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Macro in Action
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ErMurazor✭✭✭✭✭Ofc macroing exists but its not effective in Any way compared to proper animation canceling and button smashing. As mentioned there is a GCD in place. Scripts are a totally different thing and ESO has software looking out for thoose using it. Ofc there exists players using scripts but they are very few and they can only use it for Short periods of time to not get caught. So its actually a non issue.1 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ofc macroing exists but its not effective in Any way compared to proper animation canceling and button smashing. As mentioned there is a GCD in place.
The kind of macroing this thread is about is exactly as effective as 'proper' animation cancelling because it has absolutely nothing to do with GCD.
If you fire a light attack, you do not have to wait for GCD before firing a skill, and after that you do not have to wait for GCD before firing a bash. All three can be used right after each other, for all practical purposes appearing as a single attack which does three hits.Edited by Sharee on February 24, 2019 11:11AM4 -
KoultouraS✭✭✭✭✭As for effectiveness, if OP is a macro, I don't know about you, but it looks quite effective to me...0 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Macro's, lagswitches and man-bear-pig! I told you they were real!
Your sarcasm is poor. Macros are real. And really easy to make if you have just any basic programming knowledge.
I could make a script that would automatically press any extra mapped keys in a short sequence after each other and assign it on demand to only work with ESO and have an on/off switch for it.
For example, bind key A to light attack, bind B1, B2, B3, B4, B5 to skill, Bind C to bash.
Assign key D1, D2, D3, D4, D5 to trigger sequence of A + B1-B5 + C within 300 milliseconds.
Stop acting like it's a *** joke. Not to mention this is the simplest one of them all.Ofc macroing exists but its not effective in Any way compared to proper animation canceling and button smashing. As mentioned there is a GCD in place.
The kind of macroing this thread is about is exactly as effective as 'proper' animation cancelling because it has absolutely nothing to do with GCD.
If you fire a light attack, you do not have to wait for GCD before firing a skill, and after that you do not have to wait for GCD before firing a bash. All three can be used right after each other, for all practical purposes appearing as a single attack which does three hits.
Also, this ^^^Edited by Nyladreas on February 24, 2019 11:57AM3 -
Noctus✭✭✭✭✭Macro's, lagswitches and man-bear-pig! I told you they were real!
Your sarcasm is poor. Macros are real. And really easy to make if you have just any basic programming knowledge.
I could make a script that would automatically press any extra mapped keys in a short sequence after each other and assign it on demand to only work with ESO and have an on/off switch for it.
For example, bind key A to light attack, bind B1, B2, B3, B4, B5 to skill, Bind C to bash.
Assign key D1, D2, D3, D4, D5 to trigger sequence of A + B1-B5 + C within 300 milliseconds.
Stop acting like it's a *** joke. Not to mention this is the simplest one of them all.
i challenge u then to a pvp match show me the effectivity lol. or go defeat alcast or dottz i wanna see ur effectivity. ur acting like its godmode.
what if skill b is the wrong skill in the moment when u needed to use skill a and die becouse of ur stupid macro. its still the best thing to learn ur skills and have full controll.
Edited by Noctus on February 24, 2019 11:37AM1 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Macro's, lagswitches and man-bear-pig! I told you they were real!
Your sarcasm is poor. Macros are real. And really easy to make if you have just any basic programming knowledge.
I could make a script that would automatically press any extra mapped keys in a short sequence after each other and assign it on demand to only work with ESO and have an on/off switch for it.
For example, bind key A to light attack, bind B1, B2, B3, B4, B5 to skill, Bind C to bash.
Assign key D1, D2, D3, D4, D5 to trigger sequence of A + B1-B5 + C within 300 milliseconds.
Stop acting like it's a *** joke. Not to mention this is the simplest one of them all.
i challenge u then to a pvp match show me the effectivity lol. or go defeat alcast or dottz i wanna see ur effectivity. ur acting like its godmode
And why not? You just need the supporting knowledge of the game and its combat. Learn how to move and predict. Not to mention that Alcast for example plays on near perfect latency from Germany, ironically and potentially making this macro even deadlier.
As far as clicking or tapping itself alone goes, it really is godmode. I thought that was the point I was replying to, was it not?Edited by Nyladreas on February 24, 2019 11:54AM0 -
Noctus✭✭✭✭✭Macro's, lagswitches and man-bear-pig! I told you they were real!
Your sarcasm is poor. Macros are real. And really easy to make if you have just any basic programming knowledge.
I could make a script that would automatically press any extra mapped keys in a short sequence after each other and assign it on demand to only work with ESO and have an on/off switch for it.
