Are the "Dragon's " in Elsweyr miss identified ?

kargen27

You run into a house yelling there is a wyvern out in the field and the farmer will say hit it with a rock and see if you can scare it away. Run in yelling dragon and the farmer is going to pack his bags and head for Glenumbra.

Solid_Metal

No, its not earth, tamriel is not on earth, they have all their right to call "Wyvern" a "Dragon", its not miss identified

Unit117

Aren’t wyverns just a genus of dragons in the first place?

KINGDOM: Animalia
PHYLUM: Chordata
CLASS: Reptilia
ORDER: Squamata
Family: Dragon
Genus: European, Chinese, Wyvern, drake, wyrms, ect.
Species going into water serpents, Fire, lightning, ice, poison, feathered ect types.


Of course this is all fantasy and not real but I find this to the best way to categorize dragons a whole. It’s a very broad term

Michae

Another one? Come on man. This game has mecha-elf-dwarves. Are you really salty about how many legs a dragon has? Again? Really? It's been mauled over and over and over ever since Skyrim got it's first trailer.

thorwyn

Reminds me of that one chapter in one of the Rolemaster rule books, where they described dragon creatures. The text was something along the lines of:

"This includes drakes, ice drakes, fire drakes, poison drakes, sirfrancisdrakes."

mann9753b16_ESO

There is one of these smartazzes every time Dragons are introduced…

Dragon is the whole family, not just the one. Like Lions, Tigers and Housecats are all Cats and all Dinosaurs, big and small were Dinosaurs.

Here, I gave you an explanation that fits with your wannabe scientific view on Dragons.

And here is the real answer:

If I make a fantasy world, and create a being that is half Hippo, half Giraffe, has purple scales and leaves a rainbow when it runs, and I say its a dragon, then it is a Dragon, because its my fantasy world, and its following my rules.

mague

therift wrote: »

Partieplayin wrote: »

Bipedal equals Wyvren if your going to use mythical creatures at least get it right.

Complete and utter balderdash.

Have youever seen a four-legged dragon? No, you have not. There is no such thing as four-legged dragons.

There is

HappyLittleTree

Wyvern are a subspecies of dragons therefor skyrim/eso "wyvern" are dragons.

bellatrixed

Game of Thrones and Skyrim are probably the most popular modern day depictions of dragons out there. Both are technically wyverns yet are simply called dragons.

Why? Because everyone knows what a dragon is but it takes a fantasy nerd to know what a wyvern is. Wyvern doesn't roll off the tongue. Tell a random person on a street that you like wyverns and most of them will have no clue what you mean. But everyone knows what a dragon is.

Not to mention the fact WYVERNS ARE DRAGONS.

Benzux

Not too sure if troll or serious, but I hope to whichever Divine or Daedra one may worship that OP is a troll. Because otherwise... I don't even know. This amount of stupidity should not be achievable.

mague

Benzux wrote: »

Not too sure if troll or serious, but I hope to whichever Divine or Daedra one may worship that OP is a troll. Because otherwise... I don't even know. This amount of stupidity should not be achievable.

The OP is not a troll and he is right. To name a Wyvern a dragon is as if we say Teeba-Hatsei is like Soccer or Football. Ofc. it doesnt matter to much and Zenimax most probaly will not change the mistake. But calling the truth stupid is wrong.

Ask Rochford if they want their Wyvern called a dragon

thorwyn

Benzux wrote: »

Because otherwise... I don't even know. This amount of stupidity should not be achievable.

OP: "Hold my beer"

CuteKirby

If you're not trolling, here's what would happen.
Mudcrabs renamed to crabs
Skeevers renamed to rats
Claanfears renamed to raptors
Torchbug renamed to fireflies
How about you play the game called "real life" instead?
The developers name whay they make.

ssorgatem

This misconception that "dragons have 4 legs, wyverns have 2 legs" comes from taking the Dungeons&Dragons manual as canon for all universes.

Or from a misunderstanding of English heraldry, where, for example, a lion always faces sideways; when it faces to the front, it's a leopard.

But that doesn't mean that, outside of heraldry, when a lion faces forward, it becomes a leopard...

ssorgatem

essi2 wrote: »

Wyverns are very similar to dragons, and in many languages, cultures and contexts no clear distinction is made between the two. Since the sixteenth century, in English, Scottish, and Irish heraldry, the key difference has been that a wyvern has two legs, whereas a dragon has four. However, this distinction is not commonly observed in the heraldry of other European countries, where two-legged dragon-like creatures being called dragons is entirely acceptable

EDIT: Also some Germanic dragons have no limbs at all :shrug:

that's why they are called "worms".

Or, misspelling it to look cooler, "wyrms".

HappyLittleTree

mague wrote: »

Benzux wrote: »

Not too sure if troll or serious, but I hope to whichever Divine or Daedra one may worship that OP is a troll. Because otherwise... I don't even know. This amount of stupidity should not be achievable.

The OP is not a troll and he is right. To name a Wyvern a dragon is as if we say Teeba-Hatsei is like Soccer or Football. Ofc. it doesnt matter to much and Zenimax most probaly will not change the mistake. But calling the truth stupid is wrong.

