What changes should be made to reflective scales to make the ability balanced?

ak_pvp

Solariken wrote: »

Change the reflect mechanic.

Base morph:
Reduces the damage of all incoming projectiles by 50% for the duration. (All CC and status effects go through)

Dragon Fire Scale:
Each time you are hit with a projectile, launch a fireball at the attacker (high damage)

Reflective Plate:
Adds root/snare immunity and reflects 1 projectile per target for the duration.

Hey, that's a pretty good idea for the base morph. Becomes more a tanky+universal buff. IMO slightly change the morphs if it works like that.
DFS: Grants the snare immunity, and something like 100 stamina for every projectile absorbed. Rename to absorptive scale
Reflective plate: Reflects 2 projectiles per target for the duration.
So you have a more offensive/defensive split.

John_Falstaff

Do not change the ability, even if it is an unbalanced.

Totally really not at all biased poll. ^^

Undefwun

Do not change the ability, even if it is an unbalanced.

No reading other comments.

OP has no idea.

I have a stamDK and a magblade too.

I have never been scared to take on a DK on my magblade.

In a vacuum wings may sound Over powered. In actual combat not so much.
6s, 4 projectiles, whatever comes first and expensive.

Go play a DK then try this bs again

Priyasekarssk

Other.

Illuvatarr wrote: »

The only change that needs to be made to it is it needs to not reflect ultimate abilities. Only ultimates should counter ultimates. The main issue I do have with it is it encourages more people to use cheese proc sets. It should reflect those.

ZOs balance is full corrupts. Welcome to world of unkillable DKs. If you have 4 DKs in your opponents just quit.

Undefwun

Do not change the ability, even if it is an unbalanced.

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

ZOs balance is full corrupts. Welcome to world of unkillable DKs. If you have 4 DKs in your opponents just quit.

Go play one or don’t talk.

What class do you play. Happy to point out any bs/cheese.

Aurielle

Other.

Biased poll is biased.

Half the problem with these nerf threads is that most people only play one or two classes. Play them all, and you’ll have a better idea of which skills truly are overperforming. Wings is not one of them.

Illuvatarr

Aurielle wrote: »

Biased poll is biased.

Half the problem with these nerf threads is that most people only play one or two classes. Play them all, and you’ll have a better idea of which skills truly are overperforming. Wings is not one of them.

Wings itself overperforms. It makes up for a class that is forced to use it and fossilize due to poor design. Dks don’t have major expedition, an execute or mobility. If you can’t fight one, run away. They won’t catch you. The problem with dks is they have access to stam weapon abilities and other skill lines. That isn’t a problem with DK skill lines or those individual skill lines. It is a problem with poor design in how they sync up.

Royaji

Illuvatarr wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Biased poll is biased.

Half the problem with these nerf threads is that most people only play one or two classes. Play them all, and you’ll have a better idea of which skills truly are overperforming. Wings is not one of them.

Wings itself overperforms. It makes up for a class that is forced to use it and fossilize due to poor design. Dks don’t have major expedition, an execute or mobility. If you can’t fight one, run away. They won’t catch you. The problem with dks is they have access to stam weapon abilities and other skill lines. That isn’t a problem with DK skill lines or those individual skill lines. It is a problem with poor design in how they sync up.

Show me a stamDK who can sustain wings and we will talk. Every little piece of magicka stamDK has goes to Fragmented Shiled to maintain enough healing and not die from all incoming damage. Stamina weapons do not allow DK to become as mobile as a Sorc or Nightblade to kite the damage.

Trinity_Is_My_Name

Do not change the ability, even if it is an unbalanced.

How about "Do Not Change At All".

Undefwun

Do not change the ability, even if it is an unbalanced.

Illuvatarr wrote: »

Wings itself overperforms. It makes up for a class that is forced to use it and fossilize due to poor design. Dks don’t have major expedition, an execute or mobility. If you can’t fight one, run away. They won’t catch you. The problem with dks is they have access to stam weapon abilities and other skill lines. That isn’t a problem with DK skill lines or those individual skill lines. It is a problem with poor design in how they sync up.

Have you played a DK?

In a bg you got a stamden throwing their bs combo in your face, a sorc spamming at you and of course a bowtard doing their bs. All while trying to waddle out of a perma frost.

Go stand in that and tell me wings over performs.

paulsimonps

Other.

Biased poll is biased, it's fine, L2P issue.

kojou

Other.

NBrookus wrote: »

jcm2606 wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

The only change that needs to be made to it is it needs to not reflect ultimate abilities. Only ultimates should counter ultimates. The main issue I do have with it is it encourages more people to use cheese proc sets. It should reflect those.