For example, bind key A to light attack, bind B1, B2, B3, B4, B5 to skill, Bind C to bash.
Assign key D1, D2, D3, D4, D5 to trigger sequence of A + B1-B5 + C within 300 milliseconds.
Stop acting like it's a *** joke. Not to mention this is the simplest one of them all.
i challenge u then to a pvp match show me the effectivity lol. or go defeat alcast or dottz i wanna see ur effectivity. ur acting like its godmode
And why not? You just need the supporting knowledge of the game and its combat. Learn how to move and predict. Not to mention that Alcast for example plays on near perfect latency from Germany, ironically and potentially making this macro even deadlier.
As far as clicking or tapping itself alone goes, it really is godmode. I thought that was the point of this thread, was it not?
allcast is playing on NA servers. but yeh he also have eu accountEdited by Noctus on February 24, 2019 11:45AM0 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ofc macroing exists but its not effective in Any way compared to proper animation canceling and button smashing. As mentioned there is a GCD in place. Scripts are a totally different thing and ESO has software looking out for thoose using it. Ofc there exists players using scripts but they are very few and they can only use it for Short periods of time to not get caught. So its actually a non issue.
This is false. Proper scripts bound to keyboard or mouse strokes in the system cannot be detected by ESO casue it does not in any way directly interfere with a client. It's a rumor.
Also, as far as legal use of macros goes. I do belive they are allowed (sadly), it does not specifically say anywhere that macros themselves are not allowed. Generalized grouping into 3rd party softwares/hardwares doesn't apply either.
A response from a ZOS employee would be appreciated @ZOS_GinaBrunoEdited by Nyladreas on February 24, 2019 11:53AM0 -
Noctus✭✭✭✭✭Macro's, lagswitches and man-bear-pig! I told you they were real!
Your sarcasm is poor. Macros are real. And really easy to make if you have just any basic programming knowledge.
I could make a script that would automatically press any extra mapped keys in a short sequence after each other and assign it on demand to only work with ESO and have an on/off switch for it.
For example, bind key A to light attack, bind B1, B2, B3, B4, B5 to skill, Bind C to bash.
Assign key D1, D2, D3, D4, D5 to trigger sequence of A + B1-B5 + C within 300 milliseconds.
Stop acting like it's a *** joke. Not to mention this is the simplest one of them all.
i challenge u then to a pvp match show me the effectivity lol. or go defeat alcast or dottz i wanna see ur effectivity. ur acting like its godmode
Not to mention that Alcast for example plays on near perfect latency from Germany, ironically and potentially making this macro even deadlier
cant believe u even accuse him. pretty sure he recorded his mouse keyboard while playing once.0 -
HuawaSepp✭✭✭Always these guys who are against macroing and then use alt+f4 to close the game
PTS-EU0 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Macro's, lagswitches and man-bear-pig! I told you they were real!
Your sarcasm is poor. Macros are real. And really easy to make if you have just any basic programming knowledge.
I could make a script that would automatically press any extra mapped keys in a short sequence after each other and assign it on demand to only work with ESO and have an on/off switch for it.
For example, bind key A to light attack, bind B1, B2, B3, B4, B5 to skill, Bind C to bash.
Assign key D1, D2, D3, D4, D5 to trigger sequence of A + B1-B5 + C within 300 milliseconds.
Stop acting like it's a *** joke. Not to mention this is the simplest one of them all.
i challenge u then to a pvp match show me the effectivity lol. or go defeat alcast or dottz i wanna see ur effectivity. ur acting like its godmode
Not to mention that Alcast for example plays on near perfect latency from Germany, ironically and potentially making this macro even deadlier
cant believe u even accuse him. pretty sure he recorded his mouse keyboard while playing once.
I never accused him. I only said that latency comparable to his can make it even worse.
You gotta relax my friend.Edited by Nyladreas on February 24, 2019 12:15PM0 -
KoultouraS✭✭✭✭✭
The claim that macros aren't effective , is yours, so the burden of proof is yours not ours.Macro's, lagswitches and man-bear-pig! I told you they were real!
Your sarcasm is poor. Macros are real. And really easy to make if you have just any basic programming knowledge.
I could make a script that would automatically press any extra mapped keys in a short sequence after each other and assign it on demand to only work with ESO and have an on/off switch for it.
For example, bind key A to light attack, bind B1, B2, B3, B4, B5 to skill, Bind C to bash.
Assign key D1, D2, D3, D4, D5 to trigger sequence of A + B1-B5 + C within 300 milliseconds.
