Please go back to 20 day rewards.

summitxho

maybe a better option would be to keep the current 29 days or whatever it is, but put the premium stuff within the 20 day window. Those who cannot login everyday still get the premium offerings, those more hardcore who do login every day still get their benefits as well.

badmojo

ZonasArch wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

MMOs are known for feeding gaming addiction and compulsive gaming. Elder Scrolls Online certainly bears many of the hallmarks of that. One of the things that made me okay with the daily login reward system was that it wasn't set up to require logging on every single day to claim the rewards for that month. I figured September was going to be an exception to the rule, but now October has rolled around and this is apparently not the case. I fully agree that login rewards should be three weeks of the month, not four.

How come October is the same as September? Last few days are just useless 2k AP, the bug rewards are 25 days, and half the big stuff you get in 21 days, with 3 crates early on, then 2, then 1, by day 25... They are being really nice about it. Saying it's the same just because you still get minor rewards after is just whining for the sake of whining.

Honest question, if the last days are just useless AP rewards, why are people so defensive when removing them is suggested?

It is not written in stone that the last rewards of the month will always be useless junk.

ruikkarikun

True. Also give more crates, don't be greedy. Those aliance 1.5k points reward are joke.

MLGProPlayer

Fakyy wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Fakyy wrote: »

All you need to do is log in for 5 minutes and claim the reward each day, if you can’t do that, then I don’t see how you play the game at all.

There are many ways you could miss a login window:

1. You travel for work
2. You work long hours, as in consulting or law (sometimes staying in the office late into the evening/night)
3. You commute to work (many people in North America spend 1-2+ hours just driving home from work)
4. You go out for drinks/party after work and get home in the middle of the night
5. You work rotating shifts (several days of day shift followed by several days of night shifts)

Not everyone works a standard 9-5 job and has no social life.

So you’re saying I have no social life because I can take 5 minutes from my day and log in and get my reward and some people can’t but they can take 5 minutes and write an entire post on the forums about how they can’t log in everyday because they’re so busy? Please xD

You can't log in for 5 minutes in any of the (extremely common) scenarios I listed.

Just one night out will cause you to miss a login window. Go out a few times a month, and you're screwed out of the final reward.

But it's not just about social life. The other 4 reasons are all job-related.

NolaArch

badmojo wrote: »

Is it not entitled to argue against change because you might lose out on half a dozen trash rewards every month?

Nope. I don’t feel entitled to them. If there were 20 days vs 28, I couldn’t care less. The idea that the system system ought to change to accommodate those who don’t log in is what I don’t like. The system is fine as is, regardless of whether or not I get all of the rewards for that month. I’m also not arguing against change. I’m saying it’s fine as is and the arguments for changing because people can’t log in are weak and entitled. They’re putting a roadmap of free items before you. You either get them or you don’t. It’s not a punishment not to and it shouldn’t be adjusted so people who don’t log in regularly get daily log in rewards more regularly. It doesn’t make sense and defeats the purpose. They’re not sporadic log in rewards. They’re daily. Who cares if you miss out here and there? Jeez.

Swift_One

The fact that you have time to come here and complain about free stuff tells me you have time to log in every day.

NolaArch

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

NolaArch wrote: »

If you can’t log in because of work, family, no power, travel, or your dog ate the power cord, oh well. Not getting a reward is not a punishment. A punishment would be if they took 100k or a dlc away from you if you didn’t log in. If you have real life responsibilities that force you to go be an adult out in the real world, go handle that and stop worrying about your digital “prize” in a video game you play. It just isn’t that serious.

As someone else stated, it’s a clearly defined marketing system that encourages people to log in. No one is sitting in a room twisting their hands together like an evil villain, laughing at those who don’t get the big rewards. The rules of participation are clear and you are either able to fulfill them all or not. It is not unfair.

That being said, I would be all for a big reward sooner as that might lead to fewer entitlement threads.

Assuming the November reward is the full Murkmire DLC, that's $30 you have to spend out-of-pocket to buy the DLC if you can't login every day. It's kind of a big deal.

The real monetary value tied to that reward is a big deal as it could save people $30 they don't necessarily have to spend or would rather not. But that's an entirely different argument about priorities when it comes to spending money. That being said, I do think moving the big ticket rewards to the last week, but not the last day would be a good move. Especially when the reward has real world value.

badmojo

NolaArch wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

Is it not entitled to argue against change because you might lose out on half a dozen trash rewards every month?

