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Jewelry crafting: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

  • stitchesofdooom
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    maboleth wrote: »
    ^ Yes, it's newer, not everyone has it (only Summerset buyers as far as I know) and it's not something that's mandatory. Like the quality gain between purple>gold is negligible.

    Weapon has the cheapest gold mats but also is the most important (metal weapons are kind of in the middle because both armour and weapons are using the same temper). Then comes armour, still good to be gold due to higher armour values, higher trait percentage and few bit of stats change. In jewelry however, it's mostly color. The change in stats and especially traits is very low. And gold enchantments fit purple jewelry in its full potential, without any penalties.

    However, master jewelry writs are being useless as of now, because no amount of vouchers can pay the amount of gold and/or resources needed for legendary quality.

    yep, I'm a Grand Master Crafter and I still can't get the damn materials to do even 10% of these bar-stuard JC MW
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  • kirgeo
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    Use it only for traits, have 6 gold grains after all the grind. Needs to change.
  • stitchesofdooom
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    kirgeo wrote: »
    Use it only for traits, have 6 gold grains after all the grind. Needs to change.

    yeah, I'm so tired of the lack of grains. I'm not a fan of PvP so I won't have the means to buy a load of gold jewelry pieces and farming gets old REAL fast
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  • Skwor
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    Gimmie gimmie gimmie.
    Gold jewelry is and should be very rare. As it is jewelry crafting makes it to easy and available, they need to go back to 8 plates for an upgrade and not increase raw availability any more.
    Edited by Skwor on January 11, 2019 1:28PM
  • stitchesofdooom
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    Skwor wrote: »
    Gimmie gimmie gimmie.
    Gold jewelry is and should be very rare. As it is jewelry crafting makes it to easy and available, they need to go back to 8 plates for an upgrade and not increase raw availability any more.

    so you can make a killing off of grains again?
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  • Feanor
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    Skwor wrote: »
    Gimmie gimmie gimmie.
    Gold jewelry is and should be very rare. As it is jewelry crafting makes it to easy and available, they need to go back to 8 plates for an upgrade and not increase raw availability any more.

    That doesn’t explain why Epic needs to be so prohibitive. As it is a large portion of the players simply won’t bother at all.
    Main characters:
    Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 41 - Stormproof (PC EU)
    Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)

    Other characters:
    Fearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)
    Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)
    Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDK
    Valirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBlade
    Turuna - AD Altmer magBlade
    Kheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDK
    Kibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - Stormproof
    Yavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWarden
    Azog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWarden
    Maeglin the Dark Elf - DC Dunmer mDK
    Rawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWarden
    Tu'waccah - AD Redguard Stamplar

    All chars 50 @ CP 980+. Playing solo PvP mostly on EU PC Sotha Sil (or with a wonderful guild of friends)
  • Lifsteinn
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    They added Jewelcrafting, but they don't want you to use it.
  • tmbrinks
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    Feanor wrote: »
    Skwor wrote: »
    Gimmie gimmie gimmie.
    Gold jewelry is and should be very rare. As it is jewelry crafting makes it to easy and available, they need to go back to 8 plates for an upgrade and not increase raw availability any more.

    That doesn’t explain why Epic needs to be so prohibitive. As it is a large portion of the players simply won’t bother at all.

    I get enough Zircon grains in a week of doing Jewelry writs, collecting the surveys that drop, and then refining the dust, to upgrade about 1 ring a week to purple (If I'm short, I could sell the other materials I get for enough gold to buy the missing Zircon). Not sure that's "prohibitive". Purple jewelry also drops from a multitude of places to either use in your build, or to decon for the materials.
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  • tmbrinks
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    Lifsteinn wrote: »
    They added Jewelcrafting, but they don't want you to use it.

