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Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KoultouraS wrote: »Skills have a 1 second global skill cooldown.
Light attacks have a 1 second global light attack cooldown.
Bash has a 1 second global bash cooldown.
All of them are separate and unrelated. You cannot cast a skill AND light attack, or cast a skill AND bash, or light attack AND bash in exactly same moment in time, but you can do each individual action on their own cooldowns. Go try it it out yourself on a target dummy. You can execute a combination of light attack + skill + bash in as close to 1 second as your reaction and reflexes allow you to. It could be as quick as 0,001 second in between all three actions, so the combo of light attack + skill + bash could land in 0,002 seconds. Noobs who claim that it is impossible to do two actions with less than one second inbetween them should be looked at with pity. It is the same type of actions that share a one second global cooldown. Skill GCD, light attack GCD and bash GCD are three completely separate cooldowns. You cannot do two bashes in less than 1 second or two skills in less than one second, but as mentioned before a combination of two or three actions that do not share a common cooldown can be done in as fast as you manage to.
And ofc one can do that, while moving with wsad ---with left hand fingers---(which in pvp this is constant) , checking (sometimes doing a 360 cyrcle with mouse) for foes within sight, and direct his/her toon towards or out of fighting situations---with left hand fingers---.
There might be a new breed of men, but afaik , people have only 5 fingers per hand.
And a set of 5 is already occupied holding a mouse...
Have You watched elite players in games like Fortnite ? If You think that doing constant LA+skill+bash in ESO while moving is beyond human conditions then better call NASA that You've found some alien species and some of them are streaming Fortnite disguised as humans. Like seriously things that people can do in ESO are few times slower then in fortnite where for example someone will build 2-3 walls edit one of them aim and shoot enemy perfectly in the head all of that in 2 seconds while also moving and jumping. And You know those people are doing it also in tournaments where they're monitored so there is no possibility for macros. Fact that You're unable to do something doesnt mean everyone else is also unable to do it or that everyone else needs support of 3rd party software for that.
You can literally youtube gamers caught cheating, and then throw that statement away.
How many of them were caught cheating during tournaments ? The context wasn't about wheter people are cheating or not but wheter certain combos are possible to achieve manually in ESO or not. Those fortnite players prove during tournaments it's possible to perform even more complicated combos perfectly without any help of 3rd party software.
Took 10 seconds to find this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyWnknTSzto 0 -
Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭You're either naive or willingly blind if you think cheating doesn't happen.
Some people doth protest too much, methinks.3 -
Noctus✭✭✭✭✭You're either naive or willingly blind if you think cheating doesn't happen.
Some people doth protest too much, methinks.
mmo can be 100 % cheatfree the question is how much stress are u willing to put on the server. the more server sided tracking the better but if 100 ppl are on the screen at the same time there will be lags on a system like that. BUT its the only way to have a 100 % cheatfree game. (with time it will be easier to implement something like this becouse we get more powerfull hardware every year)
i say screw megaserver and give us more servers which can handle fully tracking player actions.0 -
Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Sabbathius wrote: »Imagine PvE in this game, if all bosses started animation canceling. Would that be fun? Not really. So why would it be fun for players?
Bosses in EU animation cancel. At least that's what it seems like all the time!
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Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KoultouraS wrote: »Skills have a 1 second global skill cooldown.
Light attacks have a 1 second global light attack cooldown.
Bash has a 1 second global bash cooldown.
All of them are separate and unrelated. You cannot cast a skill AND light attack, or cast a skill AND bash, or light attack AND bash in exactly same moment in time, but you can do each individual action on their own cooldowns. Go try it it out yourself on a target dummy. You can execute a combination of light attack + skill + bash in as close to 1 second as your reaction and reflexes allow you to. It could be as quick as 0,001 second in between all three actions, so the combo of light attack + skill + bash could land in 0,002 seconds. Noobs who claim that it is impossible to do two actions with less than one second inbetween them should be looked at with pity. It is the same type of actions that share a one second global cooldown. Skill GCD, light attack GCD and bash GCD are three completely separate cooldowns. You cannot do two bashes in less than 1 second or two skills in less than one second, but as mentioned before a combination of two or three actions that do not share a common cooldown can be done in as fast as you manage to.
And ofc one can do that, while moving with wsad ---with left hand fingers---(which in pvp this is constant) , checking (sometimes doing a 360 cyrcle with mouse) for foes within sight, and direct his/her toon towards or out of fighting situations---with left hand fingers---.
There might be a new breed of men, but afaik , people have only 5 fingers per hand.
And a set of 5 is already occupied holding a mouse...
Have You watched elite players in games like Fortnite ? If You think that doing constant LA+skill+bash in ESO while moving is beyond human conditions then better call NASA that You've found some alien species and some of them are streaming Fortnite disguised as humans. Like seriously things that people can do in ESO are few times slower then in fortnite where for example someone will build 2-3 walls edit one of them aim and shoot enemy perfectly in the head all of that in 2 seconds while also moving and jumping. And You know those people are doing it also in tournaments where they're monitored so there is no possibility for macros. Fact that You're unable to do something doesnt mean everyone else is also unable to do it or that everyone else needs support of 3rd party software for that.
You can literally youtube gamers caught cheating, and then throw that statement away.
How many of them were caught cheating during tournaments ? The context wasn't about wheter people are cheating or not but wheter certain combos are possible to achieve manually in ESO or not. Those fortnite players prove during tournaments it's possible to perform even more complicated combos perfectly without any help of 3rd party software.
Took 10 seconds to find this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyWnknTSzto
You're funny by trying to push Your agenda and completly ignore the context of discussion.6 -
danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KoultouraS wrote: »Skills have a 1 second global skill cooldown.
Light attacks have a 1 second global light attack cooldown.
Bash has a 1 second global bash cooldown.
All of them are separate and unrelated. You cannot cast a skill AND light attack, or cast a skill AND bash, or light attack AND bash in exactly same moment in time, but you can do each individual action on their own cooldowns. Go try it it out yourself on a target dummy. You can execute a combination of light attack + skill + bash in as close to 1 second as your reaction and reflexes allow you to. It could be as quick as 0,001 second in between all three actions, so the combo of light attack + skill + bash could land in 0,002 seconds. Noobs who claim that it is impossible to do two actions with less than one second inbetween them should be looked at with pity. It is the same type of actions that share a one second global cooldown. Skill GCD, light attack GCD and bash GCD are three completely separate cooldowns. You cannot do two bashes in less than 1 second or two skills in less than one second, but as mentioned before a combination of two or three actions that do not share a common cooldown can be done in as fast as you manage to.
And ofc one can do that, while moving with wsad ---with left hand fingers---(which in pvp this is constant) , checking (sometimes doing a 360 cyrcle with mouse) for foes within sight, and direct his/her toon towards or out of fighting situations---with left hand fingers---.
There might be a new breed of men, but afaik , people have only 5 fingers per hand.
And a set of 5 is already occupied holding a mouse...
Have You watched elite players in games like Fortnite ? If You think that doing constant LA+skill+bash in ESO while moving is beyond human conditions then better call NASA that You've found some alien species and some of them are streaming Fortnite disguised as humans. Like seriously things that people can do in ESO are few times slower then in fortnite where for example someone will build 2-3 walls edit one of them aim and shoot enemy perfectly in the head all of that in 2 seconds while also moving and jumping. And You know those people are doing it also in tournaments where they're monitored so there is no possibility for macros. Fact that You're unable to do something doesnt mean everyone else is also unable to do it or that everyone else needs support of 3rd party software for that.
You can literally youtube gamers caught cheating, and then throw that statement away.
How many of them were caught cheating during tournaments ? The context wasn't about wheter people are cheating or not but wheter certain combos are possible to achieve manually in ESO or not. Those fortnite players prove during tournaments it's possible to perform even more complicated combos perfectly without any help of 3rd party software.
Took 10 seconds to find this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyWnknTSzto
You're funny by trying to push Your agenda and completly ignore the context of discussion.
I've given up. The goalposts have moved from "is this a cheat?" to "prove to me that people never cheat". It's ridiculous.2 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KoultouraS wrote: »Skills have a 1 second global skill cooldown.
