Macro in Action

damtotb16_ESO

This is a snip from BG PC/EU.
You can see a typical combo execution of this nb doing 3 attacks( Light attack+ surprise attack + Bash) within 0.15 sec on a moving target. Convince me this is not done by 3rd party software. I reported the player to Zenimax but since they did not care to reply me I will post it here
Toughts?

Gravord

Animation cancelling should never be a thing as its only encourages baddies to go for macros in the first place. And theres plenty baddies out there that will resort to any shady exploit to get advantage.

KoultouraS

65-70% percent of players play with macro.
The other 30-35% percent of players either think they are noobs and they just lose to "skilled(aka macro) players ,
or do use macro but call it a "skill".

I see people animation canceling in cyrodiil , on the move... going in and out the zerg ball...
they must be having something more than 20 fingers per hand...

alexj4596b14_ESO

Are macros even against the rules?

VaranisArano

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

Are macros even against the rules?

Yep.

In the TOS: https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/terms-of-service#_EN_Toc_09

9. YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES

You further agree not to access, create, or provide any other means through which the Services, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), may be used or accessed by others, such as through server emulators.

You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.

You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of "bots", "speed hacks", "deep-link", "page-scrape", "robot", "spider", algorithms or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, "mirroring") the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.

Bashev

damtotb16_ESO wrote: »

This is a snip from BG PC/EU.
You can see a typical combo execution of this nb doing 3 attacks( Light attack+ surprise attack + Bash) within 0.15 sec on a moving target. Convince me this is not done by 3rd party software. I reported the player to Zenimax but since they did not care to reply me I will post it here
Toughts?

There are even some videos where players make builds and they forget to turn of the macros. I think ZoS just should make the light attack damage automatic with each skill and turn of the skill animation. Then if you want to see the light attack animation, use just light attacks.

alexj4596b14_ESO

VaranisArano wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

Are macros even against the rules?

Yep.

In the TOS: https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/terms-of-service#_EN_Toc_09

9. YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES

You further agree not to access, create, or provide any other means through which the Services, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), may be used or accessed by others, such as through server emulators.

You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.

You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of "bots", "speed hacks", "deep-link", "page-scrape", "robot", "spider", algorithms or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, "mirroring") the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.

So mouse and keyboard macros are also against the rules then?

Dubhliam

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

Are macros even against the rules?

Yep.

In the TOS: https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/terms-of-service#_EN_Toc_09

9. YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES

You further agree not to access, create, or provide any other means through which the Services, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), may be used or accessed by others, such as through server emulators.

You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.

You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of "bots", "speed hacks", "deep-link", "page-scrape", "robot", "spider", algorithms or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, "mirroring") the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.

So mouse and keyboard macros are also against the rules then?

Yes

VaranisArano

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

Are macros even against the rules?

Yep.

In the TOS: https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/terms-of-service#_EN_Toc_09

9. YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES

You further agree not to access, create, or provide any other means through which the Services, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), may be used or accessed by others, such as through server emulators.

You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.

You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of "bots", "speed hacks", "deep-link", "page-scrape", "robot", "spider", algorithms or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, "mirroring") the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.

So mouse and key boardacros are also against the rules then?

Macros would be against the rules, yes. ZOS wants us to be actively controlling our characters. Automation is against the TOS. In the past, they've stated that even rubberbanding/taping your controller is not acceptable. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3858917#Comment_3858917

alexj4596b14_ESO

VaranisArano wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

Are macros even against the rules?

Yep.

In the TOS: https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/terms-of-service#_EN_Toc_09

9. YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES

You further agree not to access, create, or provide any other means through which the Services, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), may be used or accessed by others, such as through server emulators.

You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.

You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of "bots", "speed hacks", "deep-link", "page-scrape", "robot", "spider", algorithms or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, "mirroring") the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.

So mouse and key boardacros are also against the rules then?

Macros would be against the rules, yes. ZOS wants us to be actively controlling our characters. Automation is against the TOS. In the past, they've stated that even rubberbanding/taping your controller is not acceptable. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3858917#Comment_3858917

That really sucks for people with intellectual or physical restrictions who could use them for light attack weaving.

Syhae

Lot of players don't understand global cool down and blame things on macro.

Global cool down is like 1 second (a little over 1 I think? Someone please fact check me if I'm wrong)

In that global CD there are a couple things you can do.

