Templars PvP - Detailed Guide, Suggestions, Advice, etc. - Elsweyr

maxjapank

Syiccal wrote: »

Anyone using reflective light over inner light any more. I just can't see the point when the dot is terrible. I'd rather have the max mag, small amount of recovery and crit at all times. Especially as half the time it gets dodged any way and I dont the crit buff.

I use Reflective light. The initial hit is direct dmg. Can hit 3 people. A good spamable with light attacks. The snare is good. Sometimes. And I believe the skill was changed where you get the crit on activation. So it doesn’t matter if it’s dodged. But only lasts 10 secs, so you need to remember to refresh the buff or use the other one for longer duration.

Iskiab

Syiccal wrote: »

I'd like to use dark flare but cant find space and the cast time is horrible

Dark flare is good but very situational. If you’re already engaged with someone it’s not very good, but if someone isn’t facing you it’s great. Go to a practice dummy and try this combo from 15m away:

Light - dark flare - toppling - (crescent) sweeps

If you’re maybe 15m away what will happen is dark flare and toppling will land at the same time with maybe 1 sweeps and light will proc. It’s a good burst combo.

The other place it’s good is against warden groups or DK perma blockers in BGs. Warden groups are tough to take down without some defile, and those perma blocking DK’s rely on high health recovery/healing for their schtick. Just back up vs the DK, they're waiting for someone to not pay attention to their health before counter attacking with a leap and bursting someone down.

Just be careful using it, I've noticed as soon as a stamden or DK sees dark flare you have their full attention.

Kartalin

I was doing some battlegrounds last night and randomly I decided to try a different setup, my Torug's Pact, Spinners, and Bloodspawn with Willpower resto build, and it worked pretty well. It was also much to my chagrin afterwards that I realized I was in 4-2-1 armor weights instead of 5-1-1 lol. Regardless, even if the opponents may have included some potatoes, I was pretty happy with the result:



It's really more of a single target ranged damage build with some healing, so probably not a competitive BG build overall.

EtTuBrutus

Syiccal wrote: »

I'd like to use dark flare but cant find space and the cast time is horrible

Syiccal wrote: »

Anyone using reflective light over inner light any more. I just can't see the point when the dot is terrible. I'd rather have the max mag, small amount of recovery and crit at all times. Especially as half the time it gets dodged any way and I dont the crit buff.

Spell power pots will solve all your problems.

Iskiab

Kartalin wrote: »

I was doing some battlegrounds last night and randomly I decided to try a different setup, my Torug's Pact, Spinners, and Bloodspawn with Willpower resto build, and it worked pretty well. It was also much to my chagrin afterwards that I realized I was in 4-2-1 armor weights instead of 5-1-1 lol. Regardless, even if the opponents may have included some potatoes, I was pretty happy with the result:



It's really more of a single target ranged damage build with some healing, so probably not a competitive BG build overall.

Back bar resto is way better than S&B for BGs. Looks good, you’ll have to play more to see how it holds up.

P.S. - turn on @names!

Kartalin

I generally prefer resto back bar partially so I can do a channeled heavy if I need resources. I feel like it's a little more reliable than a flame staff heavy that could easily be dodged, plus it has some other good stuff b/c of passives.

Iskiab

Kartalin wrote: »

I generally prefer resto back bar partially so I can do a channeled heavy if I need resources. I feel like it's a little more reliable than a flame staff heavy that could easily be dodged, plus it has some other good stuff b/c of passives.

I agree, destro passives blow. Most of them only effect destro abilities, the only place it’s really good is PvE because you get resources when you kill something (best passive) so is great on trash. In comparison resto passives are great, especially for heavies: proc’s weapon damage enchant, more resources and major mending.

Only light attacks, heavy attacks, and weapon abilities proc enchants. I see people with a weapon damage enchant on S&B in their build designs but that’s fantasy. In reality you need a light, heavy, wall of elements or blade cloak to get even close to good uptime (last two abilities can proc on your front bar from a back bar ability).

UppGRAYxDD

With all the lag this patch, I switched up my setup to a mostly AOE toolkit. At least now I can kinda know I’m doing dmg in between the 5 sec delays...
5/2 light StormKnight/overwhelming front/potato SnB back/BS...

EtTuBrutus

Iskiab wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

I generally prefer resto back bar partially so I can do a channeled heavy if I need resources. I feel like it's a little more reliable than a flame staff heavy that could easily be dodged, plus it has some other good stuff b/c of passives.

I agree, destro passives blow. Most of them only effect destro abilities, the only place it’s really good is PvE because you get resources when you kill something (best passive) so is great on trash. In comparison resto passives are great, especially for heavies: proc’s weapon damage enchant, more resources and major mending.

