Maintenance for the week of January 27:
• PC/Mac: No maintenance – January 27
• PC/Mac: No maintenance – January 27
I miss magsorc
-
Checkmath✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bumi Rockafella wrote: »visionality wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Because my Frags crit for 7K on the Nightblade who just killed me with a 16K Assassin's Will?
I don't know what's going on on EU server, but Sorcs feel very underpowered on NA PC.
Its the same on EU PC. The certain class representative antagonizing ppl in this thread is struggling to hold his own on a DK vs. a magsorc. Which is pretty funny in itself. A bit sad too, though.
Oh I guess because I am fair player and stick to tournament rules and dont use wings, which results in a fair fight
. Struggling means a 5 minutes fight with an open world build, right? Also I dont remember ever saying, that I am a good dueler, when I hop on my dk for some duels, but I still for fun duel the best duelers no matter what class I am on. Nice try tough.
I guess this thread will lose its meaning anyway in some days, when the first elsweyr changes will be announced.
We are getting news in "some days" ? I hope you are right about my thread losing meaning in that appropriate changes will be coming to sorc. I really need that more then ever because i havent been this disinterested in ESO in 5 years.
The embargo on information from the hands on event in London or the visit of streamers at ZOS HQ will be lifted in 7 days. Meaning that influencers and streamers are allowed to release their footage taken from there. For all the details the PTS needs to be awaited. With losing its meaning I meant that there are changes coming to one of the above spoken topics and concerns of magsorcs, naturally not every problem will be solved.2 -
visionality✭✭✭✭✭visionality wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Because my Frags crit for 7K on the Nightblade who just killed me with a 16K Assassin's Will?
I don't know what's going on on EU server, but Sorcs feel very underpowered on NA PC.
Its the same on EU PC. The certain class representative antagonizing ppl in this thread is struggling to hold his own on a DK vs. a magsorc. Which is pretty funny in itself. A bit sad too, though.
Oh I guess because I am fair player and stick to tournament rules and dont use wings, which results in a fair fight. Struggling means a 5 minutes fight with an open world build, right? Also I dont remember ever saying, that I am a good dueler, when I hop on my dk for some duels, but I still for fun duel the best duelers no matter what class I am on. Nice try tough.
@Checkmath Struggling in my definition means meeting a magsorc in Cyro in an open 1vs1 with the PVP setup you have and going down so quickly that even your mates cant quickly enough come to your rescue. And then starting a whisper with the words "Do you even know I'm a class representative?!" Was a fun experience.
Bearing that in mind, I'm not surprised about the way you ridicule ppl here that just happen to have a different opinion than you about whether playing a magsorc in PVP these days is interesting or not. Want a little selection?I miss the days, were sorc qq actually was valid....oh wait.Well I guess either a few people on the forum or the entire class rep team, some of the best open world pvper and dueler and a the whole sorc class discord is wrong then....
You can chooseSry but your post made me laugh.The thread immediately was linked in the sorc discord, when OP posted it. I guess some people had a pretty good laugh.
I stopped surfing for more toxicity on page 4, guess its not the end of it. What a classy class representative!4 -
Checkmath✭✭✭✭✭
✭visionality wrote: »visionality wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Because my Frags crit for 7K on the Nightblade who just killed me with a 16K Assassin's Will?
I don't know what's going on on EU server, but Sorcs feel very underpowered on NA PC.
Its the same on EU PC. The certain class representative antagonizing ppl in this thread is struggling to hold his own on a DK vs. a magsorc. Which is pretty funny in itself. A bit sad too, though.
Oh I guess because I am fair player and stick to tournament rules and dont use wings, which results in a fair fight. Struggling means a 5 minutes fight with an open world build, right? Also I dont remember ever saying, that I am a good dueler, when I hop on my dk for some duels, but I still for fun duel the best duelers no matter what class I am on. Nice try tough.
@Checkmath Struggling in my definition means meeting a magsorc in Cyro in an open 1vs1 with the PVP setup you have and going down so quickly that even your mates cant quickly enough come to your rescue. And then starting a whisper with the words "Do you even know I'm a class representative?!" Was a fun experience.