Stop acting like it's a *** joke. Not to mention this is the simplest one of them all.
i challenge u then to a pvp match show me the effectivity lol. or go defeat alcast or dottz i wanna see ur effectivity. ur acting like its godmode.
what if skill b is the wrong skill in the moment when u needed to use skill a and die becouse of ur stupid macro. its still the best thing to learn ur skills and have full controll.
Also i am not pretty sure what are you saying to him?
Is it something like this : in order to prove dopping exists in track and field sports one should race Usain Bolt?
If so, then we don't try to prove it exists, it is by default existing as long as there are gaming mice and keyboards
allowing macroing.
We just happen to be frank about it, and not calling it a skill , or a muscle memory or whatever.
Besides half of the posts here showing how quick one can cast/animation cancel and bash do it STATICALLY on a STATIC NON ATTACKING DUMMIE and not a moving human who is attacking you in pvp.
Furthermore in their arguments, they barely consider the input lag, the ms intervening between your router and servers IP, and alot of other parameters, which would render a 0.05 reaction IMPOSSIBLE by any known human standard.
Edited by KoultouraS on February 24, 2019 12:14PM1 -
Noctus✭✭✭✭✭pressing 2 buttons or more in under 0,05 seconds doesnt mean u have 0,05 second reflexes lolEdited by Noctus on February 24, 2019 12:18PM0
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KoultouraS✭✭✭✭✭0.05 reaction IMPOSSIBLE by any known human standard.
pressing 2 buttons or more in a sequense has nothing to do with reflexes
https://cookie.riimu.net/speed/
lets see then how quick you can press 1 click
I managed to click 9.2 clicks per second
(0.108 reaction)
You are telling us one can do that in half pressing numbers?
Even when assigned in mouse buttons , I dare you give me 0.05 click reaction.
(just divide your clicks per second / 1 to see the reaction in ms)
Let alone pressing 2-3 buttons all together
Edited by KoultouraS on February 24, 2019 12:26PM0 -
Noctus✭✭✭✭✭
but i rly dont see any advantage by macro. i rly dont. maybe becouse ive sunk like 500 hours into pvp. but if i would use a macro for a sequence of skills i feel like crippling myself becouse sometimes in the middle of finishing an opponent i need to switch around or use another skill depending on the situation. can u send me a video with private message of a macro user showing me the effectivitiy.Edited by Noctus on February 24, 2019 12:27PM0 -
Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KoultouraS wrote: »0.05 reaction IMPOSSIBLE by any known human standard.
pressing 2 buttons or more in a sequense has nothing to do with reflexes
https://cookie.riimu.net/speed/
lets see then how quick you can press 1 click
I managed to click 9.2 clicks per second
(0.102 reaction)
You are telling us one can do that in half pressing numbers?
Even when assigned in mouse buttons , I dare you give me 0.05 click reaction.
(just divide your clicks per second / 1 to see the reaction in ms)
Let alone pressing 2-3 buttons all together
How is this even relevant to the issue at hand? For "LA skill bash" you are pressing different buttons not the same one. It also has nothign to do with reaction time. You are not reacting to anything...2 -
Emmagoldman✭✭✭✭✭
✭I agree that its a light attack, skill, bash and not a cheat engine. Also, whats your health at? I think they hit you for around 18k0 -
KoultouraS✭✭✭✭✭KoultouraS wrote: »0.05 reaction IMPOSSIBLE by any known human standard.
pressing 2 buttons or more in a sequense has nothing to do with reflexes
https://cookie.riimu.net/speed/
lets see then how quick you can press 1 click
I managed to click 9.2 clicks per second
(0.102 reaction)
You are telling us one can do that in half pressing numbers?
Even when assigned in mouse buttons , I dare you give me 0.05 click reaction.
(just divide your clicks per second / 1 to see the reaction in ms)
Let alone pressing 2-3 buttons all together
How is this even relevant to the issue at hand? For "LA skill bash" you are pressing different buttons not the same one. It also has nothign to do with reaction time. You are not reacting to anything...
Just assign all your naga side buttons to be Left clicks and give us a 0.*** reaction time.
lets see how quickly one can do that..0 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is false. Proper scripts bound to keyboard or mouse strokes in the system cannot be detected by ESO casue it does not in any way directly interfere with a client. It's a rumor.
Also, as far as legal use of macros goes. I do belive they are allowed (sadly), it does not specifically say anywhere that macros themselves are not allowed. Generalized grouping into 3rd party softwares/hardwares doesn't apply either.
A response from a ZOS employee would be appreciated @ZOS_GinaBruno
They are not allowed. Says so in the ToS. It does not come under "third-party software" but "automation", which is the last sentence in this paragraph.You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of "bots", "speed hacks", "deep-link", "page-scrape", "robot", "spider", algorithms or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, "mirroring") the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.
