22,250 crowns for skyshard packs and 11,700 crowns for any race any faction? Is this a joke?

Wise_Will

ZOS_SarahHecker wrote: »

Hey all, just to clear up some confusion here. The price you see on the Any Race, Any Alliance bundle is its permanent price. It's meant to display the total value of the bundle, rather than a sale (which is why there's no timer.)

Should sort this out

Grollok76

Bam_Bam wrote: »

agegarton wrote: »

The price to unlock Skyshards is about where I thought they'd land - if anything, it's a bit cheaper than I had thought.

The price to unlock Any Race, Any Alliance, is absolutely ludicrous to the extent that I am wondering if it is a typo? Almost 12k Crowns surely can't be right.

@ZOS_GinaBruno is this a typo - is almost 12k Crowns right for Any Race, Any Alliance? If that is correct, can you please ask someone to explain why so much?

Thank you.

12k for the BUNDLE - Any race, any alliance AND Race & Name Change Token, 3 Experience Scrolls, and a collection of Treasure Maps.

It also says "Represent your Alliance with a Mount, Pet, Costume, and Hat!"

So alliance mounts, costumes etc. should be included in the bundle as well, no? At least that is the way I read it...

FleetwoodSmack

Hämähäkki wrote: »

Look here

ZOS_SarahHecker wrote: »

Hey all, just to clear up some confusion here. The price you see on the Any Race, Any Alliance bundle is its permanent price. It's meant to display the total value of the bundle, rather than a sale (which is why there's no timer.)

That settles that then!

Aside from that, I couldn't care less about Skyshards. If you want to pay for the convenience, then you gotta pay for the convenience.

FleetwoodSmack

Wise_Will wrote: »

ZOS_SarahHecker wrote: »

Hey all, just to clear up some confusion here. The price you see on the Any Race, Any Alliance bundle is its permanent price. It's meant to display the total value of the bundle, rather than a sale (which is why there's no timer.)

Should sort this out

Gonna also link the actual thread since people might not click on the chevrons to the post;
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6067466/#Comment_6067466

Any Race, Any Alliance is safe. OP can edit the title/post to amend that.

Let the salt throwing of the skyshards continue.

LadyNalcarya

me_ming wrote: »

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

The defense force for this saying "it's optional!" is disgusting. It's not even account-wide for Christ's sake.

I don't understand why you're complaining. I mean, is it because you can't afford it? Then guess what? You can collect them for FREE! I don't see the point of you complaining, unless you badly want to purchase them on a price YOU want. Wait for a sale on the Crown store, until then (and again) collect the shards for FREE in game.

This. I would understand the complaints if ZOS would actually hinder our ability to collect skyshards via exploration... But it seems like it's not the case. So if someone doesn't want to use this option, they can just ignore it.

Laz

Bam_Bam wrote: »

Laz wrote: »

I'm going to quote myself here as I brought this up in the PTS section of the forums as well located here - https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6053007

Laz wrote: »

I'm going to revive this thread because I personally feel that this is questionable.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Could you please help us and bring more transparency about this such as the cost expectations or if there is a way to get this for free outside of logging in for daily rewards?

I get the idea of continuous monetization but at a certain point, while all things are optional and it's very similar to what Warframe does (not quite on par) this a sub based game, with people paying for expansions and (thankfully) getting the DLC free with the sub.

The game I'm sure has it's whales that just buy everything up the moment it's out but at what point does it become too much and players just sit back and kind of feel disgusted with themselves and the idea of paying for thing x y or z.

And....

Laz wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Sorry man, but I have to disagree with you OP. This should not be cheap. Like anything else in the game that you can get in game, the crown store equivalent should not be more convenient than the in-game version. Choice should be price or do the work. At 100 crowns per zone, that would be laughable.

About the only thing over priced in the store right now IMO are the outfit slots - those aren't earn-able anywhere but crown store and should either be much cheaper or an additional slot for your whole account, not one character.

I think it's best to maintain a healthy conversation about this whole topic as it seems to never cease to be a topic of conversation ever since it's announcement/release.

When you look at the store it's packed with convenience. Cheapest mount right now is only ~$4 and you can use it right away. XP boosts, health/magicka/stam potions combo, food buff, motif buying, vampire bite/werewolf, and research acceleration and many many more. This is the things most people consider to be utility (yes, motif's included) and probably use often. Yet when we look at the cost, it's pretty high. It really is calculated to a break point where the consumer will say "screw it, it's worth it to have this thing now" and for a multi functional way to play game (b2p and b2p+s2p for extra benefit) the pricing, the offers and many of the other things are questionable. Another example would be character slots, great for people who are b2p but the s2p crowd should not at all have to pay that much for a character slot (if they really need it) $15 for a whole extra slot? Another month of my sub for this slot? Seems kind of wild to me to be asking for this much for essentially a save slot I'm already paying for.