Per global CD you can only use 1 skill. Note I said skill. This doesn't cover light attacking or bashing.
Every global CD you can light attack before using your skill and bash right after it.
Easiest way to do that? Rebind bash to a different button first, I use V.
So when you press a skill, what your fingers should be doing is this : Light Attack(Left Click) Skill(1-5 whatever you bind it to) and bash(V for me if youre bash cancelling your skill).

Anybody can do that without macros. It isn't hard, 3 buttons pressed in sequence.

I get that some people don't really have the time to invest in practicing that, or really care enough to get that down but calling it macros is silly and ignorant, its just a player who knows how to cast skills every GCD and how to light attack weave and bash cancel, it isn't rocket science.

I see 3 Nightblade skills used over 3 seconds in the combat log. With light attacks and bashes mixed in. Please tell me where the macro is?

VaranisArano

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

Are macros even against the rules?

Yep.

In the TOS: https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/terms-of-service#_EN_Toc_09

9. YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES

You further agree not to access, create, or provide any other means through which the Services, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), may be used or accessed by others, such as through server emulators.

You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.

You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of "bots", "speed hacks", "deep-link", "page-scrape", "robot", "spider", algorithms or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, "mirroring") the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.

So mouse and key boardacros are also against the rules then?

Macros would be against the rules, yes. ZOS wants us to be actively controlling our characters. Automation is against the TOS. In the past, they've stated that even rubberbanding/taping your controller is not acceptable. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3858917#Comment_3858917

That really sucks for people with intellectual or physical restrictions who could use them for light attack weaving.

Unfortunately, while macros could be used as an adaptive tool for some gamers, its very prone to abuse by players who do not need adaptive aids. That abuse makes it prohibitive for ZOS to allow players to use macros and other forms of automation.

People. We're why we can't have nice things.

Bashev

Syhae wrote: »

Lot of players don't understand global cool down and blame things on macro.

Global cool down is like 1 second (a little over 1 I think? Someone please fact check me if I'm wrong)

In that global CD there are a couple things you can do.

Per global CD you can only use 1 skill. Note I said skill. This doesn't cover light attacking or bashing.
Every global CD you can light attack before using your skill and bash right after it.
Easiest way to do that? Rebind bash to a different button first, I use V.
So when you press a skill, what your fingers should be doing is this : Light Attack(Left Click) Skill(1-5 whatever you bind it to) and bash(V for me if youre bash cancelling your skill).

Anybody can do that without macros. It isn't hard, 3 buttons pressed in sequence.

I get that some people don't really have the time to invest in practicing that, or really care enough to get that down but calling it macros is silly and ignorant, its just a player who knows how to cast skills every GCD and how to light attack weave and bash cancel, it isn't rocket science.

I see 3 Nightblade skills used over 3 seconds in the combat log. With light attacks and bashes mixed in. Please tell me where the macro is?

Really? Don you see that after each light attack follow a skill within 0.06ms?

Lloydmp

If it’s a macro doesn’t that mean it would always be LA/SA/Bash? And if so why not post a pic where he has hit you multiple times where all these attacks (multiple instances) have happened at within 0.15 seconds?

Not saying it doesn’t exist cause what the hell do I know but seems inconsistent

Noctus

this thread is rly just l2p problem. i understand complains about balance on the forum but removing an aspect of the game ?

Syhae wrote: »

Lot of players don't understand global cool down and blame things on macro.

Global cool down is like 1 second (a little over 1 I think? Someone please fact check me if I'm wrong)

In that global CD there are a couple things you can do.

Per global CD you can only use 1 skill. Note I said skill. This doesn't cover light attacking or bashing.
Every global CD you can light attack before using your skill and bash right after it.
Easiest way to do that? Rebind bash to a different button first, I use V.
So when you press a skill, what your fingers should be doing is this : Light Attack(Left Click) Skill(1-5 whatever you bind it to) and bash(V for me if youre bash cancelling your skill).

Anybody can do that without macros. It isn't hard, 3 buttons pressed in sequence.

I get that some people don't really have the time to invest in practicing that, or really care enough to get that down but calling it macros is silly and ignorant, its just a player who knows how to cast skills every GCD and how to light attack weave and bash cancel, it isn't rocket science.

I see 3 Nightblade skills used over 3 seconds in the combat log. With light attacks and bashes mixed in. Please tell me where the macro is?

