Macro in Action

Conduit0

VaranisArano wrote: »

Conduit0 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Conduit0 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

Are macros even against the rules?

Yep.

In the TOS: https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/terms-of-service#_EN_Toc_09

9. YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES

You further agree not to access, create, or provide any other means through which the Services, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), may be used or accessed by others, such as through server emulators.

You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.

You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of "bots", "speed hacks", "deep-link", "page-scrape", "robot", "spider", algorithms or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, "mirroring") the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.

No where in there does it mention marcroing. Macroing is a common practice in MMOs so for ZOS to fail to mention it specifically in their TOS is either a show of utter incompetence or its because they're not against it.
Further more if we go by your apparent interpretation of the TOS any use of peripherals or 3rd party software that allows you to create a control scheme that isn't directly supported by the in-game key bind options is also against the TOS, since it might give them an advantage. Guess I should be banned for using a mouse with more than 3 buttons.

Yes...my interpretation.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/327895/banned-for-keyboard-macro

Along with https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3858917#Comment_3858917

ZOS wants us to be actively controlling our characters. So automating combat skills through macros is a problem.

If you want to test your differing interpretation, be my guest. The TOS verbiage could be clearer, as you say, but I think its clear in context.

You have one thread of someone claiming they were banned for using a macro but offers no evidence to verify it and a post from Jessica that once again fails to address macros directly. You're interpreting the TOS to suit your personal bias rather than reading what is actually there.

If you are looking for a dev post or spot in the TOS that specifically uses the word "macro"...

Yeah, I can't find one. If its out there, my Google-fu can't find it.

And since its clear thats the only thing that will satisfy you, we're going to have to agree to disagree.

I still think its pretty clear that macros = automating your character to take action without human input, since you don't input all the actions like a player normally would. And that's pretty obviously against the TOS.

And some people think its pretty clear that the Earth is flat because they can't see the curvature with their own eyes. You can "think" whatever you want, but their is zero evidence of you being correct so far.

VaranisArano

Conduit0 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Conduit0 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Conduit0 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

Are macros even against the rules?

Yep.

In the TOS: https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/terms-of-service#_EN_Toc_09

9. YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES

You further agree not to access, create, or provide any other means through which the Services, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), may be used or accessed by others, such as through server emulators.

You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.

You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of "bots", "speed hacks", "deep-link", "page-scrape", "robot", "spider", algorithms or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, "mirroring") the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.

No where in there does it mention marcroing. Macroing is a common practice in MMOs so for ZOS to fail to mention it specifically in their TOS is either a show of utter incompetence or its because they're not against it.
Further more if we go by your apparent interpretation of the TOS any use of peripherals or 3rd party software that allows you to create a control scheme that isn't directly supported by the in-game key bind options is also against the TOS, since it might give them an advantage. Guess I should be banned for using a mouse with more than 3 buttons.

Yes...my interpretation.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/327895/banned-for-keyboard-macro

Along with https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3858917#Comment_3858917

ZOS wants us to be actively controlling our characters. So automating combat skills through macros is a problem.

If you want to test your differing interpretation, be my guest. The TOS verbiage could be clearer, as you say, but I think its clear in context.

You have one thread of someone claiming they were banned for using a macro but offers no evidence to verify it and a post from Jessica that once again fails to address macros directly. You're interpreting the TOS to suit your personal bias rather than reading what is actually there.

If you are looking for a dev post or spot in the TOS that specifically uses the word "macro"...

Yeah, I can't find one. If its out there, my Google-fu can't find it.

And since its clear thats the only thing that will satisfy you, we're going to have to agree to disagree.

I still think its pretty clear that macros = automating your character to take action without human input, since you don't input all the actions like a player normally would. And that's pretty obviously against the TOS.

And some people think its pretty clear that the Earth is flat because they can't see the curvature with their own eyes. You can "think" whatever you want, but their is zero evidence of you being correct so far.

So, Google-fu was eventually my friend! Gosh, ZOS could really do a better job of making this easier to find.

Here you go.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/235461/can-you-get-banned-for-using-macros/p2

The thread is closed, so I can't quote it properly, but its as follows:

ZOS_AlanG
"Thank you for providing the quote, @Idinuse, using macros is against the terms of service. We certainly don't mind a thread being created to ask about this, but this is starting to delve into more detail than is acceptable on the forums so we are locking this thread."


