Skyshards account bound

kathandira

TheShadowScout wrote: »

TheTombstone wrote: »

Why aren't skyshards account bound after you unlock ALL of them in a region?

Mostly because the skill points that come from them would give an hefty advantage to new characters, and we already have more then enough account-wide advantages through the champion system...

I disagree. By the time a newly created character hits 50, I usually have about 20+ Skill Points left over to spend. And that is before hunting Sky Shards.

Though this comes with the fact that I dedicate 1 character to Crafting. That is A LOT of Skill Points that don't need to be spent on a non-crafter character.

sulima

therift wrote: »

sulima wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

no idea why people are against this, it has zero effect on their playing the game.

There are probably 50 or 60 posts in this thread that shows that the addition of 143 skill points to every character (whether they get them at level 3 or level 50, or whenever) would completely unbalance the game.

I don't buy that, it would actually balance the game, strengthen player's game play with alts and make PVP more competitive and PVE more enjoyable.

if you got the shards once, why repeat the process? Make them account bound.

You may not 'buy it', but math is math. 2+2=4 everywhere in the universe. It has been clearly shown that free skill points would be a balance disaster.

I understand that you're thinking of your own convenience, but really... these are the easiest and fastest skill points to acquire in the game.

No it would not be a balance disaster. You're obsess with status quo, there is no such thing in real life why should such a thing find solace in a game. Things change, this game has gotten bigger and bigger and for some of us, redoing content is not enjoyable.

You're absolutely right it would be a convenience, that's the QoL proponents of this thread are asking for.

tmbrinks

sulima wrote: »

therift wrote: »

sulima wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

no idea why people are against this, it has zero effect on their playing the game.

There are probably 50 or 60 posts in this thread that shows that the addition of 143 skill points to every character (whether they get them at level 3 or level 50, or whenever) would completely unbalance the game.

I don't buy that, it would actually balance the game, strengthen player's game play with alts and make PVP more competitive and PVE more enjoyable.

if you got the shards once, why repeat the process? Make them account bound.

You may not 'buy it', but math is math. 2+2=4 everywhere in the universe. It has been clearly shown that free skill points would be a balance disaster.

I understand that you're thinking of your own convenience, but really... these are the easiest and fastest skill points to acquire in the game.

No it would not be a balance disaster. You're obsess with status quo, there is no such thing in real life why should such a thing find solace in a game. Things change, this game has gotten bigger and bigger and for some of us, redoing content is not enjoyable.

You're absolutely right it would be a convenience, that's the QoL proponents of this thread are asking for.

Please explain, why it would NOT be a balance disaster. I've literally only heard "it won't be a balance disaster" out of the people who want it... it's a "QoL improvement" with no actual substance to the argument. On the other hand, there have been dozens of arguments and specific examples of how it would unbalance the game.

And please refrain from using emotion, beliefs, or other opinions... facts; cold, hard, facts.

therift

sulima wrote: »

therift wrote: »

sulima wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

no idea why people are against this, it has zero effect on their playing the game.

There are probably 50 or 60 posts in this thread that shows that the addition of 143 skill points to every character (whether they get them at level 3 or level 50, or whenever) would completely unbalance the game.

I don't buy that, it would actually balance the game, strengthen player's game play with alts and make PVP more competitive and PVE more enjoyable.

if you got the shards once, why repeat the process? Make them account bound.

You may not 'buy it', but math is math. 2+2=4 everywhere in the universe. It has been clearly shown that free skill points would be a balance disaster.

I understand that you're thinking of your own convenience, but really... these are the easiest and fastest skill points to acquire in the game.

No it would not be a balance disaster. You're obsess with status quo, there is no such thing in real life why should such a thing find solace in a game. Things change, this game has gotten bigger and bigger and for some of us, redoing content is not enjoyable.

You're absolutely right it would be a convenience, that's the QoL proponents of this thread are asking for.

This thread is an endless circle.

Skyshards are the convenience option for easy skill points. Imagine if they did not exist. Imagine if every skill point were tied to character progression. I know you will continue to ignore the numerous posts demonstrating that free skill posts would unbalance the game, and I understand why you would want them regardless. Fortunately, these arguments are moot.

xxthir13enxx

I gotta shake my head at the people against shared skyshard points saying that they are Easy to collect...
Yes, we Know they are easy...That’s what makes it Pointless and Boring to Do over and over....been there done that...
Though, yes I would only want this on level 50+ characters...which yes I know it is easy to level too

therift

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

I gotta shake my head at the people against shared skyshard points saying that they are Easy to collect...
Yes, we Know they are easy...That’s what makes it Pointless and Boring to Do over and over....been there done that...
Though, yes I would only want this on level 50+ characters...which yes I know it is easy to level too

So...

Delete skyshards from the game. Move those skill points to questing and skill progression where they belong. Thus the aggravation of walking around to gain skill points is removed.

Smdh.

sulima

tmbrinks wrote: »

sulima wrote: »

therift wrote: »

sulima wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

no idea why people are against this, it has zero effect on their playing the game.

