Templars PvP - Detailed Guide, Suggestions, Advice, etc. - Elsweyr

miteba

I used prisoners some time ago with my woodelf stam Nightblade... But i'm really not a fan of speedy builds.
I tend to not runaway never, im for the type of "lets get the bull by his horns".

Even with my magSorc i dont have patience to streak away.. i use it to cc and kill or be killed.

Minno

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Why can’t you fight and run at the same time? That’s how people end up dying when they chase people down. You can theory craft enough damage into your build to use speed and mobility to your advantage. It’s like when people said woodelf roll passive was useless when it’s one of the better kiting passives in the game. Nothing like dodge roll turn around dawn breakers because no one expects it , they think you’re running away.

But you don’t have to listen to me , players like jack daniells does a really good job explaining this type of playstyle. I don’t think it’s for everyone but it’s definitely viable.

its like running into/out of players to force clip LOS. It's why you see duels that look like two bees dancing to show where the floers are lol

EtTuBrutus

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Why can’t you fight and run at the same time? That’s how people end up dying when they chase people down. You can theory craft enough damage into your build to use speed and mobility to your advantage. It’s like when people said woodelf roll passive was useless when it’s one of the better kiting passives in the game. Nothing like dodge roll turn around dawn breakers because no one expects it , they think you’re running away.

But you don’t have to listen to me , players like jack daniells does a really good job explaining this type of playstyle. I don’t think it’s for everyone but it’s definitely viable.

Can't fight and sprint. As in sprinting locks out all skills into you stop. That's what i mean. Hiting to isolate is most definitely an exciting way to play. But it requires burst. These 2 sets give nothing for that.

Woodelf passive is good bc of bow passives stacking with it. It in itself is not enough, you need the major expedition.

Really mean run and gun build for cp is masters bow back bar, truth jewelry, chest, legs and spriggans 2h, waist, gloves, boots. Spec into exploiter and tactician. Absolutely wonderful fun.

CatchMeTrolling

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Why can’t you fight and run at the same time? That’s how people end up dying when they chase people down. You can theory craft enough damage into your build to use speed and mobility to your advantage. It’s like when people said woodelf roll passive was useless when it’s one of the better kiting passives in the game. Nothing like dodge roll turn around dawn breakers because no one expects it , they think you’re running away.

But you don’t have to listen to me , players like jack daniells does a really good job explaining this type of playstyle. I don’t think it’s for everyone but it’s definitely viable.

Can't fight and sprint. As in sprinting locks out all skills into you stop. That's what i mean. Hiting to isolate is most definitely an exciting way to play. But it requires burst. These 2 sets give nothing for that.

Woodelf passive is good bc of bow passives stacking with it. It in itself is not enough, you need the major expedition.

Really mean run and gun build for cp is masters bow back bar, truth jewelry, chest, legs and spriggans 2h, waist, gloves, boots. Spec into exploiter and tactician. Absolutely wonderful fun.

What sets ? Only set I mentioned was cowards. I have enough weapon damage and penetration to compliment the play style. 11,225 without minor fracture, wood elf passive and 2h maul passive included. Wood elf gives you 1500 penetration, that’s what I’m talking about not the speed.

While you’re locked out of your skills is true , the same thing can be said about mist form yet people use it too. It’s all about setting up kills really.

CatchMeTrolling

Minno wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Why can’t you fight and run at the same time? That’s how people end up dying when they chase people down. You can theory craft enough damage into your build to use speed and mobility to your advantage. It’s like when people said woodelf roll passive was useless when it’s one of the better kiting passives in the game. Nothing like dodge roll turn around dawn breakers because no one expects it , they think you’re running away.

But you don’t have to listen to me , players like jack daniells does a really good job explaining this type of playstyle. I don’t think it’s for everyone but it’s definitely viable.

its like running into/out of players to force clip LOS. It's why you see duels that look like two bees dancing to show where the floers are lol

Yeah I really think it also has a little to do with knowing the mechanics of the game, mobility completely negates certain abilities. And once it gets laggy speed is hard to keep up with, the game can’t handle it, nor can a person using a controller.

EtTuBrutus

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Why can’t you fight and run at the same time? That’s how people end up dying when they chase people down. You can theory craft enough damage into your build to use speed and mobility to your advantage. It’s like when people said woodelf roll passive was useless when it’s one of the better kiting passives in the game. Nothing like dodge roll turn around dawn breakers because no one expects it , they think you’re running away.

But you don’t have to listen to me , players like jack daniells does a really good job explaining this type of playstyle. I don’t think it’s for everyone but it’s definitely viable.

Can't fight and sprint. As in sprinting locks out all skills into you stop. That's what i mean. Hiting to isolate is most definitely an exciting way to play. But it requires burst. These 2 sets give nothing for that.

