Please go back to 20 day rewards.

Bashev

Yes. Please bring back 20 days rewards. I think that Gina posted in the past that they will not force us to 30 day logins.

badmojo

lnsane wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »

@TheRealPotoroo " Demanding that ZoS give you extra rewards because you are in a position to log in every day is the definition of entitlement and it's ugly."

You seem to be missing something. No one has "demanded" anything. As I've previously stated, these are extra perks. Incentives to log in. There is no entitlement. A person is still given a log in reward regardless of how many times they log in. Those that log in more receive more rewards. I see nothing "ugly" about that. Personally, there have been times I couldn't log in during the month. It doesn't stress me out or make me angry. Nor do I think that anyone should receive less than they are eligible for because I didn't log in.
And again you attempt to speak for everyone: " people do want the free Legendary more than anything". This may be true for you but not others. I don't really care if I get it or not. Is it nice? Sure. But it's not my personal motivation. I see these things as extras. I feel no real "pressure".

Now you're just arguing for the sake of it. Blood oath people want the Legendary more than anything, which is why it's on the last day of the month and why the forums go berserk when the system fails or what ever. This is fact and you pretending to be an island of disinterest doesn't disprove anything. The very fact people are claiming that not having a login reward every single day without fail is proof of the entitlement you say isn't there. Calling it punishment that they don't get a reward that doesn't exist because the system doesn't reward them the way they insist they should be is entitlement, entitlement, entitlement. A game of this nature should accommodate the fact that most people have lives and they aren't going to log in every day of every week of every month of every year. ESO has always been better for not going down that route and it should never go that route.

There's a coffee-shop in my area that stamps off a card whenever I get something there. If I fill it up, I get a free cup of coffee and a slice of apple pie. It's the 1st of October now, and I went in this morning to get a cup of coffee and my last stamp - only to find out the card was a special promotion for the month of September.

Do I have a right to complain? No. Am I entitled to that coffee and pie just because I was only one stamp off(!), and so you could argue that including today's cup I was practically already there? No. Should future cards need less stamps to fill up? That's totally up to them, but as far as I'm concerned: no.

The coffee-shop's reward (as well as ZOS') is not a service I am entitled to, nor do I have a right to enjoy its benefits. It's there to give a little extra to those visitors (or players) that come in (or log in) on a regular basis. If you do not belong to that category, then that is not the coffee-shop's (or ZOS') fault. You're the only one with the power to do something about it. And if you don't want to - or can't - for whatever reason, then that's too bad. But it's not something you can expect the coffee-shop (or ZOS) to accommodate for either.

I go to a shawarma shop around the corner that did the same thing. For nearly a year I would fill up their cards and get my free shawarma, then one day I went in and presented my card for a free one and was told they stopped that promotion. No problem, its their system, they can do whatever they want and end it at any time. But it did have a direct effect on how often I go there now. The fact that I got my card stamped 9 times expecting it would lead to a free shawarma only to have the rug pulled out from under me at the last minute did leave a bad taste in my mouth.

If they wanted to avoid disappointing customers like me it would have been easy enough for them to honor existing cards while not issuing new ones. At least for a few months.

Its the same deal with the daily rewards, if people make the effort to login daily for most of a month and then something as uncontrollable as a hurricane prevents them from logging in for a few days, which prevents them from getting the reward they were interested in, there is a good chance they will start to feel negatively about daily rewards and the process required to get them. It stops feeling like you are being given free stuff and starts to feel like you are being punished harshly for missing a day.

It might be fine this month, with less desirable rewards at the end, but ZOS has not always been consistent, so who knows what next month or the month after will look like. I and others voiced these concerns when the system was first annonced so please don't assume we are just upset because we missed some specific reward recently. Some months I miss lots of daily rewards, other times I clear them all, but in both cases I have the same concerns about these mechanics in any videogame. I voice these concerns not as an ESO player specifically, I voice them as an armchair geme developer.

jainiadral

Grimm13 wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_JessicaFolsom , @ZOS_RichLambert

ZOS have a 7th day reward be a free daily reward one day completion token, like the ride lesson or research scroll. Make it bind on pickup and stack-able. Players can choose when to redeem, such as saving up for a vacation time or missed because of nature and still possibly get a completed month. (If they have enough tokens and logins for the month).

This is a cool idea

ForfiniteStories

Fakyy wrote: »

All you need to do is log in for 5 minutes and claim the reward each day, if you can’t do that, then I don’t see how you play the game at all.

We did do that, but there wasn't enough days in the month to acquire the final two rewards.