There are probably 50 or 60 posts in this thread that shows that the addition of 143 skill points to every character (whether they get them at level 3 or level 50, or whenever) would completely unbalance the game.

I don't buy that, it would actually balance the game, strengthen player's game play with alts and make PVP more competitive and PVE more enjoyable.

if you got the shards once, why repeat the process? Make them account bound.

You may not 'buy it', but math is math. 2+2=4 everywhere in the universe. It has been clearly shown that free skill points would be a balance disaster.

I understand that you're thinking of your own convenience, but really... these are the easiest and fastest skill points to acquire in the game.

No it would not be a balance disaster. You're obsess with status quo, there is no such thing in real life why should such a thing find solace in a game. Things change, this game has gotten bigger and bigger and for some of us, redoing content is not enjoyable.

You're absolutely right it would be a convenience, that's the QoL proponents of this thread are asking for.

Please explain, why it would NOT be a balance disaster. I've literally only heard "it won't be a balance disaster" out of the people who want it... it's a "QoL improvement" with no actual substance to the argument. On the other hand, there have been dozens of arguments and specific examples of how it would unbalance the game.

And please refrain from using emotion, beliefs, or other opinions... facts; cold, hard, facts.

Honestly friend...

Katheriah

therift wrote: »

2+2=4 everywhere in the universe.

That's quite an assumption.

tmbrinks

sulima wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

sulima wrote: »

therift wrote: »

sulima wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

no idea why people are against this, it has zero effect on their playing the game.

There are probably 50 or 60 posts in this thread that shows that the addition of 143 skill points to every character (whether they get them at level 3 or level 50, or whenever) would completely unbalance the game.

I don't buy that, it would actually balance the game, strengthen player's game play with alts and make PVP more competitive and PVE more enjoyable.

if you got the shards once, why repeat the process? Make them account bound.

You may not 'buy it', but math is math. 2+2=4 everywhere in the universe. It has been clearly shown that free skill points would be a balance disaster.

I understand that you're thinking of your own convenience, but really... these are the easiest and fastest skill points to acquire in the game.

No it would not be a balance disaster. You're obsess with status quo, there is no such thing in real life why should such a thing find solace in a game. Things change, this game has gotten bigger and bigger and for some of us, redoing content is not enjoyable.

You're absolutely right it would be a convenience, that's the QoL proponents of this thread are asking for.

Please explain, why it would NOT be a balance disaster. I've literally only heard "it won't be a balance disaster" out of the people who want it... it's a "QoL improvement" with no actual substance to the argument. On the other hand, there have been dozens of arguments and specific examples of how it would unbalance the game.

And please refrain from using emotion, beliefs, or other opinions... facts; cold, hard, facts.

Honestly friend...

The reason I'm using a tautology is the fact that you don't seem to be willing to answer the question. Maybe different wording would have helped. I guess I was wrong. It apparent the only reason you want skyshards account bound, is that you want skyshards account bound. You want a handout. Numerous people have pointed out specific examples of how this would be game breaking. I will continue to wait for you to provide specific reasons why it would not be game breaking.

Valrien

therift wrote: »

sulima wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

no idea why people are against this, it has zero effect on their playing the game.

There are probably 50 or 60 posts in this thread that shows that the addition of 143 skill points to every character (whether they get them at level 3 or level 50, or whenever) would completely unbalance the game.

I don't buy that, it would actually balance the game, strengthen player's game play with alts and make PVP more competitive and PVE more enjoyable.

if you got the shards once, why repeat the process? Make them account bound.

You may not 'buy it', but math is math. 2+2=4 everywhere in the universe. It has been clearly shown that free skill points would be a balance disaster.

I understand that you're thinking of your own convenience, but really... these are the easiest and fastest skill points to acquire in the game.

Where has it been shown that exactly?

Where is the proof that it would be a "balance disaster?"

SugaComa

Viscous119 wrote: »

This whole thread is about Millennials and selfies who don't want to work for their achievements like we ALL have done. Very shameful and quite disgusting. WORK for your accomplishments like we all have done.

I'm not a millennial, I have every skyshard in the game and nearly every single skill pint I have 3 or 4 left form ranks in cyrodil and I will have them all on my main.

When I create an alt I will run the dungeons and the quest lines to get skill points as I hate chasing skyshards

When I look at what acheivements I have done so far I would like to see my acheivements not my characters ... I am the one who ran over the whole of Tamriel collecting them all not my toon my toon was merely a graphical representation of me

I don't want to be having to get every acheivements multiple times to in order to mark them off ... So simply put you're wrong

tmbrinks

SugaComa wrote: »

Viscous119 wrote: »

This whole thread is about Millennials and selfies who don't want to work for their achievements like we ALL have done. Very shameful and quite disgusting. WORK for your accomplishments like we all have done.

I'm not a millennial, I have every skyshard in the game and nearly every single skill pint I have 3 or 4 left form ranks in cyrodil and I will have them all on my main.

