bigger issues in ESO I can spend my time worrying about.

This "don't like it don't buy it" mentality is precisely why we're in the situation we're in now. This is some cancerous Nexon-tier monetization.

Massive_Stain

There's literally no reason to buy all skyshards unless you are really that lazy and have lots of money to spend. I'm disappointed cyrodil shards aren't there tbh. Those would be the ones I'm really interested in

Thevampirenight

Massive_Stain wrote: »

There's literally no reason to buy all skyshards unless you are really that lazy and have lots of money to spend. I'm disappointed cyrodil shards aren't there tbh. Those would be the ones I'm really interested in

They are there.
For all three sections of Cyrodiil skyshards 750 each, for full cyrodiil you will have to spend 2250 crowns alone. Or 1500 for the other two factions skyshards.

Runefang

First faction lock campaigns. Then charge more for any race any faction.

I really hope they just made a typo, otherwise its an awful tactic.

AbysmalGhul

redlink1979 wrote: »

The majority of shards are easily and quickly collectible, you buy them if you want to...
Gambling boxes with purely cosmetic things, you buy them if you want to...
Houses, you buy them if you want to...
Subscription you buy it if you want to...
Expansions, you buy them if you want to...

Everything IS optional...

Agreed

AbysmalGhul

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

pauli133 wrote: »

It's entirely defensible:

1. It's optional.
2. It requires that you've already collected the skyshards on another character.
3. it's optional.
4. it's granular to the zone level; you won't find many people buying the full set.
5. it's optional.
6. Given point #2, it doesn't prey on new players: you've done it once, so you know what you're getting into.
7. It's optional.

Don't like it, don't buy it. I won't, but I'm certainly not troubled by a pay-to-catch-up mechanic. There are drastically bigger issues in ESO I can spend my time worrying about.

This "don't like it don't buy it" mentality is precisely why we're in the situation we're in now. This is some cancerous Nexon-tier monetization.

Don't be dramatic

Edaphon

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

The defense force for this saying "it's optional!" is disgusting. It's not even account-wide for Christ's sake.

What's so disgusting about facts?

jainiadral

Wait, I picked up Any Race, Any Faction in the Adventurer's Pack thingie for 1000 crowns last month (30% off, maybe?)! What the eff? That's a crazy price hike!

Just checked-- they changed the bundle. Now there's a name change and a race change token included. What's pricing on those?

Still seems like a ripoff, TBH.

AlexanderDeLarge

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

Don't be dramatic

I'm not being dramatic. Ever hear the expression of don't give an inch or they'll take a mile? Because that is exactly what has happened and I sure as hell didn't agree to this as a player since the closed beta.

agegarton

The price to unlock Skyshards is about where I thought they'd land - if anything, it's a bit cheaper than I had thought.

The price to unlock Any Race, Any Alliance, is absolutely ludicrous to the extent that I am wondering if it is a typo? Almost 12k Crowns surely can't be right.

@ZOS_GinaBruno is this a typo - is almost 12k Crowns right for Any Race, Any Alliance? If that is correct, can you please ask someone to explain why so much?

Thank you.

pauli133

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

pauli133 wrote: »

It's entirely defensible:

1. It's optional.
2. It requires that you've already collected the skyshards on another character.
3. it's optional.
4. it's granular to the zone level; you won't find many people buying the full set.
5. it's optional.
6. Given point #2, it doesn't prey on new players: you've done it once, so you know what you're getting into.
7. It's optional.

Don't like it, don't buy it. I won't, but I'm certainly not troubled by a pay-to-catch-up mechanic. There are drastically bigger issues in ESO I can spend my time worrying about.

This "don't like it don't buy it" mentality is precisely why we're in the situation we're in now. This is some cancerous Nexon-tier monetization.

No, if it were Nexon-tier, there would be crown store exclusive skyshards and the whole thing would be pushed on brand new players. There aren't, and it's not.

AlexanderDeLarge

Edaphon wrote: »

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

The defense force for this saying "it's optional!" is disgusting. It's not even account-wide for Christ's sake.

What's so disgusting about facts?