Woodelf passive is good bc of bow passives stacking with it. It in itself is not enough, you need the major expedition.

Really mean run and gun build for cp is masters bow back bar, truth jewelry, chest, legs and spriggans 2h, waist, gloves, boots. Spec into exploiter and tactician. Absolutely wonderful fun.

What sets ? Only set I mentioned was cowards. I have enough weapon damage and penetration to compliment the play style. 11,225 without minor fracture, wood elf passive and 2h maul passive included. Wood elf gives you 1500 penetration, that’s what I’m talking about not the speed.

While you’re locked out of your skills is true , the same thing can be said about mist form yet people use it too. It’s all about setting up kills really.

I thought the conversation was using prisoners with cowards. That set up wouldnt kill a single 1 off my characters unless i made a mistake, but in sure it could get away from most of not all of them lol.

CatchMeTrolling

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Why can’t you fight and run at the same time? That’s how people end up dying when they chase people down. You can theory craft enough damage into your build to use speed and mobility to your advantage. It’s like when people said woodelf roll passive was useless when it’s one of the better kiting passives in the game. Nothing like dodge roll turn around dawn breakers because no one expects it , they think you’re running away.

But you don’t have to listen to me , players like jack daniells does a really good job explaining this type of playstyle. I don’t think it’s for everyone but it’s definitely viable.

Can't fight and sprint. As in sprinting locks out all skills into you stop. That's what i mean. Hiting to isolate is most definitely an exciting way to play. But it requires burst. These 2 sets give nothing for that.

Woodelf passive is good bc of bow passives stacking with it. It in itself is not enough, you need the major expedition.

Really mean run and gun build for cp is masters bow back bar, truth jewelry, chest, legs and spriggans 2h, waist, gloves, boots. Spec into exploiter and tactician. Absolutely wonderful fun.

What sets ? Only set I mentioned was cowards. I have enough weapon damage and penetration to compliment the play style. 11,225 without minor fracture, wood elf passive and 2h maul passive included. Wood elf gives you 1500 penetration, that’s what I’m talking about not the speed.

While you’re locked out of your skills is true , the same thing can be said about mist form yet people use it too. It’s all about setting up kills really.

I thought the conversation was using prisoners with cowards. That set up wouldnt kill a single 1 off my characters unless i made a mistake, but in sure it could get away from most of not all of them lol.

Someone mentioned that but I was just commenting on the speed playstyle. I wouldn’t use prisoners and cowards on anything but a stam sorc. Doesn’t fit stamplar. On a stam sorc you can invest more into damage but you’d just be a glass cannon.

technohic

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Why can’t you fight and run at the same time? That’s how people end up dying when they chase people down. You can theory craft enough damage into your build to use speed and mobility to your advantage. It’s like when people said woodelf roll passive was useless when it’s one of the better kiting passives in the game. Nothing like dodge roll turn around dawn breakers because no one expects it , they think you’re running away.

But you don’t have to listen to me , players like jack daniells does a really good job explaining this type of playstyle. I don’t think it’s for everyone but it’s definitely viable.

Can't fight and sprint. As in sprinting locks out all skills into you stop. That's what i mean. Hiting to isolate is most definitely an exciting way to play. But it requires burst. These 2 sets give nothing for that.

Woodelf passive is good bc of bow passives stacking with it. It in itself is not enough, you need the major expedition.

Really mean run and gun build for cp is masters bow back bar, truth jewelry, chest, legs and spriggans 2h, waist, gloves, boots. Spec into exploiter and tactician. Absolutely wonderful fun.

What sets ? Only set I mentioned was cowards. I have enough weapon damage and penetration to compliment the play style. 11,225 without minor fracture, wood elf passive and 2h maul passive included. Wood elf gives you 1500 penetration, that’s what I’m talking about not the speed.

While you’re locked out of your skills is true , the same thing can be said about mist form yet people use it too. It’s all about setting up kills really.

I thought the conversation was using prisoners with cowards. That set up wouldnt kill a single 1 off my characters unless i made a mistake, but in sure it could get away from most of not all of them lol.

This pretty much. I've seen jack daniels in action. He has serious damage that I don't think you get with 2 sustain/defense sets. He sprints in burst and rolls a lot but I dont think he's even using cowards but could be wrong

Firstmep

Jack Daniels doesnt use cowards, the problem with cowards is that you only get the movement speed when sprinting.

miteba

If he rolls a lot probably could be using Senche + Truth with exploiter passive
I used them for burst too, but the sustain isnt easy

CatchMeTrolling

You guys are confusing what I’m saying, I only mentioned him because he also plays a speed playstyle. You also get major protection too. Jack doesn’t really even use a heal so that’s a red flag for most people, if no one seen him play they would probably think he was a scrub because he does his own thing.