THERE ISNT. this guy is butthurt thats it

Sy1ph5

That's easily done by anyone with enough practice. The only reason to suspect that is a macro is if it lands with a consistency that isn't likely to be replicable by a human. Eg. All the la-skill-bashes land in the same interval every time.
You have a sample size of one.
You got killed get over it.

LeagueTroll

That’s not macro, that’s cheat engine, no one put bash in macro. The most common thing about cheater is instant break free and bash. Macro is very common but honestly it just let you weave better, it’s much less an advantage compare to scripts.

therift

I'm on console, so I'm not familiar with the add-on you are using.

I see a Light Attack cancelled into Surprise Attack followed by Bash after the one second global cool-down following Surprise Attack.

Regarding the add-on, I have two questions:

1) Are the time stamps derived after the server conducts combat calculations, or are they generated client-side when the server sends the results to your PC? I'm guessing the time stamps are generated by the add-on client-side, so there is a transmission delay.

2) How do your time stamps compare to the time stamps of the actions performed by your opponent? Are they synchronized or generated independently by each client?

It appears to me that the time stamps of your add-on become less reliable as more data per time unit is supplied by the server to your client.

I don't see anything that supports the hypothesis that a macro was employed. The global cool-down is clearly evident, and the time-stamps are of dubious reliability.

LeagueTroll

KoultouraS wrote: »

65-70% percent of players play with macro.
The other 30-35% percent of players either think they are noobs and they just lose to "skilled(aka macro) players ,
or do use macro but call it a "skill".

I see people animation canceling in cyrodiil , on the move... going in and out the zerg ball...
they must be having something more than 20 fingers per hand...

Totally. But fast bash is not macro, that’s actually a scripter.

alexj4596b14_ESO

VaranisArano wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

Are macros even against the rules?

Yep.

In the TOS: https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/terms-of-service#_EN_Toc_09

9. YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES

You further agree not to access, create, or provide any other means through which the Services, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), may be used or accessed by others, such as through server emulators.

You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.

You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of "bots", "speed hacks", "deep-link", "page-scrape", "robot", "spider", algorithms or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, "mirroring") the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.

So mouse and key boardacros are also against the rules then?

Macros would be against the rules, yes. ZOS wants us to be actively controlling our characters. Automation is against the TOS. In the past, they've stated that even rubberbanding/taping your controller is not acceptable. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3858917#Comment_3858917

That really sucks for people with intellectual or physical restrictions who could use them for light attack weaving.

Unfortunately, while macros could be used as an adaptive tool for some gamers, its very prone to abuse by players who do not need adaptive aids. That abuse makes it prohibitive for ZOS to allow players to use macros and other forms of automation.

People. We're why we can't have nice things.

It goes allot further then that actually. It would mean that these peptt are effectively locked out of Trails, PvP, and most end game content simply for not haveing the ability coordinate 3 actions within a one second period, consistently.

Sanctum74

KoultouraS wrote: »

65-70% percent of players play with macro.
The other 30-35% percent of players either think they are noobs and they just lose to "skilled(aka macro) players ,
or do use macro but call it a "skill".

I see people animation canceling in cyrodiil , on the move... going in and out the zerg ball...
they must be having something more than 20 fingers per hand...

And 98.9% of internet statistics are made up

Bashev

LeagueTroll wrote: »

KoultouraS wrote: »

65-70% percent of players play with macro.
The other 30-35% percent of players either think they are noobs and they just lose to "skilled(aka macro) players ,
or do use macro but call it a "skill".

I see people animation canceling in cyrodiil , on the move... going in and out the zerg ball...
they must be having something more than 20 fingers per hand...

Totally. But fast bash is not macro, that’s actually a scripter.

It is a macro. I guess he was using 1h/sword considering the damage of the bash. And you have to wait around 100ms after the skill to cast the bash otherwise the bash will cancel the skill.

LeagueTroll

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

Are macros even against the rules?

Yep.

In the TOS: https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/terms-of-service#_EN_Toc_09

9. YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES

You further agree not to access, create, or provide any other means through which the Services, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), may be used or accessed by others, such as through server emulators.

You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.

You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of "bots", "speed hacks", "deep-link", "page-scrape", "robot", "spider", algorithms or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, "mirroring") the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.

So mouse and key boardacros are also against the rules then?

Macros would be against the rules, yes. ZOS wants us to be actively controlling our characters. Automation is against the TOS. In the past, they've stated that even rubberbanding/taping your controller is not acceptable. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3858917#Comment_3858917

That really sucks for people with intellectual or physical restrictions who could use them for light attack weaving.

