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Wood Elf/ Bosmer losing stealth passive, An open letter.

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  • Katahdin
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    @Ratzkifal, @BlueRaven, @A_Silverius

    My point is that you do not need this passive to be successful as a thief whatsoever. You can use any a race as a theif.

    People claiming that their theif character is now utterly destroyed and can't be a thief any more and "OMG! I can't log in now over this! Woe is me!" are being overly melodramatic and emotional over it.

    I agree the detect passive is useless and stupid in pve and could have been something better but your character is not destroyed because of this!

    I have 2 Imperials I used as thieves with no sneak passive. I have a bosmer that will still be a thief without the passive

    Shocking, I know
    Edited by Katahdin on February 25, 2019 7:22PM
    Beta tester November 2013
  • Bladewizard
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    Err wood elves sorry not woof elves
  • Katahdin
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    A_Silverius wrote: »
    Katahdin wrote: »
    @Ratzkifal, @BlueRaven, @A_Silverius

    My point is that you do not need this passive to be successful as a thief whatsoever. You can use any a race as a theif.

    People claiming that their theif character is now utterly destroyed and can't be a thief any more and "OMG! I can't log in now over this! Woe is me!" are being overly melodramatic and emotional over it.

    I agree the detect passive is useless and stupid in pve and could have been something better but your character is not destroyed because of this!

    I have 2 Imperials I used as thieves with no sneak passive. I have a bosmer that will still be a thief without the passive

    Shocking, I know

    My point was that Bosmer with sneak passive was the most efficient thief. Just like the lore says so.

    You'll live and still be able to steal stuff just fine. Or rage quit.
    Your choice
    Edited by Katahdin on February 25, 2019 8:31PM
    Beta tester November 2013
  • Katahdin
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    Ratzkifal wrote: »
    Katahdin wrote: »
    @Ratzkifal, @BlueRaven, @A_Silverius

    My point is that you do not need this passive to be successful as a thief whatsoever. You can use any a race as a theif.

    People claiming that their theif character is now utterly destroyed and can't be a thief any more and "OMG! I can't log in now over this! Woe is me!" are being overly melodramatic and emotional over it.

    I agree the detect passive is useless and stupid in pve and could have been something better but your character is not destroyed because of this!

    I have 2 Imperials I used as thieves with no sneak passive. I have a bosmer that will still be a thief without the passive

    Shocking, I know

    @Katahdin That's a nice strawman you have there.

    Nobody says we can't do thievery anymore. It is just that Imperials and Khajiit now have boosts to thievery when Bosmer should have at least one as well. Khajiit even have improved pickpocketing if you take away their stealth reduction. Bosmer have nothing. Imperials have 3% sneak cost reduction now, which is alright, but Bosmer deserve sneak cost reduction more. People picked Bosmer because of their sneaking passive. Taking that away, detracts from those characters.

    What strawman? That I have characters without steath passives that are fully leveled and successful thieves?

    That is not a strawman, it is a fact.

    One of my imperials has every thieving related achievement in the game before they ever got a steath/sneak bonus

    I have characters that lost stuff about them that were part of their identity that I loved too. I'm not changing thier race and I'm not committing hari kari over it. They will still do pretty much everything they did before. Including my bosmer who will still be a thief. They and I will survive.

    You're the one claiming you're so devistated by this change that you can't bring yourself to even log in.

    It's a damn game, not your life at stake.
    Edited by Katahdin on February 25, 2019 9:07PM
    Beta tester November 2013
  • Katahdin
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    MartiniDaniels wrote: »
    Katahdin wrote: »
    A_Silverius wrote: »
    Katahdin wrote: »
    @Ratzkifal, @BlueRaven, @A_Silverius

    My point is that you do not need this passive to be successful as a thief whatsoever. You can use any a race as a theif.

    People claiming that their theif character is now utterly destroyed and can't be a thief any more and "OMG! I can't log in now over this! Woe is me!" are being overly melodramatic and emotional over it.

    I agree the detect passive is useless and stupid in pve and could have been something better but your character is not destroyed because of this!