Only light attacks, heavy attacks, and weapon abilities proc enchants. I see people with a weapon damage enchant on S&B in their build designs but that’s fantasy. In reality you need a light, heavy, wall of elements or blade cloak to get even close to good uptime (last two abilities can proc on your front bar from a back bar ability).

Elemental force and ancient knowledge don't blow. Y resto heavy when you can just sustain and burst with elemental drain?

2 of restos passive that are worth anything revolve around casting a nearly 3 second channel. Both are also purely defensive and are likely only used due to low magicka and not to gain mending.

Restos good, but for templar id take block casting with snb and or ice staff any day.

Don't listen to me though, I've essentially quit. Just bored on my lunch break.

Iskiab

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

I generally prefer resto back bar partially so I can do a channeled heavy if I need resources. I feel like it's a little more reliable than a flame staff heavy that could easily be dodged, plus it has some other good stuff b/c of passives.

I agree, destro passives blow. Most of them only effect destro abilities, the only place it’s really good is PvE because you get resources when you kill something (best passive) so is great on trash. In comparison resto passives are great, especially for heavies: proc’s weapon damage enchant, more resources and major mending.

Only light attacks, heavy attacks, and weapon abilities proc enchants. I see people with a weapon damage enchant on S&B in their build designs but that’s fantasy. In reality you need a light, heavy, wall of elements or blade cloak to get even close to good uptime (last two abilities can proc on your front bar from a back bar ability).

Elemental force and ancient knowledge don't blow. Y resto heavy when you can just sustain and burst with elemental drain?

2 of restos passive that are worth anything revolve around casting a nearly 3 second channel. Both are also purely defensive and are likely only used due to low magicka and not to gain mending.

Restos good, but for templar id take block casting with snb and or ice staff any day.

Don't listen to me though, I've essentially quit. Just bored on my lunch break.

I meant more comparatively. Ancient force is decent (the status effect one) but it’s moreso good in pve. Ancient knowledge is okay but it will only ever boost half your abilities, plus there’s diminishing returns on damage done modifiers.

That’s why 2H works so well, the sword bonus buffs all your attacks plus higher base spell damage > Ancient Force for pvp. I mean, at base it’s an about 300 sp difference, I’ve tried it but I like ranged light attacks.

EtTuBrutus

Iskiab wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

I generally prefer resto back bar partially so I can do a channeled heavy if I need resources. I feel like it's a little more reliable than a flame staff heavy that could easily be dodged, plus it has some other good stuff b/c of passives.

I agree, destro passives blow. Most of them only effect destro abilities, the only place it’s really good is PvE because you get resources when you kill something (best passive) so is great on trash. In comparison resto passives are great, especially for heavies: proc’s weapon damage enchant, more resources and major mending.

Only light attacks, heavy attacks, and weapon abilities proc enchants. I see people with a weapon damage enchant on S&B in their build designs but that’s fantasy. In reality you need a light, heavy, wall of elements or blade cloak to get even close to good uptime (last two abilities can proc on your front bar from a back bar ability).

Elemental force and ancient knowledge don't blow. Y resto heavy when you can just sustain and burst with elemental drain?

2 of restos passive that are worth anything revolve around casting a nearly 3 second channel. Both are also purely defensive and are likely only used due to low magicka and not to gain mending.

Restos good, but for templar id take block casting with snb and or ice staff any day.

Don't listen to me though, I've essentially quit. Just bored on my lunch break.

I meant more comparatively. Ancient force is decent (the status effect one) but it’s moreso good in pve. Ancient knowledge is okay but it will only ever boost half your abilities, plus there’s diminishing returns on damage done modifiers.

That’s why 2H works so well, the sword bonus buffs all your attacks plus higher base spell damage > Ancient Force for pvp. I mean, at base it’s an about 300 sp difference, I’ve tried it but I like ranged light attacks.

And ask the passives in resto are even more restrictive... they only impact healing and 2 are rooted to one move that most people only use when low on magicka. In both cases it doesn't make them bad.

Commandment

Real guide:

Press one button and you win.

MaxJrFTW

Commandment wrote: »

Real guide:

Press one button and you win.

Please tell me more. I too wish to bask in this enlightenment.

Trancestor

Commandment wrote: »

Real guide:

Press one button and you win.

If a magplar wins against you just by spamming jabs thats when you should realize lots of learning to play needs to be done on your part.

Neoauspex

Commandment wrote: »

Real guide:

Press one button and you win.

He's right: nerf Sorc.

