ZOS: Can this stupid PUG "trick" get a fix?

SeaUnicorn

I actually use group finder for specific dungeons with sets I need, very annoying when people jump into Grotto instead....

sno_flah_ke

Didn't know i could do that, thanks for the tip

Surak73

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

Do you know how tiring it is whenever you get into a group through the Activity Finder only for the leader to say 'lemme p0rt to fungal grotto 1, brah' because he/she/it/whatever refuses to do the actual the dungeon they get? You STILL get the rewards from the Activity Finder even though they manually port to an easier "dungeon" (Fungal Grotto 1 is just an oversized delve, seriously).

Wait wait... You can do this, really?... Oh well, please forgive me, but now I have a couple of things to do, bye...

Thalidar

Maybe I'm lucky, but yet to have a DLC dungeon on any of my CP toons. Tbh at least 50% of them have probably been fungal grotto or BC1.

I even made up three new toons (all tanks) just for the event. No wonder everyone's so happy I came along.

Tbh I can kind of understand why people would do it if they play dps. I pretty much instantly queue with my tanks and healers, and knowing how to do the easy fix on the queue issue (as no dps) has meant I thankfully haven't had any of the issues a lot of people have experienced.

But events half way through anyway and theirs no way that they'll patch it again.

max_only

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I agree SirAndy and

This is a video game.


For all we know this could be a feature not a bug! Just like animation cancelling........

Linaleah

you know... after healing through every goshdarn avoidable mechanic of Bloodroot forge and then having to unsuccessfully heal through every goshdarn mechanic in march of sacrifices... I'm tempted to just start doing this trick myself. because ffs. only reason I was able to manage bloodroot forge was becasue my templar can compensate for a LOT of nonsense. my sorc who CAN heal through people actualy doing what they are supposed to or my dragonknight or magblade? they cannot heal stupid like my templar or warden can. at least not in DLC dungeons, they can still manage vanilla dungeons.

god, i so understand why people do this trick, I really do and the problem is that both fungal grotto 1 AND march of sacrifices are IN THE SAME GOSHDARN RANDOM FINDER AND GIVE THE SAME REWARDS. I cannot possibly blame people for trying to save themselves some frustration. and right now, primary reason people are running dungeons? is TO GET BOXES.

grkkll

MasterSpatula wrote: »

People want the rewards without taking the risk they’re being rewarded for. Disappointing.

Not really, if you run max characters and have limits on your time there's nothing wrong with switching dungeons as long as the other 3 in the group agree. I did scale and mazz as part of my pug day but also skipped to fg1 on one character.

efster

I do hate being forced to do a FG I, but this is something that enables people without a lot of experience who don't have a guild or have a lot of dungeon-running friends in ESO to get quick randoms done when they just want to do a quick random. I'm not sure if it's intended or not, but if it's not, it should be. Because it's better if people still have the option to complete a random normal (or vet) if they get ported into Scalecaller with a light armour tank and a bow/bow healer.

If you don't want to do a FGI so badly, just requeue, what's the big deal?

Arciris

Linaleah wrote: »

Arciris wrote: »

- Event condition: complete a Random Dungeon to get a Mystery Box, 1 per day per character.

- Random Dungeon condition: 20 hours timer.

- Add Group Finder broken (for me, it feels a lot worse than before maintenance as I can not get into any dungeon at all).

- Put Mounts, Houses and Pets as rewards.

Perfect recipe for people trying to find ways to do it as fast as possible through multiple characters.

Everything will be back to normal in a few days. No need to stress about harmless "exploits". There are many worse things to fix first.

I just hope next time they tie the Dungeon Event to Undaunted Pledges. Once per day, per character but no timers (just a daily reset). Nicer event with no stress.

only if they make pledges available at lvl 10. excluding newer players from the event is no bueno

Oh that's true, forgot about that ... well, just for the event, they could drop the level thing

Edit: or just drop the stupid timer once and for all. It really is annoying to keep track of that thing in multiple chars

Korinth

How about ZoS stop tying events to the DF to begin with, or at least using DF with specified dungeons and not random. DLC dungeons take twice as long and if you are with a group of low CP level PUGs you may not even finish.... yet someone else legitimately gets into Spindleclutch 1 and blazes thru it in 15 min.

Especially with it being broke as hell the last few days..and still having issues today after the "fix".

Korinth

Thalidar wrote: »

Maybe I'm lucky, but yet to have a DLC dungeon on any of my CP toons. Tbh at least 50% of them have probably been fungal grotto or BC1.

I even made up three new toons (all tanks) just for the event. No wonder everyone's so happy I came along.

Tbh I can kind of understand why people would do it if they play dps. I pretty much instantly queue with my tanks and healers, and knowing how to do the easy fix on the queue issue (as no dps) has meant I thankfully haven't had any of the issues a lot of people have experienced.