ForfiniteStories

VaranisArano wrote: »

Better get your logins figured out before November with Murkmire as a reward. That has actual value in Crowns.

No one asked ZOS for daily rewards but they did them anyway.

I suspect that this Murkmire DLC is just a tease, much like the 100K. I'm not going to log in everyday knowing that I probably won't get it.

Disappointed, I am now refraining from logging in at all if I don't feel like actually playing. Not if they are going to do underhanded crud like this.

Royaji

ForfiniteStories wrote: »

Fakyy wrote: »

All you need to do is log in for 5 minutes and claim the reward each day, if you can’t do that, then I don’t see how you play the game at all.

We did do that, but there wasn't enough days in the month to acquire the final two rewards.

The cycle in "Septmeber" (only matches calendar september for UTC timezone) was 30 days. There were 28 rewards. You could have skipped two days without losing any rewards. Missing two final rewards means you've skipped 4 days.

Azariiel_Lunataris

ForfiniteStories wrote: »

Fakyy wrote: »

All you need to do is log in for 5 minutes and claim the reward each day, if you can’t do that, then I don’t see how you play the game at all.

We did do that, but there wasn't enough days in the month to acquire the final two rewards.

So you logged in for 26 out of 30 days, hence no final 2 rewards.

ForfiniteStories wrote: »

I suspect that this Murkmire DLC is just a tease, much like the 100K. I'm not going to log in everyday knowing that I probably won't get it.

Disappointed, I am now refraining from logging in at all if I don't feel like actually playing. Not if they are going to do underhanded crud like this.

Good idea. I'd recommend studying basic mathematics and the Gregorian calendar to ease your login reward frustrations

huntgod_ESO

ForfiniteStories wrote: »

Fakyy wrote: »

All you need to do is log in for 5 minutes and claim the reward each day, if you can’t do that, then I don’t see how you play the game at all.

We did do that, but there wasn't enough days in the month to acquire the final two rewards.

Are you in another dimension where there were fewer days in the month?

There were absolutely sufficient days to login in and get each reward.

If you did not get all the rewards, you failed to login each day AFTER 7pm CST.

Lieblingsjunge

They should just add a catch-up mechanic. If you can't play for 10 days, if you do xxx daily quests/get 20k AP/Do random group finder/something, you get 1 daily reward + the one for the first day you missed.

Next day you get 1 daily reward + if you do something in-game you get +1 daily reward from the 2nd day you missed and so on.

By using your logic, I can say "I can log in every day. Why should I be punished because some can't?" because taking away a week's free stuff from me, because *you* can't get it, seems kinda dumb to me.

RedRook

Lol. You realize what you're saying is that it's better nobody get any log-in stuff for several days than that a lot of people get something - a small pile of AP or whatever - on those extra days because you feel bad you couldn't log in.

Wow. They probably shouldn't save the biggest and best prize for last, I guess, but that's really an awful, self-centered POV.

Edit: Sorry, that was harsher than I meant it to be. Maybe look for a solution that has lower impact on all the people who aren't you though, yes?

Danikat

Reverb wrote: »

I dislike the moral superiority being thrown around here by many posters supporting a shorter rewards cycle. The idea that there should be fewer rewards because some people "have real lives" is dismissive and disrespectful. People who log in every day have real lives too.

Well when the alternative is being told you're lazy, greedy and entitled because you can't log into a video game every single day I don't think it's surprising that people will try to emphasise that they had valid reasons for missing days.

Although considering one of the reasons given is that a hurricane hit the east coast of the USA I'm not sure I'd call it 'moral superiority'. I mean I know there's a lot of stereotypes about Americans thinking they're better than everyone else, but that's taking it a bit far.

badmojo

Weren't the daily rewards introduced to encourage casual players to login more regularly? A 28 out of 30 day requirement turns it into a giveaway for only the most loyal players, dedicated players who already login regularly.

It just seems pointless to incentivise players who were already playing daily.

Alpheu5

O_LYKOS wrote: »

While I agree with most. Logging in everyday and getting said rewards is a bonus. It's something those who do log in daily are rewarded with. They've earned it.

Same with anything else. People complete content and get the necessary loot/rewards. Because they've earned it.

Except the Maw skin is still available 2+ years later.

jainiadral

Danikat wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

I dislike the moral superiority being thrown around here by many posters supporting a shorter rewards cycle. The idea that there should be fewer rewards because some people "have real lives" is dismissive and disrespectful. People who log in every day have real lives too.

Well when the alternative is being told you're lazy, greedy and entitled because you can't log into a video game every single day I don't think it's surprising that people will try to emphasise that they had valid reasons for missing days.