Bearing that in mind, I'm not surprised about the way you ridicule ppl here that just happen to have a different opinion than you about whether playing a magsorc in PVP these days is interesting or not. Want a little selection?I miss the days, were sorc qq actually was valid....oh wait.Well I guess either a few people on the forum or the entire class rep team, some of the best open world pvper and dueler and a the whole sorc class discord is wrong then....
You can chooseSry but your post made me laugh.The thread immediately was linked in the sorc discord, when OP posted it. I guess some people had a pretty good laugh.
I stopped surfing for more toxicity on page 4, guess its not the end of it. What a classy class representative!
@visionality You play Magsorc on DC side on Vivec, right?0 -
ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭visionality wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Because my Frags crit for 7K on the Nightblade who just killed me with a 16K Assassin's Will?
I don't know what's going on on EU server, but Sorcs feel very underpowered on NA PC.
Its the same on EU PC. The certain class representative antagonizing ppl in this thread is struggling to hold his own on a DK vs. a magsorc. Which is pretty funny in itself. A bit sad too, though.
Oh I guess because I am fair player and stick to tournament rules and dont use wings, which results in a fair fight. Struggling means a 5 minutes fight with an open world build, right? Also I dont remember ever saying, that I am a good dueler, when I hop on my dk for some duels, but I still for fun duel the best duelers no matter what class I am on. Nice try tough.
I guess this thread will lose its meaning anyway in some days, when the first elsweyr changes will be announced.
if tournament rules dont reflect open world scenarios how are they a good indication of class straight?
and also what is that suppose to mean? not all of us have a crystal ball chat with zos devs. sorc getting nerfed? again?1 -
Jsmalls✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Lord-Otto
The day we get a magical dawnbreaker is the day MagSorcs get nerfed into the ground.
In fact I feel comfortable saying Dawnbreaker is one of the SOLE reasons Stamina builds are Sooooooo effective.
It's a very loaded ability that I'm surprised has survived as long as it has. You're talking hard hitting, AoE stun, that's instant, can be animation cancelled, and VERY quickly followed up, with a relatively low ultimate cost, passive weapon damage increase, and does extra damage to probably 20-30% of the player base.
And the fact that ultimate have become spammables on a cool down is a whole nother dilemma. Anyone remember when ultimates were used to 1vX? You know 2-4 years ago. Now they get cast like candy in Xv1 scenarios.
3 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭@Minalan
On topic off Hakeijo tri-glyphs, let me elaborate.
You're sacrificing half of your main resource (enchant) for equal amounts of the other two. But your main resource is so important. It's your main resource, after all. More magicka means more shields, so it slightly diminishes the usefulness of health. Stamina can be covered by hybrid sustain sets. And if not, you need like three big tri-glyphs for proper stam pool.
I don't think it's the best possible trade you can make. Maybe on certain builds. But I would try to swap spellpower jewelry glyphs for stam regen ones, if possible. Max mag > spellpower, unless you drop to like 1.5k spellpower or something. And tristat FOOD trades 1k max mag and health for a whopping 4k stamina. That is quite a favorable trade! It allows for lower stam regen on Bretons, for example. Just more efficient, IMO. But I can agree, in the end it comes down to the build specifically.
On the matter of the pet class, sorcs are also the lightning class. Can I get a lightning spammable, please? A lightning person-targetted DoT? We're also ranged, can I please knock people back 22 meters? It's a bit of a debatable argument trying to pidgeonhole sorcs into pet builds because they have two pets. There's just more to the class. I guess we'll be wiser in seven days...0 -
Checkmath✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Minalan
On topic off Hakeijo tri-glyphs, let me elaborate.
You're sacrificing half of your main resource (enchant) for equal amounts of the other two. But your main resource is so important. It's your main resource, after all. More magicka means more shields, so it slightly diminishes the usefulness of health. Stamina can be covered by hybrid sustain sets. And if not, you need like three big tri-glyphs for proper stam pool.