Light attacks have a 1 second global light attack cooldown.
Bash has a 1 second global bash cooldown.
All of them are separate and unrelated. You cannot cast a skill AND light attack, or cast a skill AND bash, or light attack AND bash in exactly same moment in time, but you can do each individual action on their own cooldowns. Go try it it out yourself on a target dummy. You can execute a combination of light attack + skill + bash in as close to 1 second as your reaction and reflexes allow you to. It could be as quick as 0,001 second in between all three actions, so the combo of light attack + skill + bash could land in 0,002 seconds. Noobs who claim that it is impossible to do two actions with less than one second inbetween them should be looked at with pity. It is the same type of actions that share a one second global cooldown. Skill GCD, light attack GCD and bash GCD are three completely separate cooldowns. You cannot do two bashes in less than 1 second or two skills in less than one second, but as mentioned before a combination of two or three actions that do not share a common cooldown can be done in as fast as you manage to.
And ofc one can do that, while moving with wsad ---with left hand fingers---(which in pvp this is constant) , checking (sometimes doing a 360 cyrcle with mouse) for foes within sight, and direct his/her toon towards or out of fighting situations---with left hand fingers---.
There might be a new breed of men, but afaik , people have only 5 fingers per hand.
And a set of 5 is already occupied holding a mouse...
Have You watched elite players in games like Fortnite ? If You think that doing constant LA+skill+bash in ESO while moving is beyond human conditions then better call NASA that You've found some alien species and some of them are streaming Fortnite disguised as humans. Like seriously things that people can do in ESO are few times slower then in fortnite where for example someone will build 2-3 walls edit one of them aim and shoot enemy perfectly in the head all of that in 2 seconds while also moving and jumping. And You know those people are doing it also in tournaments where they're monitored so there is no possibility for macros. Fact that You're unable to do something doesnt mean everyone else is also unable to do it or that everyone else needs support of 3rd party software for that.
You can literally youtube gamers caught cheating, and then throw that statement away.
How many of them were caught cheating during tournaments ? The context wasn't about wheter people are cheating or not but wheter certain combos are possible to achieve manually in ESO or not. Those fortnite players prove during tournaments it's possible to perform even more complicated combos perfectly without any help of 3rd party software.
Took 10 seconds to find this.
You're funny by trying to push Your agenda and completly ignore the context of discussion.
You're trying to claim a 0.005 reaction time is the norm. It's possible to be mauled by a brown bear and a polar bear on the same day, but when you keep on meeting people claiming they have, you don't believe any of them.
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thedude33✭✭✭✭✭I really find this thread so entertaining since so many people seem to think macros are required to play this game with skill. The lengths they have gone to in here to twist things is truly fascinating. It is though they cannot conceive that there are players that actually work to get good at this game. Thx for the great distraction with all the diversion presented here.
To those of us that know better, that what the OP presented does not prove anything and that we have players who are actually good because they are good at playing the game themselves I do not think there is anything we can say to convince those who are still trying to figure it out or choose not to. It is just to easy for some to suggest the use of macros is the reason some players are better at the game.
It's not a zero-sum game. Absolutely there are some fantastic players out there that have put in the work to get where they are. Doesn't mean there are also bad seeds that break the rules.0 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Just for fun I searched for a reaction time test. This is just pushing one button, go ahead and show us your skilled 0.005 times.
https://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/java/redgreen.html
And here is another. https://www.justpark.com/creative/reaction-time-test/
According to the second one at 264 ms, it says I'm not human.Edited by Ackwalan on February 24, 2019 4:50AM0 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KoultouraS wrote: »Skills have a 1 second global skill cooldown.
Light attacks have a 1 second global light attack cooldown.
Bash has a 1 second global bash cooldown.
All of them are separate and unrelated. You cannot cast a skill AND light attack, or cast a skill AND bash, or light attack AND bash in exactly same moment in time, but you can do each individual action on their own cooldowns. Go try it it out yourself on a target dummy. You can execute a combination of light attack + skill + bash in as close to 1 second as your reaction and reflexes allow you to. It could be as quick as 0,001 second in between all three actions, so the combo of light attack + skill + bash could land in 0,002 seconds. Noobs who claim that it is impossible to do two actions with less than one second inbetween them should be looked at with pity. It is the same type of actions that share a one second global cooldown. Skill GCD, light attack GCD and bash GCD are three completely separate cooldowns. You cannot do two bashes in less than 1 second or two skills in less than one second, but as mentioned before a combination of two or three actions that do not share a common cooldown can be done in as fast as you manage to.
And ofc one can do that, while moving with wsad ---with left hand fingers---(which in pvp this is constant) , checking (sometimes doing a 360 cyrcle with mouse) for foes within sight, and direct his/her toon towards or out of fighting situations---with left hand fingers---.
There might be a new breed of men, but afaik , people have only 5 fingers per hand.
And a set of 5 is already occupied holding a mouse...
Have You watched elite players in games like Fortnite ? If You think that doing constant LA+skill+bash in ESO while moving is beyond human conditions then better call NASA that You've found some alien species and some of them are streaming Fortnite disguised as humans. Like seriously things that people can do in ESO are few times slower then in fortnite where for example someone will build 2-3 walls edit one of them aim and shoot enemy perfectly in the head all of that in 2 seconds while also moving and jumping. And You know those people are doing it also in tournaments where they're monitored so there is no possibility for macros. Fact that You're unable to do something doesnt mean everyone else is also unable to do it or that everyone else needs support of 3rd party software for that.
You can literally youtube gamers caught cheating, and then throw that statement away.
How many of them were caught cheating during tournaments ? The context wasn't about wheter people are cheating or not but wheter certain combos are possible to achieve manually in ESO or not. Those fortnite players prove during tournaments it's possible to perform even more complicated combos perfectly without any help of 3rd party software.
Took 10 seconds to find this.
You're funny by trying to push Your agenda and completly ignore the context of discussion.
You're trying to claim a 0.005 reaction time is the norm. It's possible to be mauled by a brown bear and a polar bear on the same day, but when you keep on meeting people claiming they have, you don't believe any of them.Just for fun I searched for a reaction time test. This is just pushing one button, go ahead and show us your skilled 0.005 times.
https://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/java/redgreen.html
And here is another. https://www.justpark.com/creative/reaction-time-test/
According to the second one at 264 ms, it says I'm not human.
If there would be a championships at missing the point You would definietly be atleast in semi finals.Edited by Juhasow on February 24, 2019 5:22AM2 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KoultouraS wrote: »Skills have a 1 second global skill cooldown.
Light attacks have a 1 second global light attack cooldown.
Bash has a 1 second global bash cooldown.
All of them are separate and unrelated. You cannot cast a skill AND light attack, or cast a skill AND bash, or light attack AND bash in exactly same moment in time, but you can do each individual action on their own cooldowns. Go try it it out yourself on a target dummy. You can execute a combination of light attack + skill + bash in as close to 1 second as your reaction and reflexes allow you to. It could be as quick as 0,001 second in between all three actions, so the combo of light attack + skill + bash could land in 0,002 seconds. Noobs who claim that it is impossible to do two actions with less than one second inbetween them should be looked at with pity. It is the same type of actions that share a one second global cooldown. Skill GCD, light attack GCD and bash GCD are three completely separate cooldowns. You cannot do two bashes in less than 1 second or two skills in less than one second, but as mentioned before a combination of two or three actions that do not share a common cooldown can be done in as fast as you manage to.
And ofc one can do that, while moving with wsad ---with left hand fingers---(which in pvp this is constant) , checking (sometimes doing a 360 cyrcle with mouse) for foes within sight, and direct his/her toon towards or out of fighting situations---with left hand fingers---.
There might be a new breed of men, but afaik , people have only 5 fingers per hand.
And a set of 5 is already occupied holding a mouse...
Have You watched elite players in games like Fortnite ? If You think that doing constant LA+skill+bash in ESO while moving is beyond human conditions then better call NASA that You've found some alien species and some of them are streaming Fortnite disguised as humans. Like seriously things that people can do in ESO are few times slower then in fortnite where for example someone will build 2-3 walls edit one of them aim and shoot enemy perfectly in the head all of that in 2 seconds while also moving and jumping. And You know those people are doing it also in tournaments where they're monitored so there is no possibility for macros. Fact that You're unable to do something doesnt mean everyone else is also unable to do it or that everyone else needs support of 3rd party software for that.
