22,250 crowns for skyshard packs and 11,700 crowns for any race any faction? Is this a joke?

Some_Guy

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Rawkan wrote: »

What's the problem? You can do it in game or choose to pay a huge amount of crowns for it. Player's choice.

Or they could have simply made them account wide achievements like most games have

They also could give them away for free. And auto leveling for everyone who already has a Max CP toon on their account. And 100 million gold. And a pony. Wait.... Didn't they already give everyone a pony...?

Hurbster

Stupidly expensive, but there if you are foolish enough to want them.

Wolfpaw

Tandor wrote: »

Wolfpaw wrote: »

PC players have this game on easymode for the most part of character growth, they let addons do the work for things like mage guild books, skyshards, combat timers/announcements, etc...watch tv and "do the work" as they say.

Imagine the outrage if ZOS blocked all addons.

Zone guide should have location for all skyshards & lorebooks that way console players can cheat the system also😉

Just to be clear, not all PC players use such addons. Some, myself included, use no addons at all while others simply avoid those which hand everything to them on a plate.

You're the minority, & a very small one at that.

Tandor

Wolfpaw wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Wolfpaw wrote: »

PC players have this game on easymode for the most part of character growth, they let addons do the work for things like mage guild books, skyshards, combat timers/announcements, etc...watch tv and "do the work" as they say.

Imagine the outrage if ZOS blocked all addons.

Zone guide should have location for all skyshards & lorebooks that way console players can cheat the system also😉

Just to be clear, not all PC players use such addons. Some, myself included, use no addons at all while others simply avoid those which hand everything to them on a plate.

You're the minority, & a very small one at that.

I dare say I am so far as using no addons at all is concerned, but I think quite a lot of PC players just use the ones that they consider provide essential functions like the trading ones, for example, rather than the ones that e.g. lead them by the nose from one lorebook to the next one. The fact that console players cope without them shows that they're really not that essential, just as everyone moans about not having crafting bags without subscribing yet we all coped perfectly well before they were introduced.

Kiralyn2000

Wolfpaw wrote: »

PC players have this game on easymode for the most part of character growth, they let addons do the work for things like mage guild books, skyshards, combat timers/announcements, etc...watch tv and "do the work" as they say.

Just to note - the "mage guild books" "skyshards" and similar mods.... they're not at all different than going to a webpage that has a picture of a map, or (a few years ago) buying the Brady hintbook that had pictures of a map.

They do not "do the work" - they just mark where you need to go. You still need to walk/ride/fight through delve/etc to get to the things. They merely make "tab to web browser, look at zone map, tab back" a bit more efficient.

Ditto for things like Harvest Map & all the recipe trackers - they take the place of a bunch of note pads next to your keyboard, that you mark down what you've collected.

ryzen_gamer_gal

Eweroun wrote: »

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

The defense force for this saying "it's optional!" is disgusting. It's not even account-wide for Christ's sake.

The defense force for this saying it's a rip-off is disgusting. It's not even mandatory...


And pls, leave out Christ. We all pray to Alkosh.

i don't pray to alkosh but we should still leave Christ be rather than blasheme His name.

SoLooney

Skyshards are easy to grab, esp if they are above ground.

If you are making alts, might as well do all the dungeons and public dungeons for a skill point and then see if you want to buy skyshards after that

alanmatillab16_ESO

I walked past the Jaguar Dealership earlier and saw the price of a new XE. Way too expensive for me, perhaps I should take example from some on here and go on their forums and complain about the price.

Or I could not and just move on because owning a new XE is OPTIONAL just like buying skyshards.

Some_Guy

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Massive_Stain wrote: »

There's literally no reason to buy all skyshards unless you are really that lazy and have lots of money to spend. I'm disappointed cyrodil shards aren't there tbh. Those would be the ones I'm really interested in

If there wasnt a reason to buy the damn things, it wouldnt be in the store would it? You would think that if a company didnt think they could make a buck off of something they wouldnt bother spending resources creating a means to unlock such a thing on a character.

There has been a large demand for this by the playerbase due to those players not having the time or energy to constantly chase down skyshards on every character they want to make. But the amount of money ZOS wants for said players to pay out to unlock all of the skyshards is the inexcusable part of this.

