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I miss magsorc
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Checkmath✭✭✭✭✭
✭Emma_Overload wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »I miss dw sorc
I miss the days, were sorc qq actually was valid....oh wait.
Magsorc is considered the strongest magicka pvp class right now for duels and open world.
Battlegrounds get dominated by zoos, open world magsorcs have the best toolkit amongst magclasses to kite and lure out enemies till you can burst down one by one. In duels the spam of clench and weaving in the frags and curses deals extremely high damage with the amplitude passive. I am really not sure, why some people did not realize how strong magicka sorcerers are right now.
Because my Frags crit for 7K on the Nightblade who just killed me with a 16K Assassin's Will?
I don't know what's going on on EU server, but Sorcs feel very underpowered on NA PC.
Well I got hit by a 9k clench and 11k frag last sunday....both non crits. This probably says as much as your 7k frag and 16k will...actually both says nothing.6 -
ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Bumi Rockafella wrote: »
I'd like to add to this. I can't believe a class rep is saying this and it makes me reevaluate if the class reps know what they are talking about. Sustain sucks! Mages wrath in addition to being able to be dodged twice is flat out broken, if the target moves too fast after the initial cast it will not land, this is being exploited to no end. Streak cost to dam much for how slow it is 80% of the time you get knocked down before the skills animation finishes, why doesn't this work as fast as cloak? Frags misses twice as much as it land and its to dam slow as well, I'm not talking about it being dodged either it just will miss. Over all the Sorc skills are to unreliable.
I'm not saying you can't be successful on a Sorc but its a very frustrating play style as the feel of the skills are off. To call them top tier is a flat out lie.
Yaaa i wasnt going to say anything but i really really hope this guy is a minority among the reps when they talk about sorc.
Well I guess either a few people on the forum or the entire class rep team, some of the best open world pvper and dueler and a the whole sorc class discord is wrong then....
You can choose
thats the problem, Some of the BEST. not everyone is at that lvl and the average not pet sorc is getting annihilated by everything else even at the same skill lvl
ya there are extremely good sorc but the average sorc is getting blown tf away by everything0 -
Checkmath✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bumi Rockafella wrote: »
I'd like to add to this. I can't believe a class rep is saying this and it makes me reevaluate if the class reps know what they are talking about. Sustain sucks! Mages wrath in addition to being able to be dodged twice is flat out broken, if the target moves too fast after the initial cast it will not land, this is being exploited to no end. Streak cost to dam much for how slow it is 80% of the time you get knocked down before the skills animation finishes, why doesn't this work as fast as cloak? Frags misses twice as much as it land and its to dam slow as well, I'm not talking about it being dodged either it just will miss. Over all the Sorc skills are to unreliable.
I'm not saying you can't be successful on a Sorc but its a very frustrating play style as the feel of the skills are off. To call them top tier is a flat out lie.
Yaaa i wasnt going to say anything but i really really hope this guy is a minority among the reps when they talk about sorc.
Well I guess either a few people on the forum or the entire class rep team, some of the best open world pvper and dueler and a the whole sorc class discord is wrong then....
You can choose
thats the problem, Some of the BEST. not everyone is at that lvl and the average not pet sorc is getting annihilated by everything else even at the same skill lvl
ya there are extremely good sorc but the average sorc is getting blown tf away by everything
In that case the claim of magsorcs being weak is still wrong....stating something is ***, just because you can not do it is just bs.
I can tell an average magicka player to go play stamnb, because it is super strong and he will definitely cmoe back after one day complaining about how stamnbs suck.
This is a matter of perspective but the perspective of some people is extremely flawed by their own experience (in the case of magsorc bad experience).11 -
Karm1cOne✭✭✭✭✭Sorcs, whether we agree how good or bad they are, need a few quality of life improvements. Streak keeping momentum. Mages wrath not hitting for no reason. Pet AI improvements. And, though not sorc specific, bleeds and shield breaker need to be looked at. Unmitigatable damage is kinda bs.2 -
ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Bumi Rockafella wrote: »
I'd like to add to this. I can't believe a class rep is saying this and it makes me reevaluate if the class reps know what they are talking about. Sustain sucks! Mages wrath in addition to being able to be dodged twice is flat out broken, if the target moves too fast after the initial cast it will not land, this is being exploited to no end. Streak cost to dam much for how slow it is 80% of the time you get knocked down before the skills animation finishes, why doesn't this work as fast as cloak? Frags misses twice as much as it land and its to dam slow as well, I'm not talking about it being dodged either it just will miss. Over all the Sorc skills are to unreliable.
I'm not saying you can't be successful on a Sorc but its a very frustrating play style as the feel of the skills are off. To call them top tier is a flat out lie.
Yaaa i wasnt going to say anything but i really really hope this guy is a minority among the reps when they talk about sorc.
Well I guess either a few people on the forum or the entire class rep team, some of the best open world pvper and dueler and a the whole sorc class discord is wrong then....
You can choose
thats the problem, Some of the BEST. not everyone is at that lvl and the average not pet sorc is getting annihilated by everything else even at the same skill lvl
ya there are extremely good sorc but the average sorc is getting blown tf away by everything
In that case the claim of magsorcs being weak is still wrong....stating something is ***, just because you can not do it is just bs.
I can tell an average magicka player to go play stamnb, because it is super strong and he will definitely cmoe back after one day complaining about how stamnbs suck.
This is a matter of perspective but the perspective of some people is extremely flawed by their own experience (in the case of magsorc bad experience).
its not like im a bad sorc, i didnt just pick it up. im average and experienced at it. people i could kill before and people who it was a 50/50 against before are now effortlessly destroying my in 3 seconds....0 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭PhoenixGrey wrote: »From a pure solo player's perspective I would consider anything top tier only if it performs consistently inside a competitive environment
High MMR BG's is the closest we have got to a competitive environment and when you put in the top tier BG players in the same BG , that's when you notice the real clunkiness of the class.