You can literally youtube gamers caught cheating, and then throw that statement away.
How many of them were caught cheating during tournaments ? The context wasn't about wheter people are cheating or not but wheter certain combos are possible to achieve manually in ESO or not. Those fortnite players prove during tournaments it's possible to perform even more complicated combos perfectly without any help of 3rd party software.
Took 10 seconds to find this.
You're funny by trying to push Your agenda and completly ignore the context of discussion.
You're trying to claim a 0.005 reaction time is the norm. It's possible to be mauled by a brown bear and a polar bear on the same day, but when you keep on meeting people claiming they have, you don't believe any of them.Just for fun I searched for a reaction time test. This is just pushing one button, go ahead and show us your skilled 0.005 times.
https://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/java/redgreen.html
And here is another. https://www.justpark.com/creative/reaction-time-test/
According to the second one at 264 ms, it says I'm not human.
If there would be a championships at missing the point You would definietly be atleast in semi finals.
The point is, you're not going to push 3 button with only a 0.150 separation from first to last.0 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KoultouraS wrote: »Skills have a 1 second global skill cooldown.
Light attacks have a 1 second global light attack cooldown.
Bash has a 1 second global bash cooldown.
All of them are separate and unrelated. You cannot cast a skill AND light attack, or cast a skill AND bash, or light attack AND bash in exactly same moment in time, but you can do each individual action on their own cooldowns. Go try it it out yourself on a target dummy. You can execute a combination of light attack + skill + bash in as close to 1 second as your reaction and reflexes allow you to. It could be as quick as 0,001 second in between all three actions, so the combo of light attack + skill + bash could land in 0,002 seconds. Noobs who claim that it is impossible to do two actions with less than one second inbetween them should be looked at with pity. It is the same type of actions that share a one second global cooldown. Skill GCD, light attack GCD and bash GCD are three completely separate cooldowns. You cannot do two bashes in less than 1 second or two skills in less than one second, but as mentioned before a combination of two or three actions that do not share a common cooldown can be done in as fast as you manage to.
And ofc one can do that, while moving with wsad ---with left hand fingers---(which in pvp this is constant) , checking (sometimes doing a 360 cyrcle with mouse) for foes within sight, and direct his/her toon towards or out of fighting situations---with left hand fingers---.
There might be a new breed of men, but afaik , people have only 5 fingers per hand.
And a set of 5 is already occupied holding a mouse...
Have You watched elite players in games like Fortnite ? If You think that doing constant LA+skill+bash in ESO while moving is beyond human conditions then better call NASA that You've found some alien species and some of them are streaming Fortnite disguised as humans. Like seriously things that people can do in ESO are few times slower then in fortnite where for example someone will build 2-3 walls edit one of them aim and shoot enemy perfectly in the head all of that in 2 seconds while also moving and jumping. And You know those people are doing it also in tournaments where they're monitored so there is no possibility for macros. Fact that You're unable to do something doesnt mean everyone else is also unable to do it or that everyone else needs support of 3rd party software for that.
You can literally youtube gamers caught cheating, and then throw that statement away.
How many of them were caught cheating during tournaments ? The context wasn't about wheter people are cheating or not but wheter certain combos are possible to achieve manually in ESO or not. Those fortnite players prove during tournaments it's possible to perform even more complicated combos perfectly without any help of 3rd party software.
Took 10 seconds to find this.
You're funny by trying to push Your agenda and completly ignore the context of discussion.
You're trying to claim a 0.005 reaction time is the norm. It's possible to be mauled by a brown bear and a polar bear on the same day, but when you keep on meeting people claiming they have, you don't believe any of them.Just for fun I searched for a reaction time test. This is just pushing one button, go ahead and show us your skilled 0.005 times.
https://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/java/redgreen.html
And here is another. https://www.justpark.com/creative/reaction-time-test/
According to the second one at 264 ms, it says I'm not human.
If there would be a championships at missing the point You would definietly be atleast in semi finals.
The point is, you're not going to push 3 button with only a 0.150 separation from first to last.
Of course I am going to push those buttons in that time. I am even able to push them in 0,1 second. Having 0,005 second time interval between Your attacks in combo doesnt mean You have 0,005 sec reaction time. It means You have good and fast muscle memory and Your fingers can remember previously learned combination of buttons and click them quick in proper order.Edited by Juhasow on February 24, 2019 5:33AM6 -
Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭KoultouraS wrote: »Skills have a 1 second global skill cooldown.
Light attacks have a 1 second global light attack cooldown.
Bash has a 1 second global bash cooldown.
All of them are separate and unrelated. You cannot cast a skill AND light attack, or cast a skill AND bash, or light attack AND bash in exactly same moment in time, but you can do each individual action on their own cooldowns. Go try it it out yourself on a target dummy. You can execute a combination of light attack + skill + bash in as close to 1 second as your reaction and reflexes allow you to. It could be as quick as 0,001 second in between all three actions, so the combo of light attack + skill + bash could land in 0,002 seconds. Noobs who claim that it is impossible to do two actions with less than one second inbetween them should be looked at with pity. It is the same type of actions that share a one second global cooldown. Skill GCD, light attack GCD and bash GCD are three completely separate cooldowns. You cannot do two bashes in less than 1 second or two skills in less than one second, but as mentioned before a combination of two or three actions that do not share a common cooldown can be done in as fast as you manage to.
And ofc one can do that, while moving with wsad ---with left hand fingers---(which in pvp this is constant) , checking (sometimes doing a 360 cyrcle with mouse) for foes within sight, and direct his/her toon towards or out of fighting situations---with left hand fingers---.
There might be a new breed of men, but afaik , people have only 5 fingers per hand.
And a set of 5 is already occupied holding a mouse...
Have You watched elite players in games like Fortnite ? If You think that doing constant LA+skill+bash in ESO while moving is beyond human conditions then better call NASA that You've found some alien species and some of them are streaming Fortnite disguised as humans. Like seriously things that people can do in ESO are few times slower then in fortnite where for example someone will build 2-3 walls edit one of them aim and shoot enemy perfectly in the head all of that in 2 seconds while also moving and jumping. And You know those people are doing it also in tournaments where they're monitored so there is no possibility for macros. Fact that You're unable to do something doesnt mean everyone else is also unable to do it or that everyone else needs support of 3rd party software for that.
You can literally youtube gamers caught cheating, and then throw that statement away.
How many of them were caught cheating during tournaments ? The context wasn't about wheter people are cheating or not but wheter certain combos are possible to achieve manually in ESO or not. Those fortnite players prove during tournaments it's possible to perform even more complicated combos perfectly without any help of 3rd party software.
Took 10 seconds to find this.
You're funny by trying to push Your agenda and completly ignore the context of discussion.
You're trying to claim a 0.005 reaction time is the norm. It's possible to be mauled by a brown bear and a polar bear on the same day, but when you keep on meeting people claiming they have, you don't believe any of them.Just for fun I searched for a reaction time test. This is just pushing one button, go ahead and show us your skilled 0.005 times.
https://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/java/redgreen.html
And here is another. https://www.justpark.com/creative/reaction-time-test/
According to the second one at 264 ms, it says I'm not human.
If there would be a championships at missing the point You would definietly be atleast in semi finals.
The point is, you're not going to push 3 button with only a 0.150 separation from first to last.
Of course I am going to push those button in that time. I am even able to push them in 0,1 second. Having 0,005 second time interval between You attacks in combo doesnt mean You have 0,005 sec reaction time. It means You have good and fast muscle memory and Your fingers can remember previously learned combination of buttons and click them quick in proper order.
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Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KoultouraS wrote: »Skills have a 1 second global skill cooldown.
Light attacks have a 1 second global light attack cooldown.
Bash has a 1 second global bash cooldown.
