Templars PvP - Detailed Guide, Suggestions, Advice, etc. - Elsweyr

Minno

https://youtu.be/7teuWwyC-0Y
Another vid. Getting the hang of playing around the gcd ignoring aspects of the skills I have selected. I think only thing left is to run bats backbar maybe get two more protective traits or run infused+nirn on the staff (currently using fire infused with shock enchant.)

Definitely might do nirn since I'm not light attacking enough on front bar too make use of the shock DMG; maybe should snb back with infused beserker front.

Datolite

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

That's still a problem.

500 dmg is a gonna make our break it's defensive capabilities for you?

I mean the healing still needs to be buffed to account for the 0.75 cooldown. And the DMG nerf makes no sense because it was buffed to account for that same cooldown.

They have a problem with this spell but we have no idea what they are thinking.

It'll never be as good as toppling with no min range for offense. Even if it wasn't nerfed.

Don't start saying stuff like that or they'll swing the nerf bat into the aedric spear tree.

technohic

For stamplar, I pretty much have settled on needing spriggans and Cyrodiil ward unless I want to run sword and board to get major fracture and defile. Was doing ravager and spriggans but ran into a tanky templar with earthgore that my burst window would drop him in a stun to about 30% but he'd heal right to full even without the proc.

Templars might be buffed a bit with them taking major defile from snipe, incap, and nerfing befoul CP. People will blame heavy armor but the befoul CP was what should have been nerfed last time; not uptime on defiles.

MaxJrFTW

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=146568

What do you all think? I'm not sure about the heavy armor with bow, but that's an easy fix.

Minno

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=146568

What do you all think? I'm not sure about the heavy armor with bow, but that's an easy fix.

I think that looks cool. My only worry is 4.3 htd casts; you are going to gas out hard.

Probably the better stamplar hybrids I've seen. The other would be fury heavy based. I think that's probably the meta for stamplar since you have to design yourself a way to use htd since ZoS can't be bothered to realize stamplar is messed up since they don't have a stamina based way to make use of 2/3 trees lol.

Have you played this build yet? My advice is to try it and report back.

technohic

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=146568

What do you all think? I'm not sure about the heavy armor with bow, but that's an easy fix.

It's an interesting build. When I tried something similar, I went more in magicka for spammables and used 7th to get the higher spell damage with Pelinals. I had intended ravager but it didn't proc just from switching jabs to sweeps. Truth is the right call here given the gap closer change.

Minno

#RIPplar update today!
I will update the post after we play with the goodies for about a week or two.

technohic

Minno wrote: »

#RIPplar update today!
I will update the post after we play with the goodies for about a week or two.

Going to miss major protection on empowering sweeps and I had started leveling up Undo to morph to temporal gaurd to place on my bow defensive/run away bar but half heartedly as its felt slow.

Might give the new empowering sweep with reach a try but I have a hard time seeing it take DBOS off there.

Minno

technohic wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

#RIPplar update today!
I will update the post after we play with the goodies for about a week or two.

Going to miss major protection on empowering sweeps and I had started leveling up Undo to morph to temporal gaurd to place on my bow defensive/run away bar but half heartedly as its felt slow.

Might give the new empowering sweep with reach a try but I have a hard time seeing it take DBOS off there.

yea empowering is a dead skill now. Dont ever drop DBoS for that crap. if needed, run snb ult if you need a defensive ult.

Going to test some things. but basically oiff balance on cc immune targets still happens with topping,.

Elong

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=146568

What do you all think? I'm not sure about the heavy armor with bow, but that's an easy fix.

Rally is going to be a better burst heal than HtD on that build. If you're going to hybrid you want to be using more magical skills overwise there isn't much point thanks to stam morphs. If you wanted to hybrid put on vampires bane and Jesus beam. But to be honest you're better off putting ravager on instead of pelinal and just blow people up.

technohic

Anyone know if repentance works on any of these necro corpses? Might just wander my templar over by a dolmen when I get home to find out

Minno

technohic wrote: »

Anyone know if repentance works on any of these necro corpses? Might just wander my templar over by a dolmen when I get home to find out

need to test but its been said repent doesnt work on necro generated corpses.

Jabbs_Giggity

Race Against Time (morph): This morph no longer reduces the cost of sprinting by 50% for 4 seconds. Instead, it now grants immunity to Snares and Immobilizations for 4 seconds.

From Natch Potes!!!!! They reverted it!

DeadlyRecluse

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

Race Against Time (morph): This morph no longer reduces the cost of sprinting by 50% for 4 seconds. Instead, it now grants immunity to Snares and Immobilizations for 4 seconds.

From Natch Potes!!!!! They reverted it!

Keep reading. They unreverted it in the same paragraph.

Akinos

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

Race Against Time (morph): This morph no longer reduces the cost of sprinting by 50% for 4 seconds. Instead, it now grants immunity to Snares and Immobilizations for 4 seconds.

From Natch Potes!!!!! They reverted it!

no they didn't. read under that in the patch notes.