Unfortunately, while macros could be used as an adaptive tool for some gamers, its very prone to abuse by players who do not need adaptive aids. That abuse makes it prohibitive for ZOS to allow players to use macros and other forms of automation.

People. We're why we can't have nice things.

It goes allot further then that actually. It would mean that these peptt are effectively locked out of Trails, PvP, and most end game content simply for not haveing the ability coordinate 3 actions within a one second period, consistently.

Not really I don’t use macro, I can’t hit 40k dps, but i still contribute as a tank. It’s only disadvantage for a dd to not have macro.

Shalktonin

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

Are macros even against the rules?

Yep.

In the TOS: https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/terms-of-service#_EN_Toc_09

9. YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES

You further agree not to access, create, or provide any other means through which the Services, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), may be used or accessed by others, such as through server emulators.

You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.

You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of "bots", "speed hacks", "deep-link", "page-scrape", "robot", "spider", algorithms or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, "mirroring") the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.

So mouse and key boardacros are also against the rules then?

Macros would be against the rules, yes. ZOS wants us to be actively controlling our characters. Automation is against the TOS. In the past, they've stated that even rubberbanding/taping your controller is not acceptable. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3858917#Comment_3858917

That really sucks for people with intellectual or physical restrictions who could use them for light attack weaving.

as someone with those kinds of disabilities i think this is fine, because there are plenty of people who would try and fake these kinds of things just so they could get an advantage because they are losers in real life. I'm fine with not giving those people any rock to hide behind.

LeagueTroll

Bashev wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

KoultouraS wrote: »

65-70% percent of players play with macro.
The other 30-35% percent of players either think they are noobs and they just lose to "skilled(aka macro) players ,
or do use macro but call it a "skill".

I see people animation canceling in cyrodiil , on the move... going in and out the zerg ball...
they must be having something more than 20 fingers per hand...

Totally. But fast bash is not macro, that’s actually a scripter.

It is a macro. I guess he was using 1h/sword considering the damage of the bash. And you have to wait around 100ms after the skill to cast the bash otherwise the bash will cancel the skill.

It’s a scripter, it’s far worse, macro users do a prefect weave after cast skill every time that’s about it, put bash in macro just kill your stam pool real fast. Only scripter do that. Macro user still need to provide input. Scripter need to provide very little input.

alexj4596b14_ESO

LeagueTroll wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

Are macros even against the rules?

Yep.

In the TOS: https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/terms-of-service#_EN_Toc_09

9. YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES

You further agree not to access, create, or provide any other means through which the Services, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), may be used or accessed by others, such as through server emulators.

You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.

You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of "bots", "speed hacks", "deep-link", "page-scrape", "robot", "spider", algorithms or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, "mirroring") the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.

So mouse and key boardacros are also against the rules then?

Macros would be against the rules, yes. ZOS wants us to be actively controlling our characters. Automation is against the TOS. In the past, they've stated that even rubberbanding/taping your controller is not acceptable. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3858917#Comment_3858917

That really sucks for people with intellectual or physical restrictions who could use them for light attack weaving.

Unfortunately, while macros could be used as an adaptive tool for some gamers, its very prone to abuse by players who do not need adaptive aids. That abuse makes it prohibitive for ZOS to allow players to use macros and other forms of automation.

People. We're why we can't have nice things.

It goes allot further then that actually. It would mean that these peptt are effectively locked out of Trails, PvP, and most end game content simply for not haveing the ability coordinate 3 actions within a one second period, consistently.

Not really I don’t use macro, I can’t hit 40k dps, but i still contribute as a tank. It’s only disadvantage for a dd to not have macro.

But that is still limiting, you can effectly only play as a tank in all combat. A tank in PvP sounds well boring and non-contributing in the long run. Playing only a tank in pve can be really fun but the mechanics of eso are pretty dry and uninteresting for tanks. I guess in the end I am would personally not be satisfied with just that small roll in eso considering the scale of the game and content.

Bashev

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

KoultouraS wrote: »

65-70% percent of players play with macro.
The other 30-35% percent of players either think they are noobs and they just lose to "skilled(aka macro) players ,
or do use macro but call it a "skill".

I see people animation canceling in cyrodiil , on the move... going in and out the zerg ball...
they must be having something more than 20 fingers per hand...

