ZOS! What happens to MagNB?

Datthaw

I use calu and spinner with 1 kena 1 domi in my gank blade. Just don't have anyone breathe at you.

VioletVience

Chubarov_S wrote: »

DK-best survivability and CC

stam - yes
mag - only cc, when ZOS nerf ward its hard to surv vs 2+ good stamboys

Chubarov_S wrote: »

NB-the best collector of flowers in Cyro? Or "the fastest quests in the Imperial city"?

You can play pve at least, magdk almost trash in both activities beginning with Murkmire

Iskiab

VioletVience wrote: »

You can play pve at least, magdk almost trash in both activities beginning with Murkmire

What are you smoking, mDK is one of the if not the strongest class in pve and pvp right now.

brandonv516

Datthaw wrote: »

I use calu and spinner with 1 kena 1 domi in my gank blade. Just don't have anyone breathe at you.

Mine is exactly the same except 2 piece is Pirate Skeleton. With that set I can be sneezed on more than you'd expect!

The issue is that every time I try to trade out Caluurions with something else offensive, it feels like I'm throwing bubble wrap at my enemies.

Iskiab

I agree yes, that’s why I’ve stuck with full healer with my NB. Soul Siphon being non-reflectable would be a bit much, but crippling grasp should not be able to be reflected.

brandonv516

Iskiab wrote: »

I agree yes, that’s why I’ve stuck with full healer with my NB. Soul Siphon being non-reflectable would be a bit much, but crippling grasp should not be able to be reflected.

Crippling is a fair request. If it was made non-reflectable, the DoT would still damage a DK but they can counter the root with Wings.

Datthaw

The one and only thing I want is a class snare removal ability. Put it in double take or refreshing path.

VioletVience

Iskiab wrote: »

What are you smoking, mDK is one of the if not the strongest class in pve and pvp right now.

On consoles may be but on PC mDK completly useless in PvE as DD in trials. Stamblade and magblade still overperform all other classes. In pvp good stam dk, templar, sorc, nb make mDK useless and there is no reason to play magDK because stam classes do many things better.

Datthaw

VioletVience wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

What are you smoking, mDK is one of the if not the strongest class in pve and pvp right now.

On consoles may be but on PC mDK completly useless in PvE as DD in trials. Stamblade and magblade still overperform all other classes. In pvp good stam dk, templar, sorc, nb make mDK useless and there is no reason to play magDK because stam classes do many things better.

Ok I mean you can make that case for any mag spec. Stam just flat out outperforms mag classes. They have moblility, more dodge roll, More block, 1 negate doesn't *** them over, more access to heavy armor damage sets. Stam as a whole are over preforming when compared to mag.

MAGDK though is flat out one of the best pvp specs. If you don't think so then maybe stop fighting the fotm dks and go find a real one.

Iskiab

VioletVience wrote: »

On consoles may be but on PC mDK completly useless in PvE as DD in trials. Stamblade and magblade still overperform all other classes. In pvp good stam dk, templar, sorc, nb make mDK useless and there is no reason to play magDK because stam classes do many things better.

Really? Guildy of mine plays magdk. Parses mid 50s and I’ve never seen him lose a duel. I’m on PC. Then again, I don’t duel much, but he’s the one I use to test if my build has enough survivability to pvp with as a healer. No one really duels him much actually, they know they won’t win.

Datthaw

Iskiab wrote: »

VioletVience wrote: »

On consoles may be but on PC mDK completly useless in PvE as DD in trials. Stamblade and magblade still overperform all other classes. In pvp good stam dk, templar, sorc, nb make mDK useless and there is no reason to play magDK because stam classes do many things better.

Really? Guildy of mine plays magdk. Parses mid 50s and I’ve never seen him lose a duel. I’m on PC. Then again, I don’t duel much, but he’s the one I use to test if my build has enough survivability to pvp with as a healer. No one really duels him much actually, they know they won’t win.

Lol I have a magdk buddy like that. It's his best class and he plays a monster of a magdk. He's one of those super aggressive light armor magdks who seem to always have you in a cc and always behind you procing whip like a boss...yeah he's given my magnb a ton of dirt naps

Kewpie

VioletVience wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

What are you smoking, mDK is one of the if not the strongest class in pve and pvp right now.

On consoles may be but on PC mDK completly useless in PvE as DD in trials. Stamblade and magblade still overperform all other classes. In pvp good stam dk, templar, sorc, nb make mDK useless and there is no reason to play magDK because stam classes do many things better.