Jabbs_Giggity

Akinos wrote: »

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

Race Against Time (morph): This morph no longer reduces the cost of sprinting by 50% for 4 seconds. Instead, it now grants immunity to Snares and Immobilizations for 4 seconds.

From Natch Potes!!!!! They reverted it!

no they didn't. read under that in the patch notes.

Ugh Damnit....I didn't get that far yet...

DeadlyRecluse

"Psijic Order
Accelerate: Increased the duration of the Major Expedition buff from this ability and its morphs to 4 seconds from 3. Note Channeled Acceleration will now last 12 seconds, rather than 9.
Race Against Time (morph): This morph no longer reduces the cost of sprinting by 50% for 4 seconds. Instead, it now grants immunity to Snares and Immobilizations for 4 seconds."

Then a couple lines further down:

"Race Against Time:
This ability no longer becomes cheaper as it ranks up.
Reduced the Snare and Immobilization immunity to 1 second from 4 seconds.
The immunity’s duration now increases as the ability ranks up, up to a maximum of 2 seconds."

They literally changed the function to 4 secs immunity, then nerfed it to 2 in the same patch.

Jabbs_Giggity

Nightblade
Assassination
Blur:
Double Take (morph): Renamed and reworked this morph.
Renamed this morph to Phantasmal Escape.
This morph no longer grants Major Expedition for 4 seconds. Instead, it grants immunity to snare and immobilizes for 2.5 to 4 seconds, based on the rank.
This morph no longer becomes cheaper as ability ranks up.

So NB has acces to Evasion and a 4s Snare Immun, but a skill behind a paywall and excessive grind....erhm I don't care anymore...ZOS nerfed the *** outta snares anyways. Doubt we'll notice.

EtTuBrutus

So is it 4 or 2 seconds. Real answers, not guesses please.

Jabbs_Giggity

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

So is it 4 or 2 seconds. Real answers, not guesses please.

It's only 2s at max rank...

EtTuBrutus

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

So is it 4 or 2 seconds. Real answers, not guesses please.

It's only 2s at max rank...

That's what the notes say. Wtf are ppl going on about then?

Jabbs_Giggity

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

So is it 4 or 2 seconds. Real answers, not guesses please.

It's only 2s at max rank...

That's what the notes say. Wtf are ppl going on about then?

When I read the Natch Potes, they originally stated 4s. Then I stopped reading, being satisfied. However, @Akinos pointed out that they also stated, a few lines down, that it was then reverted to 2s. Why would they not even proof read their own Natch Potes?!

Anyways, like I said...ZOS nerfed the *** outta snares anyways - doubt we'll notice the difference. Upside is 4s Major Expedition and still has Minor Force so I guess it's better than nothing. I had grown tired of using Mist Form and have altogether dropped Vamp already.

MaxJrFTW

Elong wrote: »

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=146568

What do you all think? I'm not sure about the heavy armor with bow, but that's an easy fix.

Rally is going to be a better burst heal than HtD on that build. If you're going to hybrid you want to be using more magical skills overwise there isn't much point thanks to stam morphs. If you wanted to hybrid put on vampires bane and Jesus beam. But to be honest you're better off putting ravager on instead of pelinal and just blow people up.

I'm not really going for a hybrid, more like a stamplar with a much needed defensive proactive ability, and a reliable weapon dmg set. Toppling charge is there for the off-balance/mobility. Honor the dead is there just for the burst heal, which is why i use Pelinal's and not a regular stam based or wep dmg set.

Ravager is not as reliable as people claim. I used it for months for both PvP and PvE. The uptime can be as low as 20-30% in PvP, 50% if you're lucky. Even in PvE once Relequen was fixed, you could only get 46-58% uptime on a dummy.

Lastly, Rally is not a reliable burst heal. I'm not even going to get deep into this one. It just isn't.

miteba

@Minno Since we already are at Elsweyr... Time to update the thread title

Can anyone confirm if they fixed the "vampire vulnerability base dmg" in Elsweyr patch? (Or if it was already fixed before)

I dont remember reading nothing about it...

Minno

miteba wrote: »

@Minno Since we already are at Elsweyr... Time to update the thread title

Can anyone confirm if they fixed the "vampire vulnerability base dmg" in Elsweyr patch? (Or if it was already fixed before)

I dont remember reading nothing about it...

lol ill update at end of the week. We are testing all vulnerabilities. WIll update once paul gets to the community on his findings.

Elong

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=146568

What do you all think? I'm not sure about the heavy armor with bow, but that's an easy fix.

Rally is going to be a better burst heal than HtD on that build. If you're going to hybrid you want to be using more magical skills overwise there isn't much point thanks to stam morphs. If you wanted to hybrid put on vampires bane and Jesus beam. But to be honest you're better off putting ravager on instead of pelinal and just blow people up.

I'm not really going for a hybrid, more like a stamplar with a much needed defensive proactive ability, and a reliable weapon dmg set. Toppling charge is there for the off-balance/mobility. Honor the dead is there just for the burst heal, which is why i use Pelinal's and not a regular stam based or wep dmg set.