Totally. But fast bash is not macro, that’s actually a scripter.

It is a macro. I guess he was using 1h/sword considering the damage of the bash. And you have to wait around 100ms after the skill to cast the bash otherwise the bash will cancel the skill.

It’s a scripter, it’s far worse, macro users do a prefect weave after cast skill every time that’s about it, put bash in macro just kill your stam pool real fast. Only scripter do that. Macro user still need to provide input. Scripter need to provide very little input.

On my build in CP my bash is free cast and in no cp the cost is 200 stamina. Of course I will use bash with every hit.

alexj4596b14_ESO

Shalktonin wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

Are macros even against the rules?

Yep.

In the TOS: https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/terms-of-service#_EN_Toc_09

9. YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES

You further agree not to access, create, or provide any other means through which the Services, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), may be used or accessed by others, such as through server emulators.

You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.

You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of "bots", "speed hacks", "deep-link", "page-scrape", "robot", "spider", algorithms or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, "mirroring") the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.

So mouse and key boardacros are also against the rules then?

Macros would be against the rules, yes. ZOS wants us to be actively controlling our characters. Automation is against the TOS. In the past, they've stated that even rubberbanding/taping your controller is not acceptable. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3858917#Comment_3858917

That really sucks for people with intellectual or physical restrictions who could use them for light attack weaving.

as someone with those kinds of disabilities i think this is fine, because there are plenty of people who would try and fake these kinds of things just so they could get an advantage because they are losers in real life. I'm fine with not giving those people any rock to hide behind.

Then how do you adapt to high end content while still being viable and playing the class you want?

LeagueTroll

Bashev wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

KoultouraS wrote: »

65-70% percent of players play with macro.
The other 30-35% percent of players either think they are noobs and they just lose to "skilled(aka macro) players ,
or do use macro but call it a "skill".

I see people animation canceling in cyrodiil , on the move... going in and out the zerg ball...
they must be having something more than 20 fingers per hand...

Totally. But fast bash is not macro, that’s actually a scripter.

It is a macro. I guess he was using 1h/sword considering the damage of the bash. And you have to wait around 100ms after the skill to cast the bash otherwise the bash will cancel the skill.

It’s a scripter, it’s far worse, macro users do a prefect weave after cast skill every time that’s about it, put bash in macro just kill your stam pool real fast. Only scripter do that. Macro user still need to provide input. Scripter need to provide very little input.

On my build in CP my bash is free cast and in no cp the cost is 200 stamina. Of course I will use bash with every hit.

You don’t regen stam if you do that. Plus bash is hardly better than light attack.

Conduit0

VaranisArano wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

Are macros even against the rules?

Yep.

In the TOS: https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/terms-of-service#_EN_Toc_09

9. YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES

You further agree not to access, create, or provide any other means through which the Services, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), may be used or accessed by others, such as through server emulators.

You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.

You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of "bots", "speed hacks", "deep-link", "page-scrape", "robot", "spider", algorithms or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, "mirroring") the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.

No where in there does it mention marcroing. Macroing is a common practice in MMOs so for ZOS to fail to mention it specifically in their TOS is either a show of utter incompetence or its because they're not against it.
Further more if we go by your apparent interpretation of the TOS any use of peripherals or 3rd party software that allows you to create a control scheme that isn't directly supported by the in-game key bind options is also against the TOS, since it might give them an advantage. Guess I should be banned for using a mouse with more than 3 buttons.

alexj4596b14_ESO

Conduit0 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

Are macros even against the rules?

Yep.

In the TOS: https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/terms-of-service#_EN_Toc_09

9. YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES

You further agree not to access, create, or provide any other means through which the Services, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), may be used or accessed by others, such as through server emulators.

You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.

You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of "bots", "speed hacks", "deep-link", "page-scrape", "robot", "spider", algorithms or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, "mirroring") the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.

No where in there does it mention marcroing. Macroing is a common practice in MMOs so for ZOS to fail to mention it specifically in their TOS is either a show of utter incompetence or its because they're not against it.
Further more if we go by your apparent interpretation of the TOS any use of peripherals or 3rd party software that allows you to create a control scheme that isn't directly supported by the in-game key bind options is also against the TOS, since it might give them an advantage. Guess I should be banned for using a mouse with more than 3 buttons.

Wouldn't a macro for example to light attack weave with an ability useing gameing software that comes with a mouse be considered 3rd party though?