All of them are separate and unrelated. You cannot cast a skill AND light attack, or cast a skill AND bash, or light attack AND bash in exactly same moment in time, but you can do each individual action on their own cooldowns. Go try it it out yourself on a target dummy. You can execute a combination of light attack + skill + bash in as close to 1 second as your reaction and reflexes allow you to. It could be as quick as 0,001 second in between all three actions, so the combo of light attack + skill + bash could land in 0,002 seconds. Noobs who claim that it is impossible to do two actions with less than one second inbetween them should be looked at with pity. It is the same type of actions that share a one second global cooldown. Skill GCD, light attack GCD and bash GCD are three completely separate cooldowns. You cannot do two bashes in less than 1 second or two skills in less than one second, but as mentioned before a combination of two or three actions that do not share a common cooldown can be done in as fast as you manage to.
And ofc one can do that, while moving with wsad ---with left hand fingers---(which in pvp this is constant) , checking (sometimes doing a 360 cyrcle with mouse) for foes within sight, and direct his/her toon towards or out of fighting situations---with left hand fingers---.
There might be a new breed of men, but afaik , people have only 5 fingers per hand.
And a set of 5 is already occupied holding a mouse...
Have You watched elite players in games like Fortnite ? If You think that doing constant LA+skill+bash in ESO while moving is beyond human conditions then better call NASA that You've found some alien species and some of them are streaming Fortnite disguised as humans. Like seriously things that people can do in ESO are few times slower then in fortnite where for example someone will build 2-3 walls edit one of them aim and shoot enemy perfectly in the head all of that in 2 seconds while also moving and jumping. And You know those people are doing it also in tournaments where they're monitored so there is no possibility for macros. Fact that You're unable to do something doesnt mean everyone else is also unable to do it or that everyone else needs support of 3rd party software for that.
You can literally youtube gamers caught cheating, and then throw that statement away.
How many of them were caught cheating during tournaments ? The context wasn't about wheter people are cheating or not but wheter certain combos are possible to achieve manually in ESO or not. Those fortnite players prove during tournaments it's possible to perform even more complicated combos perfectly without any help of 3rd party software.
Took 10 seconds to find this.
You're funny by trying to push Your agenda and completly ignore the context of discussion.
You're trying to claim a 0.005 reaction time is the norm. It's possible to be mauled by a brown bear and a polar bear on the same day, but when you keep on meeting people claiming they have, you don't believe any of them.Just for fun I searched for a reaction time test. This is just pushing one button, go ahead and show us your skilled 0.005 times.
https://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/java/redgreen.html
And here is another. https://www.justpark.com/creative/reaction-time-test/
According to the second one at 264 ms, it says I'm not human.
If there would be a championships at missing the point You would definietly be atleast in semi finals.
The point is, you're not going to push 3 button with only a 0.150 separation from first to last.
Of course I am going to push those buttons in that time. I am even able to push them in 0,1 second. Having 0,005 second time interval between You attacks in combo doesnt mean You have 0,005 sec reaction time. It means You have good and fast muscle memory and Your fingers can remember previously learned combination of buttons and click them quick in proper order.
You can't push 3 buttons within 0.1 with any consistency. They won't be in the order you want.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You're either naive or willingly blind if you think cheating doesn't happen.
Some people doth protest too much, methinks.
I do not suggest cheating does not happen. I now it does and have seen it happen where there was no doubt (double mundus exploit without TBS).
Some in this thread have clearly that all good players are using macros and that is not that case. Good competitive guilds do not like cheaters. They do not want to be associated with a cheater, The occurrence above lead to the person being kicked form the guild and they were not welcomed into similar quality guilds because of their obvious cheating.
Do some cheat, obviously and they should face the consequences. Does what the OP presented show proof of cheating, absolutely not.2 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Come on, cheaters are always there, in any game, but their % is low. Why? Because gameplay loses any point if you are cheating. So deal with it, cheaters exists even in such games as Starcraft. ESO? Which is open to 3pp software from all sides? Lol, any person that deny existence of cheats, macros etc, is either trolling or doesn't consider those "UI improvements" as cheats.1 -
pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You're either naive or willingly blind if you think cheating doesn't happen.
Some people doth protest too much, methinks.
It goes both ways. You are either naive or willingly blind if you think that everyone doing a "complicated" combo is a cheater.
Edited by pieratsos on February 24, 2019 6:37AM2 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KoultouraS wrote: »Skills have a 1 second global skill cooldown.
Light attacks have a 1 second global light attack cooldown.
Bash has a 1 second global bash cooldown.
All of them are separate and unrelated. You cannot cast a skill AND light attack, or cast a skill AND bash, or light attack AND bash in exactly same moment in time, but you can do each individual action on their own cooldowns. Go try it it out yourself on a target dummy. You can execute a combination of light attack + skill + bash in as close to 1 second as your reaction and reflexes allow you to. It could be as quick as 0,001 second in between all three actions, so the combo of light attack + skill + bash could land in 0,002 seconds. Noobs who claim that it is impossible to do two actions with less than one second inbetween them should be looked at with pity. It is the same type of actions that share a one second global cooldown. Skill GCD, light attack GCD and bash GCD are three completely separate cooldowns. You cannot do two bashes in less than 1 second or two skills in less than one second, but as mentioned before a combination of two or three actions that do not share a common cooldown can be done in as fast as you manage to.
And ofc one can do that, while moving with wsad ---with left hand fingers---(which in pvp this is constant) , checking (sometimes doing a 360 cyrcle with mouse) for foes within sight, and direct his/her toon towards or out of fighting situations---with left hand fingers---.
There might be a new breed of men, but afaik , people have only 5 fingers per hand.
And a set of 5 is already occupied holding a mouse...
Have You watched elite players in games like Fortnite ? If You think that doing constant LA+skill+bash in ESO while moving is beyond human conditions then better call NASA that You've found some alien species and some of them are streaming Fortnite disguised as humans. Like seriously things that people can do in ESO are few times slower then in fortnite where for example someone will build 2-3 walls edit one of them aim and shoot enemy perfectly in the head all of that in 2 seconds while also moving and jumping. And You know those people are doing it also in tournaments where they're monitored so there is no possibility for macros. Fact that You're unable to do something doesnt mean everyone else is also unable to do it or that everyone else needs support of 3rd party software for that.
You can literally youtube gamers caught cheating, and then throw that statement away.
How many of them were caught cheating during tournaments ? The context wasn't about wheter people are cheating or not but wheter certain combos are possible to achieve manually in ESO or not. Those fortnite players prove during tournaments it's possible to perform even more complicated combos perfectly without any help of 3rd party software.
Took 10 seconds to find this.
You're funny by trying to push Your agenda and completly ignore the context of discussion.
You're trying to claim a 0.005 reaction time is the norm. It's possible to be mauled by a brown bear and a polar bear on the same day, but when you keep on meeting people claiming they have, you don't believe any of them.Just for fun I searched for a reaction time test. This is just pushing one button, go ahead and show us your skilled 0.005 times.
https://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/java/redgreen.html
And here is another. https://www.justpark.com/creative/reaction-time-test/
According to the second one at 264 ms, it says I'm not human.
If there would be a championships at missing the point You would definietly be atleast in semi finals.
The point is, you're not going to push 3 button with only a 0.150 separation from first to last.
Of course I am going to push those buttons in that time. I am even able to push them in 0,1 second. Having 0,005 second time interval between You attacks in combo doesnt mean You have 0,005 sec reaction time. It means You have good and fast muscle memory and Your fingers can remember previously learned combination of buttons and click them quick in proper order.
You can't push 3 buttons within 0.1 with any consistency. They won't be in the order you want.
LA+skill+bash combo in : 0.078 , 0.073 , 0.001 , 0.074 , 0.113 , 0.004 , 0 , 0.001 , 0.071 . Average 0.046 sec for 3 click so it's around 0,02 sec for click. With a little bit of warm up I could possibly drop it down a little but it's late/early and I am slightly sleepy so I just did 1 attempt. Call me a cheater and report me or accept the fact fast clicking is possible without the use of some 3rd party software. If I would use a macro there wouldnt be a difference in time between clicks and You would see all time intervals being identical for every combo repeated. Fast clicking is possible the only thing that lowers it's effectiveness is age because unfortunetelly our bodies with time are getting weaker at clicking fast. I am personally like 5+ years after what could be considered as prime time so it's more then possible that other younger people or people with bigger practive and natural talent for clicking would bring my average values down even more.