You can quibble over semantics and lawyer it until there is no more lawyering to be done, but they have said here in the forum:Whether it provides an advantage or not, utilizing macros do fall under this category and are prohibited. Please be sure to let us know if you still have any further questions or concerns!
That is the latest word. No one from ZOS has updated or corrected that, to my knowledge. Feel free to provide links, if they have.
Edit: and, if you have questions, send them a ticket or a PM and ask.Edited by Elsonso on February 24, 2019 12:56PMXBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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Ashtaris✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »Are macros even against the rules?
Yep.
In the TOS: https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/terms-of-service#_EN_Toc_09
9. YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES
You further agree not to access, create, or provide any other means through which the Services, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), may be used or accessed by others, such as through server emulators.
You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.
You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of "bots", "speed hacks", "deep-link", "page-scrape", "robot", "spider", algorithms or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, "mirroring") the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.
No where in there does it mention marcroing. Macroing is a common practice in MMOs so for ZOS to fail to mention it specifically in their TOS is either a show of utter incompetence or its because they're not against it.
Further more if we go by your apparent interpretation of the TOS any use of peripherals or 3rd party software that allows you to create a control scheme that isn't directly supported by the in-game key bind options is also against the TOS, since it might give them an advantage. Guess I should be banned for using a mouse with more than 3 buttons.
ZOS has specifically mentioned in the past that Macro’ing is against the TOS. It’s been a couple of years ago or so when they made the post, but it has been posted. I’ll leave it up to you to find it. Besides, use a bit of common sense. What do you think a Macro is? It’s software that strings together a sequence of keystrokes in rapid succession that’s sent to the game that gives the player an unfair advantage. The very thing the TOS mentions above.
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KoultouraS✭✭✭✭✭KoultouraS wrote: »0.05 reaction IMPOSSIBLE by any known human standard.
pressing 2 buttons or more in a sequense has nothing to do with reflexes
https://cookie.riimu.net/speed/
lets see then how quick you can press 1 click
I managed to click 9.2 clicks per second
(0.102 reaction)
You are telling us one can do that in half pressing numbers?
Even when assigned in mouse buttons , I dare you give me 0.05 click reaction.
(just divide your clicks per second / 1 to see the reaction in ms)
Let alone pressing 2-3 buttons all together
How is this even relevant to the issue at hand? For "LA skill bash" you are pressing different buttons not the same one. It also has nothign to do with reaction time. You are not reacting to anything...
Just assign all your naga side buttons to be Left clicks and give us a 0.*** reaction time.
lets see how quickly one can do that..KoultouraS wrote: »KoultouraS wrote: »0.05 reaction IMPOSSIBLE by any known human standard.
pressing 2 buttons or more in a sequense has nothing to do with reflexes
https://cookie.riimu.net/speed/
lets see then how quick you can press 1 click
I managed to click 9.2 clicks per second
(0.102 reaction)
You are telling us one can do that in half pressing numbers?
Even when assigned in mouse buttons , I dare you give me 0.05 click reaction.
(just divide your clicks per second / 1 to see the reaction in ms)
Let alone pressing 2-3 buttons all together
How is this even relevant to the issue at hand? For "LA skill bash" you are pressing different buttons not the same one. It also has nothign to do with reaction time. You are not reacting to anything...
Just assign all your naga side buttons to be Left clicks and give us a 0.*** reaction time.
lets see how quickly one can do that..
https://cookie.riimu.net/speed/
Since this is maybe intentionally burried, I dare anyone , and specially those L2P internet heroes, who say it is possible to press buttons in less than 0.05 ms
to:
1. assign all their (or the preferable ones) side (or extra) buttons his gaming mouse has --if any-- and rebind them to be left-clicks. Synapse can do that I checked it.
2. Visit the site above and run a 20 sec test . 20 sec is by far A LOT less a pvp fight could last, but I am giving you that as an advantage.
3. Present us his CPS (=clicks per second , so we can divide it and see the actuall milisecond response.)
It would be also nice if we saw the variables of delays between keypresses , but this is impossible with this method.
I bet the variables would be many
Be it a "skilled" or a " pro" or God himself. I don't care.
Edited by KoultouraS on February 24, 2019 3:52PM0 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KoultouraS wrote: »KoultouraS wrote: »0.05 reaction IMPOSSIBLE by any known human standard.
pressing 2 buttons or more in a sequense has nothing to do with reflexes
https://cookie.riimu.net/speed/
lets see then how quick you can press 1 click
I managed to click 9.2 clicks per second
(0.102 reaction)
You are telling us one can do that in half pressing numbers?
