Templars PvP - Detailed Guide, Suggestions, Advice, etc. - Elsweyr

CatchMeTrolling

Unrelated to the class but I been meaning to say that if you meditate while a curse is on you it doesn’t go off when it should. You can delay it or stop it coming off altogether. Not sure if that’s intended.

Minno

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Unrelated to the class but I been meaning to say that if you meditate while a curse is on you it doesn’t go off when it should. You can delay it or stop it coming off altogether. Not sure if that’s intended.

definitely a bug. But since sorcs haven't been forthcoming about their recent power creep, I say don't bring it up lol.

Ariades_swe

Minno wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

@VirtualElizabeth

For a few weeks ZOS dangled a 4 sec snare/immobilize immunity in front of us with the change to Race Against Time.

They nerfed it down to 2 sec but honestly it doesn't seem like magplar will be in a bad place next patch.

not exactly true, with regards to magplar not being in a bad place. GCD and the post GCD are messed up in a way where if you dont light attack weave with jabs/jesus beam, the skills fire off faster. BUT if you do, the GCD changes actually results in no change.

Additionally, cast time/channels have no change as well. So Dark flare actually has no change in being cast, and therefore took a 37% nerf. Force pulse outperforms it now.

Though toppling charge is a great change, and the speed of gap closers is a welcome change to melee specs. stamplar is missing that defensive power with magplar being subject to weird skill rules/exceptions that other skills/exceptions were adjusted in this audit and in previous changes.

overall c rating for templar in general.

According to someone in another thread who claimed to have tested out the jabs changes he got a damage increase even if he LA cancelled.
Not because if the cgd changes but for the 10 percent channeltime reduction.
The gcd changes did nothing for uppercut since it was allready 1 sec cast time.

Waffennacht

So I'm pretty set on Curse Eater, Shacklebreaker, Pirate Skele.

Just a pia getting Curse Eater in impen.

All impen or 5 impen x2 divines (maybe)
Tri stat Food

Steed with 3 swift

Not sure if I want lightning staff for more damage or frost for roots + higher poison uptime (leaning towards frost tbh oh and block)

Entropy, Unstable Core, Frost Clench/Toppling Charge, Honor the Dead, and Sweeps
RAT, Ally Ward, Harness Magicka, Extended, Rune, Panacea

Magicka return poisons front bar, magicka return enchantment on resto

I like using soell crit mag pots

5 light, 1 med, 1 heavy

EtTuBrutus

Waffennacht wrote: »

So I'm pretty set on Curse Eater, Shacklebreaker, Pirate Skele.

Just a pia getting Curse Eater in impen.

All impen or 5 impen x2 divines (maybe)
Tri stat Food

Steed with 3 swift

Not sure if I want lightning staff for more damage or frost for roots + higher poison uptime (leaning towards frost tbh oh and block)

Entropy, Unstable Core, Frost Clench/Toppling Charge, Honor the Dead, and Sweeps
RAT, Ally Ward, Harness Magicka, Extended, Rune, Panacea

Magicka return poisons front bar, magicka return enchantment on resto

I like using soell crit mag pots

5 light, 1 med, 1 heavy

You plan on killing ppl with just sweeps and core? And no damage set? This for groups bgs?

Minno

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

So I'm pretty set on Curse Eater, Shacklebreaker, Pirate Skele.

Just a pia getting Curse Eater in impen.

All impen or 5 impen x2 divines (maybe)
Tri stat Food

Steed with 3 swift

Not sure if I want lightning staff for more damage or frost for roots + higher poison uptime (leaning towards frost tbh oh and block)

Entropy, Unstable Core, Frost Clench/Toppling Charge, Honor the Dead, and Sweeps
RAT, Ally Ward, Harness Magicka, Extended, Rune, Panacea

Magicka return poisons front bar, magicka return enchantment on resto

I like using soell crit mag pots

5 light, 1 med, 1 heavy

You plan on killing ppl with just sweeps and core? And no damage set? This for groups bgs?