Edited by Juhasow on February 24, 2019 6:43AM5 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KoultouraS wrote: »Skills have a 1 second global skill cooldown.
Light attacks have a 1 second global light attack cooldown.
Bash has a 1 second global bash cooldown.
All of them are separate and unrelated. You cannot cast a skill AND light attack, or cast a skill AND bash, or light attack AND bash in exactly same moment in time, but you can do each individual action on their own cooldowns. Go try it it out yourself on a target dummy. You can execute a combination of light attack + skill + bash in as close to 1 second as your reaction and reflexes allow you to. It could be as quick as 0,001 second in between all three actions, so the combo of light attack + skill + bash could land in 0,002 seconds. Noobs who claim that it is impossible to do two actions with less than one second inbetween them should be looked at with pity. It is the same type of actions that share a one second global cooldown. Skill GCD, light attack GCD and bash GCD are three completely separate cooldowns. You cannot do two bashes in less than 1 second or two skills in less than one second, but as mentioned before a combination of two or three actions that do not share a common cooldown can be done in as fast as you manage to.
And ofc one can do that, while moving with wsad ---with left hand fingers---(which in pvp this is constant) , checking (sometimes doing a 360 cyrcle with mouse) for foes within sight, and direct his/her toon towards or out of fighting situations---with left hand fingers---.
There might be a new breed of men, but afaik , people have only 5 fingers per hand.
And a set of 5 is already occupied holding a mouse...
Have You watched elite players in games like Fortnite ? If You think that doing constant LA+skill+bash in ESO while moving is beyond human conditions then better call NASA that You've found some alien species and some of them are streaming Fortnite disguised as humans. Like seriously things that people can do in ESO are few times slower then in fortnite where for example someone will build 2-3 walls edit one of them aim and shoot enemy perfectly in the head all of that in 2 seconds while also moving and jumping. And You know those people are doing it also in tournaments where they're monitored so there is no possibility for macros. Fact that You're unable to do something doesnt mean everyone else is also unable to do it or that everyone else needs support of 3rd party software for that.
You can literally youtube gamers caught cheating, and then throw that statement away.
How many of them were caught cheating during tournaments ? The context wasn't about wheter people are cheating or not but wheter certain combos are possible to achieve manually in ESO or not. Those fortnite players prove during tournaments it's possible to perform even more complicated combos perfectly without any help of 3rd party software.
Took 10 seconds to find this.
You're funny by trying to push Your agenda and completly ignore the context of discussion.
You're trying to claim a 0.005 reaction time is the norm. It's possible to be mauled by a brown bear and a polar bear on the same day, but when you keep on meeting people claiming they have, you don't believe any of them.Just for fun I searched for a reaction time test. This is just pushing one button, go ahead and show us your skilled 0.005 times.
https://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/java/redgreen.html
And here is another. https://www.justpark.com/creative/reaction-time-test/
According to the second one at 264 ms, it says I'm not human.
If there would be a championships at missing the point You would definietly be atleast in semi finals.
The point is, you're not going to push 3 button with only a 0.150 separation from first to last.
Of course I am going to push those buttons in that time. I am even able to push them in 0,1 second. Having 0,005 second time interval between You attacks in combo doesnt mean You have 0,005 sec reaction time. It means You have good and fast muscle memory and Your fingers can remember previously learned combination of buttons and click them quick in proper order.
You can't push 3 buttons within 0.1 with any consistency. They won't be in the order you want.
LA+skill+bash combo in : 0.078 , 0.073 , 0.001 , 0.074 , 0.113 , 0.004 , 0 , 0.001 , 0.071 . Average 0.046 sec for 3 click so it's around 0,02 sec for click. With a little bit of warm up I could possibly drop it down a little but it's late/early and I am slightly sleepy so I just did 1 attempt. Call me a cheater and report me or accept the fact fast clicking is possible without the use of some 3rd party software. If I would use a macro there wouldnt be a difference in time between clicks and You would see all time intervals being identical for every combo repeated. Fast clicking is possible the only thing that lowers it's effectiveness is age because unfortunetelly our bodies with time are getting weaker at clicking fast. I am personally like 5+ years after what could be considered as prime time so it's more then possible that other younger people or people with bigger practive and natural talent for clicking would bring my average values down even more.
I have a picture of bigfoot, doesn't make him real.
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Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KoultouraS wrote: »Skills have a 1 second global skill cooldown.
Light attacks have a 1 second global light attack cooldown.
Bash has a 1 second global bash cooldown.
All of them are separate and unrelated. You cannot cast a skill AND light attack, or cast a skill AND bash, or light attack AND bash in exactly same moment in time, but you can do each individual action on their own cooldowns. Go try it it out yourself on a target dummy. You can execute a combination of light attack + skill + bash in as close to 1 second as your reaction and reflexes allow you to. It could be as quick as 0,001 second in between all three actions, so the combo of light attack + skill + bash could land in 0,002 seconds. Noobs who claim that it is impossible to do two actions with less than one second inbetween them should be looked at with pity. It is the same type of actions that share a one second global cooldown. Skill GCD, light attack GCD and bash GCD are three completely separate cooldowns. You cannot do two bashes in less than 1 second or two skills in less than one second, but as mentioned before a combination of two or three actions that do not share a common cooldown can be done in as fast as you manage to.
And ofc one can do that, while moving with wsad ---with left hand fingers---(which in pvp this is constant) , checking (sometimes doing a 360 cyrcle with mouse) for foes within sight, and direct his/her toon towards or out of fighting situations---with left hand fingers---.
There might be a new breed of men, but afaik , people have only 5 fingers per hand.
And a set of 5 is already occupied holding a mouse...
Have You watched elite players in games like Fortnite ? If You think that doing constant LA+skill+bash in ESO while moving is beyond human conditions then better call NASA that You've found some alien species and some of them are streaming Fortnite disguised as humans. Like seriously things that people can do in ESO are few times slower then in fortnite where for example someone will build 2-3 walls edit one of them aim and shoot enemy perfectly in the head all of that in 2 seconds while also moving and jumping. And You know those people are doing it also in tournaments where they're monitored so there is no possibility for macros. Fact that You're unable to do something doesnt mean everyone else is also unable to do it or that everyone else needs support of 3rd party software for that.
You can literally youtube gamers caught cheating, and then throw that statement away.
How many of them were caught cheating during tournaments ? The context wasn't about wheter people are cheating or not but wheter certain combos are possible to achieve manually in ESO or not. Those fortnite players prove during tournaments it's possible to perform even more complicated combos perfectly without any help of 3rd party software.
Took 10 seconds to find this.
You're funny by trying to push Your agenda and completly ignore the context of discussion.
You're trying to claim a 0.005 reaction time is the norm. It's possible to be mauled by a brown bear and a polar bear on the same day, but when you keep on meeting people claiming they have, you don't believe any of them.Just for fun I searched for a reaction time test. This is just pushing one button, go ahead and show us your skilled 0.005 times.
https://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/java/redgreen.html
And here is another. https://www.justpark.com/creative/reaction-time-test/
According to the second one at 264 ms, it says I'm not human.
If there would be a championships at missing the point You would definietly be atleast in semi finals.
The point is, you're not going to push 3 button with only a 0.150 separation from first to last.
Of course I am going to push those buttons in that time. I am even able to push them in 0,1 second. Having 0,005 second time interval between You attacks in combo doesnt mean You have 0,005 sec reaction time. It means You have good and fast muscle memory and Your fingers can remember previously learned combination of buttons and click them quick in proper order.
You can't push 3 buttons within 0.1 with any consistency. They won't be in the order you want.