If you take a look at the failure that Fallout 76 was/is and how much their in-game purchaes (certainly not an MTX considering cost) it's the exact same thought philosophy in ESO. What makes it okay for ESO and not okay for Fallout 76? ESO they already have your money in more than 1 way from DLC, expansions, buying the base game, subscriptions, and an in-game shop that has things priced almost on par with what Fallout 76 has compartively when it comes to items and "shortcuts" and we sit here and nod and say it's okay for ESO but mad for Fallout 76?

It makes little to no sense to have people who sub pay as much as they do in the crown shop. People who sub may get exclusive deals in the crown store but that should be all the time for everything. 25% to 50% off easily. And don't get me started on the ESO version of lootboxes, the most over priced low utility I've seen yet. For 15 crates it's 5000 crowns, about $35. You are paying ~2.42x more than what you are getting. Sure you get 4 things in there, but it's random (obviously) but you look at most games that offer this sort of real money aquisition of stuff and you at least get a 1:1 when it comes to cost to box (sometimes more boxes the more money you spend in the case of Overwatch).

Many people will argue you have the monthly crowns you get to spend as you please. "Free" ~$15 crowns is a nice feeling, but is it really free? At the end of the day that's what you are actually paying for to use in their shop to give them money. If you don't spend it right away, you'll spend it eventually, and they still get their $15 either way. All the other stuff is stuff you should unlock in the game as you play or is an added bonus that is nice but it's all quasi beneficial in the sense that the things you are getting with the $15 but not really in the sense that it's stuff people who do not sub and do daily log-in bonus can get for essentially free.

This is why I call for more transparency, better scheduling and information to players, announcing deals and sales prior to them happening and better pricing to your players who are a subscriber versus those who are b2p. The FOMO is real in the ESO shop, and it's really dissapointing.

This is across the board and stems from this particular posts concern.

Keep in mind any race any alliance was exclusive to the Imperial Edition and told people they would NEVER be able to get this out side of that fact. This is literally an Imperial Edition upgrade. How do I know? Because I was doing giveaway after giveaway of the game on the TESO Elite twitch channel when that was still alive and well and constantly broadcasted exactly what people were getting with that version of the game.

This all still applies. The in-game transactions are getting ridiculous. Start speaking out. If you're a content creator use my posts as a starting point if you wish I just ask you point to this to give it more traction.

They don't have to answer or explain themselves to anyone. And speak out all you want but since the crown store opened, NOTHING has changed.

You're right! And that's the problem! The game is getting big, huge streamers are streaming it, they will get incredibly negative attention and as someone said this is Nexon tier in-game purchase level of nasty. Look at my account age, I've been here as long as anyone else mostly as an observer but I decided it's time to bring my level of veteran experience out and start casting light onto problems that have been here since the start. This is not an okay practice. As I said this is the same stuff they are pulling in FO76. I get that it's just optional but not saying something when you see something as a consumer should mean something. Vote with your wallet etc etc but we will always have Whale's spending hella cash in the game.

I get that it doesn't ruin yours or my experience in the game, but this entire tactic of FOMO and pay to skip combo is not healthy in any consumer market. Sales are sales but artificial scarcity in a completely digital market is crazy.

Banana

Thieves.

AbysmalGhul

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

Don't be dramatic

I'm not being dramatic. Ever hear the expression of don't give an inch or they'll take a mile? Because that is exactly what has happened and I sure as hell didn't agree to this as a player since the closed beta.

How does this affect you?

1. Were you planning on buying them and hoping they would be cheaper? If yes, then be outraged.
2. Are you against them being in the store in the first place? If so, you're being dramatic. They're optional purchases...move on and get over it.

Easily_Lost

pauli133 wrote: »

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

Jesus Christ. That's almost $250 in crowns. This is indefensible.

It's entirely defensible:

1. It's optional.
2. It requires that you've already collected the skyshards on another character.
3. it's optional.
4. it's granular to the zone level; you won't find many people buying the full set.
5. it's optional.
6. Given point #2, it doesn't prey on new players: you've done it once, so you know what you're getting into.
7. It's optional.

Don't like it, don't buy it. I won't, but I'm certainly not troubled by a pay-to-catch-up mechanic. There are drastically bigger issues in ESO I can spend my time worrying about.