Lighting myself on fire is also optional but I don't think it's necessary to state such a useless factoid when discussing the greediness of a multi-billion dollar corporation's business practices.

Thevampirenight

2000 is its perm price I guess the other price is to show the value. According to a Dev. That is good news!

Laz

I'm going to quote myself here as I brought this up in the PTS section of the forums as well located here - https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6053007

Laz wrote: »

I'm going to revive this thread because I personally feel that this is questionable.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Could you please help us and bring more transparency about this such as the cost expectations or if there is a way to get this for free outside of logging in for daily rewards?

I get the idea of continuous monetization but at a certain point, while all things are optional and it's very similar to what Warframe does (not quite on par) this a sub based game, with people paying for expansions and (thankfully) getting the DLC free with the sub.

The game I'm sure has it's whales that just buy everything up the moment it's out but at what point does it become too much and players just sit back and kind of feel disgusted with themselves and the idea of paying for thing x y or z.

And....

Laz wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Sorry man, but I have to disagree with you OP. This should not be cheap. Like anything else in the game that you can get in game, the crown store equivalent should not be more convenient than the in-game version. Choice should be price or do the work. At 100 crowns per zone, that would be laughable.

About the only thing over priced in the store right now IMO are the outfit slots - those aren't earn-able anywhere but crown store and should either be much cheaper or an additional slot for your whole account, not one character.

I think it's best to maintain a healthy conversation about this whole topic as it seems to never cease to be a topic of conversation ever since it's announcement/release.

When you look at the store it's packed with convenience. Cheapest mount right now is only ~$4 and you can use it right away. XP boosts, health/magicka/stam potions combo, food buff, motif buying, vampire bite/werewolf, and research acceleration and many many more. This is the things most people consider to be utility (yes, motif's included) and probably use often. Yet when we look at the cost, it's pretty high. It really is calculated to a break point where the consumer will say "screw it, it's worth it to have this thing now" and for a multi functional way to play game (b2p and b2p+s2p for extra benefit) the pricing, the offers and many of the other things are questionable. Another example would be character slots, great for people who are b2p but the s2p crowd should not at all have to pay that much for a character slot (if they really need it) $15 for a whole extra slot? Another month of my sub for this slot? Seems kind of wild to me to be asking for this much for essentially a save slot I'm already paying for.

If you take a look at the failure that Fallout 76 was/is and how much their in-game purchaes (certainly not an MTX considering cost) it's the exact same thought philosophy in ESO. What makes it okay for ESO and not okay for Fallout 76? ESO they already have your money in more than 1 way from DLC, expansions, buying the base game, subscriptions, and an in-game shop that has things priced almost on par with what Fallout 76 has compartively when it comes to items and "shortcuts" and we sit here and nod and say it's okay for ESO but mad for Fallout 76?

It makes little to no sense to have people who sub pay as much as they do in the crown shop. People who sub may get exclusive deals in the crown store but that should be all the time for everything. 25% to 50% off easily. And don't get me started on the ESO version of lootboxes, the most over priced low utility I've seen yet. For 15 crates it's 5000 crowns, about $35. You are paying ~2.42x more than what you are getting. Sure you get 4 things in there, but it's random (obviously) but you look at most games that offer this sort of real money aquisition of stuff and you at least get a 1:1 when it comes to cost to box (sometimes more boxes the more money you spend in the case of Overwatch).

Many people will argue you have the monthly crowns you get to spend as you please. "Free" ~$15 crowns is a nice feeling, but is it really free? At the end of the day that's what you are actually paying for to use in their shop to give them money. If you don't spend it right away, you'll spend it eventually, and they still get their $15 either way. All the other stuff is stuff you should unlock in the game as you play or is an added bonus that is nice but it's all quasi beneficial in the sense that the things you are getting with the $15 but not really in the sense that it's stuff people who do not sub and do daily log-in bonus can get for essentially free.

This is why I call for more transparency, better scheduling and information to players, announcing deals and sales prior to them happening and better pricing to your players who are a subscriber versus those who are b2p. The FOMO is real in the ESO shop, and it's really dissapointing.