LA+skill+bash combo in : 0.078 , 0.073 , 0.001 , 0.074 , 0.113 , 0.004 , 0 , 0.001 , 0.071 . Average 0.046 sec for 3 click so it's around 0,02 sec for click. With a little bit of warm up I could possibly drop it down a little but it's late/early and I am slightly sleepy so I just did 1 attempt. Call me a cheater and report me or accept the fact fast clicking is possible without the use of some 3rd party software. If I would use a macro there wouldnt be a difference in time between clicks and You would see all time intervals being identical for every combo repeated. Fast clicking is possible the only thing that lowers it's effectiveness is age because unfortunetelly our bodies with time are getting weaker at clicking fast. I am personally like 5+ years after what could be considered as prime time so it's more then possible that other younger people or people with bigger practive and natural talent for clicking would bring my average values down even more.
I have a picture of bigfoot, doesn't make him real.
Well at this point You are just choosing to live in denial.
What is funny is that You did not undermine credibility of the picture OP posted and made the same way I did just by print screening combat log but now You're for some reason underimining my picture. I wonder what that reason can be hmm...
Edited by Juhasow on February 24, 2019 6:56AM7 -
Casdha✭✭✭✭✭
✭They closed it to keep it from being necroed, but here is an old thread I started about this back in the day.
The thing to notice here is I posted a macro file along with the post and it is still available. Of course it was only for emotes and functions like changing guild chat channels and other slash commands like /reloadui
Old Thread Link (Closed)
Edit, Side note: If you use a macro for the chat box the emote will play or the command will work but it never appears in the chat box. Why this note you ask, because that means sometimes there are 10 or more keystrokes that register instantly, so fast it does not even bother to display them.Edited by Casdha on February 24, 2019 7:18AMProud member of the Psijic Order - The first wave - The 0.016%0 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KoultouraS wrote: »Skills have a 1 second global skill cooldown.
Light attacks have a 1 second global light attack cooldown.
Bash has a 1 second global bash cooldown.
All of them are separate and unrelated. You cannot cast a skill AND light attack, or cast a skill AND bash, or light attack AND bash in exactly same moment in time, but you can do each individual action on their own cooldowns. Go try it it out yourself on a target dummy. You can execute a combination of light attack + skill + bash in as close to 1 second as your reaction and reflexes allow you to. It could be as quick as 0,001 second in between all three actions, so the combo of light attack + skill + bash could land in 0,002 seconds. Noobs who claim that it is impossible to do two actions with less than one second inbetween them should be looked at with pity. It is the same type of actions that share a one second global cooldown. Skill GCD, light attack GCD and bash GCD are three completely separate cooldowns. You cannot do two bashes in less than 1 second or two skills in less than one second, but as mentioned before a combination of two or three actions that do not share a common cooldown can be done in as fast as you manage to.
And ofc one can do that, while moving with wsad ---with left hand fingers---(which in pvp this is constant) , checking (sometimes doing a 360 cyrcle with mouse) for foes within sight, and direct his/her toon towards or out of fighting situations---with left hand fingers---.
There might be a new breed of men, but afaik , people have only 5 fingers per hand.
And a set of 5 is already occupied holding a mouse...
Have You watched elite players in games like Fortnite ? If You think that doing constant LA+skill+bash in ESO while moving is beyond human conditions then better call NASA that You've found some alien species and some of them are streaming Fortnite disguised as humans. Like seriously things that people can do in ESO are few times slower then in fortnite where for example someone will build 2-3 walls edit one of them aim and shoot enemy perfectly in the head all of that in 2 seconds while also moving and jumping. And You know those people are doing it also in tournaments where they're monitored so there is no possibility for macros. Fact that You're unable to do something doesnt mean everyone else is also unable to do it or that everyone else needs support of 3rd party software for that.
You can literally youtube gamers caught cheating, and then throw that statement away.
How many of them were caught cheating during tournaments ? The context wasn't about wheter people are cheating or not but wheter certain combos are possible to achieve manually in ESO or not. Those fortnite players prove during tournaments it's possible to perform even more complicated combos perfectly without any help of 3rd party software.
Took 10 seconds to find this.
You're funny by trying to push Your agenda and completly ignore the context of discussion.
You're trying to claim a 0.005 reaction time is the norm. It's possible to be mauled by a brown bear and a polar bear on the same day, but when you keep on meeting people claiming they have, you don't believe any of them.Just for fun I searched for a reaction time test. This is just pushing one button, go ahead and show us your skilled 0.005 times.
https://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/java/redgreen.html
And here is another. https://www.justpark.com/creative/reaction-time-test/
According to the second one at 264 ms, it says I'm not human.
If there would be a championships at missing the point You would definietly be atleast in semi finals.
The point is, you're not going to push 3 button with only a 0.150 separation from first to last.
Of course I am going to push those buttons in that time. I am even able to push them in 0,1 second. Having 0,005 second time interval between You attacks in combo doesnt mean You have 0,005 sec reaction time. It means You have good and fast muscle memory and Your fingers can remember previously learned combination of buttons and click them quick in proper order.
You can't push 3 buttons within 0.1 with any consistency. They won't be in the order you want.
LA+skill+bash combo in : 0.078 , 0.073 , 0.001 , 0.074 , 0.113 , 0.004 , 0 , 0.001 , 0.071 . Average 0.046 sec for 3 click so it's around 0,02 sec for click. With a little bit of warm up I could possibly drop it down a little but it's late/early and I am slightly sleepy so I just did 1 attempt. Call me a cheater and report me or accept the fact fast clicking is possible without the use of some 3rd party software. If I would use a macro there wouldnt be a difference in time between clicks and You would see all time intervals being identical for every combo repeated. Fast clicking is possible the only thing that lowers it's effectiveness is age because unfortunetelly our bodies with time are getting weaker at clicking fast. I am personally like 5+ years after what could be considered as prime time so it's more then possible that other younger people or people with bigger practive and natural talent for clicking would bring my average values down even more.
I have a picture of bigfoot, doesn't make him real.
Well at this point You are just choosing to live in denial.
What is funny is that You did not undermine credibility of the picture OP posted and made the same way I did just by print screening combat log but now You're for some reason underimining my picture. I wonder what that reason can be hmm...
It's the time stamp on them. A person isn't going to consistently get the results they want in 0.15.
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TARAFRAKA✭✭✭✭✭KoultouraS wrote: »Skills have a 1 second global skill cooldown.
Light attacks have a 1 second global light attack cooldown.
Bash has a 1 second global bash cooldown.
All of them are separate and unrelated. You cannot cast a skill AND light attack, or cast a skill AND bash, or light attack AND bash in exactly same moment in time, but you can do each individual action on their own cooldowns. Go try it it out yourself on a target dummy. You can execute a combination of light attack + skill + bash in as close to 1 second as your reaction and reflexes allow you to. It could be as quick as 0,001 second in between all three actions, so the combo of light attack + skill + bash could land in 0,002 seconds. Noobs who claim that it is impossible to do two actions with less than one second inbetween them should be looked at with pity. It is the same type of actions that share a one second global cooldown. Skill GCD, light attack GCD and bash GCD are three completely separate cooldowns. You cannot do two bashes in less than 1 second or two skills in less than one second, but as mentioned before a combination of two or three actions that do not share a common cooldown can be done in as fast as you manage to.
And ofc one can do that, while moving with wsad ---with left hand fingers---(which in pvp this is constant) , checking (sometimes doing a 360 cyrcle with mouse) for foes within sight, and direct his/her toon towards or out of fighting situations---with left hand fingers---.
There might be a new breed of men, but afaik , people have only 5 fingers per hand.
And a set of 5 is already occupied holding a mouse...
Have You watched elite players in games like Fortnite ? If You think that doing constant LA+skill+bash in ESO while moving is beyond human conditions then better call NASA that You've found some alien species and some of them are streaming Fortnite disguised as humans. Like seriously things that people can do in ESO are few times slower then in fortnite where for example someone will build 2-3 walls edit one of them aim and shoot enemy perfectly in the head all of that in 2 seconds while also moving and jumping. And You know those people are doing it also in tournaments where they're monitored so there is no possibility for macros. Fact that You're unable to do something doesnt mean everyone else is also unable to do it or that everyone else needs support of 3rd party software for that.
You can literally youtube gamers caught cheating, and then throw that statement away.