    I use it all the time. Just not to upgrade jewelry (for most builds, it drops in gold somewhere). Its main use is to transmute jewelry to better/alternate traits. And if you're going to complain "we could only research one at a time" remember, you had only 2 types to research with that one at a time... compared to 14 lines with 3 slots on WW/BS. I may only be a math teacher... but 1/2 is much better than 3/14 in terms of time...
    Healer - Valravn - - - Raid Leader - Nightfighters
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    El’arium - EP - Magblade - Voice of Reason - Divayth Fyr's Coadjuster - Stormproof
    Elorím - DC - Warden healer - Bringer of Light - Voice of Reason - Divayth Fyr's Coadjuster - Blackrose Executioner
    Elearíum - DC - Templar healer - Bringer of Light
    Elorim - EP - Magplar - Stormproof
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    Elearium Mule - EP - Stamplar - Divayth Fyr’s Coadjuster
  • Feanor
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    tmbrinks wrote: »
    Feanor wrote: »
    Skwor wrote: »
    Gimmie gimmie gimmie.
    Gold jewelry is and should be very rare. As it is jewelry crafting makes it to easy and available, they need to go back to 8 plates for an upgrade and not increase raw availability any more.

    That doesn’t explain why Epic needs to be so prohibitive. As it is a large portion of the players simply won’t bother at all.

    I get enough Zircon grains in a week of doing Jewelry writs, collecting the surveys that drop, and then refining the dust, to upgrade about 1 ring a week to purple (If I'm short, I could sell the other materials I get for enough gold to buy the missing Zircon). Not sure that's "prohibitive". Purple jewelry also drops from a multitude of places to either use in your build, or to decon for the materials.

    That’s my point though. Given how easy it is to farm dropped jewelry in purple, jewelry crafting really stands out. Make Golding stuff out hard, yes. But the rest? It just isn’t cohesive with the rest of crafting or obtaining gear.

    Main characters:
    Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 41 - Stormproof (PC EU)
    Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)

    Other characters:
    Fearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)
    Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)
    Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDK
    Valirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBlade
    Turuna - AD Altmer magBlade
    Kheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDK
    Kibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - Stormproof
    Yavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWarden
    Azog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWarden
    Maeglin the Dark Elf - DC Dunmer mDK
    Rawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWarden
    Tu'waccah - AD Redguard Stamplar

    All chars 50 @ CP 980+. Playing solo PvP mostly on EU PC Sotha Sil (or with a wonderful guild of friends)
  • tmbrinks
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    Feanor wrote: »
    tmbrinks wrote: »
    Feanor wrote: »
    Skwor wrote: »
    Gimmie gimmie gimmie.
    Gold jewelry is and should be very rare. As it is jewelry crafting makes it to easy and available, they need to go back to 8 plates for an upgrade and not increase raw availability any more.

    That doesn’t explain why Epic needs to be so prohibitive. As it is a large portion of the players simply won’t bother at all.

    I get enough Zircon grains in a week of doing Jewelry writs, collecting the surveys that drop, and then refining the dust, to upgrade about 1 ring a week to purple (If I'm short, I could sell the other materials I get for enough gold to buy the missing Zircon). Not sure that's "prohibitive". Purple jewelry also drops from a multitude of places to either use in your build, or to decon for the materials.

    That’s my point though. Given how easy it is to farm dropped jewelry in purple, jewelry crafting really stands out. Make Golding stuff out hard, yes. But the rest? It just isn’t cohesive with the rest of crafting or obtaining gear.

    I actually run out of purple BS/WW/Cloth mats before I run out of gold mats from doing master writs, furniture making, etc... so, I personally see them being pretty similar.
    Healer - Valravn - - - Raid Leader - Nightfighters
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    El’arium - EP - Magblade - Voice of Reason - Divayth Fyr's Coadjuster - Stormproof
    Elorím - DC - Warden healer - Bringer of Light - Voice of Reason - Divayth Fyr's Coadjuster - Blackrose Executioner
    Elearíum - DC - Templar healer - Bringer of Light
    Elorim - EP - Magplar - Stormproof
    Elarium - EP - Magsorc - Divayth Fyr’s Coadjuster - Stormproof
    Elearium Mule - EP - Stamplar - Divayth Fyr’s Coadjuster
  • John_Falstaff
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    tmbrinks wrote: »
    I actually run out of purple BS/WW/Cloth mats before I run out of gold mats from doing master writs, furniture making, etc... so, I personally see them being pretty similar.