I don't think it's the best possible trade you can make. Maybe on certain builds. But I would try to swap spellpower jewelry glyphs for stam regen ones, if possible. Max mag > spellpower, unless you drop to like 1.5k spellpower or something. And tristat FOOD trades 1k max mag and health for a whopping 4k stamina. That is quite a favorable trade! It allows for lower stam regen on Bretons, for example. Just more efficient, IMO. But I can agree, in the end it comes down to the build specifically.
On the matter of the pet class, sorcs are also the lightning class. Can I get a lightning spammable, please? A lightning person-targetted DoT? We're also ranged, can I please knock people back 22 meters? It's a bit of a debatable argument trying to pidgeonhole sorcs into pet builds because they have two pets. There's just more to the class. I guess we'll be wiser in seven days...
I dont really agree on that magicka glyphs are better than tri stat glyphs in your example. As you elaborated you either get around 1k magicka or 500 health, stam and magicka. So a difference of 500 magicka. Shield values are around 1/3 of the magicka pool and halfed in PvP, which means that your magicka glyph will increase your shield size for not even 100. But Instead you could have 500 more health, which in case of an enemy burst attack will more likely save you.
Also a higher max stamina pool is very useful in the time, when you get pressure a lot. Either you go for some blocking (rather unlikely on magsorc) or for a dodgeroll. A higher stamina pool will allow to prolong the window, where you can use stamina as a source of defense.4 -
ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭@Lord-Otto
The day we get a magical dawnbreaker is the day MagSorcs get nerfed into the ground.
In fact I feel comfortable saying Dawnbreaker is one of the SOLE reasons Stamina builds are Sooooooo effective.
It's a very loaded ability that I'm surprised has survived as long as it has. You're talking hard hitting, AoE stun, that's instant, can be animation cancelled, and VERY quickly followed up, with a relatively low ultimate cost, passive weapon damage increase, and does extra damage to probably 20-30% of the player base.
And the fact that ultimate have become spammables on a cool down is a whole nother dilemma. Anyone remember when ultimates were used to 1vX? You know 2-4 years ago. Now they get cast like candy in Xv1 scenarios.
wait, we got nerfed to the ground in nerfmire O.o soooo where is out magic dawnbreaker?2 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭@Lord-Otto
The day we get a magical dawnbreaker is the day MagSorcs get nerfed into the ground.
In fact I feel comfortable saying Dawnbreaker is one of the SOLE reasons Stamina builds are Sooooooo effective.
It's a very loaded ability that I'm surprised has survived as long as it has. You're talking hard hitting, AoE stun, that's instant, can be animation cancelled, and VERY quickly followed up, with a relatively low ultimate cost, passive weapon damage increase, and does extra damage to probably 20-30% of the player base.
And the fact that ultimate have become spammables on a cool down is a whole nother dilemma. Anyone remember when ultimates were used to 1vX? You know 2-4 years ago. Now they get cast like candy in Xv1 scenarios.
Yup, agreed. But this IS how the class is designed. Rune Cage was another example. Sorc is supposed to oneshot with one big combo. And to balance, the combo is rather telegraphed and back-loaded. But as people complained, the burst got nerfed without adjusting the way how it's delivered. Caused problems, IMO. And now we crutch on erratic pets that'll probably get nerfed if the duel lobby has it their way. Leading us back to weak, telegraphed, backloaded burst.
It's a cycle and that's why I want a rework of the class. I lost my thread discussing back and forth here, but that's what I initially meant. And the discord is now encouraging the use of Shieldbreaker, too! Ugh! Just rework the *** class already.1 -
Checkmath✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Lord-Otto
The day we get a magical dawnbreaker is the day MagSorcs get nerfed into the ground.
In fact I feel comfortable saying Dawnbreaker is one of the SOLE reasons Stamina builds are Sooooooo effective.
It's a very loaded ability that I'm surprised has survived as long as it has. You're talking hard hitting, AoE stun, that's instant, can be animation cancelled, and VERY quickly followed up, with a relatively low ultimate cost, passive weapon damage increase, and does extra damage to probably 20-30% of the player base.