Ask Rochford if they want their Wyvern called a dragon

Well it's not the same Teeba-Hatsei is more based on "pok-ta-pok"

While technically speaking soccer/football/pok-ta-pok are ball games.

Same for wyvern/wyrm/Lindwurm they still are dragons.

Grandesdar

Not this again. We had this conversation when skyrim came out 8 years ago, and it's still going on. No one would care what a wyrm is unless a couple of nerds.

Let's rename classes to mage, rogue and Paladino while we're at it.

ssorgatem

Benzux wrote: »

Not too sure if troll or serious, but I hope to whichever Divine or Daedra one may worship that OP is a troll. Because otherwise... I don't even know. This amount of stupidity should not be achievable.

Following English heraldry as a guide, just like to claim dragons must have 4 legs, if the OP is a troll, they look like this:

ssorgatem

For a thorough explanation:
Why in Game of Thrones are dragons called dragons when they are actually wyverns?

Androconium

JadeCoin wrote: »

I've heard most dragons these days prefer "Ms." This is the Second Era after all.

Nice one, Centurion. Terrific race, the Romans.


More importantly for most children that can or could read, Puff The Magic Dragon is the prototypical dragon.
Of course, that dragon didn't have an image, as it lived in a song.



happy to help...

aaisoaho

To get a clear image about what we are talking about, I suggest we use definitions for the words. Now, the keywords in this debate are dragon and wyvern. What do they mean?

I'd like to go and use the definition for a dragon from Merriam-Webster dictionary:

dragon noun
drag·​on | \ ˈdra-gən \
Definition of dragon
1 archaic : a huge serpent
2 : a mythical animal usually represented as a monstrous winged and scaly serpent or saurian with a crested head and enormous claws
3 : a violent, combative, or very strict person
4 capitalized : DRACO
5 : something or someone formidable or baneful
To me, it seems like the definitions 1 and 2 are relevant for our debate. Let's see what Merriam-Webster have to say what a wyvern is:
wyvern noun
wy·​vern | \ ˈwī-vərn \
Definition of wyvern
: a mythical animal usually represented as a 2-legged winged creature resembling a dragon
So, a wyvern resembles a dragon, is a mythical animal, has 2 legs and wings.

Now, let's take a look at what we have in TES universe as a dragon: 2-legged winged creature. They fulfill the definition of a wyvern, so it is not wrong to call these a wyvern, but how about dragons then? The TES version of dragons are clearly saurians, they are monstrous winged and scaly, you could also say they have a crested head and it seems like they have enormous claws. This fits the definition of a dragon, so it is not wrong to call them as such.

So, it seems to me it is not wrong to call them either a wyvern or a dragon, I think both are correct words for these imaginary/mythological creatures in TES universe.

Knootewoot

This AGAIN.

So, if Wyverns are no (subspecies) of dragons:

Lord of the Rings has it wrong
Game of Thrones has it wrong
Dragon Slayer (Disney) has it wrong
Skyrim has it wrong (but at least ESO keeps it consistant compared to previous TES game)
Reign of fire has it wrong

He, but at least Dragonheart had it right WOOHOO

Man who cares. They fly, breath fire, wreak havoc and look awesome. Even if they had no legs but landed on their ass they would still be cool

RamiroCruzo

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

Partieplayin wrote: »

It seems to me there are allot of misconceptions and miss identifications of Dragons in today's modern age . Simply put Dragons have 4 legs and wings whereas Wyvren's which is the artists rendition in the expansion have 2 legs and wings attached to the arms making them Wyvren's . Historically or mythologically ESO's classification of the creatures are incorrect.
Why don't we call carnotaurus a tyrannosaurus? Because they are not the same creature and identifying one as the other is incorrect.

I think this should be changed asap younger people who are ignorant of the fact or people may just not know the difference or the truth. I think misleading people into thinking these are dragons and not wyverns is not right. Please just call them as they are "Wyvrens" or design actual Dragons for the game please and thank you.

DKs stole my wings, but I'm still a dragon despite your focus on only western mythology!

ZOS Stole DKs' Wings

Salvas_Aren

If you ever meet a big lizard with wings and fire breath, capable of eating numerous cows at once, have this discussion with him.

EölMPK

I agree with OP.
This is a real dragon:

Kyoma

EölMPK wrote: »

I agree with OP.
This is a real dragon:

I never want to come across this breed of dragons!

Tonnopesce

Here we go again...

EölMPK

Kyoma wrote: »

EölMPK wrote: »

I agree with OP.
This is a real dragon:

I never want to come across this breed of dragons!

I heard they are called meowtallic dragons =x

Zacuel

Um dolphines are a kind of shark.

Gosh u sound so dum right now.

therift

Glurin wrote: »

therift wrote: »

Partieplayin wrote: »

Bipedal equals Wyvren if your going to use mythical creatures at least get it right.

Complete and utter balderdash.

Have youever seen a four-legged dragon?

Yup.

Gave you an Awesome because... Awesome! Thanks for the lol