"Unless you are really that lazy and have lots of money to spend". They didn't say there was no reason, they just said there was no reason unless... Just like there's no reason to buy any of the cosmetic stuff, unless you like the way it looks and want to buy it for your characters or account.
Supply and demand is a wonderful system. If there were a large supply of overpriced skyshards But no demand for them, then there wouldn't be very much benefit to the company for trying to sell them. So, I would wager, that if the company doesn't sell very many of these skyshard packs, they will likely lower the price or change how the pack operates. However, I would also wager, that there are going to be enough people who purchase these packs to justify them being the way that they are. Whether or not some of the other players do or don't like it.

xeNNNNN

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

pauli133 wrote: »

It's entirely defensible:

1. It's optional.
2. It requires that you've already collected the skyshards on another character.
3. it's optional.
4. it's granular to the zone level; you won't find many people buying the full set.
5. it's optional.
6. Given point #2, it doesn't prey on new players: you've done it once, so you know what you're getting into.
7. It's optional.

Don't like it, don't buy it. I won't, but I'm certainly not troubled by a pay-to-catch-up mechanic. There are drastically bigger issues in ESO I can spend my time worrying about.

This "don't like it don't buy it" mentality is precisely why we're in the situation we're in now. This is some cancerous Nexon-tier monetization.

Oh good lord, Nexon I forgot all about them haven't thought about them since I dabbled in combat arms like a decade or more ago.

NewBlacksmurf

Time to stop complaining and just stop supporting the game in all ways.

Seriously I continue to take longer and longer breaks away but this stuff is intentional and by design.

Numerikuu

Can't spell Zenimax without EA

Facefister

Some_Guy wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Massive_Stain wrote: »

There's literally no reason to buy all skyshards unless you are really that lazy and have lots of money to spend. I'm disappointed cyrodil shards aren't there tbh. Those would be the ones I'm really interested in

If there wasnt a reason to buy the damn things, it wouldnt be in the store would it? You would think that if a company didnt think they could make a buck off of something they wouldnt bother spending resources creating a means to unlock such a thing on a character.

There has been a large demand for this by the playerbase due to those players not having the time or energy to constantly chase down skyshards on every character they want to make. But the amount of money ZOS wants for said players to pay out to unlock all of the skyshards is the inexcusable part of this.

"Unless you are really that lazy and have lots of money to spend". They didn't say there was no reason, they just said there was no reason unless... Just like there's no reason to buy any of the cosmetic stuff, unless you like the way it looks and want to buy it for your characters or account.
Supply and demand is a wonderful system. If there were a large supply of overpriced skyshards But no demand for them, then there wouldn't be very much benefit to the company for trying to sell them. So, I would wager, that if the company doesn't sell very many of these skyshard packs, they will likely lower the price or change how the pack operates. However, I would also wager, that there are going to be enough people who purchase these packs to justify them being the way that they are. Whether or not some of the other players do or don't like it.

You forget that those don't have shelf-life. It costs near zero to add some lines of code into the shop. There could be 0 demand but it would cost them nothing to keep them in the store.

lookstwice

Luckily it's optional now until they decide to make things more of a chore in game to drive people to the store. Hopefully that doesn't come to pass, but I'm sure the temptation is there for them.

Some_Guy

Facefister wrote: »

Some_Guy wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Massive_Stain wrote: »

There's literally no reason to buy all skyshards unless you are really that lazy and have lots of money to spend. I'm disappointed cyrodil shards aren't there tbh. Those would be the ones I'm really interested in

If there wasnt a reason to buy the damn things, it wouldnt be in the store would it? You would think that if a company didnt think they could make a buck off of something they wouldnt bother spending resources creating a means to unlock such a thing on a character.

There has been a large demand for this by the playerbase due to those players not having the time or energy to constantly chase down skyshards on every character they want to make. But the amount of money ZOS wants for said players to pay out to unlock all of the skyshards is the inexcusable part of this.

"Unless you are really that lazy and have lots of money to spend". They didn't say there was no reason, they just said there was no reason unless... Just like there's no reason to buy any of the cosmetic stuff, unless you like the way it looks and want to buy it for your characters or account.
Supply and demand is a wonderful system. If there were a large supply of overpriced skyshards But no demand for them, then there wouldn't be very much benefit to the company for trying to sell them. So, I would wager, that if the company doesn't sell very many of these skyshard packs, they will likely lower the price or change how the pack operates. However, I would also wager, that there are going to be enough people who purchase these packs to justify them being the way that they are. Whether or not some of the other players do or don't like it.

You forget that those don't have shelf-life. It costs near zero to add some lines of code into the shop. There could be 0 demand but it would cost them nothing to keep them in the store.

It would cost, however not as much as designing a whole new game. It cost, because they're still paying the developers and other personnel who came up with the ideas. and especially, the marketing department, whose job it is to find stuff that sells. If it's sold nothing, that means that the company is paying people who aren't doing very good at their job. And as we have seen, Zenimax has terminated other employees for doing a less than satisfactory job, for one reason or another.

