This one thinks it is just adds a choice to maybe skip some content
Brainless act of collecting a skyshard is not content. It is anti-gameplay and ZOS did THE worst thing and put it in the cash shop instead just being account wide unlock like it SHOULD have been from the START.
There should at least be a choice of paying with GOLD or CROWNS, just like skill/stat respec. But no, in new 2019. ESO EVERYTHING goes to cash shop ONLY.Elwendryll wrote: »I don't think I will use it, as I plan on doing everything again with my Necromancer anyway. I haven't done the alliance quests since several years, so I think I'm ready to replay the game.
On a side note. It's not remotely pay to win, there is nothing remotely pay to win on this game. Aria Games, go play games from them, go PvP there, and come back, enlightened on the true meaning and embodiment of the term Pay-to-win.
A lot of people here are completely ignorant and clueless and just about this and it is obvious they have never payed a real P2W game.
xan4silkb14_ESO wrote: »I'll call something P2W as soon as its something that can only be exclusively obtained with RL$ and is better than anything earned in game.
xan4silkb14_ESO wrote: »I'll call something P2W as soon as its something that can only be exclusively obtained with RL$ and is better than anything earned in game.
I do feel this is borderline though. You can grind for days, or purchase an unlock. However, you have to have unlocked them first by grind to unlock the unlock purchase
Does having a pile of skillpoints before unlocking skills provide an advantage? I'm not sure -- it ceratinly means you can invest/slot as soon as available; at the same time, respeccing costs the total sum of all skill points, not just the ones you change -- so if you're developing a character, you are at a gold disadvantage from the off, whereas a player who discovers them will have a climbing price as their character grows. That said, how great an impact does that make for a veteran player who knows the build they're going for and exactly which skills they want -- same foundation, does that same player really need the entire pile of skill points?
I don't think we can call it P2W -- perhaps P4QoL
With borderline, I mean it's a creeping worry that the next evolution will be closer to the wire.
I think the purchases are aimed at aleviating those boring grinds you need on every alt to make them end game ready.Tavore1138 wrote: »I've answered 'yes' but in the strictest terms this doesn't buy 'winning' but it does allow the player with the deepest pockets to bypass 'the game'.
And I don't actually care that much if they do from a personal viewpoint.
What bothers me is that this will harm the game and people's enjoyment of the game.
Why?
Personally when I am not actively creating a new characters I forget what a rich world ZOS have created for us, how varied the zones are, the general good quality of the quests and the voice acting, the little off beat mini quests you encounter while roaming all over the map finding your Mage Guild books (will these be next?) and Skyshards.
I can appreciate that some people just want to jump into Trials or PvP and would probably pay for a crown store pre-made if they could.
I also appreciate no-one is forcing me to buy these packs.
But I worry that by being able to skip the game people will have less appreciation for it - it will become a do it once at speed followed by just buying their way to the end and they will actually reduce their own enjoyment.
I also know damn well that people in competitive guilds will feel pressure to buy these packs so they can quickly match the latest FoTM build so it may be that people will be buying them to keep up rather than simply for their own enjoyment.That's not cool.
The other aspect is QoL in the game - it's nice to inhabit a living world with other players zipping about doing their thing while you do yours. Makes it feel like an MMO not a solo game. But how many of those players you see are levelling a second, third or tenth character? How much quieter will zones become if the reason to visit them is removed? How will that impact on how new players perceive how popular and busy the game actually is?
Zone quests also provide skill points. There's more than enough reason to revisit them -- unless ZoS adds 'Buy quest completes' to the crown store too... shhh... I don't think they're looking.
Skyshards, Undaunted, Mage Guild, Fighters Guild, Psijic, Alliance War.
Basically all the things people have complained are horrible to grind and wanted account wide. ZOS decided to give people to option to skip the grind, and monetise it at the same time.
Game was already p2w with the gifting update
I do hope ZOS will not take this poll into consideration when deciding to implement this new feature.
Poll results are interesting but they don't represent the entire ESO community.