This is across the board and stems from this particular posts concern.

Keep in mind any race any alliance was exclusive to the Imperial Edition and told people they would NEVER be able to get this out side of that fact. This is literally an Imperial Edition upgrade. How do I know? Because I was doing giveaway after giveaway of the game on the TESO Elite twitch channel when that was still alive and well and constantly broadcasted exactly what people were getting with that version of the game.

This all still applies. The in-game transactions are getting ridiculous. Start speaking out. If you're a content creator use my posts as a starting point if you wish I just ask you point to this comment to give it more traction.

Bam_Bam

agegarton wrote: »

The price to unlock Skyshards is about where I thought they'd land - if anything, it's a bit cheaper than I had thought.

The price to unlock Any Race, Any Alliance, is absolutely ludicrous to the extent that I am wondering if it is a typo? Almost 12k Crowns surely can't be right.

@ZOS_GinaBruno is this a typo - is almost 12k Crowns right for Any Race, Any Alliance? If that is correct, can you please ask someone to explain why so much?

Thank you.

12k for the BUNDLE - Any race, any alliance AND Race & Name Change Token, 3 Experience Scrolls, and a collection of Treasure Maps.

Bam_Bam

Runefang wrote: »

First faction lock campaigns. Then charge more for any race any faction.

I really hope they just made a typo, otherwise its an awful tactic.

LOL, nothing new there. The marketing team must be getting perma-promoted because people will always pay, no matter how unscrupulous it is/isn't

FleetwoodSmack

Bam_Bam wrote: »

agegarton wrote: »

The price to unlock Skyshards is about where I thought they'd land - if anything, it's a bit cheaper than I had thought.

The price to unlock Any Race, Any Alliance, is absolutely ludicrous to the extent that I am wondering if it is a typo? Almost 12k Crowns surely can't be right.

@ZOS_GinaBruno is this a typo - is almost 12k Crowns right for Any Race, Any Alliance? If that is correct, can you please ask someone to explain why so much?

Thank you.

12k for the BUNDLE - Any race, any alliance AND Race & Name Change Token, 3 Experience Scrolls, and a collection of Treasure Maps.

According to the Crown Store, the Adventure Pack is only up for a couple more hours; https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/crownstore/item/39?adventurer-pack

So unless they're replacing it, we still have a right to question it.

Bam_Bam

Laz wrote: »

I'm going to quote myself here as I brought this up in the PTS section of the forums as well located here - https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6053007

Laz wrote: »

I'm going to revive this thread because I personally feel that this is questionable.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Could you please help us and bring more transparency about this such as the cost expectations or if there is a way to get this for free outside of logging in for daily rewards?

I get the idea of continuous monetization but at a certain point, while all things are optional and it's very similar to what Warframe does (not quite on par) this a sub based game, with people paying for expansions and (thankfully) getting the DLC free with the sub.

The game I'm sure has it's whales that just buy everything up the moment it's out but at what point does it become too much and players just sit back and kind of feel disgusted with themselves and the idea of paying for thing x y or z.

And....

Laz wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Sorry man, but I have to disagree with you OP. This should not be cheap. Like anything else in the game that you can get in game, the crown store equivalent should not be more convenient than the in-game version. Choice should be price or do the work. At 100 crowns per zone, that would be laughable.

About the only thing over priced in the store right now IMO are the outfit slots - those aren't earn-able anywhere but crown store and should either be much cheaper or an additional slot for your whole account, not one character.

I think it's best to maintain a healthy conversation about this whole topic as it seems to never cease to be a topic of conversation ever since it's announcement/release.

When you look at the store it's packed with convenience. Cheapest mount right now is only ~$4 and you can use it right away. XP boosts, health/magicka/stam potions combo, food buff, motif buying, vampire bite/werewolf, and research acceleration and many many more. This is the things most people consider to be utility (yes, motif's included) and probably use often. Yet when we look at the cost, it's pretty high. It really is calculated to a break point where the consumer will say "screw it, it's worth it to have this thing now" and for a multi functional way to play game (b2p and b2p+s2p for extra benefit) the pricing, the offers and many of the other things are questionable. Another example would be character slots, great for people who are b2p but the s2p crowd should not at all have to pay that much for a character slot (if they really need it) $15 for a whole extra slot? Another month of my sub for this slot? Seems kind of wild to me to be asking for this much for essentially a save slot I'm already paying for.