And the fact that ultimate have become spammables on a cool down is a whole nother dilemma. Anyone remember when ultimates were used to 1vX? You know 2-4 years ago. Now they get cast like candy in Xv1 scenarios.
Yup, agreed. But this IS how the class is designed. Rune Cage was another example. Sorc is supposed to oneshot with one big combo. And to balance, the combo is rather telegraphed and back-loaded. But as people complained, the burst got nerfed without adjusting the way how it's delivered. Caused problems, IMO. And now we crutch on erratic pets that'll probably get nerfed if the duel lobby has it their way. Leading us back to weak, telegraphed, backloaded burst.
It's a cycle and that's why I want a rework of the class. I lost my thread discussing back and forth here, but that's what I initially meant. And the discord is now encouraging the use of Shieldbreaker, too! Ugh! Just rework the *** class already.
You mean how the class was designed till murkmire. Up to this point, yes, the class benefitted from a high max magicka pool more than everything else. But since they scale with resistances and health to a certain degree, the design changed towards a more balanced state between all three resources. Stamina was already very important on magsorc to regen magicka via dark deal. Lots of metabuilds included shacklebreaker or amberplasm to make dark deal a great resource tool. Now health is also a needed resource to expand the cap on your shields. Therefore tristat glyphs are a very solid source to maintain a resource balance.
Edited: And I am still waiting for visionality to answer my question. Since I heard he plays magsorc on DC side, his story from above most likely never happened (DC players cant fight DC players in open world).Edited by Checkmath on March 21, 2019 1:31PM1 -
Jsmalls✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Lord-Otto
The day we get a magical dawnbreaker is the day MagSorcs get nerfed into the ground.
In fact I feel comfortable saying Dawnbreaker is one of the SOLE reasons Stamina builds are Sooooooo effective.
It's a very loaded ability that I'm surprised has survived as long as it has. You're talking hard hitting, AoE stun, that's instant, can be animation cancelled, and VERY quickly followed up, with a relatively low ultimate cost, passive weapon damage increase, and does extra damage to probably 20-30% of the player base.
And the fact that ultimate have become spammables on a cool down is a whole nother dilemma. Anyone remember when ultimates were used to 1vX? You know 2-4 years ago. Now they get cast like candy in Xv1 scenarios.
wait, we got nerfed to the ground in nerfmire O.o soooo where is out magic dawnbreaker?
It's with the update that gives us a dodgeable curse and removes the instant cast proc for frags. I would love a magical Db, but I'm telling you nothing good would come of it.1 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭@Lord-Otto
The day we get a magical dawnbreaker is the day MagSorcs get nerfed into the ground.
In fact I feel comfortable saying Dawnbreaker is one of the SOLE reasons Stamina builds are Sooooooo effective.
It's a very loaded ability that I'm surprised has survived as long as it has. You're talking hard hitting, AoE stun, that's instant, can be animation cancelled, and VERY quickly followed up, with a relatively low ultimate cost, passive weapon damage increase, and does extra damage to probably 20-30% of the player base.
And the fact that ultimate have become spammables on a cool down is a whole nother dilemma. Anyone remember when ultimates were used to 1vX? You know 2-4 years ago. Now they get cast like candy in Xv1 scenarios.
Yup, agreed. But this IS how the class is designed. Rune Cage was another example. Sorc is supposed to oneshot with one big combo. And to balance, the combo is rather telegraphed and back-loaded. But as people complained, the burst got nerfed without adjusting the way how it's delivered. Caused problems, IMO. And now we crutch on erratic pets that'll probably get nerfed if the duel lobby has it their way. Leading us back to weak, telegraphed, backloaded burst.
It's a cycle and that's why I want a rework of the class. I lost my thread discussing back and forth here, but that's what I initially meant. And the discord is now encouraging the use of Shieldbreaker, too! Ugh! Just rework the *** class already.
You mean how the class was designed till murkmire. Up to this point, yes, the class benefitted from a high max magicka pool more than everything else. But since they scale with resistances and health to a certain degree, the design changed towards a more balanced state between all three resources. Stamina was already very important on magsorc to regen magicka via dark deal. Lots of metabuilds included shacklebreaker or amberplasm to make dark deal a great resource tool. Now health is also a needed resource to expand the cap on your shields. Therefore tristat glyphs are a very solid source to maintain a resource balance.