I think you forgot one thing, It is Optional. LOL

Also no matter you do some people will never be happy.

Hymzir

So it's 50 crowns per shard... Okay, I am surprised. It's lot less than what I thought it'd be. I was sure it was going to be 100 crowns per shard. Still... It is 5 times the value that would make sense. At 10 crowns a shard, I might almost see the point in buying them as a convenience option. Even though doing so, would still cost almost as much per character as a new whole game.

With this pricing though, I won't be buying any. There are a lot of Skyshards that are fast and easy to collect. And not every character needs every shard. I get enough skill points from just leveling and from public dungeon group events and fromdoing some storyline quests, and from speeding through the first 15 steps of alliance war ranking, to easily max the skills and passives that each character actually uses. Every extra one goes to crafting, to maximize the benefits from doing the writs, and to streamline the whole crafting process (Big shout out and thanks for Dolgubon's Lazy Writ Crafter!), and I am quite close to gettign all of my characters to the status of Master Crafter. (The last two still need a bit work to get there, and I need to start focusing on learning traits on the last 4, now that the rest are closing in on being 9 trait crafters across the board.)

Getting the skill points they need for that, is fairly easy though. I capped couple of trades for couple of my characters last week - Ran around doing random quests, having fun with trying to solo world bosses on less than optimal builds, and did a bit of harvesting while I was at it. It took me about 2 hours of doing that to collect enough shards for 10 skill points.

I really don't see much benefit in paying 15 bucks for similar amount of crownshards, instead of just playing the game for couple oh hours, having fun while doing it, and gettign some gold and crafting mats collected while doing it. If the cost was 3 bucks for equal benefit... Well that I might see as reasonable price. I'd still prolly just play the game, and collect what shards I need manually, but at least I might be tempted to buy some.

Joy_Division

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

Pay attention to the price before the discount. That's $80 in crowns. For reference this pack used to cost 2000 crowns which is roughly $20 and allowed people to choose their faction and play meta builds on any faction. https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/crownstore/item/7919?any-race-any-alliance-bundle

These packs were introduced today to "skip the skyshard grind" total about $150 in value. https://i.imgur.com/axEgyVu.jpg

Almost $250 of price gouging in a single update.

Keep in mind this is on top of an "optional membership" that isn't quite optional for anyone that plays in any serious capacity, a paid class account upgrade, Imperial race account upgrade, yearly expansion packs, quarterly DLC, hundred dollar houses, paid costumes, dyes, animation sets, mounts and gambling boxes containing potions, scrolls, cosmetics and mounts with undisclosed odds that people spend literally thousands of dollars to get because they're unobtainable by any other means.

The "problem" here is that you feel forced to buy all of this extraneous fluff. Or please tell me otherwise how dyes, mounts, and "skip the skyshard grind" are for people who play in a "serious capacity."

Nemesis7884

Honestly these methods are scummy if not illegal but they fit to zenimax looking at the method's applied in fallout 76...this pubsliher unfortunatly is becoming the worst of the worst...sad

ps: They did the same thing - "imaginary discount" in fallout 76 and had to stop it BECAUSE ITS ILLEGAL in most countries

Danikat

I agree that it's annoying they've stuck Any Race, Any Alliance into an even more expensive bundle but surely everyone saw the price increase coming from the time the new bundle was first announced. There's no way they'd sell a mount, pet, costume, name & race change and the upgrade for the same price as the upgrade, a pet and some treasure maps. From past experience with the crown store I'm surprised it's as cheap as it is. Of course it sucks for new players who never had an opportunity to get the cheaper bundle, but better than not being able to get the bundle at all.

I have mixed feelings on the skyshards though. They're actually a bit cheaper than I expected them to be, but it's hard to say what I'd consider a reasonable price because I don't think they should be sold in the crown store at all and I can't see myself ever buying them even if they were 1 crown each.

I get that it's optional but I really don't like this trend of developers selling a game and then selling the opportunity to skip playing it. I think all it's going to do is reinforce the existing trend for players to want to rush through games as fast as possible, at any cost, and then complain there's nothing to do, and give developers a very real incentive to build in annoying barriers to progress and then sell the opportunity to skip them - something a lot of "free" to play mobile games already do as standard. Which then reinforces the attitude that if something is annoying you should be able to pay to skip it and sets up a vicious circle of deteriorating games and rising prices.

In the short term however it means I really don't care how much they cost because I'm never going to buy it and I might actually prefer them to be stupidly expensive because then players have an incentive to actually play the game to progress their character instead of buying it.