The quote referred to is the section from the TOS ""You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums)."


So there you go! A ZOS Admin explicitly stating that "macros" are against the TOS and that particular section of the TOS does in fact apply to them.

VaranisArano

Ooh, another one!

Sorry, but I really wish ZOS made it easier to find, so I'm going to just pull the sources into this thread so anyone with a future question about the DEV comments about macros can find them easily. I hate having to search dozens and dozens of threads without decent sources, you know?

I'll bold the relevant portions about macros, but anyone interested in gaming keyboards may want to take a look at the thread itself.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1826830/#Comment_1826830

ZOS_MollyH
"Hello Casdha !

To clarify this a bit, using a third party program - in this case it would be your keyboard's profile software - to perform any game function is a violation of the ESOTU terms of service.

The phrase "change the game play experience" includes having third party software macros that automatically perform emotes. The game play experience in this case would be that it is designed to have you - the player - performing these actions manually, and by using a macro you are changing the game play experience.

Using macros, and using unapproved third party applications, programs, scripts or any other game modifying mechanic is a violation of the Terms of Service, and as such continuing to do so would put you at risk for having your account actioned."


and later in that thread:

ZOS_MollyH
Hi Casdha !

The use of gaming keyboards and mice are not prohibited, but the use of third-party software or other means of creating macros to automate in-game functions is a violation. I apologize for the confusion!

Just to clarify further, part of the Terms of Service document includes an agreement to follow other Supplemental Terms pertaining to Your Service and/or Game, such as a Code of Conduct, provide guidance on behavior that ZeniMax deems to be inappropriate and specify restrictions on Your Account, Your use of the Game, or Your participation in the Services.

There is a paragraph in the Terms of Service agreement that is as follows:

You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, “mirroring”) the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax

Whether it provides an advantage or not, utilizing macros do fall under this category and are prohibited. Please be sure to let us know if you still have any further questions or concerns!"



Edited to add:
More clarification by ZOS_MollyH on this thread.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/200723/request-for-clarification-usage-of-addons-that-perform-multiple-actions-out-of-combat/p1

VaranisArano

And yet another source: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/445730/question-regarding-scripts-and-macros

ZOS_RikardD uses Section 9 of the TOS to refer to outside tools, which in the context of the thread are macros and scripts.



There may be more sources yet to find, but given that its 3 different ZOS employees stating that macros fall under Section 9 of the Terms of Service, I'm confident in saying that macros are indeed against the TOS.

Kadoin

KoultouraS wrote: »

65-70% percent of players play with macro.
The other 30-35% percent of players either think they are noobs and they just lose to "skilled(aka macro) players ,
or do use macro but call it a "skill".

I see people animation canceling in cyrodiil , on the move... going in and out the zerg ball...
they must be having something more than 20 fingers per hand...

For me its killer on the hand and I gotta disappear every 30-40 minutes for 10 minutes with all the cancelling needed to be "competitive" in Cyrodiil lol...

Also, I find macro users the easiest to destroy. I simply move...

russelmmendoza

So, macros exist, and people are defending its existence.
no macros does not exist its just your imagination.
zos clearly says its illegal, they say that because they know it exist.
And still people will tell your a scrub or a *** liar when ever you say you saw one.

Well I feel a little less bitter every time I get destroyed by other players.

Macros, really *** hate them.

thedude33

Sy1ph5 wrote: »

thedude33 wrote: »

It's deja vu all over again. Quite amusing actually.

- People complain that others are using macros, scripts or some kind of CE
- The 'elites' chime in and say it's not possible. That it's a L2p issue. That some players are just that good.
- Eventually, a few players get banned.
- The elites say they have lost all respect for Player A
- Player A makes a post and apologizes. Says he only cheated so he could compete with everyone else that he knows is cheating.
- Rinse repeat

I have seen this story play out over and over since back in EQ and DAoC days.

Assuming people that outplay you are cheating is a surefire way to suck forever.

I've haven't seen anything I couldn't attribute to server latency in years.

Forum skepticism exists not for the reasons you sugges. It exists because players who try to post here about that either lack the experience and knowledge to even understand how the game works on a fundamental level, or are just mad cause bad.

A report system exists if anybody had anything real it would be sent there and not here.