Your frags will be dodged / reflected due to its million years travel time. Your trash execute will be dodged
You will have DK's with 100% uptime on wings
You will have multiple sload dots on you
You will be playing in ice fields
You will be perma snared
You will be chain pulled when you try to escape
You will have multiple bleeds ticking on you
You can even expect a bunch of nightblades wearing shieldbreaker !
All those hardcounters haven't been addressed but that's how the real meta looks like. The only thing that does help is the invaluable martiach heal but it only migitates the problem. Its not in a controlled duel environment or a potato farming expedition with a small scale group or a 1vX where I admit that sorc excels right now !
The sorcs in this forum and class reps here already know this but still sorc is top tier right ? I pretty sure a mega sorc nerf is coming but the class reps really need to think about it !
You complain about DKs wings despite magSorc has some of the best skills to counter wings? I mean, Curse and Fury are really annoying. And you use force pulse as main spammable. Even Cage goes through wings.
If you have problems with wings, then I suggest you never go ranged Mageblade.Edited by Xvorg on March 19, 2019 1:41PMSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
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Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭psychotic13 wrote: »I miss dw sorc
I miss the days, were sorc qq actually was valid....oh wait.
Magsorc is considered the strongest magicka pvp class right now for duels and open world.
Battlegrounds get dominated by zoos, open world magsorcs have the best toolkit amongst magclasses to kite and lure out enemies till you can burst down one by one. In duels the spam of clench and weaving in the frags and curses deals extremely high damage with the amplitude passive. I am really not sure, why some people did not realize how strong magicka sorcerers are right now.
What have you done...
I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.2 -
Checkmath✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »I miss dw sorc
I miss the days, were sorc qq actually was valid....oh wait.
Magsorc is considered the strongest magicka pvp class right now for duels and open world.
Battlegrounds get dominated by zoos, open world magsorcs have the best toolkit amongst magclasses to kite and lure out enemies till you can burst down one by one. In duels the spam of clench and weaving in the frags and curses deals extremely high damage with the amplitude passive. I am really not sure, why some people did not realize how strong magicka sorcerers are right now.
What have you done...
Hmmm what does it look like @Ragnaroek93 ?0 -
Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »I miss dw sorc
I miss the days, were sorc qq actually was valid....oh wait.
Magsorc is considered the strongest magicka pvp class right now for duels and open world.
Battlegrounds get dominated by zoos, open world magsorcs have the best toolkit amongst magclasses to kite and lure out enemies till you can burst down one by one. In duels the spam of clench and weaving in the frags and curses deals extremely high damage with the amplitude passive. I am really not sure, why some people did not realize how strong magicka sorcerers are right now.
What have you done...
Hmmm what does it look like @Ragnaroek93 ?
Looks like a nice thread which I would read again
I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.0 -
Checkmath✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »I miss dw sorc
I miss the days, were sorc qq actually was valid....oh wait.
Magsorc is considered the strongest magicka pvp class right now for duels and open world.
Battlegrounds get dominated by zoos, open world magsorcs have the best toolkit amongst magclasses to kite and lure out enemies till you can burst down one by one. In duels the spam of clench and weaving in the frags and curses deals extremely high damage with the amplitude passive. I am really not sure, why some people did not realize how strong magicka sorcerers are right now.
What have you done...
Hmmm what does it look like @Ragnaroek93 ?
Looks like a nice thread which I would read again
The thread immediately was linked in the sorc discord, when OP posted it. I guess some people had a pretty good laugh.3 -
ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »I miss dw sorc
I miss the days, were sorc qq actually was valid....oh wait.
Magsorc is considered the strongest magicka pvp class right now for duels and open world.
Battlegrounds get dominated by zoos, open world magsorcs have the best toolkit amongst magclasses to kite and lure out enemies till you can burst down one by one. In duels the spam of clench and weaving in the frags and curses deals extremely high damage with the amplitude passive. I am really not sure, why some people did not realize how strong magicka sorcerers are right now.
What have you done...
excellent rep program
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Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »I miss dw sorc
I miss the days, were sorc qq actually was valid....oh wait.
Magsorc is considered the strongest magicka pvp class right now for duels and open world.
Battlegrounds get dominated by zoos, open world magsorcs have the best toolkit amongst magclasses to kite and lure out enemies till you can burst down one by one. In duels the spam of clench and weaving in the frags and curses deals extremely high damage with the amplitude passive. I am really not sure, why some people did not realize how strong magicka sorcerers are right now.
Mage sorc is no where near stamden, stamplars , Nbs or DKs. Reason is simple . Magic sorc have hard counters with no debuffs , no snares, No snare removal, CCs with highly telegraphed burst ( Garbage and only good at killing potatoes). If you killed by mage sorc in PVP then there is something you need to L2P. Period. On 1VX you will be eaten alive vs good group. No way you can escape. I have every counter you have whatever you can throw. If you streak I will gap close or pull chain. Your streak explode in costs.
No matter how hard NB & DK class representatives crying hard shamelessly . Mage sorc is complete bottom tier in PVP.
On the other side, Mage sorc seen some improvement in PVE. It cannot compete with NB or Stamden still, but gap is somewhat closer than before in PVE. PVP its gone a lot lot worse than before.
Please start lying with some potato videos. Cry NBs, wardens and DKs are weak in PVP. So much afraid of competitive gameplay and balanced game always needs more cheese as existing cheese is not sufficient ?
I cannot blame people who lie and cry for cheese. Its ZOs fault still classes are balanced.
" Magsorc is considered the strongest magicka pvp class right now for duels and open world." This is such a shameless lie. Anyway good joke.
Please duel my DK or any top DKs with your mage sorc and win atleast 1 in 100 matches.
I'd like to add to this. I can't believe a class rep is saying this and it makes me reevaluate if the class reps know what they are talking about. Sustain sucks! Mages wrath in addition to being able to be dodged twice is flat out broken, if the target moves too fast after the initial cast it will not land, this is being exploited to no end. Streak cost to dam much for how slow it is 80% of the time you get knocked down before the skills animation finishes, why doesn't this work as fast as cloak? Frags misses twice as much as it land and its to dam slow as well, I'm not talking about it being dodged either it just will miss. Over all the Sorc skills are to unreliable.