When I create an alt I will run the dungeons and the quest lines to get skill points as I hate chasing skyshards

When I look at what acheivements I have done so far I would like to see my acheivements not my characters ... I am the one who ran over the whole of Tamriel collecting them all not my toon my toon was merely a graphical representation of me

I don't want to be having to get every acheivements multiple times to in order to mark them off ... So simply put you're wrong

The achievements don't matter... that's been suggested as should being account bound. It's the skill points that are attached to those skyshards that would break the balance.

Many of the arguments that are for skyshards being account bound have seemed to revolve around achievements, which is not the topic at hand. I've yet to see anybody explain how the skill points that will be received will not be overpowered, they keep coming back to achievements, which is an entirely different argument.

Sheezabeast

tmbrinks wrote: »

SugaComa wrote: »

Viscous119 wrote: »

This whole thread is about Millennials and selfies who don't want to work for their achievements like we ALL have done. Very shameful and quite disgusting. WORK for your accomplishments like we all have done.

I'm not a millennial, I have every skyshard in the game and nearly every single skill pint I have 3 or 4 left form ranks in cyrodil and I will have them all on my main.

When I create an alt I will run the dungeons and the quest lines to get skill points as I hate chasing skyshards

When I look at what acheivements I have done so far I would like to see my acheivements not my characters ... I am the one who ran over the whole of Tamriel collecting them all not my toon my toon was merely a graphical representation of me

I don't want to be having to get every acheivements multiple times to in order to mark them off ... So simply put you're wrong

The achievements don't matter... that's been suggested as should being account bound. It's the skill points that are attached to those skyshards that would break the balance.

Many of the arguments that are for skyshards being account bound have seemed to revolve around achievements, which is not the topic at hand. I've yet to see anybody explain how the skill points that will be received will not be overpowered, they keep coming back to achievements, which is an entirely different argument.

Crusism

Honestly, skyshards should be account bound; there's no sense of progression when making a new character to just be forced to collect skyshards to get the needed skills for our builds. It's repetitive and unnecessary for long-time players. It's honestly my biggest fear starting a new character because I have to judge whether I have the time to do all this skyshard collection grinding again.

Also, I think that having a new character with a lot of skillpoints would be a rewarding feeling for many long-time players to have; we did the work so we deserve that feeling. There aren't that many balance issues related to it either since CP is already account-bound and available to new characters, and that's had a bigger impact on low-level balancing.

Lastly, collecting skyshards = less game. When I'm rush collecting them for a new character, I feel so disengaged. I want to PLAY THE GAME. COMBAT. HOUSING. DUNGEONS. TRIALS. Collecting skyshards again really just means that I have more time to think "why the heck am I doing this?" because other games don't put me through this unrewarding repetitive garbage work (aside from Ubisoft games).

sulima

tmbrinks wrote: »

sulima wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

sulima wrote: »

therift wrote: »

sulima wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

no idea why people are against this, it has zero effect on their playing the game.

There are probably 50 or 60 posts in this thread that shows that the addition of 143 skill points to every character (whether they get them at level 3 or level 50, or whenever) would completely unbalance the game.

I don't buy that, it would actually balance the game, strengthen player's game play with alts and make PVP more competitive and PVE more enjoyable.

if you got the shards once, why repeat the process? Make them account bound.

You may not 'buy it', but math is math. 2+2=4 everywhere in the universe. It has been clearly shown that free skill points would be a balance disaster.

I understand that you're thinking of your own convenience, but really... these are the easiest and fastest skill points to acquire in the game.

No it would not be a balance disaster. You're obsess with status quo, there is no such thing in real life why should such a thing find solace in a game. Things change, this game has gotten bigger and bigger and for some of us, redoing content is not enjoyable.

You're absolutely right it would be a convenience, that's the QoL proponents of this thread are asking for.

Please explain, why it would NOT be a balance disaster. I've literally only heard "it won't be a balance disaster" out of the people who want it... it's a "QoL improvement" with no actual substance to the argument. On the other hand, there have been dozens of arguments and specific examples of how it would unbalance the game.

And please refrain from using emotion, beliefs, or other opinions... facts; cold, hard, facts.

Honestly friend...

The reason I'm using a tautology is the fact that you don't seem to be willing to answer the question. Maybe different wording would have helped. I guess I was wrong. It apparent the only reason you want skyshards account bound, is that you want skyshards account bound. You want a handout. Numerous people have pointed out specific examples of how this would be game breaking. I will continue to wait for you to provide specific reasons why it would not be game breaking.

I see what you did there...

Going down the road of "game breaking" with you is a loosing proposition.

I could say to you that skills still need to be attained and do take time, and that some are gated through cool downs, quests, and DLCs to unlock etc, etc, etc.

There will be always be something for you to counter.

But as you said yourself - I just want a handout... therein lies the rub friend. I don't want to rehash old content on a new character, I can't keep up with the current content developers throws out there!

I commend you for playing a part in saving this game from the brink of extinction.

I tap out!

Crusism

I mean, ***, let's be honest: no ESO player wakes up in the morning feeling excited to "SPEND THE WHOLE DAY TO COLLECT SKYSHARDS FOR A NEW CHARACTER AGAIN, OH GOLLY".

That's insane. All you're doing is walking up to a glowing thing and clicking 'E' (or any other interact button) and then going on to the next, and most of us (if not all, especially the second time doing skyshard collection) use an add-on anyhow to cut the time down.