Although considering one of the reasons given is that a hurricane hit the east coast of the USA I'm not sure I'd call it 'moral superiority'. I mean I know there's a lot of stereotypes about Americans thinking they're better than everyone else, but that's taking it a bit far.

There is an alternative, and that's not slandering an entire segment of the game's population simply because you can't log in. But, hey, everything's black and white. Either/or. No one is anywhere in the middle or capable of being flexible.

I'm sorry, but I don't appreciate being told I have "no real life" simply because I can log in every day. That's not cool. At all.

What_In_Tarnation

I really think Instead of going back to 20 day rewards, how about put the biggest reward in 3rd week (21th day) and then the rest of days will still be some little rewards (poison, potion, experience scroll, 500 gold..e.t.c.) that even you missed it, you still get the biggest one already. And the rest of players can still get their reward by logining everyday. All you need to do is just adjust daily reward sequence.

Elsonso

jcmlongb16_ESO wrote: »

I would like to see it go to 28-31 day rewards to reward the players that do log in each day.

This is what I thought they would be doing, and what they eventually need to strive for. There should be something on that page for every calendar day of the year, one month at a time.

EvilAutoTech

You can't please all of the people all of the time.

Fewer days with rewards is not good for those who can and do log in everyday.

Having a reward for everyday that goes away when the next one is available would lead to massive log ins on days with great prizes but fewer people claiming consumables.

If you put qualifiers on getting those big rewards, like you must have claimed a percentage of the previously available rewards, then some people will still miss out through no fault of their own.

My take on it is that if you want the rewards, meet the requirements. ZOS will administer the program how they see fit but if there are enough complaint threads created about it, they might just scrap it altogether.

Starlock

MMOs are known for feeding gaming addiction and compulsive gaming. Elder Scrolls Online certainly bears many of the hallmarks of that. One of the things that made me okay with the daily login reward system was that it wasn't set up to require logging on every single day to claim the rewards for that month. I figured September was going to be an exception to the rule, but now October has rolled around and this is apparently not the case. I fully agree that login rewards should be three weeks of the month, not four.

anadandy

Just to ease the rampant speculation about Murmikre DLC reward, ZOS tweeted a while ago that it will be the login reward for Black Friday - which is the 23rd of November. I assume that means you would only have to log 23 days in November to get the "big prize."

https://twitter.com/TESOnline/status/1042051421892431873

So all of y'all "with real lives" (that argument kills me) have a week of wiggle room.

NolaArch

If you can’t log in because of work, family, no power, travel, or your dog ate the power cord, oh well. Not getting a reward is not a punishment. A punishment would be if they took 100k or a dlc away from you if you didn’t log in. If you have real life responsibilities that force you to go be an adult out in the real world, go handle that and stop worrying about your digital “prize” in a video game you play. It just isn’t that serious.

As someone else stated, it’s a clearly defined marketing system that encourages people to log in. No one is sitting in a room twisting their hands together like an evil villain, laughing at those who don’t get the big rewards. The rules of participation are clear and you are either able to fulfill them all or not. It is not unfair.

That being said, I would be all for a big reward sooner as that might lead to fewer entitlement threads.

badmojo

NolaArch wrote: »

If you can’t log in because of work, family, no power, travel, or your dog ate the power cord, oh well. Not getting a reward is not a punishment. A punishment would be if they took 100k or a dlc away from you if you didn’t log in. If you have real life responsibilities that force you to go be an adult out in the real world, go handle that and stop worrying about your digital “prize” in a video game you play. It just isn’t that serious.

As someone else stated, it’s a clearly defined marketing system that encourages people to log in. No one is sitting in a room twisting their hands together like an evil villain, laughing at those who don’t get the big rewards. The rules of participation are clear and you are either able to fulfill them all or not. It is not unfair.

That being said, I would be all for a big reward sooner as that might lead to fewer entitlement threads.

Is it not entitled to argue against change because you might lose out on half a dozen trash rewards every month?

Xajic

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Fakyy wrote: »

All you need to do is log in for 5 minutes and claim the reward each day, if you can’t do that, then I don’t see how you play the game at all.

Lol you cant be serious with this? .
So if I decide to travel to see my mother this weekend, I shouldn't be playing this game?