But events half way through anyway and theirs no way that they'll patch it again.

You are lucky....last night I got Moonhunter, then Scalecaller. This morning got moonhunter...and leader ported us to FG I

SydneyGrey

Seems to me that if ZOS cared about this and didn't want people to do it, they would have said something during last year's event, or any time in the past year.
I haven't done it and don't plan to. Just sayin'.
The fact they obviously didn't care if people did it last year says to me that they don't care. So lighten up, people.

disintegr8

DLC dungeons should not be included in random pool, so if people have found a way to get the rewards without re-queuing, good on them.

There is no reason not to complete any normal non-dlc dungeon you get put into though.

Korinth

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Seems to me that if ZOS cared about this and didn't want people to do it, they would have said something during last year's event, or any time in the past year.
I haven't done it and don't plan to. Just sayin'.
The fact they obviously didn't care if people did it last year says to me that they don't care. So lighten up, people.

Oh you mean like ZoS took the lesson from last years disaster of a DF event and made sure it was fixed for this year....har har har.... (orc laugh)

Agree with the lighten up... who cares how it gets done. If you are masochist then do Scalecaller peak on Vet if you want the challenge...or just do a Randomm on Vet....

Tan9oSuccka

If a crappy DLC, I just leave. Not spending an hour with ill equipped and skilled Randoms.

I hate DLC dungeons so much even normal. I wish I could exclude them.

max_only

IF the group finder tool works and we all get into the dungeon
THEN you ask the team if doing an easier one for the event is okay
IF they all agree
THEN port to Maj’s pledge or FG1 or something. It’s very easy.



IF the group finder tool works and we all get into the dungeon
THEN you ask the team if doing an easier one for the event is okay
IF they disagree
THEN each player has to make the choice to stay or to leave and get the penalty. If all but you want the easier dungeon then “thems the breaks” that happens even outside of this event. It’s very easy.



No need for all this “exploit” consternation and bluster. End of thread.

Taleof2Cities

disintegr8 wrote: »

DLC dungeons should not be included in random pool, so if people have found a way to get the rewards without re-queuing, good on them.

There is no reason not to complete any normal non-dlc dungeon you get put into though.

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

If a crappy DLC, I just leave. Not spending an hour with ill equipped and skilled Randoms.

I hate DLC dungeons so much even normal. I wish I could exclude them.

Neither of these answers are correct.

If you don't want to be subjected to the combination of pugs and a random DLC dungeon, run a pre-made group.

Don't use the dungeon finder itself to find a group ... and don't change the game to cater to your playstyle.

Tan9oSuccka

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

DLC dungeons should not be included in random pool, so if people have found a way to get the rewards without re-queuing, good on them.

There is no reason not to complete any normal non-dlc dungeon you get put into though.

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

If a crappy DLC, I just leave. Not spending an hour with ill equipped and skilled Randoms.

I hate DLC dungeons so much even normal. I wish I could exclude them.

Neither of these answers are correct.

If you don't want to be subjected to the combination of pugs and a random DLC dungeon, run a pre-made group.

Don't use the dungeon finder itself to find a group ... and don't change the game to cater to your playstyle.

I would love to do a premade. My schedule rarely aligns with three friends.

Agree to disagree I guess. I’ll take the penalty and try again.

CrimsonGTX

I don't complain much about anything but I agree with you OP. I'm mainly a PvE player at max CP player 1k+ on XB1 and 520+ on my re-rolled pc account. This game is already on the easy side of things, so it's kinda embarrassing to see lol. I shared my experience last night in another thread about a similar situation.

elijafire

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

Do you know how tiring it is whenever you get into a group through the Activity Finder only for the leader to say 'lemme p0rt to fungal grotto 1, brah' because he/she/it/whatever refuses to do the actual the dungeon they get? You STILL get the rewards from the Activity Finder even though they manually port to an easier "dungeon" (Fungal Grotto 1 is just an oversized delve, seriously). That isn't a 'random dungeon through the activity finder' in my book. Can that get fixed, please? Pretty please.

I'm sure people will disagree because this easy peasy lemon squeezy cheesy "trick" is too much of a convenience for them.

EDIT: Lo and behold! People who like to exploit stuff already came in to defend this. I'm done.

Just get 3 friends/guildies to run with, problem solved.

gabriebe

I think a more satisfying way to do this would have been to make a an account-wide Undaunted checklist, where you need to run every dungeon at least once, with some bonus boxes for achievements like completing all the DC zones, EP zones, AD zones, DLC package, etc.