Any adult - in their right mind - doesn't have the time to redo this again and again. It was fun solving those pseudo-hints the first time, but jeez. This is Ubisoft content to have every new character need to do this.

PLEASE ZENIMAX. Let's just agree that your game is good and that you should let us be ENGAGED with it instead of running to skyshard map markers for a few hours and think, "what am I doing?".

AlnilamE

Crusism wrote: »

Lastly, collecting skyshards = less game. When I'm rush collecting them for a new character, I feel so disengaged. I want to PLAY THE GAME. COMBAT. HOUSING. DUNGEONS. TRIALS. Collecting skyshards again really just means that I have more time to think "why the heck am I doing this?" because other games don't put me through this unrewarding repetitive garbage work (aside from Ubisoft games).

Really? What games do you play?

Because:

Guild Wars 2: Collect Hero Points on every character. Discover the world on every character.
Black Desert Online: Grind skill points on every character (and boy do you need skill points if you want to be viable)
Secret World Legends: Nothing is shared between characters. You can grind enough skills to unlock all weapon trees, but that will take a long time.

Personally, I like grabbing a couple of skyshards when I'm waiting for something to happen and don't have time to quest. And of course, I participate in guild activities that take you all over the map, so skyshards just happen. It would be very sad to make a new character and just run across dead skyshards all over the map.

And as others have pointed out, if you like dungeons, leveling your character and completing the dungeons (which you were going to do anyway, right?) is going to give you the majority of the skyshards you need. You can fill in the gaps hunting skyshards if you like. Or quest. Or level PvP. It's your choice.

tmbrinks

Crusism wrote: »

Honestly, skyshards should be account bound; there's no sense of progression when making a new character to just be forced to collect skyshards to get the needed skills for our builds. It's repetitive and unnecessary for long-time players. It's honestly my biggest fear starting a new character because I have to judge whether I have the time to do all this skyshard collection grinding again.

Also, I think that having a new character with a lot of skillpoints would be a rewarding feeling for many long-time players to have; we did the work so we deserve that feeling. There aren't that many balance issues related to it either since CP is already account-bound and available to new characters, and that's had a bigger impact on low-level balancing.

Lastly, collecting skyshards = less game. When I'm rush collecting them for a new character, I feel so disengaged. I want to PLAY THE GAME. COMBAT. HOUSING. DUNGEONS. TRIALS. Collecting skyshards again really just means that I have more time to think "why the heck am I doing this?" because other games don't put me through this unrewarding repetitive garbage work (aside from Ubisoft games).

You do not need to collect skyshards to make a viable build. Thus, you do not need skyshards to be account bound. You are not forced to collect them, there are other ways to get the skill points.

Guess what does give you skill points? Running Dungeons. Running Public Dungeons. Questing. You know... PLAYING THE GAME.

Tandor

sulima wrote: »

But as you said yourself - I just want a handout... therein lies the rub friend. I don't want to rehash old content on a new character, I can't keep up with the current content developers throws out there!

Then either don't roll a new character that you're not interested in playing fully (perhaps trying out builds on the PTS instead), or else lobby for a token in the crown store that will give you the QoL improvement you seek in the form of a fully maxed character, rather than seeking to change the gameplay structure in a form that goes way beyond a "QoL improvement".

tmbrinks

sulima wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

sulima wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

sulima wrote: »

therift wrote: »

sulima wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

no idea why people are against this, it has zero effect on their playing the game.

There are probably 50 or 60 posts in this thread that shows that the addition of 143 skill points to every character (whether they get them at level 3 or level 50, or whenever) would completely unbalance the game.

I don't buy that, it would actually balance the game, strengthen player's game play with alts and make PVP more competitive and PVE more enjoyable.

if you got the shards once, why repeat the process? Make them account bound.

You may not 'buy it', but math is math. 2+2=4 everywhere in the universe. It has been clearly shown that free skill points would be a balance disaster.

I understand that you're thinking of your own convenience, but really... these are the easiest and fastest skill points to acquire in the game.

No it would not be a balance disaster. You're obsess with status quo, there is no such thing in real life why should such a thing find solace in a game. Things change, this game has gotten bigger and bigger and for some of us, redoing content is not enjoyable.

You're absolutely right it would be a convenience, that's the QoL proponents of this thread are asking for.

Please explain, why it would NOT be a balance disaster. I've literally only heard "it won't be a balance disaster" out of the people who want it... it's a "QoL improvement" with no actual substance to the argument. On the other hand, there have been dozens of arguments and specific examples of how it would unbalance the game.

And please refrain from using emotion, beliefs, or other opinions... facts; cold, hard, facts.

Honestly friend...

The reason I'm using a tautology is the fact that you don't seem to be willing to answer the question. Maybe different wording would have helped. I guess I was wrong. It apparent the only reason you want skyshards account bound, is that you want skyshards account bound. You want a handout. Numerous people have pointed out specific examples of how this would be game breaking. I will continue to wait for you to provide specific reasons why it would not be game breaking.

I see what you did there...