Solariken

I wouldn't buy the skyshard packs in a million years since they're not account wide.

russelmmendoza

I am so frustrated with the any race any alliance token, I thought they were helping players by putting faction locks on campaign. To help curb the faction hopping in cyrodiil.

Then they come out with this anyrace anyalliance token, damnnnnmn!!!!!!!!!!!

Ydrisselle

russelmmendoza wrote: »

I am so frustrated with the any race any alliance token, I thought they were helping players by putting faction locks on campaign. To help curb the faction hopping in cyrodiil.

Then they come out with this anyrace anyalliance token, damnnnnmn!!!!!!!!!!!

It doesn't allow to change your alliance.

Smasherx74

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

Keep in mind this is on top of an "optional membership" that isn't quite optional for anyone that plays in any serious capacity,

Uh, I only had ESO+ for the first 3 months of this game until I stop paying the sub fee, waited like 6 months then returned when they dropped sub fee and made it a premium membership subscription. I have every DLC and expansion, and only 1 dungeon DLC. When I need gear from other DLC dungeons I just wait until the free ESO+ weekend to grind the dungeons.

To clarify, I'm max CP, have a min maxed build for every class mag and stam besides Nerco (about to get to work on that right now). I also of course have multiple sets for multiple trials, I have sheets on different CP allocations for damage mitigation on certain trials or arenas. I've been emperor twice, and hunt gankers in cyrodil all day.

So I definitely play in a "serious capacity" and I certainly don't pay for a monthly subscription. I have my own guild I just store my useful mats in there and my personal bank is for gear + potions.

WildRaptorX

And this is the result of dropping the required subscription

albertberku

I dont really care about the crown store or prices. I buy what i want, i would still buy if everything would be 10x more expensive than their current prices. But if you design something to be a grind, and then allow people to pay for it to avoid the grind, then it is not OPTIONAL. It is a grind by design and it is designed to make some people pay. If there would be no payment option the grind would be less. I am not judging if it is right or wrong, i dont care at all. But all these "Optional" comments are just so naive.

Some_Guy

albertberku wrote: »

I dont really care about the crown store or prices. I buy what i want, i would still buy if everything would be 10x more expensive than their current prices. But if you design something to be a grind, and then allow people to pay for it to avoid the grind, then it is not OPTIONAL. It is a grind by design and it is designed to make some people pay. If there would be no payment option the grind would be less. I am not judging if it is right or wrong, i dont care at all. But all these "Optional" comments are just so naive.

Optional- adjective- available to be chosen but not obligatory
I haven't bought any of these skyshard packs, and I play just fine. I think you misunderstand what the word optional means, hence why I posted what the dictionary says the meaning is.
Just because you feel that they're pushing you to pay for something, doesn't mean you're required to do so. You're not going to automatically lose by not paying. Your characters aren't going to be weaker because you didn't pay for more skyshards. All of your lock picks aren't going to automatically break because you didn't buy the skyshard packs.You aren't going to suddenly be unable to complete content due to a lack of paying for skyshards.
The only thing naive is your belief that the words optional and obligatory are synonymous.

russelmmendoza

Ydrisselle wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

I am so frustrated with the any race any alliance token, I thought they were helping players by putting faction locks on campaign. To help curb the faction hopping in cyrodiil.

Then they come out with this anyrace anyalliance token, damnnnnmn!!!!!!!!!!!

It doesn't allow to change your alliance.

Totally misread that, misunderstood, right.

Tyvm for correcting the my error.

TheValar85

Honestly i think skyshards should be free for every character once you have achieved to collect all of them.
It shouldn't cost Crowns, gold, or any currency at all. and also it should be available account wide for every character including existing and new to comes.
It is a clear scam.

burglar

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

pauli133 wrote: »

It's entirely defensible:

1. It's optional.
2. It requires that you've already collected the skyshards on another character.
3. it's optional.
4. it's granular to the zone level; you won't find many people buying the full set.
5. it's optional.
6. Given point #2, it doesn't prey on new players: you've done it once, so you know what you're getting into.
7. It's optional.

Don't like it, don't buy it. I won't, but I'm certainly not troubled by a pay-to-catch-up mechanic. There are drastically bigger issues in ESO I can spend my time worrying about.

This "don't like it don't buy it" mentality is precisely why we're in the situation we're in now. This is some cancerous Nexon-tier monetization.

