Skyshards account bound

TheTombstone

I think a lot of people are misunderstanding that new characters aren't new to the game. RP wise, yes. Then again, why do your characters have access to the same bank? I do not really play the game to RP, I play to play with friends. None of them want to do the same thing over and over again, but I like to 100% something at least once.

DaveMoeDee

It is possible someone already made this point as I read through many comments, but not all 20 pages.

If people want skyshard skill points to be account-wide, why not quest skill points? I can't help but think the reason they want skyshard skill points account-wide is because they don't want to redo the quests, but feel suggesting to give free quest skill points on an alt is too much. But is there a real different? In fact, collecting 3 skyshards is considerable faster than finishing a skill point awarding quest.

Tbh, I would love a change to account-wide because I have 15 characters and some could really use more skill points. I also have no problem doing it as it is now.

Taleof2Cities

TheTombstone wrote: »

I do not really play the game to RP, I play to play with friends. None of them want to do the same thing over and over again, but I like to 100% something at least once.

You don’t ... but other players do.

As was mentioned quite a few times in the thread already, it’s OK to skip skyshards on a new character ... since there are plenty of skill points in other areas to pick up: public dungeons, PvP, dungeon quests, zone quests, etc.

There are 400+ skill points in the game ... with skyshards only being around a quarter of that total.

The game doesn’t need this change as it exists today.

DaveMoeDee

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

TheTombstone wrote: »

I do not really play the game to RP, I play to play with friends. None of them want to do the same thing over and over again, but I like to 100% something at least once.

As was mentioned quite a few times in the thread already, it’s OK to skip skyshards on a new character ... since there are plenty of skill points in other areas to pick up: public dungeons, PvP, dungeon quests, zone quests, etc.

There are 400+ skill points in the game ... with skyshards only being around a quarter of that total.

The game doesn’t need this change as it exists today.

Apparently they don't want to do all those quests and dungeons again because that would be doing the same thing over and over again.

Edziu

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

It is possible someone already made this point as I read through many comments, but not all 20 pages.

If people want skyshard skill points to be account-wide, why not quest skill points? I can't help but think the reason they want skyshard skill points account-wide is because they don't want to redo the quests, but feel suggesting to give free quest skill points on an alt is too much. But is there a real different? In fact, collecting 3 skyshards is considerable faster than finishing a skill point awarding quest.

Tbh, I would love a change to account-wide because I have 15 characters and some could really use more skill points. I also have no problem doing it as it is now.

to have accountwide skillpoints from jsut quest instead of skyshards is also good point but unfortunately this thread is only about skyshards

I think everyone or atlest most who want skyshards account bound will be fine with skillpoints from quests to be acocuntwide instead

but as I know this community...if we here with you all who want skyshards to leave character bound will compromise and try "fight" for quest skillpoints then other RP's will shout for us we are now want to break their immerion etc and then they will say to ask for skyshards and we will get endless circle imo

tmbrinks

Edziu wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

It is possible someone already made this point as I read through many comments, but not all 20 pages.

If people want skyshard skill points to be account-wide, why not quest skill points? I can't help but think the reason they want skyshard skill points account-wide is because they don't want to redo the quests, but feel suggesting to give free quest skill points on an alt is too much. But is there a real different? In fact, collecting 3 skyshards is considerable faster than finishing a skill point awarding quest.

Tbh, I would love a change to account-wide because I have 15 characters and some could really use more skill points. I also have no problem doing it as it is now.

to have accountwide skillpoints from jsut quest instead of skyshards is also good point but unfortunately this thread is only about skyshards

I think everyone or atlest most who want skyshards account bound will be fine with skillpoints from quests to be acocuntwide instead

but as I know this community...if we here with you all who want skyshards to leave character bound will compromise and try "fight" for quest skillpoints then other RP's will shout for us we are now want to break their immerion etc and then they will say to ask for skyshards and we will get endless circle imo

Now you're suggesting that nearly all the skill points would be best to be account bound? wow. just wow. (even though it's not the point of this thread, you said it)

Might at well not even play at that point. You keep using shared bank and shared CP as arguments FOR the others to be account bound. Those are already the "Quality of Life" things that you are BEGGING for to make it easier to level and progress on alternate accounts. This is where the "slippery slope" arguments come from.. you ALREADY have those 2... let's ask for more... and then more... and then more... and then it's not even a game anymore, because there will be nothing left to do.