You wrongly assume that I use myself as the litmus test. I've been around long enough to recognize speed hacks, or teleport hacks. I also hear things when people think they are being cute or cryptic talking about this stuff in guild chat or voice chats.

I also remember a couple of years ago when people were questioning how some players would be riding their horse, and jump off before being hit with a snipe. All we heard on the forums was git gud brah. They are just good players. Then we find out about Miats little add-on. Pretty easy to get gud when a pop up tells you incoming attack.

Luckily, after ZoS ended that charade, we know for sure that there are no other add-ons created behind the scene that gives a big advantage to a player that no one else has. Right?

zaria

VaranisArano wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

Are macros even against the rules?

Yep.

In the TOS: https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/terms-of-service#_EN_Toc_09

9. YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES

You further agree not to access, create, or provide any other means through which the Services, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), may be used or accessed by others, such as through server emulators.

You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.

You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of "bots", "speed hacks", "deep-link", "page-scrape", "robot", "spider", algorithms or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, "mirroring") the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.

So mouse and key boardacros are also against the rules then?

Macros would be against the rules, yes. ZOS wants us to be actively controlling our characters. Automation is against the TOS. In the past, they've stated that even rubberbanding/taping your controller is not acceptable. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3858917#Comment_3858917

That really sucks for people with intellectual or physical restrictions who could use them for light attack weaving.

Unfortunately, while macros could be used as an adaptive tool for some gamers, its very prone to abuse by players who do not need adaptive aids. That abuse makes it prohibitive for ZOS to allow players to use macros and other forms of automation.

People. We're why we can't have nice things.

An macro can make an bad player better, it does not help an good player.

Its also useless in PvP who is reactive.
The macro lock you into an parse once you click the button.
The only PvP use I can think of is bomber / ganker openings.

KoultouraS

TheRealSniker wrote: »

KoultouraS wrote: »

65-70% percent of players play with macro.
The other 30-35% percent of players either think they are noobs and they just lose to "skilled(aka macro) players ,
or do use macro but call it a "skill".

I see people animation canceling in cyrodiil , on the move... going in and out the zerg ball...
they must be having something more than 20 fingers per hand...

Glad to be among the 5% who use cheat engine

CE is probably the only thing that may be detected by a -call it as you like- flawed 3rd party detection system implemented by ZOS.
Still there are a lot of cheats going on in the game but most of them get caught.
If ZOS can't even detect them on the first place what makes you believe it will do so regarding macros which are hardly detectable.

I still haven't been replied as for how is it possible for one guy to move in and out a zerg , using wsad, animation canceling, skills triggering an all that using the mouse for direction. One can only have 5 fingers on keyboard for movement /skills.

Unless he has mounted macros on mouse for skills or even sequences of skills this is not possible. This is not pve and the enemies are hardly ever static

Siohwenoeht

KoultouraS wrote: »

TheRealSniker wrote: »

KoultouraS wrote: »

65-70% percent of players play with macro.
The other 30-35% percent of players either think they are noobs and they just lose to "skilled(aka macro) players ,
or do use macro but call it a "skill".

I see people animation canceling in cyrodiil , on the move... going in and out the zerg ball...
they must be having something more than 20 fingers per hand...

Glad to be among the 5% who use cheat engine

CE is probably the only thing that may be detected by a -call it as you like- flawed 3rd party detection system implemented by ZOS.
Still there are a lot of cheats going on in the game but most of them get caught.
If ZOS can't even detect them on the first place what makes you believe it will do so regarding macros which are hardly detectable.

I still haven't been replied as for how is it possible for one guy to move in and out a zerg , using wsad, animation canceling, skills triggering an all that using the mouse for direction. One can only have 5 fingers on keyboard for movement /skills.

Unless he has mounted macros on mouse for skills or even sequences of skills this is not possible. This is not pve and the enemies are hardly ever static

He might not be using wsad... When I game on PC I have a razor keypad for my left hand with the thumbstick programmed for wsad, and my naga mouse for the right. No traditional keyboard at all.

Ectheliontnacil

Here we go again...ppl complaining about animation cancelling.

How is this still a thing, why don't you people realise how easy animation cancelling is. JUST tap block after using a skill, I dare you!

Sharee

Remember people, ESO is the only online game in existence where it is possible to cheat, but noone actually does!