Going down the road of "game breaking" with you is a loosing proposition.

I could say to you that skills still need to be attained and do take time, and that some are gated through cool downs, quests, and DLCs to unlock etc, etc, etc.

There will be always be something for you to counter.

But as you said yourself - I just want a handout... therein lies the rub friend. I don't want to rehash old content on a new character, I can't keep up with the current content developers throws out there!

I commend you for playing a part in saving this game from the brink of extinction.

I tap out!

bye.

SugaComa

tmbrinks wrote: »

SugaComa wrote: »

Viscous119 wrote: »

This whole thread is about Millennials and selfies who don't want to work for their achievements like we ALL have done. Very shameful and quite disgusting. WORK for your accomplishments like we all have done.

I'm not a millennial, I have every skyshard in the game and nearly every single skill pint I have 3 or 4 left form ranks in cyrodil and I will have them all on my main.

When I create an alt I will run the dungeons and the quest lines to get skill points as I hate chasing skyshards

When I look at what acheivements I have done so far I would like to see my acheivements not my characters ... I am the one who ran over the whole of Tamriel collecting them all not my toon my toon was merely a graphical representation of me

I don't want to be having to get every acheivements multiple times to in order to mark them off ... So simply put you're wrong

The achievements don't matter... that's been suggested as should being account bound. It's the skill points that are attached to those skyshards that would break the balance.

Many of the arguments that are for skyshards being account bound have seemed to revolve around achievements, which is not the topic at hand. I've yet to see anybody explain how the skill points that will be received will not be overpowered, they keep coming back to achievements, which is an entirely different argument.

Make the skill points purchasable for gold in ever increasing increments ... That way it will become a gold sink

You can only buy if your account has the acheivements for that zone

You can even add in that the character has to complete the delves to collect an item from the boss that allows the sale to happen so it not just a case of go to zone and buy for really rich players

This players still have to do something to get the skill points not just have them handed over ... In fact it might actually make replaying some of the content worth doing ... Cos while I agree the collecting skyshard for skill point or just an achievement is a ball ache ... Doing the quests for most parts is fun

tmbrinks

SugaComa wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

SugaComa wrote: »

Viscous119 wrote: »

This whole thread is about Millennials and selfies who don't want to work for their achievements like we ALL have done. Very shameful and quite disgusting. WORK for your accomplishments like we all have done.

I'm not a millennial, I have every skyshard in the game and nearly every single skill pint I have 3 or 4 left form ranks in cyrodil and I will have them all on my main.

When I create an alt I will run the dungeons and the quest lines to get skill points as I hate chasing skyshards

When I look at what acheivements I have done so far I would like to see my acheivements not my characters ... I am the one who ran over the whole of Tamriel collecting them all not my toon my toon was merely a graphical representation of me

I don't want to be having to get every acheivements multiple times to in order to mark them off ... So simply put you're wrong

The achievements don't matter... that's been suggested as should being account bound. It's the skill points that are attached to those skyshards that would break the balance.

Many of the arguments that are for skyshards being account bound have seemed to revolve around achievements, which is not the topic at hand. I've yet to see anybody explain how the skill points that will be received will not be overpowered, they keep coming back to achievements, which is an entirely different argument.

Make the skill points purchasable for gold in ever increasing increments ... That way it will become a gold sink

You can only buy if your account has the acheivements for that zone

You can even add in that the character has to complete the delves to collect an item from the boss that allows the sale to happen so it not just a case of go to zone and buy for really rich players

This players still have to do something to get the skill points not just have them handed over ... In fact it might actually make replaying some of the content worth doing ... Cos while I agree the collecting skyshard for skill point or just an achievement is a ball ache ... Doing the quests for most parts is fun

This is one of the first (I may have missed some on the 20 pages previous) reasonable requests in order to do this. Had this been a year ago, I probably would have quickly agreed (as long as the cost was still some reasonable sacrifice, say like 50-100k a zone or something, enough so that everybody wouldn't just be able to buy them all, but enough that end-game players would be able to afford, if they wanted to avoid the grind) However, now that ZoS explicitly supports trading crowns for gold, I'd be skeptical, since it borders on P2W, as skill points do make your character stronger.

Personally, I'm still against it for that reason, that you can just buy gold (via Crowns), but at least there's some reasoning behind it, and some work.

sulima

Tandor wrote: »

sulima wrote: »

But as you said yourself - I just want a handout... therein lies the rub friend. I don't want to rehash old content on a new character, I can't keep up with the current content developers throws out there!

Then either don't roll a new character that you're not interested in playing fully (perhaps trying out builds on the PTS instead), or else lobby for a token in the crown store that will give you the QoL improvement you seek in the form of a fully maxed character, rather than seeking to change the gameplay structure in a form that goes way beyond a "QoL improvement".

Thank you Tandor for setting me straight, what was I thinking!

heaven13

SugaComa wrote: »

Viscous119 wrote: »

This whole thread is about Millennials and selfies who don't want to work for their achievements like we ALL have done. Very shameful and quite disgusting. WORK for your accomplishments like we all have done.