I'm not saying you can't be successful on a Sorc but its a very frustrating play style as the feel of the skills are off. To call them top tier is a flat out lie.
Frustrating I can agree with, I already posted a slew of bugs and annoying things that need to be fixed with our class, and our rep is aware of all of them.
My argument is that the class is top tier outside of those annoying bugs, and fixing them will make our gameplay much smoother and more enjoyable. The bugs are irritating yes, but the fact is you CAN still be extremely successful on a sorc.Sorcs are fine in PVP, you just need to learn how to build and play in the new meta.
The class just isn't "carry me" broken anymore, you need to build like EVERY other class. You need to invest in crit resist, surprise, just like everyone. You need to invest in armor, hell you can use a monster set, boundless storm, or protective jewelry and be fine in light armor. There are defensive sets like armor master and impreg if you're really having problems, or slot the psijic ult with minor protection. You need to add a little health with some tri-stat glyphs. When you do, shields are actually stronger than they were before, and you're not one hit squish under that shield stack.
Damage is still really good, just build for it. ZOS just added sets like spell strat that give you about 1000 spell damage single target. Spinner is still a solid damage set. Stacking penetration works on everyone and scales great with our damage.
Pets are a significant percentage of our class toolkit, you leave a lot on the table by not using one. Three skills, and at least as many passives. Devs made them worth using now this patch, probably getting ready for Necromancer. I hate pets too, but you leave a lot on the table by not using one.
We are in a really good place, and I haven't felt this way about the sorc class in a long time. I'll be really surprised TBH if we don't see a nerf next patch. Why? Because ZOS can't leave a good thing alone.
This is bs imo
We have to invest more than everyone else
Shackle over a dmg set
A sustain set over a damage set
We need to invest in all 3 stat pools, stam gets to use 2 and at the very least the other classes have something to help with health boost
dont get to use divs anymore, has to be impen
dont get to use jewelry trait anymore, has to be protective
requires another damn set so your loosing your sustain set you already needed
no monster set because we have to use a defensive one
at this rate were losing out by not going heavy, but oh wait sorcs sustain is ***
I'm not running a sustain set, and I'm doing fine?
* Harness - use when fighting a magicka spec, the magicka return is strong.
* Elemental drain - excellent magicka return attacking someone, and you get major breach on top of that.
* Dark Exchange - you get one of these for free after every CC. You should always have the 20 second magicka return over time from this going.
* Breton race - already has a five piece sustain set baked into the passives.
* Destruction Expert - make sure your killing blow is done with a destro staff skill, it's refunded.
* Endless fury - if you can make this work, I prefer the destruction staff though.
The sustain is fine if you understand how to make the game mechanics work and how to play the game. It takes practice, and some stamina sustain that you should already have playing in Cyrodiil.3 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Sorcs, whether we agree how good or bad they are, need a few quality of life improvements. Streak keeping momentum. Mages wrath not hitting for no reason. Pet AI improvements. And, though not sorc specific, bleeds and shield breaker need to be looked at. Unmitigatable damage is kinda bs.
This would go a looong way. Don't forget targeting problems with the "instant" Frag proc!0 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭oxygen_thief wrote: »
what is working here? where are dks wings, wardens shields, nbs incaps, bleeds and other nasty staff? where are groups with dedicated healers and stan on kd. you can shoot like this with every build but serious guys will eat you alive
We can still do really well against all of the above with a good build and a whole lot of L2P.
Sorcs have a pair of strong, heavily armored shields and a burst heal. We don't go down easy on the defense either. Imagine how they feel against US?
we have a weak shield that is pathetic and can kill things or we have a giant shield and no damage or sustain.
by burst heal
if you mean twilight it requires 2 bar slots, can be killed and is less than bol
if you mean exchange, its on a delay and still does less than bol
not to mention shields take up 3 bar slots, are on gcd so if of falls off while your trying to fight and not spam shields and have to wait a full second before casting another.
how do they feel against us? pretty damn good with there wings, and bol's and cloak and heavy stam dmg sets that are up 24/7 requiring no bar slots decent, heals
Twlilight takes two bar slots, but it replaces both healing ward and mutagen/rapid Regen. It takes one extra bar slot and the thing is worth it. You can also use sword and board back bar, defending trait, and get another 3-4K armor.
You need to look at what you're leaving on the table by not using a pet and make that decision for yourself.
Wear impen trait armor, invest in crit resist CP, and put on some protective jewelry, boundless storm, or bloodspawn set. Shields are extremely strong this patch with only a little investment. What's more important, is that extra protection let's you get more aggressive in a fight because you won't be one shot. Shields only need two bar slots with a matriarch BTW.
Edited by Minalan on March 19, 2019 2:44PM2 -
ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »I miss dw sorc
I miss the days, were sorc qq actually was valid....oh wait.
Magsorc is considered the strongest magicka pvp class right now for duels and open world.
Battlegrounds get dominated by zoos, open world magsorcs have the best toolkit amongst magclasses to kite and lure out enemies till you can burst down one by one. In duels the spam of clench and weaving in the frags and curses deals extremely high damage with the amplitude passive. I am really not sure, why some people did not realize how strong magicka sorcerers are right now.
Mage sorc is no where near stamden, stamplars , Nbs or DKs. Reason is simple . Magic sorc have hard counters with no debuffs , no snares, No snare removal, CCs with highly telegraphed burst ( Garbage and only good at killing potatoes). If you killed by mage sorc in PVP then there is something you need to L2P. Period. On 1VX you will be eaten alive vs good group. No way you can escape. I have every counter you have whatever you can throw. If you streak I will gap close or pull chain. Your streak explode in costs.
No matter how hard NB & DK class representatives crying hard shamelessly . Mage sorc is complete bottom tier in PVP.
On the other side, Mage sorc seen some improvement in PVE. It cannot compete with NB or Stamden still, but gap is somewhat closer than before in PVE. PVP its gone a lot lot worse than before.