@ZOS_GinaBruno A bit of common sense... Skyshards for crowns should never be introduced.
Shortcuts of this type are not needed and will only do more harm than good.
Currently, unlocking skyshards is a very nice grind for character development & achievements and if you will make it easier to earn all skyshards it will only make it obsolete/meaningless.
Please consider all options before reaching any conclusion regarding this matter.
This poll would have been better had it included the option for 'not P2W but infuriating that it's not a QoL improvement instead of a crown purchase'.
I want complete sets on the crown store. It's pay2convenience and you can still farm them.Dont get why ppl cant comprehend p2w. The term it's self means paying REAL cash for an advantage other sidwise unobtainable. Like if outfits in the CS added stats or something similar. Buying items for crowns otherwise obtainable in game is not p2w. To buy the skyshards you still have to collect them on another character. Thus you did that work, personally I wont use it as I dont mind collecting ss.
Game was already p2w with the gifting update
This confuses me. Please explain because I feel like I'm missing something now. Even if there were totally OP items in the crown store, gifting them would be paying for others to win... What in the store right now allows me to pay for another player to have an advantage over other players that I don't gift the same to?
1. You can’t always trust WikipediaTheShadowScout wrote: »Pay to Win means getting an advantage through the cash shop you -cannot- get through normal playing.
This is not an extra advantage over normal playing. This is just getting something you can play for in a different way - paying for it.
Just like the riding lessons, or the motiv books.
No more. No less.
For information:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-to-play#Pay-to-winIn some games, players who are willing to pay for special items or downloadable content may be able to gain an advantage over those playing for free who might otherwise need to spend time progressing in order to unlock said items. In general a game is considered pay-to-win when a player can gain any gameplay advantage over his non-paying peers. Such games are called "pay-to-win" by critics.
Facefister wrote: »I want complete sets on the crown store. It's pay2convenience and you can still farm them.Dont get why ppl cant comprehend p2w. The term it's self means paying REAL cash for an advantage other sidwise unobtainable. Like if outfits in the CS added stats or something similar. Buying items for crowns otherwise obtainable in game is not p2w. To buy the skyshards you still have to collect them on another character. Thus you did that work, personally I wont use it as I dont mind collecting ss.
Game was already p2w with the gifting update
This confuses me. Please explain because I feel like I'm missing something now. Even if there were totally OP items in the crown store, gifting them would be paying for others to win... What in the store right now allows me to pay for another player to have an advantage over other players that I don't gift the same to?
you can buy gold
Facefister wrote: »I want complete sets on the crown store. It's pay2convenience and you can still farm them.Dont get why ppl cant comprehend p2w. The term it's self means paying REAL cash for an advantage other sidwise unobtainable. Like if outfits in the CS added stats or something similar. Buying items for crowns otherwise obtainable in game is not p2w. To buy the skyshards you still have to collect them on another character. Thus you did that work, personally I wont use it as I dont mind collecting ss.
I do hope ZOS will not take this poll into consideration when deciding to implement this new feature.
Poll results are interesting but they don't represent the entire ESO community.
@ZOS_GinaBruno A bit of common sense... Skyshards for crowns should never be introduced.
Shortcuts of this type are not needed and will only do more harm than good.
Currently, unlocking skyshards is a very nice grind for character development & achievements and if you will make it easier to earn all skyshards it will only make it obsolete/meaningless.
Please consider all options before reaching any conclusion regarding this matter.
Facefister wrote: »I want complete sets on the crown store. It's pay2convenience and you can still farm them.Dont get why ppl cant comprehend p2w. The term it's self means paying REAL cash for an advantage other sidwise unobtainable. Like if outfits in the CS added stats or something similar. Buying items for crowns otherwise obtainable in game is not p2w. To buy the skyshards you still have to collect them on another character. Thus you did that work, personally I wont use it as I dont mind collecting ss.
The real question though, is does RyanM consider this P2W?We have removed some comments that were disruptive and not constructive.