I'm not a millennial, I have every skyshard in the game and nearly every single skill pint I have 3 or 4 left form ranks in cyrodil and I will have them all on my main.

When I create an alt I will run the dungeons and the quest lines to get skill points as I hate chasing skyshards

When I look at what acheivements I have done so far I would like to see my acheivements not my characters ... I am the one who ran over the whole of Tamriel collecting them all not my toon my toon was merely a graphical representation of me

I don't want to be having to get every acheivements multiple times to in order to mark them off ... So simply put you're wrong

If your character is a graphical representation of yourself, why do you need more than one? You don't. And therefore if you choose to have multiple characters you choose whether to get achievements for them all or not since achievements serve no functional purpose.

Skyshards are skillpoints. It's why they exist. Wanting them given to all alts is mainly for this reason.

SugaComa wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

SugaComa wrote: »

Viscous119 wrote: »

This whole thread is about Millennials and selfies who don't want to work for their achievements like we ALL have done. Very shameful and quite disgusting. WORK for your accomplishments like we all have done.

I'm not a millennial, I have every skyshard in the game and nearly every single skill pint I have 3 or 4 left form ranks in cyrodil and I will have them all on my main.

When I create an alt I will run the dungeons and the quest lines to get skill points as I hate chasing skyshards

When I look at what acheivements I have done so far I would like to see my acheivements not my characters ... I am the one who ran over the whole of Tamriel collecting them all not my toon my toon was merely a graphical representation of me

I don't want to be having to get every acheivements multiple times to in order to mark them off ... So simply put you're wrong

The achievements don't matter... that's been suggested as should being account bound. It's the skill points that are attached to those skyshards that would break the balance.

Many of the arguments that are for skyshards being account bound have seemed to revolve around achievements, which is not the topic at hand. I've yet to see anybody explain how the skill points that will be received will not be overpowered, they keep coming back to achievements, which is an entirely different argument.

Make the skill points purchasable for gold in ever increasing increments ... That way it will become a gold sink

You can only buy if your account has the acheivements for that zone

You can even add in that the character has to complete the delves to collect an item from the boss that allows the sale to happen so it not just a case of go to zone and buy for really rich players

This players still have to do something to get the skill points not just have them handed over ... In fact it might actually make replaying some of the content worth doing ... Cos while I agree the collecting skyshard for skill point or just an achievement is a ball ache ... Doing the quests for most parts is fun

Not unreasonable, but unlikely. IF this were to ever happen, I imagine it'd be crowns only, much like horse training. You can either do it again, the slow way, or pay RL money to circumvent the gameplay. That said, as pointed out by tmbrinks, there's a gold-to-crown market so you could still use gold. As long as someone is paying real money, Zo$ might do it.

SugaComa

heaven13 wrote: »

SugaComa wrote: »

Viscous119 wrote: »

This whole thread is about Millennials and selfies who don't want to work for their achievements like we ALL have done. Very shameful and quite disgusting. WORK for your accomplishments like we all have done.

I'm not a millennial, I have every skyshard in the game and nearly every single skill pint I have 3 or 4 left form ranks in cyrodil and I will have them all on my main.

When I create an alt I will run the dungeons and the quest lines to get skill points as I hate chasing skyshards

When I look at what acheivements I have done so far I would like to see my acheivements not my characters ... I am the one who ran over the whole of Tamriel collecting them all not my toon my toon was merely a graphical representation of me

I don't want to be having to get every acheivements multiple times to in order to mark them off ... So simply put you're wrong

If your character is a graphical representation of yourself, why do you need more than one? You don't. And therefore if you choose to have multiple characters you choose whether to get achievements for them all or not since achievements serve no functional purpose.

Skyshards are skillpoints. It's why they exist. Wanting them given to all alts is mainly for this reason.

SugaComa wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

SugaComa wrote: »

Viscous119 wrote: »

This whole thread is about Millennials and selfies who don't want to work for their achievements like we ALL have done. Very shameful and quite disgusting. WORK for your accomplishments like we all have done.

I'm not a millennial, I have every skyshard in the game and nearly every single skill pint I have 3 or 4 left form ranks in cyrodil and I will have them all on my main.

When I create an alt I will run the dungeons and the quest lines to get skill points as I hate chasing skyshards

When I look at what acheivements I have done so far I would like to see my acheivements not my characters ... I am the one who ran over the whole of Tamriel collecting them all not my toon my toon was merely a graphical representation of me

I don't want to be having to get every acheivements multiple times to in order to mark them off ... So simply put you're wrong

The achievements don't matter... that's been suggested as should being account bound. It's the skill points that are attached to those skyshards that would break the balance.

Many of the arguments that are for skyshards being account bound have seemed to revolve around achievements, which is not the topic at hand. I've yet to see anybody explain how the skill points that will be received will not be overpowered, they keep coming back to achievements, which is an entirely different argument.