Nah, we're in the situation we're in now with games because people are willing to embrace this model by handing over their money. it used to be that in game economies were ruined by RMT (real money traders) and their bots, but the devs wised up and realized they could just assume the position of the RMTs and sell their items for money. People do it, and they love it. The end result is really *** video games that rarely provide any sense of achievement, which is why most of us started playing them in the first place - it's completely lost on me why any of us continue to play at this point.

disintegr8

The price for the skyshard packs can never be too high for me as I won't be buying them.

Michae

Some_Guy wrote: »

albertberku wrote: »

I dont really care about the crown store or prices. I buy what i want, i would still buy if everything would be 10x more expensive than their current prices. But if you design something to be a grind, and then allow people to pay for it to avoid the grind, then it is not OPTIONAL. It is a grind by design and it is designed to make some people pay. If there would be no payment option the grind would be less. I am not judging if it is right or wrong, i dont care at all. But all these "Optional" comments are just so naive.

Optional- adjective- available to be chosen but not obligatory
I haven't bought any of these skyshard packs, and I play just fine. I think you misunderstand what the word optional means, hence why I posted what the dictionary says the meaning is.
Just because you feel that they're pushing you to pay for something, doesn't mean you're required to do so. You're not going to automatically lose by not paying. Your characters aren't going to be weaker because you didn't pay for more skyshards. All of your lock picks aren't going to automatically break because you didn't buy the skyshard packs.You aren't going to suddenly be unable to complete content due to a lack of paying for skyshards.
The only thing naive is your belief that the words optional and obligatory are synonymous.

Stil it's a fine line they're threading. Skyshards were introduced way back before you could buy them so they weren't designed to coerse players into buying them. They just noticed a demand for that and put them in CS in a way that we can see. They could've done it differently or they could've not do it at all.

On the other hand we have examples of many games that were designed to be overly grindy and a real chore just to make people buy some exp packs and such. Shadow of War comes to mind, as it had to be redesigned when they removed the cash shop because it was literally unplayable without the boosters. There were examples of devs secretly decreasing drop rates or exp gains without informing the players, just to make things grindier and, you guessed it, make you buy boosters. That one was Destiny 2.

And that above is what people are worried about. That suddenly ESO may become a boring grindfest where getting anything done without some boosters or unlocks would be impossible. Right now I don't think we're there yet but certain trends can be considered as red flags. And hence the forum posts like that.

Oh, and I'm sure someone could argue that you can just stop playing, but I'm afraid it's not that simple. People have invested a lot of things in this game, be it time or even money (for expansions, and this optional stuff you're talking about), they also have friends that they made in game, so it's not that easy to just leave. They don't want to see the gamethey enjoy a lot to get this "get cash now, worry later" mindset that many AAA games these days have. They'd rather see it grow and get better and better so they could play it years to come. Be mindful of that and don't shoot down people just for voicing their opinions. Most of complaining doesn't come from the position of entitlement but from the place of love.

EDIT: Spelling mistakes. I hope I got them all.

Some_Guy

Coerce - verb - persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats.
The dictionary is your friend. I'm not shooting people down for voicing opinions, I'm pointing out when something is factually wrong. Again, they are not making anyone buy anything. I chose, willingly, to buy the Elsweyer DLC, and started to level my new necromancer when I got home from work yesterday. I did not, and will not, buy the skyshard packs. There are plenty of add-ons (for PC) and online maps (for console players who can't get add-ons) to help track skyshards which make it easy enough to find them so you don't have to pay for them.
I would like everyone who was forced to buy the skyshards to raise their hand. And I mean forced. Not convinced, not given a supply to a demand that was obviously there, but truly coerced into buying skyshards. How did they do it? Did they hack your bank account? Did a Zenimax employee come to your house and hold you down until you agreed to buy skyshards? If so, please contact your local authorities, as this is illegal.
It is a slippery slope to say that willingly participating in a transaction, no matter how compelling it may be, is coercion. Not attacking the person, but the logical fallacies in the argument itself. 🙂

MartiniDaniels

Those 80% on any race any alliance made me laugh so hard. Probably all the mess with balance in last half-year was created for this "offer"

srfrogg23

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

The defense force for this saying "it's optional!" is disgusting. It's not even account-wide for Christ's sake.

You're right. It's not optional. It is mandatory. If you don't pay for all of those unlocks right now, you will never be allowed to ever participate in any content ever again because your character will be gimped. Pay your lazy tax now or suffer the consequences.

Never mind the fact that we have been playing the game just fine without skyshard unlocks in the crown store for the last 5 years...