He does BGs only lol

Waffennacht

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

So I'm pretty set on Curse Eater, Shacklebreaker, Pirate Skele.

Just a pia getting Curse Eater in impen.

All impen or 5 impen x2 divines (maybe)
Tri stat Food

Steed with 3 swift

Not sure if I want lightning staff for more damage or frost for roots + higher poison uptime (leaning towards frost tbh oh and block)

Entropy, Unstable Core, Frost Clench/Toppling Charge, Honor the Dead, and Sweeps
RAT, Ally Ward, Harness Magicka, Extended, Rune, Panacea

Magicka return poisons front bar, magicka return enchantment on resto

I like using spell crit mag pots

5 light, 1 med, 1 heavy

You plan on killing ppl with just sweeps and core? And no damage set? This for groups bgs?

I do indeed!

Finally home from work.

In no CP BGs I don't find it all that necessary to run much damage buffing sets. Well you do if your goal is to 100-0 someone, but that's not a style I enjoy

Sustained damage and pressure has been my bread and butter. (Btw I'm running x2 spell damage glyphs, might go with x2 Regen but I'm just sustaining enough as is so I haven't found much urgency in changing it)

Curse Eater removes defile so that Honor is always massive - that damage I'm healing usually triggers skele. If focus is high I just then switch bars and hit both Shields, hit extended swap cancel it into honor, so full health some shield left over and skele; so I can press the attack.

I then just hit them with unstable and currently reflective, - snaring them and allow me to drop into puncturing sweeps. Once they get low I use empowering sweep.

Only pia is getting my kills stolen. I put significant work into killing someone.

Fyi. I'm also a khajiit, with Rat, that's a 1.8 crit modifier in BGs

MaxJrFTW

Waffennacht wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

So I'm pretty set on Curse Eater, Shacklebreaker, Pirate Skele.

Just a pia getting Curse Eater in impen.

All impen or 5 impen x2 divines (maybe)
Tri stat Food

Steed with 3 swift

Not sure if I want lightning staff for more damage or frost for roots + higher poison uptime (leaning towards frost tbh oh and block)

Entropy, Unstable Core, Frost Clench/Toppling Charge, Honor the Dead, and Sweeps
RAT, Ally Ward, Harness Magicka, Extended, Rune, Panacea

Magicka return poisons front bar, magicka return enchantment on resto

I like using spell crit mag pots

5 light, 1 med, 1 heavy

You plan on killing ppl with just sweeps and core? And no damage set? This for groups bgs?

I do indeed!

Finally home from work.

In no CP BGs I don't find it all that necessary to run much damage buffing sets. Well you do if your goal is to 100-0 someone, but that's not a style I enjoy

Sustained damage and pressure has been my bread and butter. (Btw I'm running x2 spell damage glyphs, might go with x2 Regen but I'm just sustaining enough as is so I haven't found much urgency in changing it)

Curse Eater removes defile so that Honor is always massive - that damage I'm healing usually triggers skele. If focus is high I just then switch bars and hit both Shields, hit extended swap cancel it into honor, so full health some shield left over and skele; so I can press the attack.

I then just hit them with unstable and currently reflective, - snaring them and allow me to drop into puncturing sweeps. Once they get low I use empowering sweep.

Only pia is getting my kills stolen. I put significant work into killing someone.

Fyi. I'm also a khajiit, with Rat, that's a 1.8 crit modifier in BGs

I'm assuming you play on the EU servers and things are very different over there. I'm a bg only player and you won't kill anything with that kind of set up on PC NA, unless you're playing a new character aka low mmr.

Waffennacht

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

So I'm pretty set on Curse Eater, Shacklebreaker, Pirate Skele.

Just a pia getting Curse Eater in impen.