Edited: And I am still waiting for visionality to answer my question. Since I heard he plays magsorc on DC side, his story from above most likely never happened (DC players cant fight DC players in open world).@Lord-Otto
The day we get a magical dawnbreaker is the day MagSorcs get nerfed into the ground.
In fact I feel comfortable saying Dawnbreaker is one of the SOLE reasons Stamina builds are Sooooooo effective.
It's a very loaded ability that I'm surprised has survived as long as it has. You're talking hard hitting, AoE stun, that's instant, can be animation cancelled, and VERY quickly followed up, with a relatively low ultimate cost, passive weapon damage increase, and does extra damage to probably 20-30% of the player base.
And the fact that ultimate have become spammables on a cool down is a whole nother dilemma. Anyone remember when ultimates were used to 1vX? You know 2-4 years ago. Now they get cast like candy in Xv1 scenarios.
Yup, agreed. But this IS how the class is designed. Rune Cage was another example. Sorc is supposed to oneshot with one big combo. And to balance, the combo is rather telegraphed and back-loaded. But as people complained, the burst got nerfed without adjusting the way how it's delivered. Caused problems, IMO. And now we crutch on erratic pets that'll probably get nerfed if the duel lobby has it their way. Leading us back to weak, telegraphed, backloaded burst.
It's a cycle and that's why I want a rework of the class. I lost my thread discussing back and forth here, but that's what I initially meant. And the discord is now encouraging the use of Shieldbreaker, too! Ugh! Just rework the *** class already.
You mean how the class was designed till murkmire. Up to this point, yes, the class benefitted from a high max magicka pool more than everything else. But since they scale with resistances and health to a certain degree, the design changed towards a more balanced state between all three resources. Stamina was already very important on magsorc to regen magicka via dark deal. Lots of metabuilds included shacklebreaker or amberplasm to make dark deal a great resource tool. Now health is also a needed resource to expand the cap on your shields. Therefore tristat glyphs are a very solid source to maintain a resource balance.
Edited: And I am still waiting for visionality to answer my question. Since I heard he plays magsorc on DC side, his story from above most likely never happened (DC players cant fight DC players in open world).
No argument here. Shackle is also the most efficient set with its seven set boni. Been running it since Morrowind.0 -
Checkmath✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hm people told me, that Visionality plays on Vivec server in the daggerfall covenant faction, mostly in big groups, where he uses to purge on his magsorc.
I have like 12 characters, 11 of them also in the DC faction and a level 20 AD, which never set foot into cyrodiil.
I conclude from all this information, that neither it is possible for both of us to ever meet in open world cyrodiil as enemies, already that he met me in a 1v1 as a groupplayer with support role is rather unlikely.
Sry for disrupting the thread in this way, but I really do no appreciate when people do tell lies about somebody else and try to expose somebody with a made up story. I hope for him, that he maybe has mistaken me with somebody else....8 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Hm people told me, that Visionality plays on Vivec server in the daggerfall covenant faction, mostly in big groups, where he uses to purge on his magsorc.
I have like 12 characters, 11 of them also in the DC faction and a level 20 AD, which never set foot into cyrodiil.
I conclude from all this information, that neither it is possible for both of us to ever meet in open world cyrodiil as enemies, already that he met me in a 1v1 as a groupplayer with support role is rather unlikely.
Sry for disrupting the thread in this way, but I really do no appreciate when people do tell lies about somebody else and try to expose somebody with a made up story. I hope for him, that he maybe has mistaken me with somebody else....
Who?
(oo)0 -
Irylia✭✭✭✭✭
✭never understood people like op, clearly doesnt play magsorc much, they are stronger than they were
pretty much just complaining because you cant run full damage sets and enchantments
So like Stam.
Heavy fury alch bs br dw
32k hp
27k res
3k impen
30k Stam 5.5-6k wpn dmg.