AlnilamE

Edziu wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

It is possible someone already made this point as I read through many comments, but not all 20 pages.

If people want skyshard skill points to be account-wide, why not quest skill points? I can't help but think the reason they want skyshard skill points account-wide is because they don't want to redo the quests, but feel suggesting to give free quest skill points on an alt is too much. But is there a real different? In fact, collecting 3 skyshards is considerable faster than finishing a skill point awarding quest.

Tbh, I would love a change to account-wide because I have 15 characters and some could really use more skill points. I also have no problem doing it as it is now.

to have accountwide skillpoints from jsut quest instead of skyshards is also good point but unfortunately this thread is only about skyshards

I think everyone or atlest most who want skyshards account bound will be fine with skillpoints from quests to be acocuntwide instead

but as I know this community...if we here with you all who want skyshards to leave character bound will compromise and try "fight" for quest skillpoints then other RP's will shout for us we are now want to break their immerion etc and then they will say to ask for skyshards and we will get endless circle imo

Essentially, your ideal ESO would have:
- All skill points account bound
- All guild lines (Mages, Thieves, Fighters, Undaunted) account bound
- Alliance rank account bound
- Achievements account bound
- All wayshrines account bound

Did I forget anything?

You essentially want to play the game on one character. You would just like that character to be different classes/builds.

BNOC

Everything achievement wise bar PVP and Trial titles / Ranks should be optionally carried over IMO.

Character create screen - Add an option (disabled by default and enabled at 160CP/Max CP) that allows you to carry over achievements, bar those that are specific (as above, probably a few more too).

The rest are simply tied to https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/categories/fiction-roleplaying and https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/categories/quests-exploration so I've no idea why they're not globally optional.

Jameliel

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Jameliel wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

No thanks, I want to play the game fully with all my characters, not have one achieve stuff which the rest are then handed on a plate just because I've done it once.

Then you should have an option to grind it all out again. Nothing is handed to me which I spent hours on. I have a real job. Doing the exact same boring horse simulation, running and riding from stone to stone, book to book is monotonous and NOT fun to a large portion of us. I'd like to you know..PLAY the game. Not be forced to do what someone else THINKS I should do.

If it’s NOT fun then why are you making new characters in the first place??

No one is forcing you to do that ...

To do the things I ENJOY doing on new characters. I clearly wrote I'd like to PLAY the game. Obviously, grinding skyshards repeatedly doesn't feel like playing to many of us. I don't even get what your argument is. Seems like someone is simply trying to argue for the sake of argument. If you enjoy gathering skyshards over and over, by all means continue to do so. For those of us who would like account wide skyshards, please stop trying to force us to like the same things you do. You play how you like, and let the rest of us play as we like. Live and let live.

Edziu

@tmbrinks so or read better with understand or I sorry if I again wrote not clear enough

I was just explaining not to want shards and quest point account bound....
I was eplaining if we will leave thread with shards and start thread with skillpoints from quest account shared this will awake another group of RP which will same never accept this like you with shards

I didnt meant to have all these together account bound, I meant I could leave shards accountbound for these skillpoints from quests, this is good compromise for us but for sure not good option for another RP player base - this was my though now

tmbrinks

Edziu wrote: »

@tmbrinks so or read better with understand or I sorry if I again wrote not clear enough

I was just explaining not to want shards and quest point account bound....
I was eplaining if we will leave thread with shards and start thread with skillpoints from quest account shared this will awake another group of RP which will same never accept this like you with shards

I didnt meant to have all these together account bound, I meant I could leave shards accountbound for these skillpoints from quests, this is good compromise for us but for sure not good option for another RP player base - this was my though now

I understood what you were saying... hence the slippery slope argument, where you add more and more. I could also make the argument that you're asking for say $1,000 from somebody (the 143 skill points from skyshards), then going and saying that you deserve $500 from them (the skill points from questing) since that's the "compromise"

When things are to be changed, the "burden of proof" is on the people who want the change to PROVE that the change needs to be made before there is even a hint of compromise. There are literally a hundred posts in here that show that it does not need to be changed, so just because the original suggestion does not need to be made, that does not entitle those who want a change to get a "compromise"

xxthir13enxx

tmbrinks wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

@tmbrinks so or read better with understand or I sorry if I again wrote not clear enough