You heard it here first

On topic: Of couse the picture in the first post is a macro. "But it only shows it once!" - come on, its not like we dont see this happen in cyrodiil every efn day. If it only happened once, he wouldn't even have noticed.

"Super skilled players" who you never saw before even tho you practically live in cyrodiil, landing "light attack+skill+bash" within milliseconds like a clockwork while jumping backwards on rocks. Yeah right.

At least stop the damn denial. It is possible to do this. OF COURSE people are doing it.

TARAFRAKA

Sharee wrote: »

Remember people, ESO is the only online game in existence where it is possible to cheat, but noone actually does!

You heard it here first

On topic: Of couse the picture in the first post is a macro. "But it only shows it once!" - come on, its not like we dont see this happen in cyrodiil every efn day. If it only happened once, he wouldn't even have noticed.

"Super skilled players" who you never saw before even tho you practically live in cyrodiil, landing "light attack+skill+bash" within milliseconds like a clockwork while jumping backwards on rocks. Yeah right.

At least stop the damn denial. It is possible to do this. OF COURSE people are doing it.

Of course it's a macro?
Nah dude..that's animation cancelling.
You're bad at understanding the basic mechanics of this game. Same with the OP.

Sharee

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Remember people, ESO is the only online game in existence where it is possible to cheat, but noone actually does!

You heard it here first

On topic: Of couse the picture in the first post is a macro. "But it only shows it once!" - come on, its not like we dont see this happen in cyrodiil every efn day. If it only happened once, he wouldn't even have noticed.

"Super skilled players" who you never saw before even tho you practically live in cyrodiil, landing "light attack+skill+bash" within milliseconds like a clockwork while jumping backwards on rocks. Yeah right.

At least stop the damn denial. It is possible to do this. OF COURSE people are doing it.

Of course it's a macro?
Nah dude..that's animation cancelling.
You're bad at understanding the basic mechanics of this game. Same with the OP.

"Its a macro" and "its animation cancelling" are not mutually exclusive. Its animation cancelling performed by a macro.

TARAFRAKA

Sharee wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Remember people, ESO is the only online game in existence where it is possible to cheat, but noone actually does!

You heard it here first

On topic: Of couse the picture in the first post is a macro. "But it only shows it once!" - come on, its not like we dont see this happen in cyrodiil every efn day. If it only happened once, he wouldn't even have noticed.

"Super skilled players" who you never saw before even tho you practically live in cyrodiil, landing "light attack+skill+bash" within milliseconds like a clockwork while jumping backwards on rocks. Yeah right.

At least stop the damn denial. It is possible to do this. OF COURSE people are doing it.

Of course it's a macro?
Nah dude..that's animation cancelling.
You're bad at understanding the basic mechanics of this game. Same with the OP.

"Its a macro" and "its animation cancelling" are not mutually exclusive. Its animation cancelling performed by a macro.

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Sharee

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Remember people, ESO is the only online game in existence where it is possible to cheat, but noone actually does!

You heard it here first

On topic: Of couse the picture in the first post is a macro. "But it only shows it once!" - come on, its not like we dont see this happen in cyrodiil every efn day. If it only happened once, he wouldn't even have noticed.

"Super skilled players" who you never saw before even tho you practically live in cyrodiil, landing "light attack+skill+bash" within milliseconds like a clockwork while jumping backwards on rocks. Yeah right.

At least stop the damn denial. It is possible to do this. OF COURSE people are doing it.

Of course it's a macro?
Nah dude..that's animation cancelling.
You're bad at understanding the basic mechanics of this game. Same with the OP.

"Its a macro" and "its animation cancelling" are not mutually exclusive. Its animation cancelling performed by a macro.

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Its better to throw out mindless personal attacks than to actually have a point.

KoultouraS

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

KoultouraS wrote: »

TheRealSniker wrote: »

KoultouraS wrote: »

65-70% percent of players play with macro.
The other 30-35% percent of players either think they are noobs and they just lose to "skilled(aka macro) players ,
or do use macro but call it a "skill".

I see people animation canceling in cyrodiil , on the move... going in and out the zerg ball...
they must be having something more than 20 fingers per hand...