Does it reflect ultimates? Last I checked, it only absorbed them, and even then that was a tough call.

They reflect Toxic Barrage and Overload.

Remember when it used to reflect Meteor... good times.

Gilvoth

Do not change the ability, even if it is an unbalanced.

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Illuvatarr

Undefwun wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

Wings itself overperforms. It makes up for a class that is forced to use it and fossilize due to poor design. Dks don’t have major expedition, an execute or mobility. If you can’t fight one, run away. They won’t catch you. The problem with dks is they have access to stam weapon abilities and other skill lines. That isn’t a problem with DK skill lines or those individual skill lines. It is a problem with poor design in how they sync up.

Have you played a DK?

In a bg you got a stamden throwing their bs combo in your face, a sorc spamming at you and of course a bowtard doing their bs. All while trying to waddle out of a perma frost.

Go stand in that and tell me wings over performs.

Reread my post. Supporting wings and dks on this one as much as I don’t want to do that as a Mag Sorc.

robpr

Do not change the ability, even if it is an unbalanced.

If you want to remove DKs wings then remove Magden permasnare and permastun, NB cloak and Sorcs lingering bs execute. And Snipe.

joseayalac

Do not change the ability, even if it is an unbalanced.

The way OP puts it, you have to go with bow on both bars or flame/frost staff on both bars for wings to totally counter you.

If you go so narrow on your build's toolkit then you should expect some builds to totally counter your playstyle.

Leave the wings as they are and L2P.

Emma_Overload

Wings should DEFLECT, not reflect. This would maintain the defensive aspect of the ability without shutting down ranged casters completely.

Kadoin

I don't even slot the skill on my DKs. Waste of an action.

Almost every time rolling would be better when outnumbered, shielding/healing would be better when close to death (or obsidian shard that also stuns and is ranged + gives stamina and time to chain and sprint to the attacker AND does damage), covering the ground with a skill like ice wall/caltrops for gankers that can't finish me off with bow and need to get into melee range despite me not using reflect, or closing the distance/using a ranged interrupt on snipers.

I honestly haven't seen how its as broken as I hear on the forums when I encounter it, even on mag NB.

Absorb magic is a more annoying problem for me on mag builds considering its duration, the fact that its a % hp heal and heals an insane amount on a "healer" from a something as weak as light attack and it can be spammed, counters almost all mag/elemental damage in the game, and cost less than wings.

Just wait until stam NBs realize they can't really be killed by mag users with absorb magic + either morph of cloak and a lingering potion and still gank as effectively. Wait until every stam warden is doing it. Wings will seem pretty trivial then...

But maybe it's just me.

_Ahala_

Do not change the ability, even if it is an unbalanced.

Instead of nerfing “over performing” abilities how about we buff underperforming ones... theirs more than one way to balance... nerfing skills lowers the bar of what’s balanced for everyone and incessantly nerfing class defining skills in particular makes for a bitter end game community

Daedric_NB_187

Other.

The OP literally made this thread after making another whine thread about being killed by a DK because of wings. Yes. Biased poll is biased.

Leeched

stop trying to destroy Snipe Wings
stop trying to destroy our ranged melee playstyle every single day making request threads to destroy archer dk playstyle.
nothing wrong with what we have, its been here since 5+ years.
this is really childish and selfish.

Aurielle

Other.

Rilis wrote: »

stop trying to destroy Snipe Wings
stop trying to destroy our ranged melee playstyle every single day making request threads to destroy archer dk playstyle.
nothing wrong with what we have, its been here since 5+ years.
this is really childish and selfish.

I laugh every time I see this meme.

bardx86

TheYKcid wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

heres a hint tho

1
they cant reflect the bow ult turret

2
count to 3 after they flap wing, and the reflect is over (unless they spam it)

3
when they are near death, it wont matter if they spam wings, just unload all u got on them because their health will go down faster then yours, they'll die.

Let's be real you're not killing anyone with or without wings.

Bahahahaha

Sleep724

Do not change the ability, even if it is an unbalanced.

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

The only change that needs to be made to it is it needs to not reflect ultimate abilities. Only ultimates should counter ultimates. The main issue I do have with it is it encourages more people to use cheese proc sets. It should reflect those.

ZOs balance is full corrupts. Welcome to world of unkillable DKs. If you have 4 DKs in your opponents just quit.

WAT

Priyasekarssk

Other.