I was just explaining not to want shards and quest point account bound....
I was eplaining if we will leave thread with shards and start thread with skillpoints from quest account shared this will awake another group of RP which will same never accept this like you with shards

I didnt meant to have all these together account bound, I meant I could leave shards accountbound for these skillpoints from quests, this is good compromise for us but for sure not good option for another RP player base - this was my though now

I understood what you were saying... hence the slippery slope argument, where you add more and more. I could also make the argument that you're asking for say $1,000 from somebody (the 143 skill points from skyshards), then going and saying that you deserve $500 from them (the skill points from questing) since that's the "compromise"

When things are to be changed, the "burden of proof" is on the people who want the change to PROVE that the change needs to be made before there is even a hint of compromise. There are literally a hundred posts in here that show that it does not need to be changed, so just because the original suggestion does not need to be made, that does not entitle those who want a change to get a "compromise"

FunFact: if I give a guy $100,000.00 and than ask him for $1,000.00 that mofo better be giving me $1,000.00....f the $500.00 compromise

Edziu

AlnilamE wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

It is possible someone already made this point as I read through many comments, but not all 20 pages.

If people want skyshard skill points to be account-wide, why not quest skill points? I can't help but think the reason they want skyshard skill points account-wide is because they don't want to redo the quests, but feel suggesting to give free quest skill points on an alt is too much. But is there a real different? In fact, collecting 3 skyshards is considerable faster than finishing a skill point awarding quest.

Tbh, I would love a change to account-wide because I have 15 characters and some could really use more skill points. I also have no problem doing it as it is now.

to have accountwide skillpoints from jsut quest instead of skyshards is also good point but unfortunately this thread is only about skyshards

I think everyone or atlest most who want skyshards account bound will be fine with skillpoints from quests to be acocuntwide instead

but as I know this community...if we here with you all who want skyshards to leave character bound will compromise and try "fight" for quest skillpoints then other RP's will shout for us we are now want to break their immerion etc and then they will say to ask for skyshards and we will get endless circle imo

Essentially, your ideal ESO would have:
- All skill points account bound
- All guild lines (Mages, Thieves, Fighters, Undaunted) account bound
- Alliance rank account bound
- Achievements account bound
- All wayshrines account bound

Did I forget anything?

You essentially want to play the game on one character. You would just like that character to be different classes/builds.

do I wrote this everything I wint this? Im dont think so but I was writing about these points but btw atleast even pvp rank or jsut skillpoints for this could be account boud as for average player this is really hard to even get half enouh alliance point to reach half neede for 50 alliance rank

and at all in your last
sentence you pretty get me

all I need in this game its to jsut have single character wgicg wont be problem if I could change its class
as for now most of my character which I create to play longer than expctional moments like tank is in need so I log on tank only to do this single job and then back to other character wchich I like more

most my chars which I play longer are not only same race but really simlilar look also so for me thats like playing same character but in different way (which in real TES would be able - as play how and what you want but here we are stuck with different classes)

if there was an option like some people proposed it would be great for me to link alt to my main character to have same atlest achiev from my main, I could turn blink eye for just exploration with quests, guild leveling from 0 etc but to have atleast same shared achievement to see just my progress which isnt that much depentend which on which character I have done...I jsut have dont it on this account and that is for me
thats like in many other games I have seen....while new character dont have dicovered map etc but have achievs for account, and that is enough for me but here we are with skillpoints account shared thread and about something other

Edziu

tmbrinks wrote: »

There are literally a hundred posts in here that show that it does not need to be changed,

and like literally here is also hundred post showing why making some skillpoints account share good idea to be atlest toggle if you want with explantation this will not make game worse but only more enjoyable for many other

Sheezabeast

Will a mod please but this dead horse *** out of its misery...

AlnilamE

Edziu wrote: »

if there was an option like some people proposed it would be great for me to link alt to my main character to have same atlest achiev from my main, I could turn blink eye for just exploration with quests, guild leveling from 0 etc but to have atleast same shared achievement to see just my progress which isnt that much depentend which on which character I have done...I jsut have dont it on this account and that is for me
thats like in many other games I have seen....while new character dont have dicovered map etc but have achievs for account, and that is enough for me but here we are with skillpoints account shared thread and about something other

An account-wide tab for achievements that shows you an overview, while preserving the per-character achievement tracking as well would be fine.