Glad to be among the 5% who use cheat engine

CE is probably the only thing that may be detected by a -call it as you like- flawed 3rd party detection system implemented by ZOS.
Still there are a lot of cheats going on in the game but most of them get caught.
If ZOS can't even detect them on the first place what makes you believe it will do so regarding macros which are hardly detectable.

I still haven't been replied as for how is it possible for one guy to move in and out a zerg , using wsad, animation canceling, skills triggering an all that using the mouse for direction. One can only have 5 fingers on keyboard for movement /skills.

Unless he has mounted macros on mouse for skills or even sequences of skills this is not possible. This is not pve and the enemies are hardly ever static

He might not be using wsad... When I game on PC I have a razor keypad for my left hand with the thumbstick programmed for wsad, and my naga mouse for the right. No traditional keyboard at all.

Which again is not allowed , IIRC , because it's an exploit of a 3rd party tool which is forbidden by TOS.
Don't get me wrong , I AM ALL OUT for using macros, If I only knew how to programm my mouse.

But to just fool ourselves it doesnt happen , or even stand people saying it is all about "skill", when it isn't , it's just naive.
FFS it's just pixels and code, people kill non existent avatars of people they will never meet, maybe or mostly using macros in MMOs since almost day one , ever since wow released.
Be a man (not you ofc, just generaly speaking) and admit it.
I for once if I find a way i will use it and here I am admiting it already beforehand

Sheezabeast

I don’t know much about macros, I got a Naga Razor but never use the buttons, as programming it proved more hassle than it was worth. But I digress. Can people macro the harvest node action to automatically do it? If so that would be why ZOS doesn’t allow it. If that’s some other kind of thing like running a script then never mind.

Siohwenoeht

KoultouraS wrote: »

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

KoultouraS wrote: »

TheRealSniker wrote: »

KoultouraS wrote: »

65-70% percent of players play with macro.
The other 30-35% percent of players either think they are noobs and they just lose to "skilled(aka macro) players ,
or do use macro but call it a "skill".

I see people animation canceling in cyrodiil , on the move... going in and out the zerg ball...
they must be having something more than 20 fingers per hand...

Glad to be among the 5% who use cheat engine

CE is probably the only thing that may be detected by a -call it as you like- flawed 3rd party detection system implemented by ZOS.
Still there are a lot of cheats going on in the game but most of them get caught.
If ZOS can't even detect them on the first place what makes you believe it will do so regarding macros which are hardly detectable.

I still haven't been replied as for how is it possible for one guy to move in and out a zerg , using wsad, animation canceling, skills triggering an all that using the mouse for direction. One can only have 5 fingers on keyboard for movement /skills.

Unless he has mounted macros on mouse for skills or even sequences of skills this is not possible. This is not pve and the enemies are hardly ever static

He might not be using wsad... When I game on PC I have a razor keypad for my left hand with the thumbstick programmed for wsad, and my naga mouse for the right. No traditional keyboard at all.

Which again is not allowed , IIRC , because it's an exploit of a 3rd party tool which is forbidden by TOS.

Using the hardware isn't against TOS, using the software that comes with it to create macros is.

TheYKcid

Anyone playing on PC/Mac needs to bind their bash button to a single key. I personally use Q, and shifted my quickslot key to TAB.

For one thing, you'll quickly realise how absolutely effortless it is to weave a bash after an LA + ability.

It's isn't just useful for S&B main builds (which commonly use LA + spammable + bash as their bread-and-butter). Anyone can benefit from being able to throw-in a tactical interrupt seamlessly without slowing down your rotation/combo. Even without S&B, it's a decent way to include some extra damage if you want to secure an execute at all costs.

It's also a less risky way to interrupt than the typical RMB+LMB, becuase you're not raising your block, which might inadvertently charge you some stam.

You also get to break-free much more reliably.

Sure it could be macroed, if someone was so inclined. But if people realised how easy it is to manually perform, they'd understand of why no one really bothers to macro it.

Sharee

TheYKcid wrote: »

Sure it could be macroed, if someone was so inclined. But if people realised how easy it is to manually perform, they'd understand of why no one really bothers to macro it.

It is always easier to push one button than to push three buttons in the correct sequence, especially in the heat of battle. And since it is both possible and easier, people do it.

electromagnets

On my magblade, I get hate whispered and accused of using macros all the time. I always offer to explain my combo clearly to people but they’re never interested in that, only shouting accusations and threatening to report. 😔

Katinas

Skills have a 1 second global skill cooldown.
Light attacks have a 1 second global light attack cooldown.
Bash has a 1 second global bash cooldown.

