Are the "Dragon's " in Elsweyr miss identified ?

Ogou

essi2 wrote: »

@Ogou

Dwemer is the real (Elven) name for the Dwarves. It is pronounced: DWAY-mare. Some translations are "Short Folk", "Smart Folk" and, what is probably the best translation, "Deep Folk". Probably "Deep" as in "intelligent and multi-levelled" as opposed to a reference to some kind of physical depth.

The name "Dwarves" is used mostly by non-Elven races and has misguiding connotations. There have been rumors that the name "Dwarves" was given by the Giants that lived in Morrowind when the Dwemer first lived there. Thus (possibly) the confusion. A variation on the rumor suggests that the ancestors of Men and Mer, described as the "titantic" Ehlnofey (also known as the Earthbones), named the Dwemer. In this model, the name is actually a play on words, implying both shortness (relative to the "titanic" Ehlnofey), and intelligence. Both of these possibilities introduce what I view as possible factual inconsistencies that are beyond the scope of this guide, but they are still possible.

The most referenced possibility is that "Dwarf" is simply mistranslation of Dwemer, and that it's proper use is in the "Deep Folk" sense, but that Dwe was mistranslated by humans into "Short". Thus "Short Folk", or Dwarves.

Source- TES: Morrowind Teasers, Loremaster Posts, Pocket Guide to the Empire

Had not heard of the titantic Ehlnofey before. Thank you for this.

StormeReigns

Partieplayin wrote: »

@skerkro when I grew up Dragons were drangons and Wyvrens were Wyvrens .

You were taught wrong then. Even mythical creatures have subspecies.

Partieplayin wrote: »

It has only recently come to my attention that the younger generation cares not which is Ture but which they care to believe is true. If you have any sense you will discover all the falsities in our history all the *** we are taught to be Ture when our minds were young like a spung

First before you claim others a wrong you should first take a long hard look in the mirror to truly ask yourself are you absolutely unfathomably correct in your claims while not providing any of the slightest evidence to support your claims.

Partieplayin wrote: »

For example : "Christopher Columbus was the first one to discover America"
-- if you believe this your are the most ignorant person I have ever met.

Bit much, as well hysterically inaccurate analogy to use for your trollish "Muh Dragons bro" thread.

Partieplayin wrote: »

What worries me the most is that no one seems to care anymore, this is why history will repete itself because no one cares . Not that this is as improtant part of our history .But I digress I really don't care to discuss this subject any further because there are far to many ignorant people that I don't have the time or energy to educate .

One who refuses to be taught is as foolish as the one who refuses to teach - instead of one village idiot, now you have a village composed of nothing but idiots.

bearbelly

This friggin' topic.



I wish people would just stop with the dragon policing.
There is no widely agreed-upon consensus about what constitutes a dragon.
Lots of people think that dragons are one thing; lots of people disagree with that same OPINION.

Reistr_the_Unbroken

Ampheros (I have no idea how to pronounce it) are a subspecies with one pair of wings

Kel

Wyverns are just another form of dragon...

https://imgur.com/a/o3nRbGQ

Really, this has always been just an argument of semantics.

coop500

Dragons are... fictional creatures... which means people can design them however the frick they want, because it's all FANTASY. The fantasy police need to get off their high horse of this crap of 'IT IS A WYVERN!'

Strychnos

What a wild ride.

SomeDogsAreCops

Waffennacht wrote: »

SomeDogsAreCops wrote: »

Ogou wrote: »

Here we go again. I guess the Wood Elves also have to be made vegetarian now. The dwarves have to be made short. Ebony has to be a wooden material. Should I keep going?

>Dwarves have to be made short
Well...yes

Lul TES just trolled you then; because in ESO Dwarves aren't even Dwarves..... But Elves!!!!!



Btw no such thing as wyvern in TES

Ogou wrote: »

SomeDogsAreCops wrote: »

Ogou wrote: »

Here we go again. I guess the Wood Elves also have to be made vegetarian now. The dwarves have to be made short. Ebony has to be a wooden material. Should I keep going?

>Dwarves have to be made short
Well...yes

Don't question it. (If I remember correctly the in universe explanation was that they were given the name Dwarves by the giants).

Dwarves are dwarves, elves are elves, wyverns are just a type of dragon, water is wet. ESO is borderline fan fiction anyways.

Shalktonin

dear god not this friggin horse again...its dead let it go its what they call them your need to correct this is sad.

idk

jaws343 wrote: »

If the people of Nirn call them dragons, they are dragons.

It is important to argue about make believe creatures and what they should look like.

karthrag_inak

The "Dragon's" what is misidentified? Grammar >> Heraldry.

Gythral

Tharn thinks they are Dragons
all the cats think they are Dragons

Me, I think they are proto-corpes waiting on me killing them!
(and/or reanimating them)

siddique

I came here for the comments. 😁

Jawshoeuh

You say potato... I say potato...

siddique

Potato

StormeReigns

siddique wrote: »

Potato

Spuds

Jawshoeuh

SkerKro wrote: »

siddique wrote: »

Potato

Spuds

Mashed

Matthew_Galvanus

the problem is you are trying to classify it by the DnD definition of a dragon, but the Elder Scrolls series has always referred to these creatures as dragons and that is what they are.