Laz wrote: »

Keep in mind any race any alliance was exclusive to the Imperial Edition and told people they would NEVER be able to get this out side of that fact. This is literally an Imperial Edition upgrade. How do I know? Because I was doing giveaway after giveaway of the game on the TESO Elite twitch channel when that was still alive and well and constantly broadcasted exactly what people were getting with that version of the game.

It was exclusive to pre-order copies of the game. You could pre-order the standard edition and still get Any Race, Any Alliance (and the scuttler pet and treasure maps). If you want proof I could dig out my standard edition box with the pre-order sticker on it and take a photo.

I understand the confusion because I assume most people who pre-ordered did get the Imperial Edition, but IMO it's an important distinction, especially after both upgrades hit the crown store, otherwise people end up buying the wrong upgrade because more experienced players they trust tell them it's the one they need. (I know that happened to at least 1 person, but I think they were eventually able to get customer support to refund it after showing them the forum topic where they'd been told to buy the wrong upgrade.)

FakeFox

Any race, any alliance cost 0,50€ in 2014.

Ye_Olde_Crowe

I bought the Imperial Edition back then but did not pre-order it. While my Imperial character could play for any team, other characters could not.
Which is why I bought the adventurer's pack with the any race, any alliance upgrade seperately (and much later).
So Danikat is correct IIRC.

Cpt_Teemo

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Skyshards shouldnt have been obtainable in the crownstore in the first place

they, like all other achievements should be accountwide. So there'd be no need to grab cash off of ppl making an alt

Agreed also with all consumeables being account wide as well tbh, once you earn it you shouldn't need more than 1

valeriiya

redlink1979 wrote: »

The majority of shards are easily and quickly collectible, you buy them if you want to...
Gambling boxes with purely cosmetic things, you buy them if you want to...
Houses, you buy them if you want to...
Subscription you buy it if you want to...
Expansions, you buy them if you want to...

Everything IS optional...

People seem to forget the optional part.
ZO$ is all about the cash grab so nobody should be surprised about the cost of anything in the Crown Store at this point.

Darlon

Price of the any race any alliance pack has been clarified.... it is NOT 11700 and will never be, it is just the total value of items in the pack if bought seperately... price is 2000 and that's the permanent price..

Cpt_Teemo

valeriiya wrote: »

redlink1979 wrote: »

The majority of shards are easily and quickly collectible, you buy them if you want to...
Gambling boxes with purely cosmetic things, you buy them if you want to...
Houses, you buy them if you want to...
Subscription you buy it if you want to...
Expansions, you buy them if you want to...

Everything IS optional...

People seem to forget the optional part.
ZO$ is all about the cash grab so nobody should be surprised about the cost of anything in the Crown Store at this point.

But nearly 150$ per character to unlock skill points is quite absurd and now we have 18 slots, so yeah 2,700$ just to get skill points on all 17 other chars if you didn't bother with all the skyshards at all pretty bad if you asked me, but not as bad as MK with there 6600$ for all skins in the game grind lol

FleetwoodSmack

valeriiya wrote: »

redlink1979 wrote: »

The majority of shards are easily and quickly collectible, you buy them if you want to...
Gambling boxes with purely cosmetic things, you buy them if you want to...
Houses, you buy them if you want to...
Subscription you buy it if you want to...
Expansions, you buy them if you want to...

Everything IS optional...

People seem to forget the optional part.
ZO$ is all about the cash grab so nobody should be surprised about the cost of anything in the Crown Store at this point.

But the base game should be optional. *Sharp inhale* REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Why hasn't Gina posted natch potes yet?

xan4silkb14_ESO

Grollok76 wrote: »

Bam_Bam wrote: »

agegarton wrote: »

The price to unlock Skyshards is about where I thought they'd land - if anything, it's a bit cheaper than I had thought.

The price to unlock Any Race, Any Alliance, is absolutely ludicrous to the extent that I am wondering if it is a typo? Almost 12k Crowns surely can't be right.

@ZOS_GinaBruno is this a typo - is almost 12k Crowns right for Any Race, Any Alliance? If that is correct, can you please ask someone to explain why so much?

Thank you.

12k for the BUNDLE - Any race, any alliance AND Race & Name Change Token, 3 Experience Scrolls, and a collection of Treasure Maps.

It also says "Represent your Alliance with a Mount, Pet, Costume, and Hat!"

So alliance mounts, costumes etc. should be included in the bundle as well, no? At least that is the way I read it...

Also includes race and name change tokens, which I believe are sold separately for 3K and 2.5K each or 3.5K for both.