All of them are separate and unrelated. You cannot cast a skill AND light attack, or cast a skill AND bash, or light attack AND bash in exactly same moment in time, but you can do each individual action on their own cooldowns. Go try it it out yourself on a target dummy. You can execute a combination of light attack + skill + bash in as close to 1 second as your reaction and reflexes allow you to. It could be as quick as 0,001 second in between all three actions, so the combo of light attack + skill + bash could land in 0,002 seconds. Noobs who claim that it is impossible to do two actions with less than one second inbetween them should be looked at with pity. It is the same type of actions that share a one second global cooldown. Skill GCD, light attack GCD and bash GCD are three completely separate cooldowns. You cannot do two bashes in less than 1 second or two skills in less than one second, but as mentioned before a combination of two or three actions that do not share a common cooldown can be done in as fast as you manage to.

KoultouraS

Katinas wrote: »

Skills have a 1 second global skill cooldown.
Light attacks have a 1 second global light attack cooldown.
Bash has a 1 second global bash cooldown.

All of them are separate and unrelated. You cannot cast a skill AND light attack, or cast a skill AND bash, or light attack AND bash in exactly same moment in time, but you can do each individual action on their own cooldowns. Go try it it out yourself on a target dummy. You can execute a combination of light attack + skill + bash in as close to 1 second as your reaction and reflexes allow you to. It could be as quick as 0,001 second in between all three actions, so the combo of light attack + skill + bash could land in 0,002 seconds. Noobs who claim that it is impossible to do two actions with less than one second inbetween them should be looked at with pity. It is the same type of actions that share a one second global cooldown. Skill GCD, light attack GCD and bash GCD are three completely separate cooldowns. You cannot do two bashes in less than 1 second or two skills in less than one second, but as mentioned before a combination of two or three actions that do not share a common cooldown can be done in as fast as you manage to.

And ofc one can do that, while moving with wsad ---with left hand fingers---(which in pvp this is constant) , checking (sometimes doing a 360 cyrcle with mouse) for foes within sight, and direct his/her toon towards or out of fighting situations---with left hand fingers---.

There might be a new breed of men, but afaik , people have only 5 fingers per hand.
And a set of 5 is already occupied holding a mouse...

Royaji

KoultouraS wrote: »

Katinas wrote: »

Skills have a 1 second global skill cooldown.
Light attacks have a 1 second global light attack cooldown.
Bash has a 1 second global bash cooldown.

All of them are separate and unrelated. You cannot cast a skill AND light attack, or cast a skill AND bash, or light attack AND bash in exactly same moment in time, but you can do each individual action on their own cooldowns. Go try it it out yourself on a target dummy. You can execute a combination of light attack + skill + bash in as close to 1 second as your reaction and reflexes allow you to. It could be as quick as 0,001 second in between all three actions, so the combo of light attack + skill + bash could land in 0,002 seconds. Noobs who claim that it is impossible to do two actions with less than one second inbetween them should be looked at with pity. It is the same type of actions that share a one second global cooldown. Skill GCD, light attack GCD and bash GCD are three completely separate cooldowns. You cannot do two bashes in less than 1 second or two skills in less than one second, but as mentioned before a combination of two or three actions that do not share a common cooldown can be done in as fast as you manage to.

And ofc one can do that, while moving with wsad ---with left hand fingers---(which in pvp this is constant) , checking (sometimes doing a 360 cyrcle with mouse) for foes within sight, and direct his/her toon towards or out of fighting situations---with left hand fingers---.

There might be a new breed of men, but afaik , people have only 5 fingers per hand.
And a set of 5 is already occupied holding a mouse...

Did somebody already tell this guy that you can have up to, what was it 12 (think Razer's MMO Naga has the most I've ever seen?) buttons on the side of your mouse? And that you can actually move your fingers around the keyboard too? And even rebind skills to more accessible buttons?

Nah, they are all cheating cause they killed me.

Siohwenoeht

Royaji wrote: »

KoultouraS wrote: »

Katinas wrote: »

Skills have a 1 second global skill cooldown.
Light attacks have a 1 second global light attack cooldown.
Bash has a 1 second global bash cooldown.