All impen or 5 impen x2 divines (maybe)
Tri stat Food

Steed with 3 swift

Not sure if I want lightning staff for more damage or frost for roots + higher poison uptime (leaning towards frost tbh oh and block)

Entropy, Unstable Core, Frost Clench/Toppling Charge, Honor the Dead, and Sweeps
RAT, Ally Ward, Harness Magicka, Extended, Rune, Panacea

Magicka return poisons front bar, magicka return enchantment on resto

I like using spell crit mag pots

5 light, 1 med, 1 heavy

You plan on killing ppl with just sweeps and core? And no damage set? This for groups bgs?

I do indeed!

Finally home from work.

In no CP BGs I don't find it all that necessary to run much damage buffing sets. Well you do if your goal is to 100-0 someone, but that's not a style I enjoy

Sustained damage and pressure has been my bread and butter. (Btw I'm running x2 spell damage glyphs, might go with x2 Regen but I'm just sustaining enough as is so I haven't found much urgency in changing it)

Curse Eater removes defile so that Honor is always massive - that damage I'm healing usually triggers skele. If focus is high I just then switch bars and hit both Shields, hit extended swap cancel it into honor, so full health some shield left over and skele; so I can press the attack.

I then just hit them with unstable and currently reflective, - snaring them and allow me to drop into puncturing sweeps. Once they get low I use empowering sweep.

Only pia is getting my kills stolen. I put significant work into killing someone.

Fyi. I'm also a khajiit, with Rat, that's a 1.8 crit modifier in BGs

I'm assuming you play on the EU servers and things are very different over there. I'm a bg only player and you won't kill anything with that kind of set up on PC NA, unless you're playing a new character aka low mmr.

Xbox NA; more than likely highest MMR because it's the same people and they're all on the leaderboards.

It's BGs, there's 8 targets to choose from; at least 1 will be soft enough to kill
It's BGs, so I'm never alone unless I choose to be

I'm not about to waste 5 min dancing with a DK built with some survivability for example

Edit: I've already been running the build. Only issue is not having 3 pieces in impen. Like I said, I'm pretty set on it. This is after testing many different builds

MaxJrFTW

Waffennacht wrote: »

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

So I'm pretty set on Curse Eater, Shacklebreaker, Pirate Skele.

Just a pia getting Curse Eater in impen.

All impen or 5 impen x2 divines (maybe)
Tri stat Food

Steed with 3 swift

Not sure if I want lightning staff for more damage or frost for roots + higher poison uptime (leaning towards frost tbh oh and block)

Entropy, Unstable Core, Frost Clench/Toppling Charge, Honor the Dead, and Sweeps
RAT, Ally Ward, Harness Magicka, Extended, Rune, Panacea

Magicka return poisons front bar, magicka return enchantment on resto

I like using spell crit mag pots

5 light, 1 med, 1 heavy

You plan on killing ppl with just sweeps and core? And no damage set? This for groups bgs?

I do indeed!

Finally home from work.

In no CP BGs I don't find it all that necessary to run much damage buffing sets. Well you do if your goal is to 100-0 someone, but that's not a style I enjoy

Sustained damage and pressure has been my bread and butter. (Btw I'm running x2 spell damage glyphs, might go with x2 Regen but I'm just sustaining enough as is so I haven't found much urgency in changing it)

Curse Eater removes defile so that Honor is always massive - that damage I'm healing usually triggers skele. If focus is high I just then switch bars and hit both Shields, hit extended swap cancel it into honor, so full health some shield left over and skele; so I can press the attack.

I then just hit them with unstable and currently reflective, - snaring them and allow me to drop into puncturing sweeps. Once they get low I use empowering sweep.

Only pia is getting my kills stolen. I put significant work into killing someone.

Fyi. I'm also a khajiit, with Rat, that's a 1.8 crit modifier in BGs

I'm assuming you play on the EU servers and things are very different over there. I'm a bg only player and you won't kill anything with that kind of set up on PC NA, unless you're playing a new character aka low mmr.