But I don't know of any game where skill points acquired by one character can be used by another.

Edziu

AlnilamE wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

if there was an option like some people proposed it would be great for me to link alt to my main character to have same atlest achiev from my main, I could turn blink eye for just exploration with quests, guild leveling from 0 etc but to have atleast same shared achievement to see just my progress which isnt that much depentend which on which character I have done...I jsut have dont it on this account and that is for me
thats like in many other games I have seen....while new character dont have dicovered map etc but have achievs for account, and that is enough for me but here we are with skillpoints account shared thread and about something other

An account-wide tab for achievements that shows you an overview, while preserving the per-character achievement tracking as well would be fine.

But I don't know of any game where skill points acquired by one character can be used by another.

yeah thats why account shared skillpoints are just in this thread while my main pain are achievs in this game...and because this is how it is it just me (and maybe people like me) to threads, situations like this because as we cant have 1 single thing then we ask for other smaller things just to have atlest this something which we wont to need to make per every character (sorry if wrote something uneccessary more time than need, just writing fast fast now)

EDIT: about this leading from missing account acheivements to this thread account shared skillpoints - atleast for me thats thing I just feel pissed whine need explore all over again on character where I have literraly nothing from achievs wwhich I get on my main (not looking at motifs etc custom things but looking more like something Im doing on this my main char, and something other on my alt which I will not want to soon do again on main char so achievement I would have rally uneccessary split between chars at which I dont care on which waht I get as for me thats - I just get it and thats all)

tmbrinks

Edziu wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

There are literally a hundred posts in here that show that it does not need to be changed,

and like literally here is also hundred post showing why making some skillpoints account share good idea to be atlest toggle if you want with explantation this will not make game worse but only more enjoyable for many other

and yet none of them have shown any proof that it needs to be changed. As I said, burden of proof is on you.

tmbrinks

Edziu wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

if there was an option like some people proposed it would be great for me to link alt to my main character to have same atlest achiev from my main, I could turn blink eye for just exploration with quests, guild leveling from 0 etc but to have atleast same shared achievement to see just my progress which isnt that much depentend which on which character I have done...I jsut have dont it on this account and that is for me
thats like in many other games I have seen....while new character dont have dicovered map etc but have achievs for account, and that is enough for me but here we are with skillpoints account shared thread and about something other

An account-wide tab for achievements that shows you an overview, while preserving the per-character achievement tracking as well would be fine.

But I don't know of any game where skill points acquired by one character can be used by another.

yeah thats why account shared skillpoints are just in this thread while my main pain are achievs in this game...and because this is how it is it just me (and maybe people like me) to threads, situations like this because as we cant have 1 single thing then we ask for other smaller things just to have atlest this something which we wont to need to make per every character (sorry if wrote something uneccessary more time than need, just writing fast fast now)

EDIT: about this leading from missing account acheivements to this thread account shared skillpoints - atleast for me thats thing I just feel pissed whine need explore all over again on character where I have literraly nothing from achievs wwhich I get on my main (not looking at motifs etc custom things but looking more like something Im doing on this my main char, and something other on my alt which I will not want to soon do again on main char so achievement I would have rally uneccessary split between chars at which I dont care on which waht I get as for me thats - I just get it and thats all)

you completely missed my earlier argument. You ask a stranger for $1,000 (for no reason), he says "no", then you go "let's compromise at $500" That is your entire argument.

Edziu

tmbrinks wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

There are literally a hundred posts in here that show that it does not need to be changed,

and like literally here is also hundred post showing why making some skillpoints account share good idea to be atlest toggle if you want with explantation this will not make game worse but only more enjoyable for many other

and yet none of them have shown any proof that it needs to be changed. As I said, burden of proof is on you.

like any of opposite threads have not showed yet this toggle option for those who want would be real gamebreaking and breaking immerion to those who are fine as its now

xxthir13enxx

The proof is the request from the players.
The need is by ZOS keeping its players happy and continuing to play/pay.
There does not need to be more than this...it’s a game....We paid/pay to play. We requested a change...ZOS decides if request has merit and if it will increase profits/interest in the game.