Please start lying with some potato videos. Cry NBs, wardens and DKs are weak in PVP. So much afraid of competitive gameplay and balanced game always needs more cheese as existing cheese is not sufficient ? I cannot blame people who lie and cry for cheese. Its ZOs fault still classes are balanced.
" Magsorc is considered the strongest magicka pvp class right now for duels and open world." This is such a shameless lie. Anyway good joke.
Please duel my DK or any top DKs with your mage sorc and win atleast 1 in 100 matches.
I'd like to add to this. I can't believe a class rep is saying this and it makes me reevaluate if the class reps know what they are talking about. Sustain sucks! Mages wrath in addition to being able to be dodged twice is flat out broken, if the target moves too fast after the initial cast it will not land, this is being exploited to no end. Streak cost to dam much for how slow it is 80% of the time you get knocked down before the skills animation finishes, why doesn't this work as fast as cloak? Frags misses twice as much as it land and its to dam slow as well, I'm not talking about it being dodged either it just will miss. Over all the Sorc skills are to unreliable.
I'm not saying you can't be successful on a Sorc but its a very frustrating play style as the feel of the skills are off. To call them top tier is a flat out lie.
Frustrating I can agree with, I already posted a slew of bugs and annoying things that need to be fixed with our class, and our rep is aware of all of them.
My argument is that the class is top tier outside of those annoying bugs, and fixing them will make our gameplay much smoother and more enjoyable. The bugs are irritating yes, but the fact is you CAN still be extremely successful on a sorc.Sorcs are fine in PVP, you just need to learn how to build and play in the new meta.
The class just isn't "carry me" broken anymore, you need to build like EVERY other class. You need to invest in crit resist, surprise, just like everyone. You need to invest in armor, hell you can use a monster set, boundless storm, or protective jewelry and be fine in light armor. There are defensive sets like armor master and impreg if you're really having problems, or slot the psijic ult with minor protection. You need to add a little health with some tri-stat glyphs. When you do, shields are actually stronger than they were before, and you're not one hit squish under that shield stack.
Damage is still really good, just build for it. ZOS just added sets like spell strat that give you about 1000 spell damage single target. Spinner is still a solid damage set. Stacking penetration works on everyone and scales great with our damage.
Pets are a significant percentage of our class toolkit, you leave a lot on the table by not using one. Three skills, and at least as many passives. Devs made them worth using now this patch, probably getting ready for Necromancer. I hate pets too, but you leave a lot on the table by not using one.
We are in a really good place, and I haven't felt this way about the sorc class in a long time. I'll be really surprised TBH if we don't see a nerf next patch. Why? Because ZOS can't leave a good thing alone.
This is bs imo
We have to invest more than everyone else
Shackle over a dmg set
A sustain set over a damage set
We need to invest in all 3 stat pools, stam gets to use 2 and at the very least the other classes have something to help with health boost
dont get to use divs anymore, has to be impen
dont get to use jewelry trait anymore, has to be protective
requires another damn set so your loosing your sustain set you already needed
no monster set because we have to use a defensive one
at this rate were losing out by not going heavy, but oh wait sorcs sustain is ***
I'm not running a sustain set, and I'm doing fine?
* Harness - use when fighting a magicka spec, the magicka return is strong.
* Elemental drain - excellent magicka return attacking someone, and you get major breach on top of that.
* Dark Exchange - you get one of these for free after every CC. You should always have the 20 second magicka return over time from this going.
* Breton race - already has a five piece sustain set baked into the passives.
* Destruction Expert - make sure your killing blow is done with a destro staff skill, it's refunded.
* Endless fury - if you can make this work, I prefer the destruction staff though.
The sustain is fine if you understand how to make the game mechanics work and how to play the game. It takes practice, and some stamina sustain that you should already have playing in Cyrodiil.
you run anything with breton your fine sustain wise. I shouldnt need all that *** to last over a minute in a figh0 -
Malamar1229✭✭✭✭✭
✭Any magsorcs in this thread arguing magsorcs are subpar or not close to other classes are living in a fantasy world. Magsorcs are arguable over performing in certain areas, and since pigeonholed Into matriarch builds and given recent pet buffs, perform very well open world and in duels. Hell you dont even need matriarch in duels. We've had sorcs place first in Legends tournaments without using matriarch.
Also I play 4 mag sorcs, so def no bias here.7 -
ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭oxygen_thief wrote: »
what is working here? where are dks wings, wardens shields, nbs incaps, bleeds and other nasty staff? where are groups with dedicated healers and stan on kd. you can shoot like this with every build but serious guys will eat you alive
We can still do really well against all of the above with a good build and a whole lot of L2P.
Sorcs have a pair of strong, heavily armored shields and a burst heal. We don't go down easy on the defense either. Imagine how they feel against US?
we have a weak shield that is pathetic and can kill things or we have a giant shield and no damage or sustain.
by burst heal
if you mean twilight it requires 2 bar slots, can be killed and is less than bol
if you mean exchange, its on a delay and still does less than bol
not to mention shields take up 3 bar slots, are on gcd so if of falls off while your trying to fight and not spam shields and have to wait a full second before casting another.
how do they feel against us? pretty damn good with there wings, and bol's and cloak and heavy stam dmg sets that are up 24/7 requiring no bar slots decent, heals
Twlilight takes two bar slots, but it replaces both healing ward and mutagen/rapid Regen. It takes one extra bar slot and the thing is worth it. You can also use sword and board back bar, defending trait, and get another 3-4K armor.
You need to look at what you're leaving on the table by not using a pet and make that decision for yourself.
Wear impen trait armor, invest in crit resist CP, and put on some protective jewelry, boundless storm, or bloodspawn set. Shields are extremely strong this patch with only a little investment. What's more important, is that extra protection let's you get more aggressive in a fight because you won't be one shot. Shields only need two bar slots with a matriarch BTW.
thats not a little investment thats 500 sp, 3k mag, a monster set, boundless is taking up another bar slot
and ya, it would make me tankier but i would loose out on way to much damage and sustain. I can be tanky and not kill or sustain or have damage and sustain but not live long enough to set up a burst. Either way results in me needing to let a damge zerg get my target down to 20% so i can stand somewhere and spam wrath.