Xbox NA; more than likely highest MMR because it's the same people and they're all on the leaderboards.

It's BGs, there's 8 targets to choose from; at least 1 will be soft enough to kill
It's BGs, so I'm never alone unless I choose to be

I'm not about to waste 5 min dancing with a DK built with some survivability for example

Edit: I've already been running the build. Only issue is not having 3 pieces in impen. Like I said, I'm pretty set on it. This is after testing many different builds

Yeah, i forgot consoles were a thing.

Datolite

So, few days before patch drops. What major build changes have you guys tested and decided will be worthwhile?

I'm going to be slotting Crescent Sweep and going for an Auroran charge melee build. Dropped vampire already in anticipation of RAT buff.

Anyone else?

ccmedaddy

^ I'm currently farming rattlecage (gross, I know) so I can slot solar barrage next patch. Before anyone yells at me, the only 'flex' spot I have on my offensive bar is ele drain and that skill gives me more dmg and sustain than any 5pc bonus in the game so..

Minno

Datolite wrote: »

So, few days before patch drops. What major build changes have you guys tested and decided will be worthwhile?

I'm going to be slotting Crescent Sweep and going for an Auroran charge melee build. Dropped vampire already in anticipation of RAT buff.

Anyone else?

Only thing changing is my login routine

EtTuBrutus

ccmedaddy wrote: »

^ I'm currently farming rattlecage (gross, I know) so I can slot solar barrage next patch. Before anyone yells at me, the only 'flex' spot I have on my offensive bar is ele drain and that skill gives me more dmg and sustain than any 5pc bonus in the game so..

Figure out stam sustain, drop tripots entropy and bane, and slot spell power pots. 2 extra slots. U can run alliance pots if u wanna keep bane.

The video i posted a day or so ago shows what i'm talking about. It keeps bane, which i'll probably drop for radiant shield or blazing spear. In that video I think i have about 15k stam and 800 stam recovery.

Waffennacht

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

ccmedaddy wrote: »

^ I'm currently farming rattlecage (gross, I know) so I can slot solar barrage next patch. Before anyone yells at me, the only 'flex' spot I have on my offensive bar is ele drain and that skill gives me more dmg and sustain than any 5pc bonus in the game so..

Figure out stam sustain, drop tripots entropy and bane, and slot spell power pots. 2 extra slots. U can run alliance pots if u wanna keep bane.

The video i posted a day or so ago shows what i'm talking about. It keeps bane, which i'll probably drop for radiant shield or blazing spear. In that video I think i have about 15k stam and 800 stam recovery.

Hrm, I like this advice and me thinks I shall take it

EtTuBrutus

Waffennacht wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

ccmedaddy wrote: »

^ I'm currently farming rattlecage (gross, I know) so I can slot solar barrage next patch. Before anyone yells at me, the only 'flex' spot I have on my offensive bar is ele drain and that skill gives me more dmg and sustain than any 5pc bonus in the game so..

Figure out stam sustain, drop tripots entropy and bane, and slot spell power pots. 2 extra slots. U can run alliance pots if u wanna keep bane.

The video i posted a day or so ago shows what i'm talking about. It keeps bane, which i'll probably drop for radiant shield or blazing spear. In that video I think i have about 15k stam and 800 stam recovery.

Hrm, I like this advice and me thinks I shall take it

I want 12% on all ap gained

technohic

Switching from Dubious to max health max stam food I think; although I hate the 1 hour duration. Not sure if i will add back in much sustain. May switch from steel tornado to the splash damage executioner to get some sustain back when killing a target.

Then I'm going to level a necromancer and gear up my NB as it will even have better defense as a brawler than stamplar. My magdk is also ready to go. My stamsorc is too much like my stamplar next patch when it gets some weapon spammable and stamplar gets better healing from ER. Not sure about my stamden as it's a 1 trick pony that already is hard to land on good players and that pony can now be blocked.