The End.

tmbrinks

Edziu wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

There are literally a hundred posts in here that show that it does not need to be changed,

and like literally here is also hundred post showing why making some skillpoints account share good idea to be atlest toggle if you want with explantation this will not make game worse but only more enjoyable for many other

and yet none of them have shown any proof that it needs to be changed. As I said, burden of proof is on you.

like any of opposite threads have not showed yet this toggle option for those who want would be real gamebreaking and breaking immerion to those who are fine as its now

back to the toggle. no. just no.

tmbrinks

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

The proof is the request from the players.
The need is by ZOS keeping its players happy and continuing to play/pay.
There does not need to be more than this...it’s a game....We paid/pay to play. We requested a change...ZOS decides if request has merit and if it will increase profits/interest in the game.

The End.

Yet, after 20 pages of debate, there is not a single comment from ZoS in here. It's pretty apparent that they don't see it as an issue. I'm pretty confident, at this point, that they agree they should not be account bound.

Edziu

tmbrinks wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

if there was an option like some people proposed it would be great for me to link alt to my main character to have same atlest achiev from my main, I could turn blink eye for just exploration with quests, guild leveling from 0 etc but to have atleast same shared achievement to see just my progress which isnt that much depentend which on which character I have done...I jsut have dont it on this account and that is for me
thats like in many other games I have seen....while new character dont have dicovered map etc but have achievs for account, and that is enough for me but here we are with skillpoints account shared thread and about something other

An account-wide tab for achievements that shows you an overview, while preserving the per-character achievement tracking as well would be fine.

But I don't know of any game where skill points acquired by one character can be used by another.

yeah thats why account shared skillpoints are just in this thread while my main pain are achievs in this game...and because this is how it is it just me (and maybe people like me) to threads, situations like this because as we cant have 1 single thing then we ask for other smaller things just to have atlest this something which we wont to need to make per every character (sorry if wrote something uneccessary more time than need, just writing fast fast now)

EDIT: about this leading from missing account acheivements to this thread account shared skillpoints - atleast for me thats thing I just feel pissed whine need explore all over again on character where I have literraly nothing from achievs wwhich I get on my main (not looking at motifs etc custom things but looking more like something Im doing on this my main char, and something other on my alt which I will not want to soon do again on main char so achievement I would have rally uneccessary split between chars at which I dont care on which waht I get as for me thats - I just get it and thats all)

you completely missed my earlier argument. You ask a stranger for $1,000 (for no reason), he says "no", then you go "let's compromise at $500" That is your entire argument.

no Im not asking stranger for 1000$
what Im asking its more like

- you going into new job - you need training in this job before you can fully do this job, thats your 1st time here and this is fine
- then you are going to different place because you wanted change it (for example closer to your new house after transfer? int another adress)

and here is what we ask for - to no need do again training for same job in different place but to be able make this job just now as you had this same training before but just in different place

it could be compared like just tutorial in any game where these tutorails we can skip or if not are really short while missing skillpoints for endgame character are much longer to get and yet if we ar going to compromise leaving shards thread while asking now for skillpoints from quest - it is just asking different person in same high position who can give us option to skip same training because we have done it but in different place

Edziu

tmbrinks wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

The proof is the request from the players.
The need is by ZOS keeping its players happy and continuing to play/pay.
There does not need to be more than this...it’s a game....We paid/pay to play. We requested a change...ZOS decides if request has merit and if it will increase profits/interest in the game.

The End.

Yet, after 20 pages of debate, there is not a single comment from ZoS in here. It's pretty apparent that they don't see it as an issue. I'm pretty confident, at this point, that they agree they should not be account bound.

no answer from ZOS because they jsut dont care about this and they have their communication with us just in ***- have you readed many threads about jsut not working undaunted event with griup dungeon? no any ZOS answer about this except those who was remowing posts fro breaking forum rules...

xxthir13enxx

tmbrinks wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

if there was an option like some people proposed it would be great for me to link alt to my main character to have same atlest achiev from my main, I could turn blink eye for just exploration with quests, guild leveling from 0 etc but to have atleast same shared achievement to see just my progress which isnt that much depentend which on which character I have done...I jsut have dont it on this account and that is for me
thats like in many other games I have seen....while new character dont have dicovered map etc but have achievs for account, and that is enough for me but here we are with skillpoints account shared thread and about something other

An account-wide tab for achievements that shows you an overview, while preserving the per-character achievement tracking as well would be fine.