How many of them were caught cheating during tournaments ? The context wasn't about wheter people are cheating or not but wheter certain combos are possible to achieve manually in ESO or not. Those fortnite players prove during tournaments it's possible to perform even more complicated combos perfectly without any help of 3rd party software.
Took 10 seconds to find this.
You're funny by trying to push Your agenda and completly ignore the context of discussion.
You're trying to claim a 0.005 reaction time is the norm. It's possible to be mauled by a brown bear and a polar bear on the same day, but when you keep on meeting people claiming they have, you don't believe any of them.Just for fun I searched for a reaction time test. This is just pushing one button, go ahead and show us your skilled 0.005 times.
https://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/java/redgreen.html
And here is another. https://www.justpark.com/creative/reaction-time-test/
According to the second one at 264 ms, it says I'm not human.
If there would be a championships at missing the point You would definietly be atleast in semi finals.
The point is, you're not going to push 3 button with only a 0.150 separation from first to last.
Of course I am going to push those buttons in that time. I am even able to push them in 0,1 second. Having 0,005 second time interval between You attacks in combo doesnt mean You have 0,005 sec reaction time. It means You have good and fast muscle memory and Your fingers can remember previously learned combination of buttons and click them quick in proper order.
You can't push 3 buttons within 0.1 with any consistency. They won't be in the order you want.
LA+skill+bash combo in : 0.078 , 0.073 , 0.001 , 0.074 , 0.113 , 0.004 , 0 , 0.001 , 0.071 . Average 0.046 sec for 3 click so it's around 0,02 sec for click. With a little bit of warm up I could possibly drop it down a little but it's late/early and I am slightly sleepy so I just did 1 attempt. Call me a cheater and report me or accept the fact fast clicking is possible without the use of some 3rd party software. If I would use a macro there wouldnt be a difference in time between clicks and You would see all time intervals being identical for every combo repeated. Fast clicking is possible the only thing that lowers it's effectiveness is age because unfortunetelly our bodies with time are getting weaker at clicking fast. I am personally like 5+ years after what could be considered as prime time so it's more then possible that other younger people or people with bigger practive and natural talent for clicking would bring my average values down even more.
I have a picture of bigfoot, doesn't make him real.
Well at this point You are just choosing to live in denial.
What is funny is that You did not undermine credibility of the picture OP posted and made the same way I did just by print screening combat log but now You're for some reason underimining my picture. I wonder what that reason can be hmm...
He is willfully blind in order to make himself feel better by crying cheater instead of acknowledging some people are very good with animation cancelling and have quick reaction times.
It's the equivalent of insisting no one can bench press 250 lbs because they can't do any higher than 100lbs. At this point, nothing can be said to convince people who do not want to see these skills any other way.
Goodness, they're not even acknowledging the possibility that a 3rd party software may not be the most accurate in reporting times in the combat log.
Or the fact that some have far better ping and their times between skills will register far quicker than the players with high ping, assuming of course the times in combat log are completely and utterly perfect which isn't possible.Edited by TARAFRAKA on February 24, 2019 7:12AM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭KoultouraS wrote: »Skills have a 1 second global skill cooldown.
Light attacks have a 1 second global light attack cooldown.
Bash has a 1 second global bash cooldown.
All of them are separate and unrelated. You cannot cast a skill AND light attack, or cast a skill AND bash, or light attack AND bash in exactly same moment in time, but you can do each individual action on their own cooldowns. Go try it it out yourself on a target dummy. You can execute a combination of light attack + skill + bash in as close to 1 second as your reaction and reflexes allow you to. It could be as quick as 0,001 second in between all three actions, so the combo of light attack + skill + bash could land in 0,002 seconds. Noobs who claim that it is impossible to do two actions with less than one second inbetween them should be looked at with pity. It is the same type of actions that share a one second global cooldown. Skill GCD, light attack GCD and bash GCD are three completely separate cooldowns. You cannot do two bashes in less than 1 second or two skills in less than one second, but as mentioned before a combination of two or three actions that do not share a common cooldown can be done in as fast as you manage to.
And ofc one can do that, while moving with wsad ---with left hand fingers---(which in pvp this is constant) , checking (sometimes doing a 360 cyrcle with mouse) for foes within sight, and direct his/her toon towards or out of fighting situations---with left hand fingers---.
There might be a new breed of men, but afaik , people have only 5 fingers per hand.
And a set of 5 is already occupied holding a mouse...
Have You watched elite players in games like Fortnite ? If You think that doing constant LA+skill+bash in ESO while moving is beyond human conditions then better call NASA that You've found some alien species and some of them are streaming Fortnite disguised as humans. Like seriously things that people can do in ESO are few times slower then in fortnite where for example someone will build 2-3 walls edit one of them aim and shoot enemy perfectly in the head all of that in 2 seconds while also moving and jumping. And You know those people are doing it also in tournaments where they're monitored so there is no possibility for macros. Fact that You're unable to do something doesnt mean everyone else is also unable to do it or that everyone else needs support of 3rd party software for that.
You can literally youtube gamers caught cheating, and then throw that statement away.
How many of them were caught cheating during tournaments ? The context wasn't about wheter people are cheating or not but wheter certain combos are possible to achieve manually in ESO or not. Those fortnite players prove during tournaments it's possible to perform even more complicated combos perfectly without any help of 3rd party software.
Took 10 seconds to find this.
You're funny by trying to push Your agenda and completly ignore the context of discussion.
You're trying to claim a 0.005 reaction time is the norm. It's possible to be mauled by a brown bear and a polar bear on the same day, but when you keep on meeting people claiming they have, you don't believe any of them.Just for fun I searched for a reaction time test. This is just pushing one button, go ahead and show us your skilled 0.005 times.
https://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/java/redgreen.html
And here is another. https://www.justpark.com/creative/reaction-time-test/
According to the second one at 264 ms, it says I'm not human.
If there would be a championships at missing the point You would definietly be atleast in semi finals.
The point is, you're not going to push 3 button with only a 0.150 separation from first to last.
Of course I am going to push those buttons in that time. I am even able to push them in 0,1 second. Having 0,005 second time interval between You attacks in combo doesnt mean You have 0,005 sec reaction time. It means You have good and fast muscle memory and Your fingers can remember previously learned combination of buttons and click them quick in proper order.
You can't push 3 buttons within 0.1 with any consistency. They won't be in the order you want.
LA+skill+bash combo in : 0.078 , 0.073 , 0.001 , 0.074 , 0.113 , 0.004 , 0 , 0.001 , 0.071 . Average 0.046 sec for 3 click so it's around 0,02 sec for click. With a little bit of warm up I could possibly drop it down a little but it's late/early and I am slightly sleepy so I just did 1 attempt. Call me a cheater and report me or accept the fact fast clicking is possible without the use of some 3rd party software. If I would use a macro there wouldnt be a difference in time between clicks and You would see all time intervals being identical for every combo repeated. Fast clicking is possible the only thing that lowers it's effectiveness is age because unfortunetelly our bodies with time are getting weaker at clicking fast. I am personally like 5+ years after what could be considered as prime time so it's more then possible that other younger people or people with bigger practive and natural talent for clicking would bring my average values down even more.
I have a picture of bigfoot, doesn't make him real.
Well at this point You are just choosing to live in denial.
What is funny is that You did not undermine credibility of the picture OP posted and made the same way I did just by print screening combat log but now You're for some reason underimining my picture. I wonder what that reason can be hmm...
He is willfully blind in order to make himself feel better by crying cheater instead of acknowledging some people are very good with animation cancelling and have quick reaction times.
It's the equivalent of insisting no one can bench press 250 lbs because they can't do any higher than 100lbs. At this point, nothing can be said to convince people who do not want to see these skills any other way.
Or, you say you can bench 250lb and as proof you show a picture of a 250lb weight.
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KoultouraS✭✭✭✭✭You're either naive or willingly blind if you think cheating doesn't happen.
Some people doth protest too much, methinks.
I do not suggest cheating does not happen. I now it does and have seen it happen where there was no doubt (double mundus exploit without TBS).
Some in this thread have clearly that all good players are using macros and that is not that case. Good competitive guilds do not like cheaters. They do not want to be associated with a cheater, The occurrence above lead to the person being kicked form the guild and they were not welcomed into similar quality guilds because of their obvious cheating.