Elong

I'm going to happily share this idea for Stamplar as I don't think I'll be playing much of it next patch. With the change to Toppling Charge and gap closers in general (yes, I know it's a magicka skill but I never have magicka issues on my Stamplar):

Truth, Ravager, Bloodspawn.

technohic

Elong wrote: »

I'm going to happily share this idea for Stamplar as I don't think I'll be playing much of it next patch. With the change to Toppling Charge and gap closers in general (yes, I know it's a magicka skill but I never have magicka issues on my Stamplar):

Truth, Ravager, Bloodspawn.

Ran my stamden similarly only with 7th in stead if ravager. It's a good load out in CP pvp where you can take damage for fury to build up. Think I'd rather go 7th though as the tiny heal, I think of as mitigation.

I'm also not sure about fury on templar where purging DOTs would actually hurt your fury stacks. Maybe 7th and Ravager.

Waffennacht

technohic wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

I'm going to happily share this idea for Stamplar as I don't think I'll be playing much of it next patch. With the change to Toppling Charge and gap closers in general (yes, I know it's a magicka skill but I never have magicka issues on my Stamplar):

Truth, Ravager, Bloodspawn.

Ran my stamden similarly only with 7th in stead if ravager. It's a good load out in CP pvp where you can take damage for fury to build up. Think I'd rather go 7th though as the tiny heal, I think of as mitigation.

I'm also not sure about fury on templar where purging DOTs would actually hurt your fury stacks. Maybe 7th and Ravager.

Truth cuz charge puts em off balance

Elong

Waffennacht wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

I'm going to happily share this idea for Stamplar as I don't think I'll be playing much of it next patch. With the change to Toppling Charge and gap closers in general (yes, I know it's a magicka skill but I never have magicka issues on my Stamplar):

Truth, Ravager, Bloodspawn.

Ran my stamden similarly only with 7th in stead if ravager. It's a good load out in CP pvp where you can take damage for fury to build up. Think I'd rather go 7th though as the tiny heal, I think of as mitigation.

I'm also not sure about fury on templar where purging DOTs would actually hurt your fury stacks. Maybe 7th and Ravager.

Truth cuz charge puts em off balance

This. Plus Exploiter CP passive.

Elong

technohic wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

I'm going to happily share this idea for Stamplar as I don't think I'll be playing much of it next patch. With the change to Toppling Charge and gap closers in general (yes, I know it's a magicka skill but I never have magicka issues on my Stamplar):

Truth, Ravager, Bloodspawn.

Ran my stamden similarly only with 7th in stead if ravager. It's a good load out in CP pvp where you can take damage for fury to build up. Think I'd rather go 7th though as the tiny heal, I think of as mitigation.

I'm also not sure about fury on templar where purging DOTs would actually hurt your fury stacks. Maybe 7th and Ravager.

Not using Fury mate. Truth.

technohic

Elong wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

I'm going to happily share this idea for Stamplar as I don't think I'll be playing much of it next patch. With the change to Toppling Charge and gap closers in general (yes, I know it's a magicka skill but I never have magicka issues on my Stamplar):

Truth, Ravager, Bloodspawn.

Ran my stamden similarly only with 7th in stead if ravager. It's a good load out in CP pvp where you can take damage for fury to build up. Think I'd rather go 7th though as the tiny heal, I think of as mitigation.

I'm also not sure about fury on templar where purging DOTs would actually hurt your fury stacks. Maybe 7th and Ravager.

Not using Fury mate. Truth.

Oops. Had my wires crossed

ccmedaddy

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

ccmedaddy wrote: »

^ I'm currently farming rattlecage (gross, I know) so I can slot solar barrage next patch. Before anyone yells at me, the only 'flex' spot I have on my offensive bar is ele drain and that skill gives me more dmg and sustain than any 5pc bonus in the game so..

Figure out stam sustain, drop tripots entropy and bane, and slot spell power pots. 2 extra slots. U can run alliance pots if u wanna keep bane.