Make the skill points purchasable for gold in ever increasing increments ... That way it will become a gold sink

You can only buy if your account has the acheivements for that zone

You can even add in that the character has to complete the delves to collect an item from the boss that allows the sale to happen so it not just a case of go to zone and buy for really rich players

This players still have to do something to get the skill points not just have them handed over ... In fact it might actually make replaying some of the content worth doing ... Cos while I agree the collecting skyshard for skill point or just an achievement is a ball ache ... Doing the quests for most parts is fun

Not unreasonable, but unlikely. IF this were to ever happen, I imagine it'd be crowns only, much like horse training. You can either do it again, the slow way, or pay RL money to circumvent the gameplay. That said, as pointed out by tmbrinks, there's a gold-to-crown market so you could still use gold. As long as someone is paying real money, Zo$ might do it.

Cos this 2018 and while some people identify as male, others female, some both , some even toaster ... I identify as high Templar some days and Breton warden others and God know how many other personalities my weird brain might concoct just stay relevant and help my be accepted by the youth of today as I grow old wither n die

Edziu

SugaComa wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

SugaComa wrote: »

Viscous119 wrote: »

This whole thread is about Millennials and selfies who don't want to work for their achievements like we ALL have done. Very shameful and quite disgusting. WORK for your accomplishments like we all have done.

I'm not a millennial, I have every skyshard in the game and nearly every single skill pint I have 3 or 4 left form ranks in cyrodil and I will have them all on my main.

When I create an alt I will run the dungeons and the quest lines to get skill points as I hate chasing skyshards

When I look at what acheivements I have done so far I would like to see my acheivements not my characters ... I am the one who ran over the whole of Tamriel collecting them all not my toon my toon was merely a graphical representation of me

I don't want to be having to get every acheivements multiple times to in order to mark them off ... So simply put you're wrong

If your character is a graphical representation of yourself, why do you need more than one? You don't. And therefore if you choose to have multiple characters you choose whether to get achievements for them all or not since achievements serve no functional purpose.

Skyshards are skillpoints. It's why they exist. Wanting them given to all alts is mainly for this reason.

SugaComa wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

SugaComa wrote: »

Viscous119 wrote: »

This whole thread is about Millennials and selfies who don't want to work for their achievements like we ALL have done. Very shameful and quite disgusting. WORK for your accomplishments like we all have done.

I'm not a millennial, I have every skyshard in the game and nearly every single skill pint I have 3 or 4 left form ranks in cyrodil and I will have them all on my main.

When I create an alt I will run the dungeons and the quest lines to get skill points as I hate chasing skyshards

When I look at what acheivements I have done so far I would like to see my acheivements not my characters ... I am the one who ran over the whole of Tamriel collecting them all not my toon my toon was merely a graphical representation of me

I don't want to be having to get every acheivements multiple times to in order to mark them off ... So simply put you're wrong

The achievements don't matter... that's been suggested as should being account bound. It's the skill points that are attached to those skyshards that would break the balance.

Many of the arguments that are for skyshards being account bound have seemed to revolve around achievements, which is not the topic at hand. I've yet to see anybody explain how the skill points that will be received will not be overpowered, they keep coming back to achievements, which is an entirely different argument.

Make the skill points purchasable for gold in ever increasing increments ... That way it will become a gold sink

You can only buy if your account has the acheivements for that zone

You can even add in that the character has to complete the delves to collect an item from the boss that allows the sale to happen so it not just a case of go to zone and buy for really rich players

This players still have to do something to get the skill points not just have them handed over ... In fact it might actually make replaying some of the content worth doing ... Cos while I agree the collecting skyshard for skill point or just an achievement is a ball ache ... Doing the quests for most parts is fun

Not unreasonable, but unlikely. IF this were to ever happen, I imagine it'd be crowns only, much like horse training. You can either do it again, the slow way, or pay RL money to circumvent the gameplay. That said, as pointed out by tmbrinks, there's a gold-to-crown market so you could still use gold. As long as someone is paying real money, Zo$ might do it.

Cos this 2018 and while some people identify as male, others female, some both , some even toaster ... I identify as high Templar some days and Breton warden others and God know how many other personalities my weird brain might concoct just stay relevant and help my be accepted by the youth of today as I grow old wither n die

and to this I will ad by myself I really like like most my playable character are looking very similiar if not same - so only thinkg changing for me between them are just use class skills where in TES universe we can be everything on single character but not in ESO...so them damn we can be everything on our account not character unfortunately and to this its would be great to have atlest option wit hlink character to another character to have same achievements as this is not matter for me if tihs is my alt ot my main,,I just play with mostly chars but only class is different

do you all hard defending lazy ESO mechanics though that if our ideas are breaing your immersion there also your ideas can also break our immersion playing this game

so if we want even jsut skyshards account bound and this is breaking your immersion then we have 2nd side of coind....yours shards per character are breaking our immersion, did you though in this way? now it looks like you are selfish as you see only negatives on this and unacceptable to make this accounshare

and about balance to get some more shards at start...well that was sayed even not only once with few examples like:
- more unbalanced are CP at 3lvl than shards which you could have unlocked only after hit 50lvl on char
- it would be great reward to these who have done it and have not time/fun etc collecting it again and again
- ofc QoL as this will not waste some player time who jsut want to play different class same content with their friends/guild without being forced to collect all over again by days and mostly solo

Iluvrien

Edziu wrote: »

do you all hard defending lazy ESO mechanics though that if our ideas are breaing your immersion there also your ideas can also break our immersion playing this game

so if we want even jsut skyshards account bound and this is breaking your immersion then we have 2nd side of coind....yours shards per character are breaking our immersion, did you though in this way? now it looks like you are selfish as you see only negatives on this and unacceptable to make this accounshare

These aren't our ideas.