No you shouldn’t xD if you can’t log in a day and claim your reward, that’s on you. But the entire point of daily rewards being 25+ days is to REWARD players who log in every one of those days, just because you’re busy and can’t log in one or more of those days doesn’t mean we can’t have our rewards for logging in all of them.

summitxho

While I am not all that worried about losing out on the daily rewards, I did find something interesting when it came to Septembers 100K gold reward. I was going to try for it, but after life got busy and I forgot about the game a couple days and I would not longer be eligible for the reward, I found I was less likely to log in at all. September was my lowest playing month in quite some time. It almost had the opposite effect of trying to get me to log in everyday. I logged in even less than before once I knew I would miss out on that 100K.

MLGProPlayer

Fakyy wrote: »

All you need to do is log in for 5 minutes and claim the reward each day, if you can’t do that, then I don’t see how you play the game at all.

There are many ways you could miss a login window:

1. You travel for work
2. You work long hours, as in consulting or law (sometimes staying in the office late into the evening/night, or even sleeping at the office on particularly busy days)
3. You commute to work (many people in North America spend 1-2+ hours just driving home from work)
4. You go out for drinks/party after work and get home in the middle of the night/sleep over at a friend's house
5. You work rotating shifts (several days of day shift followed by several days of night shifts)

Not everyone works a standard 9-5 job and has no social life.

Xajic

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Fakyy wrote: »

All you need to do is log in for 5 minutes and claim the reward each day, if you can’t do that, then I don’t see how you play the game at all.

There are many ways you could miss a login window:

1. You travel for work
2. You work long hours, as in consulting or law (sometimes staying in the office late into the evening/night)
3. You commute to work (many people in North America spend 1-2+ hours just driving home from work)
4. You go out for drinks/party after work and get home in the middle of the night
5. You work rotating shifts (several days of day shift followed by several days of night shifts)

Not everyone works a standard 9-5 job and has no social life.

So you’re saying I have no social life because I can take 5 minutes from my day and log in and get my reward and some people can’t but they can take 5 minutes and write an entire post on the forums about how they can’t log in everyday because they’re so busy? Please xD

MLGProPlayer

NolaArch wrote: »

If you can’t log in because of work, family, no power, travel, or your dog ate the power cord, oh well. Not getting a reward is not a punishment. A punishment would be if they took 100k or a dlc away from you if you didn’t log in. If you have real life responsibilities that force you to go be an adult out in the real world, go handle that and stop worrying about your digital “prize” in a video game you play. It just isn’t that serious.

As someone else stated, it’s a clearly defined marketing system that encourages people to log in. No one is sitting in a room twisting their hands together like an evil villain, laughing at those who don’t get the big rewards. The rules of participation are clear and you are either able to fulfill them all or not. It is not unfair.

That being said, I would be all for a big reward sooner as that might lead to fewer entitlement threads.

Assuming the November reward is the full Murkmire DLC, that's $30 you have to spend out-of-pocket to buy the DLC if you can't login every day. It's kind of a big deal.

kwisatz

Are we going to have those crying posts every single month?

badmojo

Fakyy wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Fakyy wrote: »

All you need to do is log in for 5 minutes and claim the reward each day, if you can’t do that, then I don’t see how you play the game at all.

There are many ways you could miss a login window:

1. You travel for work
2. You work long hours, as in consulting or law (sometimes staying in the office late into the evening/night)
3. You commute to work (many people in North America spend 1-2+ hours just driving home from work)
4. You go out for drinks/party after work and get home in the middle of the night
5. You work rotating shifts (several days of day shift followed by several days of night shifts)

Not everyone works a standard 9-5 job and has no social life.

So you’re saying I have no social life because I can take 5 minutes from my day and log in and get my reward and some people can’t but they can take 5 minutes and write an entire post on the forums about how they can’t log in everyday because they’re so busy? Please xD

People can post to these forums from their phones, we can not claim the rewards from our phones...your point is not valid.

xan4silkb14_ESO

kwisatz wrote: »

Are we going to have those crying posts every single month?

Yes, in fact we are already crying about the hypothetical November reward before it's actually made clear what the requirements might be for it.

ZonasArch

Starlock wrote: »

MMOs are known for feeding gaming addiction and compulsive gaming. Elder Scrolls Online certainly bears many of the hallmarks of that. One of the things that made me okay with the daily login reward system was that it wasn't set up to require logging on every single day to claim the rewards for that month. I figured September was going to be an exception to the rule, but now October has rolled around and this is apparently not the case. I fully agree that login rewards should be three weeks of the month, not four.

How come October is the same as September? Last few days are just useless 2k AP, the bug rewards are 25 days, and half the big stuff you get in 21 days, with 3 crates early on, then 2, then 1, by day 25... They are being really nice about it. Saying it's the same just because you still get minor rewards after is just whining for the sake of whining.