If you take a look at the failure that Fallout 76 was/is and how much their in-game purchaes (certainly not an MTX considering cost) it's the exact same thought philosophy in ESO. What makes it okay for ESO and not okay for Fallout 76? ESO they already have your money in more than 1 way from DLC, expansions, buying the base game, subscriptions, and an in-game shop that has things priced almost on par with what Fallout 76 has compartively when it comes to items and "shortcuts" and we sit here and nod and say it's okay for ESO but mad for Fallout 76?

It makes little to no sense to have people who sub pay as much as they do in the crown shop. People who sub may get exclusive deals in the crown store but that should be all the time for everything. 25% to 50% off easily. And don't get me started on the ESO version of lootboxes, the most over priced low utility I've seen yet. For 15 crates it's 5000 crowns, about $35. You are paying ~2.42x more than what you are getting. Sure you get 4 things in there, but it's random (obviously) but you look at most games that offer this sort of real money aquisition of stuff and you at least get a 1:1 when it comes to cost to box (sometimes more boxes the more money you spend in the case of Overwatch).

Many people will argue you have the monthly crowns you get to spend as you please. "Free" ~$15 crowns is a nice feeling, but is it really free? At the end of the day that's what you are actually paying for to use in their shop to give them money. If you don't spend it right away, you'll spend it eventually, and they still get their $15 either way. All the other stuff is stuff you should unlock in the game as you play or is an added bonus that is nice but it's all quasi beneficial in the sense that the things you are getting with the $15 but not really in the sense that it's stuff people who do not sub and do daily log-in bonus can get for essentially free.

This is why I call for more transparency, better scheduling and information to players, announcing deals and sales prior to them happening and better pricing to your players who are a subscriber versus those who are b2p. The FOMO is real in the ESO shop, and it's really dissapointing.

This is across the board and stems from this particular posts concern.

Keep in mind any race any alliance was exclusive to the Imperial Edition and told people they would NEVER be able to get this out side of that fact. This is literally an Imperial Edition upgrade. How do I know? Because I was doing giveaway after giveaway of the game on the TESO Elite twitch channel when that was still alive and well and constantly broadcasted exactly what people were getting with that version of the game.

This all still applies. The in-game transactions are getting ridiculous. Start speaking out. If you're a content creator use my posts as a starting point if you wish I just ask you point to this to give it more traction.

They don't have to answer or explain themselves to anyone. And speak out all you want but since the crown store opened, NOTHING has changed.

Merenwen_812

the price increase is because it now comes with "Also contains a Race & Name Change" some scrolls and maps.

Both are too pricey for me (any race I got with my preorder imperial edition so never need to get that)

Hämähäkki

Look here

ZOS_SarahHecker wrote: »

Hey all, just to clear up some confusion here. The price you see on the Any Race, Any Alliance bundle is its permanent price. It's meant to display the total value of the bundle, rather than a sale (which is why there's no timer.)

LadyNalcarya

I agree on the any race/any alliance pack... If anything, it should be possible to buy that feature without any treasure maps or other fluff.
Skyshards, though... I think that very few people are going to buy full package. These shards might be useful as a situational convenience option though, like riding lessons. For example, for those who have ESO+ and a lot of alts. Or those who don't want to collect Cyro shards on more than one char. And I suppose it's fair that they're locked behind achievements.

me_ming

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

The defense force for this saying "it's optional!" is disgusting. It's not even account-wide for Christ's sake.

I don't understand why you're complaining. I mean, is it because you can't afford it? Then guess what? You can collect them for FREE! I don't see the point of you complaining, unless you badly want to purchase them on a price YOU want. Wait for a sale on the Crown store, until then (and again) collect the shards for FREE in game.