Nope. I don’t feel entitled to them. If there were 20 days vs 28, I couldn’t care less. The idea that the system system ought to change to accommodate those who don’t log in is what I don’t like. The system is fine as is, regardless of whether or not I get all of the rewards for that month. I’m also not arguing against change. I’m saying it’s fine as is and the arguments for changing because people can’t log in are weak and entitled. They’re putting a roadmap of free items before you. You either get them or you don’t. It’s not a punishment not to and it shouldn’t be adjusted so people who don’t log in regularly get daily log in rewards more regularly. It doesn’t make sense and defeats the purpose. They’re not sporadic log in rewards. They’re daily. Who cares if you miss out here and there? Jeez.

When your stance is "leave it the way it is" you are arguing against change. Thats just the way it works.

My reason for supporting a 20 day cycle is because I dont want a game I play to include a mechanic that makes it feel like I have to be a slave to it. Playing a game for 20 out of 31 days in a month would be considered pretty hardcore to most people in this world.

idk

The idea is to encourage players to log in. Not log in from time to time, but pretty much every day.

Number_51

badmojo wrote: »

Fakyy wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Fakyy wrote: »

All you need to do is log in for 5 minutes and claim the reward each day, if you can’t do that, then I don’t see how you play the game at all.

There are many ways you could miss a login window:

1. You travel for work
2. You work long hours, as in consulting or law (sometimes staying in the office late into the evening/night)
3. You commute to work (many people in North America spend 1-2+ hours just driving home from work)
4. You go out for drinks/party after work and get home in the middle of the night
5. You work rotating shifts (several days of day shift followed by several days of night shifts)

Not everyone works a standard 9-5 job and has no social life.

So you’re saying I have no social life because I can take 5 minutes from my day and log in and get my reward and some people can’t but they can take 5 minutes and write an entire post on the forums about how they can’t log in everyday because they’re so busy? Please xD

People can post to these forums from their phones, we can not claim the rewards from our phones...your point is not valid.

PS4 (Remote Play - Vita - PS TV) master race!?

KyraCROgnon

I liked their initial approach that 'don't worry if you can't log every single day, you're allowed some miss". Had surgery in august, still had plenty of time to get to the big reward. Previously also had a 4 day business trip away from home, still ok. Here if i had to go a 3 day trip i would have missed the biggest reward !

This month, if they had piled the 5 last days of AP into a single big handout, result would be the same for compulsive players and still let casual / people with obligations away from home get it !

So please @ZOS_GinaBruno , pass the message to ESO to remember their initial approach to the monthly reward !

Daily quest reset are enough of an incentive for dedicated players to log everyday, but don't punish those that can't . 25 days of rewards seems like the max to me

SSlarg

Uh, No.

Just No.

anadandy

If I recall correctly - the only reason they did the short month before was because there were technical issues with people obtaining the rewards. I don't think it was their intention from the start.

My two cents: Barring ZOS side technical issues, if a player can't login the required number of days, regardless of how valid the reason, then perhaps a program called daily login rewards is not for them. I've missed plenty of rewards/free crate events because life happens - it is what it is.

And as I posted above, it looks like Murkmire reward only requires 23 days of logging - so they are trying...

lagrue

Honestly some days I can't "play" yet I find time to press all of 5 buttons to login while I do something else... Dishes, brushing teeth, cleaning - you name it, I've logged in while doing it.

Every game that has a login system, that I've ever seen, faces the exact same complaint. People who allegedly "cannot" by any means login daily... I call BS. Unless you're living out of your house many days a month, like a truck driver or something, then chances are near 100% that you're home long enough on a daily basis to get a login.

I don't care if you have 3 jobs and 5 kids - you STILL have 30 seconds to login. If you claim you don't, then chances are you don't care about the login rewards enough to MAKE time... or *gasp* multitask so you don't actually lose any time.

The solution isn't the punish people who do make time - it's for you to just not get login rewards, plain and simple.

lagrue

badmojo wrote: »

ZonasArch wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

MMOs are known for feeding gaming addiction and compulsive gaming. Elder Scrolls Online certainly bears many of the hallmarks of that. One of the things that made me okay with the daily login reward system was that it wasn't set up to require logging on every single day to claim the rewards for that month. I figured September was going to be an exception to the rule, but now October has rolled around and this is apparently not the case. I fully agree that login rewards should be three weeks of the month, not four.

How come October is the same as September? Last few days are just useless 2k AP, the bug rewards are 25 days, and half the big stuff you get in 21 days, with 3 crates early on, then 2, then 1, by day 25... They are being really nice about it. Saying it's the same just because you still get minor rewards after is just whining for the sake of whining.

Honest question, if the last days are just useless AP rewards, why are people so defensive when removing them is suggested?