Even when assigned in mouse buttons , I dare you give me 0.05 click reaction.
(just divide your clicks per second / 1 to see the reaction in ms)
Let alone pressing 2-3 buttons all together
How is this even relevant to the issue at hand? For "LA skill bash" you are pressing different buttons not the same one. It also has nothign to do with reaction time. You are not reacting to anything...
Just assign all your naga side buttons to be Left clicks and give us a 0.*** reaction time.
lets see how quickly one can do that..KoultouraS wrote: »KoultouraS wrote: »0.05 reaction IMPOSSIBLE by any known human standard.
pressing 2 buttons or more in a sequense has nothing to do with reflexes
https://cookie.riimu.net/speed/
lets see then how quick you can press 1 click
I managed to click 9.2 clicks per second
(0.102 reaction)
You are telling us one can do that in half pressing numbers?
Even when assigned in mouse buttons , I dare you give me 0.05 click reaction.
(just divide your clicks per second / 1 to see the reaction in ms)
Let alone pressing 2-3 buttons all together
How is this even relevant to the issue at hand? For "LA skill bash" you are pressing different buttons not the same one. It also has nothign to do with reaction time. You are not reacting to anything...
Just assign all your naga side buttons to be Left clicks and give us a 0.*** reaction time.
lets see how quickly one can do that..
https://cookie.riimu.net/speed/
Since this is maybe intentionally burried, I dare anyone , and specially those L2P internet heroes, who say it is possible to press buttons in less than 0.05 ms
to:
1. assign all their (or the preferable ones) side (or extra) buttons his gaming mouse has --if any-- and rebind them to be left-clicks. Synapse can do that I checked it.
2. Visit the site above and run a 20 sec test . 20 sec is by far A LOT less a pvp fight could last, but I am giving you that as an advantage.
3. Present us his CPS (=clicks per second , so we can divide it and see the actuall milisecond response.)
It would be also nice if we saw the variables of delays between keypresses , but this is impossible with this method.
I bet the variables would be many
Be it a "skilled" or a " pro" or God himself. I don't care.
Man that test You've linked have nothing to do with how clicking in ESO works. Stress testing Your fingers by mashing buttons like crazy for certain amount of time is not similar to subsequent combo of 3 different buttons clicked every 1 second performed sometimes with use of 2 hands. It's not about how many clicks You can perform per second but how fast You can perform 3 clicks withtin 1 second interval of skill global cooldown. I can only feel sorry for You because it looks like You're bad at clicking in ESO so You seek for evidences that others that are better then You all are using some 3rd party software. You must be also pretty bad at executing combos in ESO to not see the difference between finger stress testing and performing combos in ESO. Also You dont need some fancy mouses like naga to perform fast combos in ESO my mouse have 4 side buttons 2 on left 2 or right side and I am doing perfectly fine with it plus Your advice to sign all mouse buttons as left click is kinda silly because lot of people is using keyboard+mouse to perform LA+skil+bash combo in ESO. If You want to test how fast people can click combos in specific game ask for combat logs from that game.Edited by Juhasow on February 24, 2019 4:17PM0 -
WillhelmBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭That's the time frame it hit you, not necessarily the times he casted it. We're playing over a mega server here. When I play on NA I do a combo and it looks like I've done it all in a split second. Truth is I'm doing it in the same time I would normally do it, even I can't see all of it. Sometimes it just looks like I'm winding up a heavy.PC EU1 -
laksikus✭✭✭✭✭
✭what are you rambling about clicks per second?
i dont need to get 20 clicks per second. i just need 3. LA, skills, bash. and i do those with 3 different fingers...
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KoultouraS✭✭✭✭✭what are you rambling about clicks per second?
i dont need to get 20 clicks per second. i just need 3. LA, skills, bash. and i do those with 3 different fingers...
So please , do us a favor.
Rebind all your mouse buttons to be left clicks (or the ones u usualy use) and execute your ordinary array of actions.
The click meter will count how many clicks you do per second.
The ratio will be --lets say 6/1-- or so. By dividing them we can learn your average key/ms .
People here claim that what op has suffered from is perfectly fine,
which means that if its not a macro , we can recreate a 0.05 click time on triggering skills bound on a mouse extra button.
I take a gaming mouse is used for granted , cuz frankly , doing it with keys from keyboard is what I ve been told here none does, as an argument against how quickly one can cast , move , animation cancel and heal/shield him self in pvp.
Here we go be my guest.
Just try to recreate what others say is possible.Edited by KoultouraS on February 24, 2019 4:51PM1 -
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