Built in maj fracture. Cheaper skills
1400 regen with pot
1600 roughly with a 2h kill
250 /s for. Healing an ally. 250 constitution. Tenacity return from heavy + cp and faster heavy swings that also empower next attack.
Netch 220/s
I’m essentially sitting at 2500 regen with tenacity not counted.
Higher res and hp
Instant front loadeddamage
Major heroism. Built in minor protection major mending
25% aoe dmg reduc with quick cloak. + br maj protection.
Msorc just pales in comparison during group play small-medium.
You are heavily single target when you need to cleave a lot of enemies. Lack of snare immunity unless 2h which also pidgeonholes build even more.
Solo the class is alright
Duels it works well which is what I enjoy playing it for.
Stamden for group
I just want frag stun and tone down amplitude for it.Edited by Irylia on March 21, 2019 3:21PM4 -
Checkmath✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hm people told me, that Visionality plays on Vivec server in the daggerfall covenant faction, mostly in big groups, where he uses to purge on his magsorc.
I have like 12 characters, 11 of them also in the DC faction and a level 20 AD, which never set foot into cyrodiil.
I conclude from all this information, that neither it is possible for both of us to ever meet in open world cyrodiil as enemies, already that he met me in a 1v1 as a groupplayer with support role is rather unlikely.
Sry for disrupting the thread in this way, but I really do no appreciate when people do tell lies about somebody else and try to expose somebody with a made up story. I hope for him, that he maybe has mistaken me with somebody else....
Who?
(oo)
Erm the guy who called me out for toxicity before....and tried to expose me.
Edited by Checkmath on March 21, 2019 4:06PM2 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Hm people told me, that Visionality plays on Vivec server in the daggerfall covenant faction, mostly in big groups, where he uses to purge on his magsorc.
I have like 12 characters, 11 of them also in the DC faction and a level 20 AD, which never set foot into cyrodiil.
I conclude from all this information, that neither it is possible for both of us to ever meet in open world cyrodiil as enemies, already that he met me in a 1v1 as a groupplayer with support role is rather unlikely.
Sry for disrupting the thread in this way, but I really do no appreciate when people do tell lies about somebody else and try to expose somebody with a made up story. I hope for him, that he maybe has mistaken me with somebody else....
Who?
(oo)
Erm the guy who called me out for toxicity before....and tried to expose me.
Ah, I see. Well, to be fair, we all got a little heated up here...
(^_^)'0 -
Mintaka5✭✭✭✭✭Me too. They are such garbage now when compared to other builds. We've been pigeon-holed into one inflexible build. I'ev switched to a magblade, and sadly I have more fun on it, and pretend that it's a sorc. I just wish the devs of this game, would stop selectively ruining it.0
-
Checkmath✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hm people told me, that Visionality plays on Vivec server in the daggerfall covenant faction, mostly in big groups, where he uses to purge on his magsorc.
I have like 12 characters, 11 of them also in the DC faction and a level 20 AD, which never set foot into cyrodiil.
I conclude from all this information, that neither it is possible for both of us to ever meet in open world cyrodiil as enemies, already that he met me in a 1v1 as a groupplayer with support role is rather unlikely.
Sry for disrupting the thread in this way, but I really do no appreciate when people do tell lies about somebody else and try to expose somebody with a made up story. I hope for him, that he maybe has mistaken me with somebody else....
Who?
(oo)
Erm the guy who called me out for toxicity before....and tried to expose me.
Ah, I see. Well, to be fair, we all got a little heated up here...
(^_^)'
yeah i guess that happens when we all vehemently deny what the others say.0 -
Urvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭.Tristat glyphs are meh, IMO. Sacrifice half of your main resource enchant for some health, basically. If you have enough health already, just a pure secondary resource glyph keeps your main stat up.
Tristat FOOD on the other hand has way more value than bistat or even the golden stat/sustain food. That one is actually overloaded.
Health and stamina from tri-glyphs we kind of need both now. The point is you give up like 1500 magicka, for 1500 of BOTH of the others on large pieces. It's arguably worth it, you need that to survive, and pump your shields.this is complete and total bs
things i have heard in this thread on how to have a decent mag sorc
pets
s&b (not a mag weapon)
breton (a ***'in healer class)
this is the most brain dead *** ive ever seen
Pets: We have the only elder scrolls conjuration skill line in the game, use it or lose it.