These are systems already in the game.

If character-based skyshards is breaking your immersion then it is already doing so.

You are talking about changing a system that a proportion of people are happy with, because you aren't, even though you have accepted the situation long enough to level characters and decide that this is an issue... and you have the gall to suggest other people are being the selfish ones?

... I just can't even.

Edziu

Iluvrien wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

do you all hard defending lazy ESO mechanics though that if our ideas are breaing your immersion there also your ideas can also break our immersion playing this game

so if we want even jsut skyshards account bound and this is breaking your immersion then we have 2nd side of coind....yours shards per character are breaking our immersion, did you though in this way? now it looks like you are selfish as you see only negatives on this and unacceptable to make this accounshare

These aren't our ideas.

These are systems already in the game.

If character-based skyshards is breaking your immersion then it is already doing so.

You are talking about changing a system that a proportion of people are happy with, because you aren't, even though you have accepted the situation long enough to level characters and decide that this is an issue... and you have the gall to suggest other people are being the selfish ones?

... I just can't even.

well ok, this system is aalready in game but what I mean we have an idea to improvement our quality of playing just to have more fun of playing this game while many other player dont even want to thing about this option to us because this change will break their immersion so this was what I mean about selfish ones and most of them are trying to hide behind "balance defending" which have nothing to this especially as we have CP accoun shared

Minyassa

Too many skill points showered onto new toons all at once.

AlnilamE

SugaComa wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

SugaComa wrote: »

Viscous119 wrote: »

This whole thread is about Millennials and selfies who don't want to work for their achievements like we ALL have done. Very shameful and quite disgusting. WORK for your accomplishments like we all have done.

I'm not a millennial, I have every skyshard in the game and nearly every single skill pint I have 3 or 4 left form ranks in cyrodil and I will have them all on my main.

When I create an alt I will run the dungeons and the quest lines to get skill points as I hate chasing skyshards

When I look at what acheivements I have done so far I would like to see my acheivements not my characters ... I am the one who ran over the whole of Tamriel collecting them all not my toon my toon was merely a graphical representation of me

I don't want to be having to get every acheivements multiple times to in order to mark them off ... So simply put you're wrong

If your character is a graphical representation of yourself, why do you need more than one? You don't. And therefore if you choose to have multiple characters you choose whether to get achievements for them all or not since achievements serve no functional purpose.

Skyshards are skillpoints. It's why they exist. Wanting them given to all alts is mainly for this reason.

SugaComa wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

SugaComa wrote: »

Viscous119 wrote: »

This whole thread is about Millennials and selfies who don't want to work for their achievements like we ALL have done. Very shameful and quite disgusting. WORK for your accomplishments like we all have done.

I'm not a millennial, I have every skyshard in the game and nearly every single skill pint I have 3 or 4 left form ranks in cyrodil and I will have them all on my main.

When I create an alt I will run the dungeons and the quest lines to get skill points as I hate chasing skyshards

When I look at what acheivements I have done so far I would like to see my acheivements not my characters ... I am the one who ran over the whole of Tamriel collecting them all not my toon my toon was merely a graphical representation of me

I don't want to be having to get every acheivements multiple times to in order to mark them off ... So simply put you're wrong

The achievements don't matter... that's been suggested as should being account bound. It's the skill points that are attached to those skyshards that would break the balance.

Many of the arguments that are for skyshards being account bound have seemed to revolve around achievements, which is not the topic at hand. I've yet to see anybody explain how the skill points that will be received will not be overpowered, they keep coming back to achievements, which is an entirely different argument.

Make the skill points purchasable for gold in ever increasing increments ... That way it will become a gold sink

You can only buy if your account has the acheivements for that zone

You can even add in that the character has to complete the delves to collect an item from the boss that allows the sale to happen so it not just a case of go to zone and buy for really rich players

This players still have to do something to get the skill points not just have them handed over ... In fact it might actually make replaying some of the content worth doing ... Cos while I agree the collecting skyshard for skill point or just an achievement is a ball ache ... Doing the quests for most parts is fun

Not unreasonable, but unlikely. IF this were to ever happen, I imagine it'd be crowns only, much like horse training. You can either do it again, the slow way, or pay RL money to circumvent the gameplay. That said, as pointed out by tmbrinks, there's a gold-to-crown market so you could still use gold. As long as someone is paying real money, Zo$ might do it.

Cos this 2018 and while some people identify as male, others female, some both , some even toaster ... I identify as high Templar some days and Breton warden others and God know how many other personalities my weird brain might concoct just stay relevant and help my be accepted by the youth of today as I grow old wither n die

You could have spared yourself the transphobic crap. I'm sure you think reducing someone's identity to an RP joke is funny, but it really isn't.