The video i posted a day or so ago shows what i'm talking about. It keeps bane, which i'll probably drop for radiant shield or blazing spear. In that video I think i have about 15k stam and 800 stam recovery.

Thanks. I miss being an Argonian.

EtTuBrutus

technohic wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

I'm going to happily share this idea for Stamplar as I don't think I'll be playing much of it next patch. With the change to Toppling Charge and gap closers in general (yes, I know it's a magicka skill but I never have magicka issues on my Stamplar):

Truth, Ravager, Bloodspawn.

Ran my stamden similarly only with 7th in stead if ravager. It's a good load out in CP pvp where you can take damage for fury to build up. Think I'd rather go 7th though as the tiny heal, I think of as mitigation.

I'm also not sure about fury on templar where purging DOTs would actually hurt your fury stacks. Maybe 7th and Ravager.

Truth front bar

ccmedaddy wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

ccmedaddy wrote: »

^ I'm currently farming rattlecage (gross, I know) so I can slot solar barrage next patch. Before anyone yells at me, the only 'flex' spot I have on my offensive bar is ele drain and that skill gives me more dmg and sustain than any 5pc bonus in the game so..

Figure out stam sustain, drop tripots entropy and bane, and slot spell power pots. 2 extra slots. U can run alliance pots if u wanna keep bane.

The video i posted a day or so ago shows what i'm talking about. It keeps bane, which i'll probably drop for radiant shield or blazing spear. In that video I think i have about 15k stam and 800 stam recovery.

Thanks. I miss being an Argonian.

Im a high elf. It's gud

Minno

I'm liking curse eater @Waffennacht . Good idea lol.

Waffennacht

Minno wrote: »

I'm liking curse eater @Waffennacht . Good idea lol.

I'm a huge fan now. If it's this solid now imagine how OP the first idea was.

@EtTuBrutus glad I made the tweaks I did, have more killing power and already see the improvement.

Minno

Waffennacht wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

I'm liking curse eater @Waffennacht . Good idea lol.

I'm a huge fan now. If it's this solid now imagine how OP the first idea was.

@EtTuBrutus glad I made the tweaks I did, have more killing power and already see the improvement.

Yup. Turns a 3800 htd into a 3200 cast off you can get the 600 mag while removing 3 debuffs. The 600 mag is about 150 effective Regen.

Went rangplar with mine, no jabs. I'm imperial so take this with a grain of salt, but I'm at 36k mag, 27k health, 14k Stam running bloody Mara drink.

War maiden, grothdarr, curse eater. Fire staff/resto:
1) solar barrage, purfying light, vamps bane as my spamable, toppling charge, ele drain. Croissant sweep
2) RAT, rune, purge, htd, total dark. Life giver.

Might swap the way maiden out, but it buffs everything but VB and next patch toppling will be better than jabs. Wish there was an AOE monster set in magic that isn't bad nerienith lol.

Ticks off valuable pain points:
- embraces AOE/melee/ranged community self described Templar identity.
- gcd ignoring dots/AOE help keep you offensive on backbar if needed
- mobile healing ult
- huge debuff removal
- single target with AOE so things like major evaison are not as bad. Even next patch with DK ripping into our VB ranged, we can at least pressure with melee aoe and we can fight against Templars running purges sauce most of our AOE is self cast.

I'll grab some vids for you all.

technohic

I was debating taking my stamplar back magicka but then did my stamsorc first. Just slapped together shackle and necrop and in Cyrodiil I have a 10 k shield, 10k heal, streak, effectively an unprgeable dot from matriarch, a resource management tool that also hss a 10k heal on it, and z better execute and burst. Dont even get me started on what it looks like slapping my stamplar gear on my NB.

ER is pretty much our only thing

EtTuBrutus

Curse eater effects your team too. So playing around them you might not get the benefits. That's my gripe about it.