Teeba_Shei

The alternative is someone with 15 characters queues up and gets placed in a DLC dungeon so they just log out. Then they can queue up on another character and try not to get a DLC dungeon. People just don't want to waste their time in these DLC dungeons with PUGS.

jircris11

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

I didn't know that was a thing. Sounds awesome. Maybe I'll start doing that.

Oh, you're one of those type of people.

Not everyone can run every dungeon. This crap event I rather have it over with quick

ruengdet2515

Remove dun finder system and just let player form group 4 pl, choose dun, choose mode and start

Mr_Walker

Korinth wrote: »

Thalidar wrote: »

Maybe I'm lucky, but yet to have a DLC dungeon on any of my CP toons. Tbh at least 50% of them have probably been fungal grotto or BC1.

I even made up three new toons (all tanks) just for the event. No wonder everyone's so happy I came along.

Tbh I can kind of understand why people would do it if they play dps. I pretty much instantly queue with my tanks and healers, and knowing how to do the easy fix on the queue issue (as no dps) has meant I thankfully haven't had any of the issues a lot of people have experienced.

But events half way through anyway and theirs no way that they'll patch it again.

You are lucky....last night I got Moonhunter, then Scalecaller. This morning got moonhunter...and leader ported us to FG I

Admit it, there was a quiet sigh of relief, yes?

linlilia

The issue is in the this event I got in 8 dungeons all of my CP toons got Moonhunter or Peak or Fang Lair. They are fun dungeons but with pugs, most of the tanks are fake tanks, and the healers questionable, it is not worth the struggle to run a DLC dungeon. Yes with my 2 flushed out max characters it could be done, but that is only if the rest of the team is flushed out which most arent. The random finder in normal times, I would try running or leave group, but right now I regroup and I get the same thing.

I think part of it is that very few people are queueing for normal dungeons, we just want to do a random and you have a very high rate of getting hard DLCs if you are CPd because all the baby characters are clogging the easy normal dungeons.

Is it an exploit? Sure, but the dungeon finder random is too vast at this point to get clearable dungeons. And the wait for DPS is too long. I have babies and it is better to fake tank than wait an hour for them to be terrible at what they are doing (theoretical dpsing) anyway, since people are used to fake tanks. (I would group queue with them with someone that can carry but that was broken the last 2 days so sorry random groups.)

What I would like to see are 3 different random settings, dlc/non-dlc/pledges. Also I would like for them to tell you what queue number you are like they do in pvp. Especially for DPS, give us an idea of how many people are waiting.

It is amazing the number of non pledge dungeons I get in my random finder when I queue. And I run a true healer and tank and struggle for decent groups, because many DPS are just as bad at dpsing vs not. My healer and tank are having to take near 50% of the damage in many dungeons now.

Sylvermynx

Eh.... I think y'all are missing why ZOS doesn't put in a toggle for "DLC dungeons OFF".

Because no one would ever run them except the "elite".... So how many is that per day? 20k toons out of 2M?

Jaraal

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Eh.... I think y'all are missing why ZOS doesn't put in a toggle for "DLC dungeons OFF".

Because no one would ever run them except the "elite".... So how many is that per day? 20k toons out of 2M?

But the toggle would enable folks with low level characters or alts the opportunity to do easier content, rather than not doing any Undaunted at all for fear of failing at the harder dungeons, or even worse, slowing down the "elite" folks who actually want seasoned vets to make their DLC experience better. Not to mention, the servers would run a lot smoother with the majority of folks running less computationally intensive old world content, rather than the newer DLC graphics.

This isn't really a problem 51 weeks out of the year, when you can check boxes and do your preferred dungeons. But somebody thought it would be a good idea to have an event where easy and hard gives out the same rewards. Is anybody actually surprised that folks want to do the minimum required? Especially when it's a nightmare to even do the event successfully.

Sylvermynx

Jaraal wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Eh.... I think y'all are missing why ZOS doesn't put in a toggle for "DLC dungeons OFF".

Because no one would ever run them except the "elite".... So how many is that per day? 20k toons out of 2M?

But the toggle would enable folks with low level characters or alts the opportunity to do easier content, rather than not doing any Undaunted at all for fear of failing at the harder dungeons, or even worse, slowing down the "elite" folks who actually want seasoned vets to make their DLC experience better. Not to mention, the servers would run a lot smoother with the majority of folks running less computationally intensive old world content, rather than the newer DLC graphics.

This isn't really a problem 51 weeks out of the year, when you can check boxes and do your preferred dungeons. But somebody thought it would be a good idea to have an event where easy and hard gives out the same rewards. Is anybody actually surprised that folks want to do the minimum required? Especially when it's a nightmare to even do the event successfully.

Also true. I'm not surprised....

Facefister

I don't want a 45 minute session of MoS or SP because your average random guy is as bright as your stale meatloaf from past week.