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✭✭✭Malamar1229 wrote: »Any magsorcs in this thread arguing magsorcs are subpar or not close to other classes are living in a fantasy world. Magsorcs are arguable over performing in certain areas, and since pigeonholed Into matriarch builds and given recent pet buffs, perform very well open world and in duels. Hell you dont even need matriarch in duels. We've had sorcs place first in Legends tournaments without using matriarch.
Also I play 4 mag sorcs, so def no bias here.
But you're better off with the Matriarch. So how do you balance that? Nerf it so sorcs become meh again? Or leave it, but have the sorc struggle when the pet won't cooperate in Cyrodiil? Buff no-pet and risk pet build becoming OP?
See what I'm getting at? The class has flaws in its design that could really use a rework. And with our reps praising sorc here and there, I can already smell a nerf à là Rune Cage 2.0 incoming...
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✭Malamar1229 wrote: »Any magsorcs in this thread arguing magsorcs are subpar or not close to other classes are living in a fantasy world. Magsorcs are arguable over performing in certain areas, and since pigeonholed Into matriarch builds and given recent pet buffs, perform very well open world and in duels. Hell you dont even need matriarch in duels. We've had sorcs place first in Legends tournaments without using matriarch.
Also I play 4 mag sorcs, so def no bias here.
But you're better off with the Matriarch. So how do you balance that? Nerf it so sorcs become meh again? Or leave it, but have the sorc struggle when the pet won't cooperate in Cyrodiil? Buff no-pet and risk pet build becoming OP?
See what I'm getting at? The class has flaws in its design that could really use a rework. And with our reps praising sorc here and there, I can already smell a nerf à là Rune Cage 2.0 incoming...
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Pet build becoming OP? They are already.
Non-pet builds also are strong, as Malamar wrote.
Not sure if you just blend stuff out, which does not match your opinion. Malamar clearly wrote that both specs of magsorcs, pet and non-pet are very strong. With pets it just starts to get obnoxious. The class needs some quality of life improvements, not changes to their tools.3 -
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✭✭✭Malamar1229 wrote: »Any magsorcs in this thread arguing magsorcs are subpar or not close to other classes are living in a fantasy world. Magsorcs are arguable over performing in certain areas, and since pigeonholed Into matriarch builds and given recent pet buffs, perform very well open world and in duels. Hell you dont even need matriarch in duels. We've had sorcs place first in Legends tournaments without using matriarch.
Also I play 4 mag sorcs, so def no bias here.
But you're better off with the Matriarch. So how do you balance that? Nerf it so sorcs become meh again? Or leave it, but have the sorc struggle when the pet won't cooperate in Cyrodiil? Buff no-pet and risk pet build becoming OP?
See what I'm getting at? The class has flaws in its design that could really use a rework. And with our reps praising sorc here and there, I can already smell a nerf à là Rune Cage 2.0 incoming...
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Pet build becoming OP? They are already.
Non-pet builds also are strong, as Malamar wrote.
Not sure if you just blend stuff out, which does not match your opinion. Malamar clearly wrote that both specs of magsorcs, pet and non-pet are very strong. With pets it just starts to get obnoxious. The class needs some quality of life improvements, not changes to their tools.
Eh. Seen some overpowered stuff in this game. A single twilight really isn't on the same level. But okay, I think it's semantics only. So for argument's sake, let's say that twilight build is top tier. Plus, even. What will your discussion with ZOS be in the future? Will you suggest a nerf, as they're so strong? And what quality of life do you have in mind?0 -
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✭Bumi Rockafella wrote: »
I'd like to add to this. I can't believe a class rep is saying this and it makes me reevaluate if the class reps know what they are talking about. Sustain sucks! Mages wrath in addition to being able to be dodged twice is flat out broken, if the target moves too fast after the initial cast it will not land, this is being exploited to no end. Streak cost to dam much for how slow it is 80% of the time you get knocked down before the skills animation finishes, why doesn't this work as fast as cloak? Frags misses twice as much as it land and its to dam slow as well, I'm not talking about it being dodged either it just will miss. Over all the Sorc skills are to unreliable.
I'm not saying you can't be successful on a Sorc but its a very frustrating play style as the feel of the skills are off. To call them top tier is a flat out lie.
Yaaa i wasnt going to say anything but i really really hope this guy is a minority among the reps when they talk about sorc.
Well I guess either a few people on the forum or the entire class rep team, some of the best open world pvper and dueler and a the whole sorc class discord is wrong then....
You can choose
I think for a more accurate view of how a class performs, you need to step outside of cyrodiil and duels and look at BGs. Cyrodiil is full of potatoes which means easy farming for magsorcs. Similarly, duels don’t offer a well rounded view either since some classes function much differently in a structured group environment. Wardens for instance do far better in team vs team, where they synergize well with their group, and NBs are pretty much the opposite.
In the structured group play environment of high MMR BGs, you get a much more accurate view of how sorcs perform, and they are not OP or even in the strongest tier. They synergize decently well within a group, but there are plenty of hard counters, and they tend to do best when they can play off competent teammates.
Magsorcs still have bad sustain and build flexibility issues, and their burst combo relies on telegraphed abilities. Compare that to warden which gets a burst that hits just as hard, is aoe, and is front-ended.2 -
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Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭Bumi Rockafella wrote: »
I'd like to add to this. I can't believe a class rep is saying this and it makes me reevaluate if the class reps know what they are talking about. Sustain sucks! Mages wrath in addition to being able to be dodged twice is flat out broken, if the target moves too fast after the initial cast it will not land, this is being exploited to no end. Streak cost to dam much for how slow it is 80% of the time you get knocked down before the skills animation finishes, why doesn't this work as fast as cloak? Frags misses twice as much as it land and its to dam slow as well, I'm not talking about it being dodged either it just will miss. Over all the Sorc skills are to unreliable.