But I don't know of any game where skill points acquired by one character can be used by another.

yeah thats why account shared skillpoints are just in this thread while my main pain are achievs in this game...and because this is how it is it just me (and maybe people like me) to threads, situations like this because as we cant have 1 single thing then we ask for other smaller things just to have atlest this something which we wont to need to make per every character (sorry if wrote something uneccessary more time than need, just writing fast fast now)

EDIT: about this leading from missing account acheivements to this thread account shared skillpoints - atleast for me thats thing I just feel pissed whine need explore all over again on character where I have literraly nothing from achievs wwhich I get on my main (not looking at motifs etc custom things but looking more like something Im doing on this my main char, and something other on my alt which I will not want to soon do again on main char so achievement I would have rally uneccessary split between chars at which I dont care on which waht I get as for me thats - I just get it and thats all)

you completely missed my earlier argument. You ask a stranger for $1,000 (for no reason), he says "no", then you go "let's compromise at $500" That is your entire argument.

You seem to be completely missing the fact that People Paid For This Game....it is a Game...nothing More...Just a Game people Play to Have Fun...YOU have fun running around collecting Skyshards...Others Do NOT...and Doing so Over n Over gets Old and Boring and Subtracts from the Players Experience.

tmbrinks

Edziu wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

if there was an option like some people proposed it would be great for me to link alt to my main character to have same atlest achiev from my main, I could turn blink eye for just exploration with quests, guild leveling from 0 etc but to have atleast same shared achievement to see just my progress which isnt that much depentend which on which character I have done...I jsut have dont it on this account and that is for me
thats like in many other games I have seen....while new character dont have dicovered map etc but have achievs for account, and that is enough for me but here we are with skillpoints account shared thread and about something other

An account-wide tab for achievements that shows you an overview, while preserving the per-character achievement tracking as well would be fine.

But I don't know of any game where skill points acquired by one character can be used by another.

yeah thats why account shared skillpoints are just in this thread while my main pain are achievs in this game...and because this is how it is it just me (and maybe people like me) to threads, situations like this because as we cant have 1 single thing then we ask for other smaller things just to have atlest this something which we wont to need to make per every character (sorry if wrote something uneccessary more time than need, just writing fast fast now)

EDIT: about this leading from missing account acheivements to this thread account shared skillpoints - atleast for me thats thing I just feel pissed whine need explore all over again on character where I have literraly nothing from achievs wwhich I get on my main (not looking at motifs etc custom things but looking more like something Im doing on this my main char, and something other on my alt which I will not want to soon do again on main char so achievement I would have rally uneccessary split between chars at which I dont care on which waht I get as for me thats - I just get it and thats all)

you completely missed my earlier argument. You ask a stranger for $1,000 (for no reason), he says "no", then you go "let's compromise at $500" That is your entire argument.

no Im not asking stranger for 1000$
what Im asking its more like

- you going into new job - you need training in this job before you can fully do this job, thats your 1st time here and this is fine
- then you are going to different place because you wanted change it (for example closer to your new house after transfer? int another adress)

and here is what we ask for - to no need do again training for same job in different place but to be able make this job just now as you had this same training before but just in different place

it could be compared like just tutorial in any game where these tutorails we can skip or if not are really short while missing skillpoints for endgame character are much longer to get and yet if we ar going to compromise leaving shards thread while asking now for skillpoints from quest - it is just asking different person in same high position who can give us option to skip same training because we have done it but in different place

I get your argument. I just don't think it should be a part of the game.

You get skill points from leveling. (64) If you level from questing (instead of skyreach grinding) you will have enough skill points to do any role in the game. (you'll probably get another 40-60). If 100 skill points isn't enough to do PVE OR PVP OR CRAFTING (NOT ALL 3!!!!!) then something is wrong.

The biggest argument I have is WHY DO YOU EVEN NEED THE HANDOUT YOU'RE ASKING FOR? Simply playing the game to level gives you enough to do anything you want to do... which is why this whole argument is a non-starter to me. You don't need them.

I have characters that are just for pve. I have characters that are just crafters. and I have characters that can do everything. I haven't 'grinded skyshards' or skill points on any of them to get them where they are. I leveled them from questing.

TelvanniWizard

rexagamemnon wrote: »

Skyshards, wayshrines, alliance war ranks, are just a few items that should be account bound

This^. Also, in my point of view, achievements should be account base.