So the value of stuff included, some of which is no longer or not currently available, is probably accurate. The fact that a new player who doesn't already own the Any Race, Any Alliance already can get all of those extras for free is really generous. I also believe that it's been stated that 2K is the permanent price.

CleymenZero

Darlon wrote: »

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

Jesus Christ. That's almost $250 in crowns. This is indefensible.
Keep in mind this is on top of a "optional subscription" that isn't quite so optional, yearly expansion packs, quarterly DLC, hundred dollar houses and gambling boxes that can contain mounts that people spend thousands trying to get.

you make it sound like the skyshards is something that you HAVE to buy.... easy enough to get it the regular way.... if people want to dish out the cash for it... well...

I think it sounds more like someone that WOULD'VE bought but won't now.

They played this very smartly, they priced it so that most will be surprised while making it considerably expensive in the long run.

It's priced so that mist won't realize how much money thry're going to sink into this over a long period of time.

Can't say that I'm upset. Will I buy it? Absolutely not, would I buy at a lower price, maybe.

r34lian

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Skyshards shouldnt have been obtainable in the crownstore in the first place

they, like all other achievements should be accountwide. So there'd be no need to grab cash off of ppl making an alt

Very true support them on dis and next thing will be cp on crown store

FleetwoodSmack

Danikat wrote: »

I agree that it's annoying they've stuck Any Race, Any Alliance into an even more expensive bundle but surely everyone saw the price increase coming from the time the new bundle was first announced.

For the record, it's not more expensive. It's actually cheaper considering what they added and it's been confirmed that 2000 crowns is the permanent price. If you scroll up, you'll see several people quoting the ZoS employee that said it and then I linked the actual link to the comment above.

Currently for the next hour or two it's 1900 crowns and you're getting LESS than what you would get for the 2000 crown bundle.

mann9753b16_ESO

All of this is Optional.

Skyshards are easy to collect, you can get addons for free that show you the location of each shard on the map, after that you can collect them all with minimal time and effort.

And the Alliances pack is also not needed, because a) Alliances dont mean anything outside of PvP and b) the differences between the races are so minimal that they only matter for these minmax players, who really want that 1% more max potential.

Cpt_Teemo

mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »

All of this is Optional.

Skyshards are easy to collect, you can get addons for free that show you the location of each shard on the map, after that you can collect them all with minimal time and effort.

And the Alliances pack is also not needed, because a) Alliances dont mean anything outside of PvP and b) the differences between the races are so minimal that they only matter for these minmax players, who really want that 1% more max potential.

Also like people have said before they should have just been base game account wide unlocks through achievements, once you obtain something you shouldn't have to do it more than once tbh

xan4silkb14_ESO

r34lian wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Skyshards shouldnt have been obtainable in the crownstore in the first place

they, like all other achievements should be accountwide. So there'd be no need to grab cash off of ppl making an alt

Very true support them on dis and next thing will be cp on crown store

How would CP on the crown store even work based on how they've set up skyshard packs? CP is already account wide. You can't buy skyshard packs you haven't already found in game. You want the EP Cyrodiil skyshard pack, then one of your characters has to have already found ALL 15 of them. You want more CP on your new alt?? You can only earn more CP on characters that have already reached level 15 and every character gets that CP at the same time.

DeadlyRecluse

1. They're a little more expensive than I'd like, so I probably won't use any/many.
2. They're cheaper than I honestly expected.
3. They're optional : )

Vercingetorix

The skyshard prices are actually much better than I thought they'd end up being. The only bundles worth grabbing IMO are the Cyrodiil Faction and Imperial City skyshard packs. Everything else is easy to ride around on a mount and pick up, especially for you PC folks with your add-ons. A cost of about 2900 Crowns is a decent price for eliminating the annoyance of having to grab 59 skyshards under the threat of unwanted PvP interaction. It also grants a strong boost of starting skill points for a character so you can put some points into your crafting passives early on. These prices could have been way worse and what we got is fair - paying for PvE shards seems like a waste anyway so the prices for those packs aren't a concern for most. It's the PvP shards that many were interested in skipping to begin with.

mann9753b16_ESO

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »

All of this is Optional.

Skyshards are easy to collect, you can get addons for free that show you the location of each shard on the map, after that you can collect them all with minimal time and effort.

And the Alliances pack is also not needed, because a) Alliances dont mean anything outside of PvP and b) the differences between the races are so minimal that they only matter for these minmax players, who really want that 1% more max potential.

Also like people have said before they should have just been base game account wide unlocks through achievements, once you obtain something you shouldn't have to do it more than once tbh

Hircine, when did Gamers become so lazy?