I'm not saying you can't be successful on a Sorc but its a very frustrating play style as the feel of the skills are off. To call them top tier is a flat out lie.
Yaaa i wasnt going to say anything but i really really hope this guy is a minority among the reps when they talk about sorc.
Well I guess either a few people on the forum or the entire class rep team, some of the best open world pvper and dueler and a the whole sorc class discord is wrong then....
You can choose
thats the problem, Some of the BEST. not everyone is at that lvl and the average not pet sorc is getting annihilated by everything else even at the same skill lvl
ya there are extremely good sorc but the average sorc is getting blown tf away by everything
In that case the claim of magsorcs being weak is still wrong....stating something is ***, just because you can not do it is just bs.
I can tell an average magicka player to go play stamnb, because it is super strong and he will definitely cmoe back after one day complaining about how stamnbs suck.
This is a matter of perspective but the perspective of some people is extremely flawed by their own experience (in the case of magsorc bad experience).
Come and face me in 1v1 with your mage sorc. I want to see how mage sorc is op.Emma_Overload wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »I miss dw sorc
I miss the days, were sorc qq actually was valid....oh wait.
Magsorc is considered the strongest magicka pvp class right now for duels and open world.
Battlegrounds get dominated by zoos, open world magsorcs have the best toolkit amongst magclasses to kite and lure out enemies till you can burst down one by one. In duels the spam of clench and weaving in the frags and curses deals extremely high damage with the amplitude passive. I am really not sure, why some people did not realize how strong magicka sorcerers are right now.
Because my Frags crit for 7K on the Nightblade who just killed me with a 16K Assassin's Will?
I don't know what's going on on EU server, but Sorcs feel very underpowered on NA PC.
You dont tell 1 point why magic sorc is op. I can tell lot of reasons why mage sorc is lacking and cannot counter other classes. All you are doing is qq. X says this Y Says that. So magic sorc is op. Please proceed with personal agenda.
A mage class without a debuff , no CC ( I dont consider rune cage a cc not even close ) no snares, no snare removal, all dodgeable/purgeable skills is op in PVP. All hail class representatives. Greatest pros of all time.
What buffs are coming to NBs and DKs in next patch so called stealthly game play?
I heard next patch orcs can fly in the air as many noobs streamers have hard time to kill?
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✭Malamar1229 wrote: »Any magsorcs in this thread arguing magsorcs are subpar or not close to other classes are living in a fantasy world. Magsorcs are arguable over performing in certain areas, and since pigeonholed Into matriarch builds and given recent pet buffs, perform very well open world and in duels. Hell you dont even need matriarch in duels. We've had sorcs place first in Legends tournaments without using matriarch.
Also I play 4 mag sorcs, so def no bias here.
But you're better off with the Matriarch. So how do you balance that? Nerf it so sorcs become meh again? Or leave it, but have the sorc struggle when the pet won't cooperate in Cyrodiil? Buff no-pet and risk pet build becoming OP?
See what I'm getting at? The class has flaws in its design that could really use a rework. And with our reps praising sorc here and there, I can already smell a nerf à là Rune Cage 2.0 incoming...
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Pet build becoming OP? They are already.
Non-pet builds also are strong, as Malamar wrote.
Not sure if you just blend stuff out, which does not match your opinion. Malamar clearly wrote that both specs of magsorcs, pet and non-pet are very strong. With pets it just starts to get obnoxious. The class needs some quality of life improvements, not changes to their tools.
Eh. Seen some overpowered stuff in this game. A single twilight really isn't on the same level. But okay, I think it's semantics only. So for argument's sake, let's say that twilight build is top tier. Plus, even. What will your discussion with ZOS be in the future? Will you suggest a nerf, as they're so strong? And what quality of life do you have in mind?
With quality of life stuff i meant some help for streak, not getting stuck at the end of the animation, no bugging anymore with being stuck in casting a ward, maybe some frag travel time increase... streak cost increase is fine and streak needs to be casted wisely, its not meant to be used more than 2 times in a row and the sustain can be covered by recasting wards and casting a dark deal between streaks to not get the cost penalty.
Matriarch does up to 2k damage with a single light attack in a duel. Its dps is actually better than the scamp. Thats 2k afk damage you do not have to work for. There is not a single dot in the game, which comes close to that. The damage is pretty much nuts and is a reason why 2 slots are justified for the matriarch.
Currently some topic, which came up in the discussion with many magsorc players, is the skill daedric prey (the pet curse), which enhances pets damage on the target tremendiously (also from proc pets like shadowrend or maw of infernal). Sorc players suggested changing that one into a dot ability instead delayed burst to help out in pve dps. But the buff to oets damage would need to be reevaluated.2 -
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✭✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »I miss dw sorc
I miss the days, were sorc qq actually was valid....oh wait.
Magsorc is considered the strongest magicka pvp class right now for duels and open world.
Battlegrounds get dominated by zoos, open world magsorcs have the best toolkit amongst magclasses to kite and lure out enemies till you can burst down one by one. In duels the spam of clench and weaving in the frags and curses deals extremely high damage with the amplitude passive. I am really not sure, why some people did not realize how strong magicka sorcerers are right now.
Mage sorc is no where near stamden, stamplars , Nbs or DKs. Reason is simple . Magic sorc have hard counters with no debuffs , no snares, No snare removal, CCs with highly telegraphed burst ( Garbage and only good at killing potatoes). If you killed by mage sorc in PVP then there is something you need to L2P. Period. On 1VX you will be eaten alive vs good group. No way you can escape. I have every counter you have whatever you can throw. If you streak I will gap close or pull chain. Your streak explode in costs.
No matter how hard NB & DK class representatives crying hard shamelessly . Mage sorc is complete bottom tier in PVP.
On the other side, Mage sorc seen some improvement in PVE. It cannot compete with NB or Stamden still, but gap is somewhat closer than before in PVE. PVP its gone a lot lot worse than before.
Please start lying with some potato videos. Cry NBs, wardens and DKs are weak in PVP. So much afraid of competitive gameplay and balanced game always needs more cheese as existing cheese is not sufficient ? I cannot blame people who lie and cry for cheese. Its ZOs fault still classes are balanced.