Edit: https://youtu.be/iizdMXnf6fQ this is what he’s running, most people wouldn’t be able to pull it off.

Minno

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

You guys are confusing what I’m saying, I only mentioned him because he also plays a speed playstyle. You also get major protection too. Jack doesn’t really even use a heal so that’s a red flag for most people, if no one seen him play they would probably think he was a scrub because he does his own thing.

Edit: https://youtu.be/iizdMXnf6fQ this is what he’s running, most people wouldn’t be able to pull it off.

that sword singer is a sleeper set. 450 WD that only applies to your 2h skills. Sounds SUPER specific till you realize it is 50 WD more than automaton, can be farmed in a world zone, and buffs your rally heal lol. Going to have fun with that set

CatchMeTrolling

Minno wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

You guys are confusing what I’m saying, I only mentioned him because he also plays a speed playstyle. You also get major protection too. Jack doesn’t really even use a heal so that’s a red flag for most people, if no one seen him play they would probably think he was a scrub because he does his own thing.

Edit: https://youtu.be/iizdMXnf6fQ this is what he’s running, most people wouldn’t be able to pull it off.

that sword singer is a sleeper set. 450 WD that only applies to your 2h skills. Sounds SUPER specific till you realize it is 50 WD more than automaton, can be farmed in a world zone, and buffs your rally heal lol. Going to have fun with that set

Yeah it does work with rally so it helps but that build is pretty squishy and costly. I do like builds like this though because it teaches players how to be more calculated with their approach.

EtTuBrutus

He's a unique player, that thier ghost build?

CatchMeTrolling

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

He's a unique player, that thier ghost build?

Yeah it is.

On another note I got my first open world 1v3 today on my new stamplar build.

technohic

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

You guys are confusing what I’m saying, I only mentioned him because he also plays a speed playstyle. You also get major protection too. Jack doesn’t really even use a heal so that’s a red flag for most people, if no one seen him play they would probably think he was a scrub because he does his own thing.

Edit: https://youtu.be/iizdMXnf6fQ this is what he’s running, most people wouldn’t be able to pull it off.

The very end of the video, he runs through javelin>onslaught>executioner in a ridiculous sequence of animation canceling. I keep replaying it watching the hot keys all flash... I don't think most players will get away with that setup.

EtTuBrutus

technohic wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

You guys are confusing what I’m saying, I only mentioned him because he also plays a speed playstyle. You also get major protection too. Jack doesn’t really even use a heal so that’s a red flag for most people, if no one seen him play they would probably think he was a scrub because he does his own thing.

Edit: https://youtu.be/iizdMXnf6fQ this is what he’s running, most people wouldn’t be able to pull it off.

The very end of the video, he runs through javelin>onslaught>executioner in a ridiculous sequence of animation canceling. I keep replaying it watching the hot keys all flash... I don't think most players will get away with that setup.

The best players use competitive controllers and keyboards (macros). There's no way to trace it bc of the nature of global cooldowns for basic, skill, and ultimate attacks.

Datolite

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

You guys are confusing what I’m saying, I only mentioned him because he also plays a speed playstyle. You also get major protection too. Jack doesn’t really even use a heal so that’s a red flag for most people, if no one seen him play they would probably think he was a scrub because he does his own thing.

Edit: https://youtu.be/iizdMXnf6fQ this is what he’s running, most people wouldn’t be able to pull it off.

The very end of the video, he runs through javelin>onslaught>executioner in a ridiculous sequence of animation canceling. I keep replaying it watching the hot keys all flash... I don't think most players will get away with that setup.

The best players use competitive controllers and keyboards (macros). There's no way to trace it bc of the nature of global cooldowns for basic, skill, and ultimate attacks.

Some things never change. It's not realistic to compare oneself against macro users.

Also the "best" players don't usually need macros...

Minno

Datolite wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

You guys are confusing what I’m saying, I only mentioned him because he also plays a speed playstyle. You also get major protection too. Jack doesn’t really even use a heal so that’s a red flag for most people, if no one seen him play they would probably think he was a scrub because he does his own thing.

Edit: https://youtu.be/iizdMXnf6fQ this is what he’s running, most people wouldn’t be able to pull it off.

The very end of the video, he runs through javelin>onslaught>executioner in a ridiculous sequence of animation canceling. I keep replaying it watching the hot keys all flash... I don't think most players will get away with that setup.

The best players use competitive controllers and keyboards (macros). There's no way to trace it bc of the nature of global cooldowns for basic, skill, and ultimate attacks.

Some things never change. It's not realistic to compare oneself against macro users.