    I have 2 Imperials I used as thieves with no sneak passive. I have a bosmer that will still be a thief without the passive

    Shocking, I know

    My point was that Bosmer with sneak passive was the most efficient thief. Just like the lore says so.

    You'll live and still be able to steal stuff just fine. Or rage quit.
    Your choice

    Yes, you may snap on couple of mediocre boring sets which provide stealth radius and steal as them same as any altmer. Don't compare it to bosmer we had for years which can steal anything from anywhere and anybody while being in few medium armor pieces. I have a bosmer PVE tank/PVP brawler who was able to steal something when the mood is right, who was able to pass all mazzatun skips without invisibility potions and in heavy armor etc. Now it is all gone and bosmer was pigeonholed to anti-nightblade interceptor role and usage of suboptimal sets.


    Wow did Mazzatun last night with an Argonian that could do all the skips without invis potions. Ive done it on a breton, and altmer and dunmer and nord, and imperial before the changes. All of them did all the skips with not potions and no passives.
    Every class can steal stuff, sure you may have to be slightly more careful.

    I still think people are making WAY too much out of these racial changes.
    None of you are going to change my mind.

    Give all the feed back you want. They know all about the whingin and crying and they still did not change it.
    Its live and its probably not going to change. So learn to live with it or race change all your characters or continue to whine and cry to no avail.

    My load in is done and I am going to go play the game and have fun instead of beat my head against a brick wall in a silent room.

    Done with this stupid thread. Have a nice day!


    Edited by Katahdin on February 25, 2019 11:41PM
    Beta tester November 2013
  • Cundu_Ertur
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    max_only wrote: »
    Katahdin wrote: »
    MartiniDaniels wrote: »
    Katahdin wrote: »
    A_Silverius wrote: »
    Katahdin wrote: »
    @Ratzkifal, @BlueRaven, @A_Silverius

    My point is that you do not need this passive to be successful as a thief whatsoever. You can use any a race as a theif.

    People claiming that their theif character is now utterly destroyed and can't be a thief any more and "OMG! I can't log in now over this! Woe is me!" are being overly melodramatic and emotional over it.

    I agree the detect passive is useless and stupid in pve and could have been something better but your character is not destroyed because of this!

    I have 2 Imperials I used as thieves with no sneak passive. I have a bosmer that will still be a thief without the passive

    Shocking, I know

    My point was that Bosmer with sneak passive was the most efficient thief. Just like the lore says so.

    You'll live and still be able to steal stuff just fine. Or rage quit.
    Your choice

    Yes, you may snap on couple of mediocre boring sets which provide stealth radius and steal as them same as any altmer. Don't compare it to bosmer we had for years which can steal anything from anywhere and anybody while being in few medium armor pieces. I have a bosmer PVE tank/PVP brawler who was able to steal something when the mood is right, who was able to pass all mazzatun skips without invisibility potions and in heavy armor etc. Now it is all gone and bosmer was pigeonholed to anti-nightblade interceptor role and usage of suboptimal sets.


    Wow did Mazzatun last night with an Argonian that could do all the skips without invis potions. Ive done it on a breton, and altmer and dunmer and nord, and imperial before the changes. All of them did all the skips with not potions and no passives.
    Every class can steal stuff, sure you may have to be slightly more careful.

    I still think people are making WAY too much out of these racial changes.
    None of you are going to change my mind.

    Give all the feed back you want. They know all about the whingin and crying and they still did not change it.
    Its live and its probably not going to change. So learn to live with it or race change all your characters or continue to whine and cry to no avail.

    My load in is done and I am going to go play the game and have fun instead of beat my head against a brick wall in a silent room.

    Done with this stupid thread. Have a nice day!

    Finally they’re gone.

    I'm gonna get all weepy.
    Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty.
    Stealth is to Thieves as Magicka is to Mages
  • Jeremy
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    FrancisCrawford wrote: »
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    Incidentally, if you're wanting to make any character stealthy, my recomendation would be either Night Mother's Embrace (the Night Mother drop set, not the crafted one), and either Darkstride, Night Terror (for reduced detection radius), or Night's Silence (for full movement in stealth).