All of them are separate and unrelated. You cannot cast a skill AND light attack, or cast a skill AND bash, or light attack AND bash in exactly same moment in time, but you can do each individual action on their own cooldowns. Go try it it out yourself on a target dummy. You can execute a combination of light attack + skill + bash in as close to 1 second as your reaction and reflexes allow you to. It could be as quick as 0,001 second in between all three actions, so the combo of light attack + skill + bash could land in 0,002 seconds. Noobs who claim that it is impossible to do two actions with less than one second inbetween them should be looked at with pity. It is the same type of actions that share a one second global cooldown. Skill GCD, light attack GCD and bash GCD are three completely separate cooldowns. You cannot do two bashes in less than 1 second or two skills in less than one second, but as mentioned before a combination of two or three actions that do not share a common cooldown can be done in as fast as you manage to.

And ofc one can do that, while moving with wsad ---with left hand fingers---(which in pvp this is constant) , checking (sometimes doing a 360 cyrcle with mouse) for foes within sight, and direct his/her toon towards or out of fighting situations---with left hand fingers---.

There might be a new breed of men, but afaik , people have only 5 fingers per hand.
And a set of 5 is already occupied holding a mouse...

Did somebody already tell this guy that you can have up to, what was it 12 (think Razer's MMO Naga has the most I've ever seen?) buttons on the side of your mouse? And that you can actually move your fingers around the keyboard too? And even rebind skills to more accessible buttons?

Nah, they are all cheating cause they killed me.

I told him about razor keypad for your left hand, with the thumbstick set for wsad and naga mouse for the right hand but apparently that doesn't fit with his narrative. I thought that setup was fairly common. *Shrug*

KoultouraS

Can you guys please tell me how does RAZER synapse names the tab where you can assign
a number/key on mouse key/click?

Royaji

KoultouraS wrote: »

Can you guys tell me how does RAZER synapse names the tab where you can assign
a number/key on mouse key/click?

I haven't seen the new synapse but in 2.0 there is a dropdown menu when you are changing a keybing where you can select mouse function for any key. Then you can also change keybinds in the game itself. And since you question is probably related to bash, bash can be assigned to single button so you do not have to press LMB+RMB but only one button.

damtotb16_ESO

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

damtotb16_ESO wrote: »

Syhae wrote: »

Lot of players don't understand global cool down and blame things on macro.

Global cool down is like 1 second (a little over 1 I think? Someone please fact check me if I'm wrong)

In that global CD there are a couple things you can do.

Per global CD you can only use 1 skill. Note I said skill. This doesn't cover light attacking or bashing.
Every global CD you can light attack before using your skill and bash right after it.
Easiest way to do that? Rebind bash to a different button first, I use V.
So when you press a skill, what your fingers should be doing is this : Light Attack(Left Click) Skill(1-5 whatever you bind it to) and bash(V for me if youre bash cancelling your skill).

Anybody can do that without macros. It isn't hard, 3 buttons pressed in sequence.

I get that some people don't really have the time to invest in practicing that, or really care enough to get that down but calling it macros is silly and ignorant, its just a player who knows how to cast skills every GCD and how to light attack weave and bash cancel, it isn't rocket science.

I see 3 Nightblade skills used over 3 seconds in the combat log. With light attacks and bashes mixed in. Please tell me where the macro is?

Since I am frustrated with ZoS not really caring for player report I decided to flame them bit on forum. I was a beta tester and play pvp ever since and I know when something is irregular. I did not provide more recorded evidence because it's primary purpose was to draw the attention of ZoS and they can investigate him as they want, although I doubt they will.

I was there and you did not, if every attack that i don't dodge roll is la+skill+ bash all 3 within 0.15 sec replicated on 5-6 separate occasions, your flowery letter can not convince me that such a precision is possible for human hand because it is not.
I pay u 100k if u replicate this on me in a fight 5-6 time in a row just by pressing keyboard and mouse, I bet u can't do it even on target dummy.
Peace

Real money or gold? Just Wondering?

Real one of course

KoultouraS

Its called key assignment. I found it via Google.
Razer users assign keys on mouse. Keys not being bound on keyboard via a 3rd party software

Does this fall under this TOS guideline?

You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services

Please elaborate if wrong

Also you guys understand that this is one step before actually assigning a macro on mouse button right?