Also the "best" players don't usually need macros...

i think hes being sarcastic on the macro part. He's saying its the same thing as a keybind, which is the best thing to do for some of the mechanics.

I have dodge roll binded to a button on my mouse and its the best thing ever for controlling sustain but controlling accidental dodges. And I only changed it this year after years of being stubborn.

EtTuBrutus

Minno wrote: »

Datolite wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

You guys are confusing what I’m saying, I only mentioned him because he also plays a speed playstyle. You also get major protection too. Jack doesn’t really even use a heal so that’s a red flag for most people, if no one seen him play they would probably think he was a scrub because he does his own thing.

Edit: https://youtu.be/iizdMXnf6fQ this is what he’s running, most people wouldn’t be able to pull it off.

The very end of the video, he runs through javelin>onslaught>executioner in a ridiculous sequence of animation canceling. I keep replaying it watching the hot keys all flash... I don't think most players will get away with that setup.

The best players use competitive controllers and keyboards (macros). There's no way to trace it bc of the nature of global cooldowns for basic, skill, and ultimate attacks.

Some things never change. It's not realistic to compare oneself against macro users.

Also the "best" players don't usually need macros...

i think hes being sarcastic on the macro part. He's saying its the same thing as a keybind, which is the best thing to do for some of the mechanics.

I have dodge roll binded to a button on my mouse and its the best thing ever for controlling sustain but controlling accidental dodges. And I only changed it this year after years of being stubborn.

No im saying on ps4 at least, there are pro controllers u can program to macro. You can make, for instance, your paddle 1 (additional button not on ps4 standard controllers) light attack, use skill mapped on triangle and ultimate and it does them simultaneously. Theres an attachment u can buy for 30 dollars to do this. It's everywhere.

Mrsinister2

With the food nerfs are you guys still going to run witchmothers at all?

I was thinking maybe bright throats with bloody double Mara but I think I'd still have to lose a damage glyph for regen depending on the sets.

Just curious of anyone else's ideas to get away from witch mothers?

Akinos

Mrsinister2 wrote: »

With the food nerfs are you guys still going to run witchmothers at all?

I was thinking maybe bright throats with bloody double Mara but I think I'd still have to lose a damage glyph for regen depending on the sets.

Just curious of anyone else's ideas to get away from witch mothers?

I use ghasty eye bowls alot. Max Magicka and Regen.

Minno

Akinos wrote: »

Mrsinister2 wrote: »

With the food nerfs are you guys still going to run witchmothers at all?

I was thinking maybe bright throats with bloody double Mara but I think I'd still have to lose a damage glyph for regen depending on the sets.

Just curious of anyone else's ideas to get away from witch mothers?

I use ghasty eye bowls alot. Max Magicka and Regen.

this and lava foot are attractive now.

EtTuBrutus

I wish misrule was a drink

EtTuBrutus

What exactly are the value changes to wm and dub?

Minno

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

What exactly are the value changes to wm and dub?

i drop in the health/stam values. Related to when they changed the CP system to account for the new racials/5pc max stat sets

Waffennacht

@EtTuBrutus I know what you're talking about. Xbox has them too. Controllers with additional buttons on the back that can be programmed in the same way.

They are not cheap. I personally don't own one.

Mr_Nobody

technohic wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

You guys are confusing what I’m saying, I only mentioned him because he also plays a speed playstyle. You also get major protection too. Jack doesn’t really even use a heal so that’s a red flag for most people, if no one seen him play they would probably think he was a scrub because he does his own thing.

Edit: https://youtu.be/iizdMXnf6fQ this is what he’s running, most people wouldn’t be able to pull it off.

The very end of the video, he runs through javelin>onslaught>executioner in a ridiculous sequence of animation canceling. I keep replaying it watching the hot keys all flash... I don't think most players will get away with that setup.

exactly, what Jack does is unique. It is his playstyle and i can bet no one can repeat what he is doing. He is also not using vigor and/or other key abilities most players use.

Minno

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

You guys are confusing what I’m saying, I only mentioned him because he also plays a speed playstyle. You also get major protection too. Jack doesn’t really even use a heal so that’s a red flag for most people, if no one seen him play they would probably think he was a scrub because he does his own thing.

Edit: https://youtu.be/iizdMXnf6fQ this is what he’s running, most people wouldn’t be able to pull it off.

The very end of the video, he runs through javelin>onslaught>executioner in a ridiculous sequence of animation canceling. I keep replaying it watching the hot keys all flash... I don't think most players will get away with that setup.

exactly, what Jack does is unique. It is his playstyle and i can bet no one can repeat what he is doing. He is also not using vigor and/or other key abilities most players use.

when I think of successful animation canceling, I think of Jack.

Datolite

Spring Loaded all the way for melee.