    Did you seriously think that somebody who makes as much of a fuss about stealthiness as I do didn't know that?

    I've been playing the character for years wearing Night Terror and Night's Silence. I've been collecting Night Mother's Embrace since it was a heavy set, but it's just taking up bank space;I don't want to use both it and Night Terror, since I don't want to make my character a vampire, and hence do what him to have Night's Silence. Of course I have a lot of it stashed away now, since who hasn't farmed Deshaan dropped sets at some point? The original plan was to make a second stealthy character wearing it, but as much as I liked the Thieves Guild the first time, I haven't yet felt like repeating the quests. Besides, one of the big things I use sneaking for is generic mats farming (yes, I know there are other ways to do it), and having enough skill points for that, for thieving and for combat ... well, it's a lot of skill points.

    I sympathize.

    But it sounds like it's time to become a kitty cat.
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    max_only wrote: »
    Jeremy wrote: »
    FrancisCrawford wrote: »
    starkerealm wrote: »
    Incidentally, if you're wanting to make any character stealthy, my recomendation would be either Night Mother's Embrace (the Night Mother drop set, not the crafted one), and either Darkstride, Night Terror (for reduced detection radius), or Night's Silence (for full movement in stealth).

    Did you seriously think that somebody who makes as much of a fuss about stealthiness as I do didn't know that?

    I've been playing the character for years wearing Night Terror and Night's Silence. I've been collecting Night Mother's Embrace since it was a heavy set, but it's just taking up bank space;I don't want to use both it and Night Terror, since I don't want to make my character a vampire, and hence do what him to have Night's Silence. Of course I have a lot of it stashed away now, since who hasn't farmed Deshaan dropped sets at some point? The original plan was to make a second stealthy character wearing it, but as much as I liked the Thieves Guild the first time, I haven't yet felt like repeating the quests. Besides, one of the big things I use sneaking for is generic mats farming (yes, I know there are other ways to do it), and having enough skill points for that, for thieving and for combat ... well, it's a lot of skill points.

    I sympathize.

    But it sounds like it's time to become a kitty cat.

    No thank you. In fact I wish stealth had been given to more races. Argonian Shadowscales and Dunmer Morag Tong should have always had this same reduced detection passive. More choices only helps, it never hurts.

    This. I don't think any of us are that selfish with this passive. I can easily see more races with a bonus to stealth.
  • Ratzkifal
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    max_only wrote: »
    Jeremy wrote: »
    FrancisCrawford wrote: »
    starkerealm wrote: »
    Incidentally, if you're wanting to make any character stealthy, my recomendation would be either Night Mother's Embrace (the Night Mother drop set, not the crafted one), and either Darkstride, Night Terror (for reduced detection radius), or Night's Silence (for full movement in stealth).

    Did you seriously think that somebody who makes as much of a fuss about stealthiness as I do didn't know that?

    I've been playing the character for years wearing Night Terror and Night's Silence. I've been collecting Night Mother's Embrace since it was a heavy set, but it's just taking up bank space;I don't want to use both it and Night Terror, since I don't want to make my character a vampire, and hence do what him to have Night's Silence. Of course I have a lot of it stashed away now, since who hasn't farmed Deshaan dropped sets at some point? The original plan was to make a second stealthy character wearing it, but as much as I liked the Thieves Guild the first time, I haven't yet felt like repeating the quests. Besides, one of the big things I use sneaking for is generic mats farming (yes, I know there are other ways to do it), and having enough skill points for that, for thieving and for combat ... well, it's a lot of skill points.

    I sympathize.

    But it sounds like it's time to become a kitty cat.

    No thank you. In fact I wish stealth had been given to more races. Argonian Shadowscales and Dunmer Morag Tong should have always had this same reduced detection passive. More choices only helps, it never hurts.

    Yeah, honestly I don't see why Bosmer and Khajiit were the only ones to have them in the first place.
    This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.
  • thedude33
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    The open letter has been closed and returned to the sender.
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