Edziu

tmbrinks wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

if there was an option like some people proposed it would be great for me to link alt to my main character to have same atlest achiev from my main, I could turn blink eye for just exploration with quests, guild leveling from 0 etc but to have atleast same shared achievement to see just my progress which isnt that much depentend which on which character I have done...I jsut have dont it on this account and that is for me
thats like in many other games I have seen....while new character dont have dicovered map etc but have achievs for account, and that is enough for me but here we are with skillpoints account shared thread and about something other

An account-wide tab for achievements that shows you an overview, while preserving the per-character achievement tracking as well would be fine.

But I don't know of any game where skill points acquired by one character can be used by another.

yeah thats why account shared skillpoints are just in this thread while my main pain are achievs in this game...and because this is how it is it just me (and maybe people like me) to threads, situations like this because as we cant have 1 single thing then we ask for other smaller things just to have atlest this something which we wont to need to make per every character (sorry if wrote something uneccessary more time than need, just writing fast fast now)

EDIT: about this leading from missing account acheivements to this thread account shared skillpoints - atleast for me thats thing I just feel pissed whine need explore all over again on character where I have literraly nothing from achievs wwhich I get on my main (not looking at motifs etc custom things but looking more like something Im doing on this my main char, and something other on my alt which I will not want to soon do again on main char so achievement I would have rally uneccessary split between chars at which I dont care on which waht I get as for me thats - I just get it and thats all)

you completely missed my earlier argument. You ask a stranger for $1,000 (for no reason), he says "no", then you go "let's compromise at $500" That is your entire argument.

no Im not asking stranger for 1000$
what Im asking its more like

- you going into new job - you need training in this job before you can fully do this job, thats your 1st time here and this is fine
- then you are going to different place because you wanted change it (for example closer to your new house after transfer? int another adress)

and here is what we ask for - to no need do again training for same job in different place but to be able make this job just now as you had this same training before but just in different place

it could be compared like just tutorial in any game where these tutorails we can skip or if not are really short while missing skillpoints for endgame character are much longer to get and yet if we ar going to compromise leaving shards thread while asking now for skillpoints from quest - it is just asking different person in same high position who can give us option to skip same training because we have done it but in different place

I get your argument. I just don't think it should be a part of the game.

You get skill points from leveling. (64) If you level from questing (instead of skyreach grinding) you will have enough skill points to do any role in the game. (you'll probably get another 40-60). If 100 skill points isn't enough to do PVE OR PVP OR CRAFTING (NOT ALL 3!!!!!) then something is wrong.

The biggest argument I have is WHY DO YOU EVEN NEED THE HANDOUT YOU'RE ASKING FOR? Simply playing the game to level gives you enough to do anything you want to do... which is why this whole argument is a non-starter to me. You don't need them.

I have characters that are just for pve. I have characters that are just crafters. and I have characters that can do everything. I haven't 'grinded skyshards' or skill points on any of them to get them where they are. I leveled them from questing.

probably 40-60 from jsut questing? well gg as Im jsut pissed to do same quest even 2nd time I play as I want how you are all saying to play how you like...so Im playing by doing more endgame content than jsut questin as thi questin os for me even worse than pure grind as it really boring for me to hear again and agian same dialogs how someone need help etc and doing exactly same to got just same end of all of this...its boring for me like same repeating dialogs of nps's which we hear just at belkarth wayshrine or in raw-khla

all I want is just be doing same harder conten twith friends but with different classes as we cant have real be as you want in other TES game where you could be ever class on single character

maybe then I will start thread with accountshare achievements as its my main problem why Im now her for account shaared skillpoints - cant have achievement so I look for something other to recompensate me for every new character which I have done on my main but cant get on my alts which even look same but only difference is class at which I dont care to complere content but just to have different gamplay

crjs1

It’s so odd that people get so grumpy about how others play, enjoy and define progress. It’s clear that many people don’t like endlessly refinding skyshsrds just so they can play as a different class. Why does that bother people so much? How does it impact anyone else’s roleplaying or immersion?

If people want to collect the same skyshsrd over and over with alts that’s totally fine but for those of us who would quite like a blast at a different class without the grind let us do that too. Account bound skyshards - for those who want them - just makes sense QoL wise.