" Magsorc is considered the strongest magicka pvp class right now for duels and open world." This is such a shameless lie. Anyway good joke.
Please duel my DK or any top DKs with your mage sorc and win atleast 1 in 100 matches.
I'd like to add to this. I can't believe a class rep is saying this and it makes me reevaluate if the class reps know what they are talking about. Sustain sucks! Mages wrath in addition to being able to be dodged twice is flat out broken, if the target moves too fast after the initial cast it will not land, this is being exploited to no end. Streak cost to dam much for how slow it is 80% of the time you get knocked down before the skills animation finishes, why doesn't this work as fast as cloak? Frags misses twice as much as it land and its to dam slow as well, I'm not talking about it being dodged either it just will miss. Over all the Sorc skills are to unreliable.
I'm not saying you can't be successful on a Sorc but its a very frustrating play style as the feel of the skills are off. To call them top tier is a flat out lie.
Frustrating I can agree with, I already posted a slew of bugs and annoying things that need to be fixed with our class, and our rep is aware of all of them.
My argument is that the class is top tier outside of those annoying bugs, and fixing them will make our gameplay much smoother and more enjoyable. The bugs are irritating yes, but the fact is you CAN still be extremely successful on a sorc.Sorcs are fine in PVP, you just need to learn how to build and play in the new meta.
The class just isn't "carry me" broken anymore, you need to build like EVERY other class. You need to invest in crit resist, surprise, just like everyone. You need to invest in armor, hell you can use a monster set, boundless storm, or protective jewelry and be fine in light armor. There are defensive sets like armor master and impreg if you're really having problems, or slot the psijic ult with minor protection. You need to add a little health with some tri-stat glyphs. When you do, shields are actually stronger than they were before, and you're not one hit squish under that shield stack.
Damage is still really good, just build for it. ZOS just added sets like spell strat that give you about 1000 spell damage single target. Spinner is still a solid damage set. Stacking penetration works on everyone and scales great with our damage.
Pets are a significant percentage of our class toolkit, you leave a lot on the table by not using one. Three skills, and at least as many passives. Devs made them worth using now this patch, probably getting ready for Necromancer. I hate pets too, but you leave a lot on the table by not using one.
We are in a really good place, and I haven't felt this way about the sorc class in a long time. I'll be really surprised TBH if we don't see a nerf next patch. Why? Because ZOS can't leave a good thing alone.
This is bs imo
We have to invest more than everyone else
Shackle over a dmg set
A sustain set over a damage set
We need to invest in all 3 stat pools, stam gets to use 2 and at the very least the other classes have something to help with health boost
dont get to use divs anymore, has to be impen
dont get to use jewelry trait anymore, has to be protective
requires another damn set so your loosing your sustain set you already needed
no monster set because we have to use a defensive one
at this rate were losing out by not going heavy, but oh wait sorcs sustain is ***
I'm not running a sustain set, and I'm doing fine?
* Harness - use when fighting a magicka spec, the magicka return is strong.
* Elemental drain - excellent magicka return attacking someone, and you get major breach on top of that.
* Dark Exchange - you get one of these for free after every CC. You should always have the 20 second magicka return over time from this going.
* Breton race - already has a five piece sustain set baked into the passives.
* Destruction Expert - make sure your killing blow is done with a destro staff skill, it's refunded.
* Endless fury - if you can make this work, I prefer the destruction staff though.
The sustain is fine if you understand how to make the game mechanics work and how to play the game. It takes practice, and some stamina sustain that you should already have playing in Cyrodiil.
you run anything with breton your fine sustain wise. I shouldnt need all that *** to last over a minute in a figh
It's your choice to run an altmer with their five piece damage set passive instead of a sustain one.
It's also your CHOICE to run a sustain SET over the atro mundus, jewelry Regen glyphs, magicka restore weapon glyphs, magicka steal poisons, magicka Regen foods, or use any of the methods that I mentioned above.
Me? I'd rather hit like a runaway truck and make people respawn here to *** about sorcs being OP.
Just don't go complaining about not doing any damage, while I and many others are doing plenty. You made a choice that's best for you and your own playstyle.2 -
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✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »Bumi Rockafella wrote: »
I'd like to add to this. I can't believe a class rep is saying this and it makes me reevaluate if the class reps know what they are talking about. Sustain sucks! Mages wrath in addition to being able to be dodged twice is flat out broken, if the target moves too fast after the initial cast it will not land, this is being exploited to no end. Streak cost to dam much for how slow it is 80% of the time you get knocked down before the skills animation finishes, why doesn't this work as fast as cloak? Frags misses twice as much as it land and its to dam slow as well, I'm not talking about it being dodged either it just will miss. Over all the Sorc skills are to unreliable.
I'm not saying you can't be successful on a Sorc but its a very frustrating play style as the feel of the skills are off. To call them top tier is a flat out lie.
Yaaa i wasnt going to say anything but i really really hope this guy is a minority among the reps when they talk about sorc.
Well I guess either a few people on the forum or the entire class rep team, some of the best open world pvper and dueler and a the whole sorc class discord is wrong then....
You can choose
thats the problem, Some of the BEST. not everyone is at that lvl and the average not pet sorc is getting annihilated by everything else even at the same skill lvl
ya there are extremely good sorc but the average sorc is getting blown tf away by everything
In that case the claim of magsorcs being weak is still wrong....stating something is ***, just because you can not do it is just bs.
I can tell an average magicka player to go play stamnb, because it is super strong and he will definitely cmoe back after one day complaining about how stamnbs suck.
This is a matter of perspective but the perspective of some people is extremely flawed by their own experience (in the case of magsorc bad experience).
Come and face me inEmma_Overload wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »I miss dw sorc
I miss the days, were sorc qq actually was valid....oh wait.
Magsorc is considered the strongest magicka pvp class right now for duels and open world.