    I think @Feanor might be talking about the purple JC platings, not gold. With them, the situation is, oddly, reverse - it's pretty easy to farm Ebon ring or BSW necklace by going into vet dungeon, but upgrading jewelry to purple is daunting. Want that Alkosh jewelry set or purple crafted one? Oops, have to deconstruct ~20 purple pieces, 60 per full set. And the grind for them is slow, more so that writs don't give purple grains.
  • Feanor
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    tmbrinks wrote: »
    I actually run out of purple BS/WW/Cloth mats before I run out of gold mats from doing master writs, furniture making, etc... so, I personally see them being pretty similar.

    I think @Feanor might be talking about the purple JC platings, not gold. With them, the situation is, oddly, reverse - it's pretty easy to farm Ebon ring or BSW necklace by going into vet dungeon, but upgrading jewelry to purple is daunting. Want that Alkosh jewelry set or purple crafted one? Oops, have to deconstruct ~20 purple pieces, 60 per full set. And the grind for them is slow, more so that writs don't give purple grains.

    Exactly.

    Main characters:
    Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 41 - Stormproof (PC EU)
    Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)

    Other characters:
    Fearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)
    Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)
    Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDK
    Valirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBlade
    Turuna - AD Altmer magBlade
    Kheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDK
    Kibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - Stormproof
    Yavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWarden
    Azog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWarden
    Maeglin the Dark Elf - DC Dunmer mDK
    Rawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWarden
    Tu'waccah - AD Redguard Stamplar

    All chars 50 @ CP 980+. Playing solo PvP mostly on EU PC Sotha Sil (or with a wonderful guild of friends)
  • tmbrinks
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    Feanor wrote: »
    tmbrinks wrote: »
    I actually run out of purple BS/WW/Cloth mats before I run out of gold mats from doing master writs, furniture making, etc... so, I personally see them being pretty similar.

    I think @Feanor might be talking about the purple JC platings, not gold. With them, the situation is, oddly, reverse - it's pretty easy to farm Ebon ring or BSW necklace by going into vet dungeon, but upgrading jewelry to purple is daunting. Want that Alkosh jewelry set or purple crafted one? Oops, have to deconstruct ~20 purple pieces, 60 per full set. And the grind for them is slow, more so that writs don't give purple grains.

    Exactly.

    My counter point would be that a vast majority of the jewelry sets that you would use are directly available in purple (or even gold) quality (Alkosh, MA, Olorime, SPC, Mending, VO, Ebon, etc...) Very few builds use crafted sets (Torug's/Fortified Brass/Shacklebreaker being notable exceptions) and if they are, are usually paired with a dropped set.

    Thus, somebody who wants purple (or gold) jewelry, but doesn't have the means to get it from drops (can't do vMoL for Alkosh in purple/gold, for example), has an alternative (gold expensive) route to be able to get those drops (run nMoL for the jewelry and upgrade)

    JC provides an additional way to acquire those in the quality desired, or to potentially pair two crafted sets together for the first time. It only gave us more options in our builds, so the fact that it is expensive, time consuming, and difficult to do doesn't mean it's bad. Before, it was impossible to do... now it's difficult.

    I would also be all for JC writs to drop green, blue, and purple grains as well.

    (Now, JC master writs, those are a joke because of their expense)
    Edited by tmbrinks on January 15, 2019 3:03PM
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    El’arium - EP - Magblade - Voice of Reason - Divayth Fyr's Coadjuster - Stormproof
    Elorím - DC - Warden healer - Bringer of Light - Voice of Reason - Divayth Fyr's Coadjuster - Blackrose Executioner
    Elearíum - DC - Templar healer - Bringer of Light
    Elorim - EP - Magplar - Stormproof
    Elarium - EP - Magsorc - Divayth Fyr’s Coadjuster - Stormproof
    Elearium Mule - EP - Stamplar - Divayth Fyr’s Coadjuster
  • stitchesofdooom
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    Skwor wrote: »
    Gimmie gimmie gimmie.
    Gold jewelry is and should be very rare. As it is jewelry crafting makes it to easy and available, they need to go back to 8 plates for an upgrade and not increase raw availability any more.

    so you can make a killing off of grains again?
    tmbrinks wrote: »
    Feanor wrote: »
    tmbrinks wrote: »
    I actually run out of purple BS/WW/Cloth mats before I run out of gold mats from doing master writs, furniture making, etc... so, I personally see them being pretty similar.