Breton: having a sustain fine piece set (Seducer) built into the race let's you spec more into DAMAGE. Like, the spell strategist set, that gives 1000 spell damage with major sorcery ffs. If you can't do damage with spell strat I don't even know what to say..
S&B: I'm sure you've heard of battle mages in ESO, they use armor and carry weapons.
For the life of me I can't imagine any other wizards that use a sword and a staff though...
With matriarch, you really don't need a resto stick back bar, think outside of the box. That's where you have both shields, dark deal, matriarch, and streak. None of which needs a staff.
by god loosing the pets would be the best thing to happen to this class. please feel free to chuck them out the window and give us actual skills
I wish dude but there are so many potatoes that crutch on them so would never happen
2 -
Galarthor✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yup, agreed. But this IS how the class is designed. Rune Cage was another example. Sorc is supposed to oneshot with one big combo. And to balance, the combo is rather telegraphed and back-loaded. But as people complained, the burst got nerfed without adjusting the way how it's delivered. Caused problems, IMO. And now we crutch on erratic pets that'll probably get nerfed if the duel lobby has it their way. Leading us back to weak, telegraphed, backloaded burst.
It's a cycle and that's why I want a rework of the class. I lost my thread discussing back and forth here, but that's what I initially meant. And the discord is now encouraging the use of Shieldbreaker, too! Ugh! Just rework the *** class already.
You mean how the class was designed till murkmire. Up to this point, yes, the class benefitted from a high max magicka pool more than everything else. But since they scale with resistances and health to a certain degree, the design changed towards a more balanced state between all three resources. Stamina was already very important on magsorc to regen magicka via dark deal. Lots of metabuilds included shacklebreaker or amberplasm to make dark deal a great resource tool. Now health is also a needed resource to expand the cap on your shields. Therefore tristat glyphs are a very solid source to maintain a resource balance.
Edited: And I am still waiting for visionality to answer my question. Since I heard he plays magsorc on DC side, his story from above most likely never happened (DC players cant fight DC players in open world).
That doesn't really have anything to do with how sorcs are designed to deliver damage and kill enemies. The high magicka pool was necessary for survival. If sorcs used it mainly for damage purposes they would have opted for spell damage instead.
Murkmire also didn't really have a big affect on sorcs' HP since their main shield hardened ward remained almost unaffected in it's strength. And the stamina need also didn't change much.
The problem is and has been for a long time now: sorcs are designed to kill enemies with a well placed combo and in return have little sustain pressure, but ZOS (1) nerfed sorc damage, (2) made it too easy to avoid, and (3) introduced a tank meta.
Now points (1) and (3) are interdependent to some degree, but point (2) is independent and desperately needs to be looked at. As I said multiple times already, making rune cage und dodgeable and unblockable again is the solution to many of these issues that are summarized into (2). And given how well Rune Cage is telefraphed I think there is no reason why it shouldn't be also undodgeable. In fact, that's pretty much the only thing that can make it attractive and other classes stuns are both undodgeable and unblockable. It doesn't even sync with meteor anymore.Edited by Galarthor on March 21, 2019 9:33PM1 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Hm people told me, that Visionality plays on Vivec server in the daggerfall covenant faction, mostly in big groups, where he uses to purge on his magsorc.
I have like 12 characters, 11 of them also in the DC faction and a level 20 AD, which never set foot into cyrodiil.
I conclude from all this information, that neither it is possible for both of us to ever meet in open world cyrodiil as enemies, already that he met me in a 1v1 as a groupplayer with support role is rather unlikely.
Sry for disrupting the thread in this way, but I really do no appreciate when people do tell lies about somebody else and try to expose somebody with a made up story. I hope for him, that he maybe has mistaken me with somebody else....
Who?
(oo)
Erm the guy who called me out for toxicity before....and tried to expose me.
Ah, I see. Well, to be fair, we all got a little heated up here...