Battlegrounds get dominated by zoos, open world magsorcs have the best toolkit amongst magclasses to kite and lure out enemies till you can burst down one by one. In duels the spam of clench and weaving in the frags and curses deals extremely high damage with the amplitude passive. I am really not sure, why some people did not realize how strong magicka sorcerers are right now.
Because my Frags crit for 7K on the Nightblade who just killed me with a 16K Assassin's Will?
I don't know what's going on on EU server, but Sorcs feel very underpowered on NA PC.
You dont tell 1 point why magic sorc is op. I can tell lot of reasons why mage sorc is lacking and cannot counter other classes. All you are doing is qq. X says this Y Says that. So magic sorc is op. Please proceed with personal agenda.
A mage class without a debuff , no CC ( I dont consider rune cage a cc not even close ) no snares, no snare removal, all dodgeable/purgeable skills is op in PVP. All hail class representatives. Greatest pros of all time.
What buffs are coming to NBs and DKs in next patch so called stealthly game play?
I heard next patch orcs can fly in the air as many noobs streamers have hard time to kill?
So you need CC, snares, snare removal and undodgeable/unpurgeable skills on sorc to git gud? I believe no class has all those tools available in their class skilltrees. And there are classes that lack things that mSorc has, like resource recovery/healings on demand paired with increased magicka recovery, shields, basicaly the best PvP ulti, reduced ulti cost/Stam and magicka, increased dmg to 2 of the best dmg elements.
But the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence...Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
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✭✭✭Malamar1229 wrote: »Any magsorcs in this thread arguing magsorcs are subpar or not close to other classes are living in a fantasy world. Magsorcs are arguable over performing in certain areas, and since pigeonholed Into matriarch builds and given recent pet buffs, perform very well open world and in duels. Hell you dont even need matriarch in duels. We've had sorcs place first in Legends tournaments without using matriarch.
Also I play 4 mag sorcs, so def no bias here.
But you're better off with the Matriarch. So how do you balance that? Nerf it so sorcs become meh again? Or leave it, but have the sorc struggle when the pet won't cooperate in Cyrodiil? Buff no-pet and risk pet build becoming OP?
See what I'm getting at? The class has flaws in its design that could really use a rework. And with our reps praising sorc here and there, I can already smell a nerf à là Rune Cage 2.0 incoming...
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Pet build becoming OP? They are already.
Non-pet builds also are strong, as Malamar wrote.
Not sure if you just blend stuff out, which does not match your opinion. Malamar clearly wrote that both specs of magsorcs, pet and non-pet are very strong. With pets it just starts to get obnoxious. The class needs some quality of life improvements, not changes to their tools.
Eh. Seen some overpowered stuff in this game. A single twilight really isn't on the same level. But okay, I think it's semantics only. So for argument's sake, let's say that twilight build is top tier. Plus, even. What will your discussion with ZOS be in the future? Will you suggest a nerf, as they're so strong? And what quality of life do you have in mind?
With quality of life stuff i meant some help for streak, not getting stuck at the end of the animation, no bugging anymore with being stuck in casting a ward, maybe some frag travel time increase... streak cost increase is fine and streak needs to be casted wisely, its not meant to be used more than 2 times in a row and the sustain can be covered by recasting wards and casting a dark deal between streaks to not get the cost penalty.
Matriarch does up to 2k damage with a single light attack in a duel. Its dps is actually better than the scamp. Thats 2k afk damage you do not have to work for. There is not a single dot in the game, which comes close to that. The damage is pretty much nuts and is a reason why 2 slots are justified for the matriarch.
Currently some topic, which came up in the discussion with many magsorc players, is the skill daedric prey (the pet curse), which enhances pets damage on the target tremendiously (also from proc pets like shadowrend or maw of infernal). Sorc players suggested changing that one into a dot ability instead delayed burst to help out in pve dps. But the buff to oets damage would need to be reevaluated.
You know what? If you get ZOS to fix the Streak self-root, you're my hero. That would be a very welcomed change. Maybe even terrain interaction, slopes, namely. It always amazes me how my Witch in BDO can teleport and land with both feets on the ground...
Frag (bow) travel time, and don't forget the Frag proc refusing to fire.
Those two changes alone would probably eliminate 50% of my BS deaths in Cyro.
Remember the Twilight is significantly more difficult to aim than a simple DoT skill. In duels, no problem. But big group fights are a pain. Difficult to balance and a big reason why I'm always very skeptical when people promote pet builds for Cyro. It's also a rather bursty DoT, hitting every two seconds. I like Derra's idea of cutting damage in half but doubling the attack speed.
Curse rework depends on the numbers for me. I do like the idea of making petsorc more DoT-like, while non-pet with Haunting Curse would be more bursty. Would differentiate those two specs and open the possibility of separate balancing. It comes down to the numbers.
Another thing: Harness Magicka. THIS is OP, and I remain stern about that. It's also very feasty or famine...-y, just like Cloak. I would like to see it made less overpowered against magicka, but strong against stamina. My suggestion, cut the resouce gain in half, but make it absorb stamina-based attacks, as well. I wouldn't even complain about making that resource gain a bit less than half of the original, tbh.
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✭It seems popular practice for sorcs on the forums to cry about them being weak and having received so many nerfs. In practice the class is more than fine compared to other classes. Like for real, stop complaining for once.
That's not the issue, they're not weak but they're no where close to OP either. Realistically, they're like B+ tier and don't need an overarching nerf or buff. What the class as a whole really DOES need though is a rework. Magsorc abilities tend to be clunky and poorly synergize with each other. On top of that, builds are incredibly shoehorned and limited. A class spammable, better built-in sustain, rework of useless abilities(sorc has multiple), rework of pets(ideally 1 bar, temporary summons that can't be targeted), burst damage ult, etc would work wonders for sorc flexibility.
Yeah, the class is in a good place in terms of how well you can do with it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't need reworks. Other classes have far better synergy between their skills and much more build/playstyle flexibility. Some are worse and others are better than magsorc, but they certainly have more options.
There are also way more hard counters to magsorc than most other classes, a fact that doesn't change regardless of how well sorc is performing in the current meta.0