Undefwun wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

ZOs balance is full corrupts. Welcome to world of unkillable DKs. If you have 4 DKs in your opponents just quit.

Go play one or don’t talk.

What class do you play. Happy to point out any bs/cheese.

DK requires nerf . Give class change token. Its shameless OP class. If you cannot play without cheese class dont bark. DK is super cheese class. Everyone knows it. Atleast NB needs some skill and killabe. DK needs nothing except spamming skills. All will die by itself.
Easiest class to clear VMA and flawless conqueror with little or no skill go no further its DK. Just spam wings everything ranged kill by itself. One guy even soloed fang lair in hard mode veteran lol with DK lol. Another running VMA naked with flawless conqueror. All are in youtube . Its such shameless OP class. Even then ZOs balance team doesnt care about the game and its become laughing stock.

Wings and warden shimmering shield needs nerf. Otherwise everyone will play warden or DK. Almost 90 percent of cyrodil population is DK or stamden. BGs 4 Good DKs or wardens you win always. No matter what opponents are excluding DKs and Wardens.

John_Falstaff

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

DK requires nerf . Give class change token. Its shameless OP class. If you cannot play without cheese class dont bark. DK is super cheese class. Everyone knows it. Atleast NB needs some skill and killabe. DK needs nothing except spamming skills. All will die by itself.
Easiest class to clear VMA and flawless conqueror with little or no skill go no further its DK. Just spam wings everything ranged kill by itself. One guy even soloed fang lair in hard mode veteran lol with DK lol. Its such shameless OP class.

Shall we, maybe, learn to elucidate whether we're speaking about stamDK or magDK? Since when stamDK had enough magicka to spam wings? Even magDK can't sustain spamming them all the time (and if you can't just make four light attacks to make wings continuously drop and force DK to recast them again, draining own resources - then sorry, but you shouldn't play ESO at all).

Zacuel

Do not change the ability, even if it is an unbalanced.

Needs buff. Remove all fall damage and triple (at least) jump height.

What?

It's okay to be biased here.

jcm2606

Other.

Zacuel wrote: »

Needs buff. Remove all fall damage and triple (at least) jump height.

What?

It's okay to be biased here.

Throw in some gliding since, y'know, wings slows your descent, and you have a deal.

Sharee

Other.

No changes needed.

Undefwun

Do not change the ability, even if it is an unbalanced.

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

DK requires nerf . Give class change token. Its shameless OP class. If you cannot play without cheese class dont bark. DK is super cheese class. Everyone knows it. Atleast NB needs some skill and killabe. DK needs nothing except spamming skills. All will die by itself.
Easiest class to clear VMA and flawless conqueror with little or no skill go no further its DK. Just spam wings everything ranged kill by itself. One guy even soloed fang lair in hard mode veteran lol with DK lol. Another running VMA naked with flawless conqueror. All are in youtube . Its such shameless OP class. Even then ZOs balance team doesnt care about the game and its become laughing stock.

Wings and warden shimmering shield needs nerf. Otherwise everyone will play warden or DK. Almost 90 percent of cyrodil population is DK or stamden. BGs 4 Good DKs or wardens you win always. No matter what opponents are excluding DKs and Wardens.

a) Still didn't tell me your class and build/play style. Worried I will point out how much cheese there is?
b) Are you actually serious or trolling?

I know stam and magblades that have cleared vMA in 25-28 minutes. I know one in particular that has cleared vMA naked and also with only light attacks. They are good players.

90% of all of Cyrodiil? 73.6% of all statistics are made up.
Please quote where ZOS released these figures. Else I am straight up calling you a liar. Lying to push an agenda.

The last time DKs were close to OP was in like 1.6, when you the the almost un-killable, ulti generating, endlessly bat spamming DKs standing in zergs.

No DK (especially stam DKs) can endlessly spam wings, especially under fire. Just a fact. I have just under 12k magicka and just over 500 magicka recovery. Reflective Plate is 3.5k. I'll let you do the math how often I can spam it in and out of combat. Especially if I spam my other OP ability Fossilize at 2.7k magicka.

ONE guy who knows his class exceptionally well solo'd vFL HM? So the other thousands of DKs ranging from bad to good need a nerf because ONE guy in the game is amazing at the class.

I know a whole bunch (not just ONE) of great stamblade bow gankers.. can we remove bows from the game now?
Oh templars heal all the damage I do, can we remove their heals now?

Buddy you're the laughing stock. This is a clear L2P issue.

PS I play my DK less time than I spend fighting against them. I just don't like liars and people that can't be bothered learning and have zero right to call for nerfs.