    I think @Feanor might be talking about the purple JC platings, not gold. With them, the situation is, oddly, reverse - it's pretty easy to farm Ebon ring or BSW necklace by going into vet dungeon, but upgrading jewelry to purple is daunting. Want that Alkosh jewelry set or purple crafted one? Oops, have to deconstruct ~20 purple pieces, 60 per full set. And the grind for them is slow, more so that writs don't give purple grains.

    Exactly.

    My counter point would be that a vast majority of the jewelry sets that you would use are directly available in purple (or even gold) quality (Alkosh, MA, Olorime, SPC, Mending, VO, Ebon, etc...) Very few builds use crafted sets (Torug's/Fortified Brass/Shacklebreaker being notable exceptions) and if they are, are usually paired with a dropped set.

    Thus, somebody who wants purple (or gold) jewelry, but doesn't have the means to get it from drops (can't do vMoL for Alkosh in purple/gold, for example), has an alternative (gold expensive) route to be able to get those drops (run nMoL for the jewelry and upgrade)

    JC provides an additional way to acquire those in the quality desired, or to potentially pair two crafted sets together for the first time. It only gave us more options in our builds, so the fact that it is expensive, time consuming, and difficult to do doesn't mean it's bad. Before, it was impossible to do... now it's difficult.

    I would also be all for JC writs to drop green, blue, and purple grains as well.

    (Now, JC master writs, those are a joke because of their expense)

    but with the flood of JC master writs and the reduced number of decent other skill master writs, gathering writ vouchers has become much harder. Especially the legendary jc mw. If you came for the elder scrolls and not the PvP then you're pretty screwed unless you wanna spend the whole day farming
    Say NO to Crown Crates. Crown Crates are Loot Boxes. Loot Boxes are gambling. Zenimax makes enough money off us.
    ESO+ is part of the "Games as a service" trend. A trend that needs to die. Subscribe only when you need Crowns for DLC.
    Say no to "radiant" junk quests replacing proper side content and the dumbing down of our favorite franchises.
    PCMR EU.
  • VanyelMohr
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    Just adding my voice to the call for either a reduction in the number of master jc writs we receive or an increase in the amount of platings we are able to gain from extraction. It's easy enough to delete them, I suppose, but I have no problem getting the resources for all the other craft writs and it just feels like a waste to get so many and not be able to anything with them. Just tonight, I received a jc master writ on *both* of my characters. I have at least 30 writs in my bank. I've only been able to craft maybe 4 legendary rings since Summerset launched. That's just... sad. :(
  • tmbrinks
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    Skwor wrote: »
    Gimmie gimmie gimmie.
    Gold jewelry is and should be very rare. As it is jewelry crafting makes it to easy and available, they need to go back to 8 plates for an upgrade and not increase raw availability any more.

    so you can make a killing off of grains again?
    tmbrinks wrote: »
    Feanor wrote: »
    tmbrinks wrote: »
    I actually run out of purple BS/WW/Cloth mats before I run out of gold mats from doing master writs, furniture making, etc... so, I personally see them being pretty similar.

    I think @Feanor might be talking about the purple JC platings, not gold. With them, the situation is, oddly, reverse - it's pretty easy to farm Ebon ring or BSW necklace by going into vet dungeon, but upgrading jewelry to purple is daunting. Want that Alkosh jewelry set or purple crafted one? Oops, have to deconstruct ~20 purple pieces, 60 per full set. And the grind for them is slow, more so that writs don't give purple grains.

    Exactly.

    My counter point would be that a vast majority of the jewelry sets that you would use are directly available in purple (or even gold) quality (Alkosh, MA, Olorime, SPC, Mending, VO, Ebon, etc...) Very few builds use crafted sets (Torug's/Fortified Brass/Shacklebreaker being notable exceptions) and if they are, are usually paired with a dropped set.