Im playing with gamepad on PC, and for today my magdk is the best for PVP over other classes in Magicka.(have all 5 classes 50lvl and geared) Just wear 5 heavy armor and learn how 2 play it

Unfadingsilence

Chubarov_S wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

...nah nothing wrong with my magic NB

https://youtu.be/t6tTl8wU4QE

https://youtu.be/HC_MKcOau44

This is a situational build, besides it does not work against good players. Everyone knows that in the crowd I'm standing in the block.

I have killed great players with this magic NB tho

Unfadingsilence

Datthaw wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

...nah nothing wrong with my magic NB

https://youtu.be/t6tTl8wU4QE

https://youtu.be/HC_MKcOau44

Lol yeah we know I'm sure everyone in the thread can make a bomb blade. BUT try to do anything else.

But like OP said what happened to magic NB and nothing at all since I'm playing what class in the videos?? Yep that's right I'm playing a magic NB

technohic

I tried going magblade for a bit after not using it for a few months. Seems like strife doesn't heal for much at all any more. Both morphs seem underwhelming. Id rather just give up using it as a damage morph to have a decent HOT without having to go resto for a mediocre one but the healing morph is less heals than the damage one in order to heal another player for next to nothing? And the damage one, well I might as well use a destro ability over that,

Datthaw

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

...nah nothing wrong with my magic NB

https://youtu.be/t6tTl8wU4QE

https://youtu.be/HC_MKcOau44

Lol yeah we know I'm sure everyone in the thread can make a bomb blade. BUT try to do anything else.

But like OP said what happened to magic NB and nothing at all since I'm playing what class in the videos?? Yep that's right I'm playing a magic NB

I play magnb all the time still. But nothing works as well anymore and the class has trouble. I'm sure alot of people would disagree but imo magnb is the worst class in cyro atm.

ScruffyWhiskers

Datthaw wrote: »

It's similar to when people say "no my calu blade...." like we know you can still 1shot gank. But I would like to not be a 1 tri.....2 trick pony.

Edit: especially one that relies on a *** proc set

I understand what you are saying but I refuse to be ashamed of using Caluurians. It took like 2 years to get something that was melee magick proc burst. I remember being so envious of all the stam proc sets like viper. I think I even tried viper before the great magicka and stamina sundering patch. Before the battle spirit defuff was raised to 50% you could do the business without proc sets. Now you can forget about it without the stam blade tools. Concealed + Cripple +Soul Harvest and some light attack cancels will not get it done in the current environment. Had a couple of people last night whispering me that I was trash for using a proc set. Oh well. /rant

Iskiab

technohic wrote: »

Id rather just give up using it as a damage morph to have a decent HOT without having to go resto for a mediocre one but the healing morph is less heals than the damage one in order to heal another player for next to nothing? And the damage one, well I might as well use a destro ability over that,

Soul siphon is terrible, high magicka cost and low healing. The healing is tied to how much damage you do, and the answer is not a lot. People block and wear heavy armour.

When I tried it the healing was just as much as mutagen, where mutagen has double the duration and a secondary effect.

I preferred crushing shock with either the prisoner or Asylum staff, and being a cloak blade. Then the issue became 0 self healing. That’s when I gave up mNB dps.

Emmagoldman

With the changes to shields, everyone was focused on magsorcs. Yet magnb have in only one shield. I called it!

Also agree that bomb blades are 1 trick ponies and really only work on pug groups

Datthaw

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

It's similar to when people say "no my calu blade...." like we know you can still 1shot gank. But I would like to not be a 1 tri.....2 trick pony.

Edit: especially one that relies on a *** proc set

I understand what you are saying but I refuse to be ashamed of using Caluurians. It took like 2 years to get something that was melee magick proc burst. I remember being so envious of all the stam proc sets like viper. I think I even tried viper before the great magicka and stamina sundering patch. Before the battle spirit defuff was raised to 50% you could do the business without proc sets. Now you can forget about it without the stam blade tools. Concealed + Cripple +Soul Harvest and some light attack cancels will not get it done in the current environment. Had a couple of people last night whispering me that I was trash for using a proc set. Oh well. /rant

I'm not hating on calu too hard. I just don't like having it tied to our class being successful.

Edit, btw I will run builds with calu myself.

Kewpie

Does anybody tried Magblade in 5 heavy armor pieces?

Datthaw

Kewpie wrote: »

Does anybody tried Magblade in 5 heavy armor pieces?

I have tried alot of heavy builds and found one that actually works well in bgs group play. In cyro the build gets left behind and zerged down though. The problem I find with heavy is you have trouble getting enough damage. Mag classes don't have as much access to heavy armor damage sets as stam.

Iskiab

For sure, if you’re doing damage you need to wear light for the penetration imo.

Kewpie

Datthaw wrote: »

Kewpie wrote: »

Does anybody tried Magblade in 5 heavy armor pieces?