Ravager is not as reliable as people claim. I used it for months for both PvP and PvE. The uptime can be as low as 20-30% in PvP, 50% if you're lucky. Even in PvE once Relequen was fixed, you could only get 46-58% uptime on a dummy.

Lastly, Rally is not a reliable burst heal. I'm not even going to get deep into this one. It just isn't.

If you have rally and vigor, you should have enough heals. Your HtD isn't going to get you out of trouble. I have played around with hybrid builds, as many on here will attest, for years. It will be a fun build to play, and that is the most important thing of course, but you won't have success against anyone but average players. I have found this out after millions of gold and hours of testing.

Toppling charge will be great to proc Truth even on a full Stamplar. I have been doing it the last couple of hours and have been having a lot of joy, combined with Ravager and fully buffed getting close to 6k weapon damage whilst having 40k resists and 1800 regen with 32k Stam. Ravager procs a hell of a lot with Jabs, perhaps you just get unlucky, or I get very lucky, but it's my go to for Stamplar.

Minno

Elong wrote: »

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=146568

What do you all think? I'm not sure about the heavy armor with bow, but that's an easy fix.

Rally is going to be a better burst heal than HtD on that build. If you're going to hybrid you want to be using more magical skills overwise there isn't much point thans to stam morphs. If you wanted to hybrid put on vampires bane and Jesus beam. But to be honest you're better off putting ravager on instead of pelinal and just blow people up.

I'm not really going for a hybrid, more like a stamplar with a much needed defensive proactive ability, and a reliable weapon dmg set. Toppling charge is there for the off-balance/mobility. Honor the dead is there just for the burst heal, which is why i use Pelinal's and not a regular stam based or wep dmg set.

Ravager is not as reliable as people claim. I used it for months for both PvP and PvE. The uptime can be as low as 20-30% in PvP, 50% if you're lucky. Even in PvE once Relequen was fixed, you could only get 46-58% uptime on a dummy.

Lastly, Rally is not a reliable burst heal. I'm not even going to get deep into this one. It just isn't.

If you have rally and vigor, you should have enough heals. Your HtD isn't going to get you out of trouble. I have played around with hybrid builds, as many on here will attest, for years. It will be a fun build to play, and that is the most important thing of course, but you won't have success against anyone but average players. I have found this out after millions of gold and hours of testing.

Toppling charge will be great to proc Truth even on a full Stamplar. I have been doing it the last couple of hours and have been having a lot of joy, combined with Ravager and fully buffed getting close to 6k weapon damage whilst having 40k resists and 1800 regen with 32k Stam. Ravager procs a hell of a lot with Jabs, perhaps you just get unlucky, or I get very lucky, but it's my go to for Stamplar.

Best part is, there off balance will apply after cc immunity is on your target

Elong

Minno wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=146568

What do you all think? I'm not sure about the heavy armor with bow, but that's an easy fix.

Rally is going to be a better burst heal than HtD on that build. If you're going to hybrid you want to be using more magical skills overwise there isn't much point thans to stam morphs. If you wanted to hybrid put on vampires bane and Jesus beam. But to be honest you're better off putting ravager on instead of pelinal and just blow people up.

I'm not really going for a hybrid, more like a stamplar with a much needed defensive proactive ability, and a reliable weapon dmg set. Toppling charge is there for the off-balance/mobility. Honor the dead is there just for the burst heal, which is why i use Pelinal's and not a regular stam based or wep dmg set.

Ravager is not as reliable as people claim. I used it for months for both PvP and PvE. The uptime can be as low as 20-30% in PvP, 50% if you're lucky. Even in PvE once Relequen was fixed, you could only get 46-58% uptime on a dummy.

Lastly, Rally is not a reliable burst heal. I'm not even going to get deep into this one. It just isn't.

If you have rally and vigor, you should have enough heals. Your HtD isn't going to get you out of trouble. I have played around with hybrid builds, as many on here will attest, for years. It will be a fun build to play, and that is the most important thing of course, but you won't have success against anyone but average players. I have found this out after millions of gold and hours of testing.

Toppling charge will be great to proc Truth even on a full Stamplar. I have been doing it the last couple of hours and have been having a lot of joy, combined with Ravager and fully buffed getting close to 6k weapon damage whilst having 40k resists and 1800 regen with 32k Stam. Ravager procs a hell of a lot with Jabs, perhaps you just get unlucky, or I get very lucky, but it's my go to for Stamplar.

Best part is, there off balance will apply after cc immunity is on your target

Yes, tested it, still putting people off balance even in their cc immunity, so just gotta use Topp charge every 10 seconds, so it's easy on the magicka, bit like how Stam DKs use Fossilize.

If I could get a Truth 2h maul or sword to drop then my back bar could be a hell of a lot more fun!

Waffennacht

@EtTuBrutus btw cranked the sensitivity to max, ty that's so much better.

EtTuBrutus

Waffennacht wrote: »

@EtTuBrutus btw cranked the sensitivity to max, ty that's so much better.

It takes some getting used to, but so worth it. You should have seen me even i reconfigured my controller so sprint and bar swap were my analog buttons. Took me a solid week to get used to since im a moron.