Do some cheat, obviously and they should face the consequences. Does what the OP presented show proof of cheating, absolutely not.
If "some" is me then read again my 1st post. We dont claim pros use macro , although it is a possibility, we claim that macros are very common in PvP.
(I portrayed it via a humourous percentage)
As for good guilds not accepting macro users, that's a flat out lie.
People I know and have joined the most notorious red and blue small/large scale group in vivec, macro themselves. At least for simple actions , such as buffing/shielding and healing.
So once again you are in denial...Edited by KoultouraS on February 24, 2019 9:57AM1 -
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✭KoultouraS wrote: »Skills have a 1 second global skill cooldown.
Light attacks have a 1 second global light attack cooldown.
Bash has a 1 second global bash cooldown.
All of them are separate and unrelated. You cannot cast a skill AND light attack, or cast a skill AND bash, or light attack AND bash in exactly same moment in time, but you can do each individual action on their own cooldowns. Go try it it out yourself on a target dummy. You can execute a combination of light attack + skill + bash in as close to 1 second as your reaction and reflexes allow you to. It could be as quick as 0,001 second in between all three actions, so the combo of light attack + skill + bash could land in 0,002 seconds. Noobs who claim that it is impossible to do two actions with less than one second inbetween them should be looked at with pity. It is the same type of actions that share a one second global cooldown. Skill GCD, light attack GCD and bash GCD are three completely separate cooldowns. You cannot do two bashes in less than 1 second or two skills in less than one second, but as mentioned before a combination of two or three actions that do not share a common cooldown can be done in as fast as you manage to.
And ofc one can do that, while moving with wsad ---with left hand fingers---(which in pvp this is constant) , checking (sometimes doing a 360 cyrcle with mouse) for foes within sight, and direct his/her toon towards or out of fighting situations---with left hand fingers---.
There might be a new breed of men, but afaik , people have only 5 fingers per hand.
And a set of 5 is already occupied holding a mouse...
Have You watched elite players in games like Fortnite ? If You think that doing constant LA+skill+bash in ESO while moving is beyond human conditions then better call NASA that You've found some alien species and some of them are streaming Fortnite disguised as humans. Like seriously things that people can do in ESO are few times slower then in fortnite where for example someone will build 2-3 walls edit one of them aim and shoot enemy perfectly in the head all of that in 2 seconds while also moving and jumping. And You know those people are doing it also in tournaments where they're monitored so there is no possibility for macros. Fact that You're unable to do something doesnt mean everyone else is also unable to do it or that everyone else needs support of 3rd party software for that.
You can literally youtube gamers caught cheating, and then throw that statement away.
How many of them were caught cheating during tournaments ? The context wasn't about wheter people are cheating or not but wheter certain combos are possible to achieve manually in ESO or not. Those fortnite players prove during tournaments it's possible to perform even more complicated combos perfectly without any help of 3rd party software.
Took 10 seconds to find this.
You're funny by trying to push Your agenda and completly ignore the context of discussion.
You're trying to claim a 0.005 reaction time is the norm. It's possible to be mauled by a brown bear and a polar bear on the same day, but when you keep on meeting people claiming they have, you don't believe any of them.Just for fun I searched for a reaction time test. This is just pushing one button, go ahead and show us your skilled 0.005 times.
https://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/java/redgreen.html
And here is another. https://www.justpark.com/creative/reaction-time-test/
According to the second one at 264 ms, it says I'm not human.
If there would be a championships at missing the point You would definietly be atleast in semi finals.
The point is, you're not going to push 3 button with only a 0.150 separation from first to last.
Of course I am going to push those buttons in that time. I am even able to push them in 0,1 second. Having 0,005 second time interval between You attacks in combo doesnt mean You have 0,005 sec reaction time. It means You have good and fast muscle memory and Your fingers can remember previously learned combination of buttons and click them quick in proper order.
You can't push 3 buttons within 0.1 with any consistency. They won't be in the order you want.
Yes you can. It's called muscle memory. As I've said before look at so many other games and you see insane things gamers can do when they are committed. As for macroing players, I agree that they most likely exist. Whats funny though is a macroing player WILL NEVER be able to do as many things as a legit good player can do with animation cancelling. Why? There are too many combinations to fit and realistically use, it would legitimately be far far more complicated than manually doing the animation cancelling yourself. That's why you see so many people dismiss macroing as a non-issue, if people use it they are only holding themselves back and putting themselves at a disadvantage which is perfectly fine by me.Overload rework. Power Overload now does physical damage and grants you the power of a tornado: You throw a brick at the target with a light attack, and you hammer your head into that brick with every heavy attack. We have decreased its Ultimate cost, but increased the chance that you get stuck in the animation.2 -
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By thT Logic it’s impossible to push buttons at the same time lolKoultouraS wrote: »Skills have a 1 second global skill cooldown.
Light attacks have a 1 second global light attack cooldown.
Bash has a 1 second global bash cooldown.
All of them are separate and unrelated. You cannot cast a skill AND light attack, or cast a skill AND bash, or light attack AND bash in exactly same moment in time, but you can do each individual action on their own cooldowns. Go try it it out yourself on a target dummy. You can execute a combination of light attack + skill + bash in as close to 1 second as your reaction and reflexes allow you to. It could be as quick as 0,001 second in between all three actions, so the combo of light attack + skill + bash could land in 0,002 seconds. Noobs who claim that it is impossible to do two actions with less than one second inbetween them should be looked at with pity. It is the same type of actions that share a one second global cooldown. Skill GCD, light attack GCD and bash GCD are three completely separate cooldowns. You cannot do two bashes in less than 1 second or two skills in less than one second, but as mentioned before a combination of two or three actions that do not share a common cooldown can be done in as fast as you manage to.
And ofc one can do that, while moving with wsad ---with left hand fingers---(which in pvp this is constant) , checking (sometimes doing a 360 cyrcle with mouse) for foes within sight, and direct his/her toon towards or out of fighting situations---with left hand fingers---.
There might be a new breed of men, but afaik , people have only 5 fingers per hand.
And a set of 5 is already occupied holding a mouse...
Have You watched elite players in games like Fortnite ? If You think that doing constant LA+skill+bash in ESO while moving is beyond human conditions then better call NASA that You've found some alien species and some of them are streaming Fortnite disguised as humans. Like seriously things that people can do in ESO are few times slower then in fortnite where for example someone will build 2-3 walls edit one of them aim and shoot enemy perfectly in the head all of that in 2 seconds while also moving and jumping. And You know those people are doing it also in tournaments where they're monitored so there is no possibility for macros. Fact that You're unable to do something doesnt mean everyone else is also unable to do it or that everyone else needs support of 3rd party software for that.
You can literally youtube gamers caught cheating, and then throw that statement away.
How many of them were caught cheating during tournaments ? The context wasn't about wheter people are cheating or not but wheter certain combos are possible to achieve manually in ESO or not. Those fortnite players prove during tournaments it's possible to perform even more complicated combos perfectly without any help of 3rd party software.
Took 10 seconds to find this.
You're funny by trying to push Your agenda and completly ignore the context of discussion.
You're trying to claim a 0.005 reaction time is the norm. It's possible to be mauled by a brown bear and a polar bear on the same day, but when you keep on meeting people claiming they have, you don't believe any of them.Just for fun I searched for a reaction time test. This is just pushing one button, go ahead and show us your skilled 0.005 times.
https://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/java/redgreen.html
And here is another. https://www.justpark.com/creative/reaction-time-test/
According to the second one at 264 ms, it says I'm not human.
If there would be a championships at missing the point You would definietly be atleast in semi finals.
The point is, you're not going to push 3 button with only a 0.150 separation from first to last.
Of course I am going to push those buttons in that time. I am even able to push them in 0,1 second. Having 0,005 second time interval between You attacks in combo doesnt mean You have 0,005 sec reaction time. It means You have good and fast muscle memory and Your fingers can remember previously learned combination of buttons and click them quick in proper order.
You can't push 3 buttons within 0.1 with any consistency. They won't be in the order you want.
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