(^_^)'
yeah i guess that happens when we all vehemently deny what the others say.
Disagree, not deny. Important difference.0 -
Checkmath✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yup, agreed. But this IS how the class is designed. Rune Cage was another example. Sorc is supposed to oneshot with one big combo. And to balance, the combo is rather telegraphed and back-loaded. But as people complained, the burst got nerfed without adjusting the way how it's delivered. Caused problems, IMO. And now we crutch on erratic pets that'll probably get nerfed if the duel lobby has it their way. Leading us back to weak, telegraphed, backloaded burst.
It's a cycle and that's why I want a rework of the class. I lost my thread discussing back and forth here, but that's what I initially meant. And the discord is now encouraging the use of Shieldbreaker, too! Ugh! Just rework the *** class already.
You mean how the class was designed till murkmire. Up to this point, yes, the class benefitted from a high max magicka pool more than everything else. But since they scale with resistances and health to a certain degree, the design changed towards a more balanced state between all three resources. Stamina was already very important on magsorc to regen magicka via dark deal. Lots of metabuilds included shacklebreaker or amberplasm to make dark deal a great resource tool. Now health is also a needed resource to expand the cap on your shields. Therefore tristat glyphs are a very solid source to maintain a resource balance.
Edited: And I am still waiting for visionality to answer my question. Since I heard he plays magsorc on DC side, his story from above most likely never happened (DC players cant fight DC players in open world).
That doesn't really have anything to do with how sorcs are designed to deliver damage and kill enemies. The high magicka pool was necessary for survival. If sorcs used it mainly for damage purposes they would have opted for spell damage instead.
Murkmire also didn't really have a big affect on sorcs' HP since their main shield hardened ward remained almost unaffected in it's strength. And the stamina need also didn't change much.
The problem is and has been for a long time now: sorcs are designed to kill enemies with a well placed combo and in return have little sustain pressure, but ZOS (1) nerfed sorc damage, (2) made it too easy to avoid, and (3) introduced a tank meta.
Now points (1) and (3) are interdependent to some degree, but point (2) is independent and desperately needs to be looked at. As I said multiple times already, making rune cage und dodgeable and unblockable again is the solution to many of these issues that are summarized into (2). And given how well Rune Cage is telefraphed I think there is no reason why it shouldn't be also undodgeable. In fact, that's pretty much the only thing that can make it attractive and other classes stuns are both undodgeable and unblockable. It doesn't even sync with meteor anymore.
other undodgeable and unblockable skills have not a 40 meters range in pvp. fossilizie is 8 or 7 meters and dks need to stay melee. its a tool to stay in their preferred combat zone, same as talons. still dks first need to get into that range to be competitive. also afterwards it is quite easy to kite the dk. then there is fear, also melee range. and the last one is northern storm, an ultimate which does aoe damage around the caster, again not ranged. those people all need to get into melee range before their stuns work and out of that reach dks, melee nightblades are almost harmless.4 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭But those classes are designed with melee in mind. And as you said, it actually helps them sray there. Rune Cage, if translated to a ranged caster like sorc, would therefore have to be ranged and help keep distance.
Ah, well, there's no barspace for Cage, anyway. People suggested making Cage melee-ranged, like Fear and Fossilize. Having Streak do the CC through block would help tremendously and would be balanced in regards to range.
Or Ball of Lightning.Edited by Lord-Otto on March 21, 2019 11:04PM0 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I’m starting to think this thread is a troll thread. Sorcs are borderline OP right now. Trolling so it doesn’t get nerfed.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten8 -
Ariades_swe✭✭✭✭✭On EU, cyrodiil is basically flooded with armormaster matriarch sorcs after last patch.
Alot of good players has started to main them again.
Edited by Ariades_swe on March 22, 2019 5:10PM2 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ariades_swe wrote: »On EU, cyrodiil is basically flooded with armormaster matriarch sorcs after last patch.
Alot of good players has started to main them again.
Spineless meta monkeys.
>=C3 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Just wait till next patch, more nerfs incoming. Status effects through shields and harness sustain "fixed".
That's your friendly sorcerer reps hard at work for you.
3