It's not that the AP is being removed - it's that a day of login is being removed. I can say from personal experience it sucked hard in August to have something like 10 days of no login rewards because I got them all already.

Those AP rewards might suck butt, but they're something - something better than staring at "A New Month Begins"

Dashmatt

I like this month. You get all the big rewards early enough that if you miss the last few days it really doesn’t matter. It’s nice to give a reward every day, even if it is small. I understand people being upset by missing 100k gold. Two thousand AP... not so much.

Danikat

jainiadral wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

I dislike the moral superiority being thrown around here by many posters supporting a shorter rewards cycle. The idea that there should be fewer rewards because some people "have real lives" is dismissive and disrespectful. People who log in every day have real lives too.

Well when the alternative is being told you're lazy, greedy and entitled because you can't log into a video game every single day I don't think it's surprising that people will try to emphasise that they had valid reasons for missing days.

Although considering one of the reasons given is that a hurricane hit the east coast of the USA I'm not sure I'd call it 'moral superiority'. I mean I know there's a lot of stereotypes about Americans thinking they're better than everyone else, but that's taking it a bit far.

There is an alternative, and that's not slandering an entire segment of the game's population simply because you can't log in. But, hey, everything's black and white. Either/or. No one is anywhere in the middle or capable of being flexible.

I'm sorry, but I don't appreciate being told I have "no real life" simply because I can log in every day. That's not cool. At all.

If you interpret everything that dramatically it's not surprising you get offended.

But also that's exactly the point many of us are trying to make: everyone has other stuff in their lives besides ESO, including those who were able to log in for 28 days in September. Therefore it's unreasonable to expect players to be able to log in for 28 days every month and short-sighted to insist it's fine just because some people were able to make it this month.

How would you feel if you were one of the ones who missed it next time there's a big reward and people were telling you that you should have made more of an effort and were just being lazy by going away for a few days or living in an area hit with a natural disaster or whatever it is?

Mr_Walker

Have to have a couple of days leeway due to patches. One consoles the patches are ridiculously big. Took me close to 2 days to dl the last xbox one.

newtinmpls

If there is going to be a spiffy coolo thing at the very end, yes I would like to see going back to 20 days.

Encouraging some generates enthusiasm and happiness

Requiring too much changes that to resentment.

YMMV

KyraCROgnon

Danikat wrote: »

If you interpret everything that dramatically it's not surprising you get offended.

But also that's exactly the point many of us are trying to make: everyone has other stuff in their lives besides ESO, including those who were able to log in for 28 days in September. Therefore it's unreasonable to expect players to be able to log in for 28 days every month and short-sighted to insist it's fine just because some people were able to make it this month.

+1 ! Especially since Bethesda DID insist when they introduced daily rewards that it would not requiere people to log in every single day to collect them all ! We already have stuff we do better if we play daily, ranging from hirelings mails to daily writs to daily quests to restocking our guild vendor slots ! A bonus that takes into account more casual (or with busy IRL ) players is nicer than a high demand one !
And other games that have a reward every single day, usually they are not linked to a calendar, ie if you miss X days, will just take you longer to get to the end one, but you won't miss it (ex : Secret World Legend, Chrono.gg "chests" aso)

Elsonso

Dashmatt wrote: »

I like this month. You get all the big rewards early enough that if you miss the last few days it really doesn’t matter. It’s nice to give a reward every day, even if it is small. I understand people being upset by missing 100k gold. Two thousand AP... not so much.

Yes. I think ZOS really dialed it in pretty good this month. Valuable items, but the end of the month is padded to give something to those who do log in every day without really shorting those who don't.

Flynch

Perhaps players could have a yearly 'pool' of spare days that they can use at any point of any month to give themselves flexibility, but are not refilled til the start of the year after.

Emathides

huntgod_ESO wrote: »

ForfiniteStories wrote: »

Fakyy wrote: »

All you need to do is log in for 5 minutes and claim the reward each day, if you can’t do that, then I don’t see how you play the game at all.

We did do that, but there wasn't enough days in the month to acquire the final two rewards.

Are you in another dimension where there were fewer days in the month?

There were absolutely sufficient days to login in and get each reward.

If you did not get all the rewards, you failed to login each day AFTER 7pm CST.

I logged in every day and got the 100k reward Friday last week (Australian timezone). I'm wondering if the people saying they logged in but didn't get the reward forgot to claim it?

Chicharron

If you do not have two minutes for ESO, you do not deserve the reward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SKckQaGqMo

Davor

Why are people playing ESO in the first place. After all if not everyone can do it, we need to make it so people can do it. So how about stop having internet. Don't buy video games anymore. Don't watch TV/Satellite/YouTube etc and all the money we save we can give to those who can't either.