    Thus, somebody who wants purple (or gold) jewelry, but doesn't have the means to get it from drops (can't do vMoL for Alkosh in purple/gold, for example), has an alternative (gold expensive) route to be able to get those drops (run nMoL for the jewelry and upgrade)

    JC provides an additional way to acquire those in the quality desired, or to potentially pair two crafted sets together for the first time. It only gave us more options in our builds, so the fact that it is expensive, time consuming, and difficult to do doesn't mean it's bad. Before, it was impossible to do... now it's difficult.

    I would also be all for JC writs to drop green, blue, and purple grains as well.

    (Now, JC master writs, those are a joke because of their expense)

    but with the flood of JC master writs and the reduced number of decent other skill master writs, gathering writ vouchers has become much harder. Especially the legendary jc mw. If you came for the elder scrolls and not the PvP then you're pretty screwed unless you wanna spend the whole day farming

    I don't really get where I was talking about master writs (other than in reference to the one thing that I believe needs to change with JC, which are overpriced per voucher)... JC provided us with an alternative way to get things that were either difficult to get (running vet trials) or impossible to get (crafted gear)... so, in my opinion, anything with the JC is better than what we had. We also got a host of new traits that made builds even stronger.

    There are still exactly ZERO end-game PVE builds (to get top DPS/Heals/Tanking) that rely on you crafting 2 sets... PVP might be an exception as there are a few builds that use 2 crafted. Point being, JC is not a need, it merely gives us an alternative route to obtain something that wasn't there. Hence, I don't understand all the strife surrounding it. Yes, it takes work and time and gold to be able to upgrade something. It also takes work and time and gold to progress through a trial so you can get your gold gear drops. Or it take work and time and gold to do PvP so you can buy your gold jewelry at the golden. We just now have 3 ways to get it, instead of 2. When I think of QoL improvements, that fits my bill.
    Healer - Valravn - - - Raid Leader - Nightfighters
    Elearium - EP - Templar healer - Bringer of Light - Welkynar Liberator - Voice of Reason - Dro-m’Athra Destroyer - Flawless Conquerer - Divayth Fyr’s Coadjuster - Blackrose Executioner - Master Angler - Grand Master Crafter - All Motifs - 31.9k+ Achievement Points
    El’arium - EP - Magblade - Voice of Reason - Divayth Fyr's Coadjuster - Stormproof
    Elorím - DC - Warden healer - Bringer of Light - Voice of Reason - Divayth Fyr's Coadjuster - Blackrose Executioner
    Elearíum - DC - Templar healer - Bringer of Light
    Elorim - EP - Magplar - Stormproof
    Elarium - EP - Magsorc - Divayth Fyr’s Coadjuster - Stormproof
    Elearium Mule - EP - Stamplar - Divayth Fyr’s Coadjuster
  • Katahdin
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    I've definitely seen a drop in the number of non JC writs. Those non JC writs, ones that give more than 5-7 voucher have become less common as well.

    It sucks. I hate JC master writs. I have not done one since we got jewlery crafting snd I've upgraded a handful of jewlery pieces
    Edited by Katahdin on January 16, 2019 8:36PM
    Beta tester November 2013
  • richo262
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    They should remove the grains for all the tempers except for Chromium. I don't mind Chrome being difficult, it is meant to be difficult, and the difference between Purp / Gold isn't game breaking.

    The drop rate on the tempers have to be low given how many tempers are required, I believe it is about half the tempers required for normal armor / weapon pieces.

    As for trait items. I think most trait items in the game can simply be scrapped.

    All Armor / Weapon trait items except for Nirn could be done away with.
    Keep all Jewelry trait items except for Arcane, Robust, Magicka.
    However, Protective, Infused, Harmony could probably drop with the 'requires 10' garbage, and drop 10 time less.

    When I say done away with, I mean, the trait item is not required to craft the item. It should be considered a 'basic trait' that once researched, you make it without requiring the trait item.
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