I have tried alot of heavy builds and found one that actually works well in bgs group play. In cyro the build gets left behind and zerged down though. The problem I find with heavy is you have trouble getting enough damage. Mag classes don't have as much access to heavy armor damage sets as stam.

I have magdk in 5 heavy, and its really good, you dont need much dmg you need to survive, when your opponent cant survive
Cyro is not the way where you should test builds, cause zergs destroy everyone and everything except dodging rolling running ***
What about BGs? Have you tried rattlecage?

Datthaw

Kewpie wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Kewpie wrote: »

Does anybody tried Magblade in 5 heavy armor pieces?

I have tried alot of heavy builds and found one that actually works well in bgs group play. In cyro the build gets left behind and zerged down though. The problem I find with heavy is you have trouble getting enough damage. Mag classes don't have as much access to heavy armor damage sets as stam.

I have magdk in 5 heavy, and its really good, you dont need much dmg you need to survive, when your opponent cant survive
Cyro is not the way where you should test builds, cause zergs destroy everyone and everything except dodging rolling running ***
What about BGs? Have you tried rattlecage?

I really dislike rattlecage. As an offensive heavy set it just is very lackluster. You dont get and stats besides damage and the 5th trait is next to worthless. Plus the damage it provides is low because you're missing so much pen. Imo you're better off pairing spinners with a heavy set if you want to deal damage.

For bgs though I'll let you know the build I run and really, really enjoy.

5 reactive body all tri glyphs
5 lich on back bar
2 skoria
Master lightning
DD poison front bar.
Tri food and apprentice mundus

This build the damage from this build is based around dots your poison and lightning g heaviesto proc skoria and keep presure. Use the standard cc, bow, ult combo for the big burst. It works well on bgs because its a closed map and more of a "brawling" style of pvp.

In cyro trying to kite zergs it just doesn't work. You want to be snared in this build which is counter intuitive for cyro playstyle.

hesobad

I agree 100%. on my magblade I'm kinda forced into running Mighty Chudan or 5 light fortified brass or stack enough mag recovery to stay in cloak / shade teleport all the time. I don't take my magblade in BGs or Cyrodill anymore, its just not good enough when you compare it to other classes. My magblade is only used to Solo Imperial City bosses now. Really sad

Lucky28

the only class abilities i'm using on my MagNB are: Siphioning attacks, Cripple, Merciless and cloak. pretty much everything else is underperforming and not worth a slot.

brandonv516

hesobad wrote: »

I agree 100%. on my magblade I'm kinda forced into running Mighty Chudan or 5 light fortified brass or stack enough mag recovery to stay in cloak / shade teleport all the time. I don't take my magblade in BGs or Cyrodill anymore, its just not good enough when you compare it to other classes. My magblade is only used to Solo Imperial City bosses now. Really sad

Mighty Chudan is redundant on Magblade. You should use enough Shadow skills to keep the uptime on Major Ward/Resolve near 100%.

Kewpie

Datthaw wrote: »

Kewpie wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Kewpie wrote: »

Does anybody tried Magblade in 5 heavy armor pieces?

I have tried alot of heavy builds and found one that actually works well in bgs group play. In cyro the build gets left behind and zerged down though. The problem I find with heavy is you have trouble getting enough damage. Mag classes don't have as much access to heavy armor damage sets as stam.

I have magdk in 5 heavy, and its really good, you dont need much dmg you need to survive, when your opponent cant survive
Cyro is not the way where you should test builds, cause zergs destroy everyone and everything except dodging rolling running ***
What about BGs? Have you tried rattlecage?

I really dislike rattlecage. As an offensive heavy set it just is very lackluster. You dont get and stats besides damage and the 5th trait is next to worthless. Plus the damage it provides is low because you're missing so much pen. Imo you're better off pairing spinners with a heavy set if you want to deal damage.

For bgs though I'll let you know the build I run and really, really enjoy.

5 reactive body all tri glyphs
5 lich on back bar
2 skoria
Master lightning
DD poison front bar.
Tri food and apprentice mundus

This build the damage from this build is based around dots your poison and lightning g heaviesto proc skoria and keep presure. Use the standard cc, bow, ult combo for the big burst. It works well on bgs because its a closed map and more of a "brawling" style of pvp.

In cyro trying to kite zergs it just doesn't work. You want to be snared in this build which is counter intuitive for cyro playstyle.

Ok found that heavy armor mitigation nowadays works really bad... So then I'll try something with light armor for my magnb.

Lloydmp

I’m having a great time on MagNB in BG’s.

5L/1H/1M
Torugs destro - front bar (Oblivion enchant)
Lich resto - back bar (WD enchant)
2 willpower jewellery
Skoria monster set.

Just pick your battles, cloak and change direction. Always keep moving and always have a shade up near by.