All our money not spending money on internet and games can go to the less unfortunate. I find it funny people complain about something that is not real saying they are "missing out" when in real life people are missing out. How come you are not helping them?

Hypocrites much? I mean you want help in fake make believe things but will not help out in real life. Also I don't want to hear, "I already help out to those in need" Well if you are, you can be helping more.

So stop being hypocrites.

*edit*

I am not good looking enough. My voice is not good enough. The requirements to become a sports star is too much. Can we have those lowered as well so I can become an awesome superstar in the movies and music industry while winning all these championships.

After all, so what if I miss all the practices. My right to play on the pitch/field/rink shouldn't be taken away from me.

Davor

TheLastEpicurean wrote: »

I have to say that logging in every day is beginning to feel like a chore and is actually pushing me to stop playing. It does feel like I'm missing out and being punished if I don't log in for a day.

Many of the rewards aren't of any use, but you have to collect the crap ones to get the interesting ones. We should be able to turn the useless rewards into something useful, gems or gold at least.

I'm starting to resent the current system and that's not a good design.

This is just my view, but if it's having a positive effect on the majority of players then stick with it.

I agree here. Its starts becoming a chore. So if a playing a game becomes a chore or a job, I stop playing. So now I log in when I log in. If I miss out, oh well. That is on me and nobody else. While it's nice to get free things, I don't expect anything to be given to me for free.

Also how are people being punished? You don't have to participate if you choose not to. Nobody is forcing you to do so. Just like in real life, if you want money you get a job. Nobody is going to give you a 40 hour pay check for only working 32 hours. You want it, you work it.

If you are sick, then for most people you don't get paid for that day you miss. Just like someone who complained they had to take a holiday to go to Greece. Heck I rather miss all my rewards for a year to have that trip vacation to Greece.

BalticBlues

Chicharron wrote: »

If you do not have two minutes for ESO, you do not deserve the reward.

What if people grow up and get a real life? Once you have a demanding job or a demanding partner or demanding kids or ALL at the same time, you will quickly see that at times a daily logon can become difficult.

Examples:
- your boss sends you on a business trip
- your partner wants a trip over the weekend
- your kid gets sick

People living ALONE certainly have no problem wit a daily login. However, people with a social life probably are thankful for only 20 and not 28 days of rewards - when the best rewards usually are placed on the final days.

Anyway, I have a suggestion: Daily Logon Reward Tokens
Instead of many junk rewards (1.5k AP, 500g etc.) and only a few good rewards (Experience Scrolls, Crates etc.), give people a Daily Logon Reward Token for each daily logon, similar like Undaunted Keys. And then, with perhaps 25, 50, 75 or 100 Tokens, you can pick some great rewards from a list, like 5 crate boxes for 25 Tokens or 12 crate boxes for 50 Tokens. Or 100k gold (for 25 Tokens) or 250k gold for 50 Tokens. Or a Villa for 100 Tokens. This way people could collect their dialy logon reward tokens at the speed their social life allows, and people would get the freedom to pick items they would prefer.

bootie101

Im going away on a holiday this month I legit dont care if I miss a week of rewards. Im an adult and ill get over it. Btw I actually like the daily log ins though.

Chicharron

BalticBlues wrote: »

Chicharron wrote: »

If you do not have two minutes for ESO, you do not deserve the reward.

What if people grow up and get a real life? Once you have a demanding job or a demanding partner or demanding kids or ALL at the same time, you will quickly see that at times a daily logon can become difficult.

Examples:
- your boss sends you on a business trip
- your partner wants a trip over the weekend
- your kid gets sick

People living ALONE certainly have no problem wit a daily login. However, people with a social life probably are thankful for only 20 and not 28 days of rewards - when the best rewards usually are placed on the final days.

Anyway, I have a suggestion: Daily Logon Reward Tokens
Instead of many junk rewards (APs, 500g etc,) and only a few good rewards (Experience Scrolls, Crates etc.), give people a Daily Logon reward token for each daily logon, similar like Undaunted Keys. And then, with perhaps 100 Tokens, you can get some great rewards, like 10 crate boxes or 100k gold. This way people could collect their dialy logon reward tokens at the speed their social life allows.

I have a job, wife, two children and 2 free minutes to claim the reward.

if you can not, it means that the rewards were not made for you, they were made for other types of players.

Azariiel_Lunataris

Chicharron wrote: »

If you do not have two minutes for ESO, you do not deserve the reward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SKckQaGqMo

Haha noob you just showed me your password!

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