Linaleah

aside from the whole - this is Elder Scrolls dragons, so they are DRAGONS.

even with your classification of Wyverns, guess what? WYVERNS ARE DRAGONS. not all Dragons are Wyverns, but ALL Wyverns are DRAGONS.

tyggerbob

https://youtu.be/8NXlC19lLyY

WuffyCerulei

Wyverns are dragons. Eastern dragons are dragons. Amphitheres (think Quetzlcoatl) are dragons. Traditional 4-legged 2-winged dragons are dragons. They're fantasy. Not real. Each fictional world has its own definition of a dragon. You can't force all to comply with what you personally think what is or what isn't a dragon.

rfennell_ESO

Partieplayin wrote: »

People say that dragons are mythical creatures because no evidence has been found of there existence yet almost every culture around the know world has some form of flying serpent in there lore I find that a bit strange consider golbal communication supposedly wasn't a thing. Just like all the ancient megalithic structures were built with chisels and hammers right

There are many things that cultures around the known world believe(d). Most believe(d) in an underworld or a hell. Most believed in gods. Most believed in a "great flood". Most believed in "giants". Most believed that fire was from the gods and have a hero that steals it. Most believed in spirits and ghosts. Most had something like a dragon.

Though I don't think they had the equivalent of "dragons" in South American/Indian culture at all.

I'd bet most cultures believed more in serpents and great serpents and our colloquialism of things lumped them in with "dragons"

Western culture does have a somewhat definitive "version" of the dragon. It tends to look exactly like Smaug from the Hobbit... which is obviously derived from the dragon in Beowulf. All of which likely was inspired by the Book of Job's Leviathan. Going further back, most of the "mythology" of Hebrew/Christianity was influenced by Zoroastrianism... an Indo-Iranian religion (which borders Asia and Chinese mythology access).

Though the best thing to respond to about ancient megalithic structures would be "the bent pyramid". If super advanced space aliens were behind the construction, you would figure they wouldn't screw it up right?

Anyways, you have to feel for the Eskimo. They probably didn't have a dragon and no one though it was space aliens designing and building igloos.

rfennell_ESO

Partieplayin wrote: »

For example : "Christopher Columbus was the first one to discover America"
-- if you believe this your are the most ignorant person I have ever met.

Well, here is a true revelation of the word ignorant:
Christopher Columbus discovered Puerto Rico (he called it San Juan Bautista), and I know it might be a surprise that Puerto Rico is actually a US territory hence part of America.

Though you could just claim you meant the natives that lived there "discovered" it and start cursing.

BrianLovesLisa

I see the OP only has knowledge of ONE type of dragon must be from being misinformed a young kid.

BrianLovesLisa

Partieplayin wrote: »

It seems to me there are allot of misconceptions and miss identifications of Dragons in today's modern age . Simply put Dragons have 4 legs and wings whereas Wyvren's which is the artists rendition in the expansion have 2 legs and wings attached to the arms making them Wyvren's . Historically or mythologically ESO's classification of the creatures are incorrect.
Why don't we call carnotaurus a tyrannosaurus? Because they are not the same creature and identifying one as the other is incorrect.

I think this should be changed asap younger people who are ignorant of the fact or people may just not know the difference or the truth. I think misleading people into thinking these are dragons and not wyverns is not right. Please just call them as they are "Wyvrens" or design actual Dragons for the game please and thank you.

Sooo what you are saying is, You think what you learned is right and everyone else in the world is wrong? you do know that dragons and their variants have MANY Different forms not just the four legged winged lizards you mention, RIGHT? clearly you can't be that dumb. Guess you never heard of the Eastern Dragon? the Serpent like dragon NO wings for legs? which btw also has Many variants. STOP trying to confuse the younger generation with your misinformation.

MLGProPlayer

Partieplayin wrote: »

It seems to me there are allot of misconceptions and miss identifications of Dragons in today's modern age . Simply put Dragons have 4 legs and wings whereas Wyvren's which is the artists rendition in the expansion have 2 legs and wings attached to the arms making them Wyvren's . Historically or mythologically ESO's classification of the creatures are incorrect.
Why don't we call carnotaurus a tyrannosaurus? Because they are not the same creature and identifying one as the other is incorrect.

I think this should be changed asap younger people who are ignorant of the fact or people may just not know the difference or the truth. I think misleading people into thinking these are dragons and not wyverns is not right. Please just call them as they are "Wyvrens" or design actual Dragons for the game please and thank you.

There is no such thing as a dragon or a wyvern. Therefore, there is no right or wrong depiction of either.

ApostateHobo

Everyone that tries to police what's referred to as a dragon is ridiculous. It's. Not. A. Real. Creature. Not everything is going to go by dnd or whatever else's rules. Get over it already.

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Charizard is not a dragon pokemon despite having 2 leg, 2 arm and 2 wing...wyvern team argument shatered!

If you can use other fictional universe dragons as a rule for this so can i for contradicting you

Glurin

ApostateHobo wrote: »

Everyone that tries to police what's referred to as a dragon is ridiculous. It's. Not. A. Real. Creature.

Pfft. Says you.

I'll have you know I keep one in the basement in case of intruders.

Kiralyn2000

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Obvious troll is obvious.

I'm trying to figure out if it's deliberate, or ironic, that he's spelled it "Wyvren" the whole time.