ZOS_RogerJ

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Syiccal

Let's talk gear and builds for bit, share some ideas.
Glass cannons, Balanced tanks, let's hear it - PVP

Syiccal

For me I like playing with a balanced pvp build that doesnt rely on healers bring around and I can jump into BG or open world without changing set ups

Destyran

Syiccal wrote: »

For me I like playing with a balanced pvp build that doesnt rely on healers bring around and I can jump into BG or open world without changing set ups

Bloodspawn BTB shackle 5/1/1 lady mundus disastrously bloody Mara lightning ice staff high elf

Sanguinor2

2 Patches old build, havent tried anything with nma yet, valkyn, btb, Swift, light staff front, s&b back.

Iskiab

I’m still running NMA and BTB with my main attack being sweeps but want to try a pure ranged spec. I’m finding burst is up and I’m feeling too squishy to brawl.

Syiccal

Iskiab wrote: »

I’m still running NMA and BTB with my main attack being sweeps but want to try a pure ranged spec. I’m finding burst is up and I’m feeling too squishy to brawl.

Probs because jabs hits like wet noodle against any stam class at min..cough (brp duel weild)

Sanguinor2

Iskiab wrote: »

I’m still running NMA and BTB with my main attack being sweeps but want to try a pure ranged spec. I’m finding burst is up and I’m feeling too squishy to brawl.

During the dot patch I ran a vAS Inferno ranged build, dunno if it is good These days anymore tho.

Iskiab

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I’m still running NMA and BTB with my main attack being sweeps but want to try a pure ranged spec. I’m finding burst is up and I’m feeling too squishy to brawl.

During the dot patch I ran a vAS Inferno ranged build, dunno if it is good These days anymore tho.

I don’t have the vAS inferno, only the normal. Think it’s strong enough?

I liked it a lot better when stam stuck to one build and had no gap closer. I kept seeing a med stamsorc who ran shuffle and and crit rush in BGs who seriously F’ed me up. Bad enough I want to wait and see how the stam meta settles so I can spec to take advantage of it.

I’d go for my burst combo and he/she’d break free and outburst me so badly I was left feeling my spec is garbage.

I was thinking with the MMR reset I’d rock people, instead there was so much build variety I did really poorly.

Sanguinor2

Iskiab wrote: »

I don’t have the vAS inferno, only the normal. Think it’s strong enough?

I liked it a lot better when stam stuck to one build and had no gap closer. I kept seeing a med stamsorc who ran shuffle and and crit rush in BGs who seriously F’ed me up. Bad enough I want to wait and see how the stam meta settles so I can spec to take advantage of it.

I’d go for my burst combo and he/she’d break free and outburst me so badly I was left feeling my spec is garbage.

I was thinking with the MMR reset I’d rock people, instead there was so much build variety I did really poorly.

Imo only a perfected AS Inferno is worth running. I never played with an Imperfect one tho so I cant tell you how much worse it is.

Kartalin

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I don’t have the vAS inferno, only the normal. Think it’s strong enough?

I liked it a lot better when stam stuck to one build and had no gap closer. I kept seeing a med stamsorc who ran shuffle and and crit rush in BGs who seriously F’ed me up. Bad enough I want to wait and see how the stam meta settles so I can spec to take advantage of it.

I’d go for my burst combo and he/she’d break free and outburst me so badly I was left feeling my spec is garbage.

I was thinking with the MMR reset I’d rock people, instead there was so much build variety I did really poorly.

Imo only a perfected AS Inferno is worth running. I never played with an Imperfect one tho so I cant tell you how much worse it is.

I've tried the imperfect version, and the requirement is too different from the perfected AS destro to be useful I feel.

Hotdog_23

Cleansing ritual thought.

What if Ritual of retribution morph would also cleanse a one negative effect every 6 seconds same for extended ritual. I know on a stamplar if can get expensive quick to purge effects and since the warden gets if free with the Betty Netch.

I don’t think this would be game breaking and a nice help in PVP after all the skill is called cleansing ritual it just makes since that it would continue to cleanse and not only when cast.

StarOfElyon

Syiccal wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I’m still running NMA and BTB with my main attack being sweeps but want to try a pure ranged spec. I’m finding burst is up and I’m feeling too squishy to brawl.

Probs because jabs hits like wet noodle against any stam class at min..cough (brp duel weild)

Yeah, this is what I came to ask about. I was wondering if anyone else had this feeling. Jabs always hit me hard but even with 3000 SD unbuffed I still feel like my puncturing sweeps are getting severely outmatched by stam melee.

technohic

I switch between mag and stam often and I can tell you right now; having major evasion is a huge boon because most the nasty ultimates and combos are AOE. My magplar I really have to anticipate damage and block cast ER and HTD. I mean grant it, thats universal; but its really not any harder to have major evasion which really hurts templar damage and alternate block and roll dodge to avoid letting either tax your resources too much as stam to also counter single target

Syiccal

Yea I'm considering farming gossamer for that reason