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A comprehensive guide on damage dealing in Elder Scrolls Online

Masel
Masel
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Hello and welcome to my guide on damage dealing in ESO!

First of all, this is not meant to tell you what set is BiS or what is not. There is no universal BiS in a game as complex as ESO. Sets are situational, buffs are situational, so always be critical of what others tell you, test it yourself, reflect on what you're told. This guide is meant to get players to understand how the game functions at its core, with all the math and statistics behind it. So ideally, after you read this guide, you should be able to determine yourself which set or skill setup suits your build perfectly and why.

As for the general source of these formulae: they are taken from uesp.net. These guys developed an addon that collects actual ingame damage values and performs regressions with these in order to obtain the true damage coefficients behind the skills. If you question the site and the reliability of the information presented here, i suggest you learn a bit about panel data analysis through multivariate regressions. On the skill coefficient webiste, the R² (indicating the explanatory power of the model used or in this case, how accurate the calculation is) is 99.99% in all cases, with 100% being the most accurate it can be.

We're gonna go through the whole damage calculation formula and determine how different amplifiers affect your base stats, what diminishing returns are in the context of additive calculations, and then do a skill example along the way.

Part One: Calculating Damage

Let's start with the whole damage formula for a magicka skill and then break it down into pieces:

Average Damage done = (Skill Coefficient for Maximum Magicka*Maximum Magicka + Skill Coefficient for Spell Damage*SpellDamage+Flat Damage Amps)*(1 + Spell Critical Chance * Spell Critical Damage)*(1 + Damage Done )* (Spell Armor Mitigation)*(1 + Damage Taken)*(1+Execute Bonus)*(1+Bloodthirsty Bonus)



This looks fairly complex, but it is easier than you think if we break it down into pieces. This formula determines the average damage you will do with your skills, light attacks and heavy attacks in general. Mathematically, we want to maximise the value of this formula, because then we achieve the highest average damage. This is showing the term for magicka toons, but the stamina version looks exactly like that as well.
Please note that all damage and healing you do in cyrodiil and battlegrounds is halved. So for PvP, simply divide the whole formula by 2.
1. Base Damage, Scaling and Skill Coefficients

The first part of the formula is responsible for the base damage you get from your main stats. Every skill in the game has one of the two resource types to scale with, either stamina or magicka. In most cases, it depends on the resource the skill uses, so if a skill costs magicka, it will use your maximum magicka and spell damage. If it costs stamina, it will use your maximum stamina and weapon damage to determine the damage it causes. There are exceptions to this though: Ultimates and certain skills scale with your highest resource, so if your maximum magicka and spell damage is higher than your maximum stamina and weapon damage, the will use magicka and spell damage and vice-versa. The non-ultimates that follow this pattern usually indicate that they use the highest resource in their tooltip.

Some skills, notably sorcerer pets, shields, some healing skills and the final hit of the templar skill backlash and its morphs only use your maximum resource (in some cases your maximum health). Increasing your weapon or spell damage will not have any effect on the strength of these skills.


1. 1. Diminishing Returns in Base Stats

Knowing this, we can already say that maximising your base stats is important to increase your damage. However, you need to take into account that the returns you get from either of those stats are diminishing with increased size prior to the additions you make. Your damage increase in % from going from 2000 spell damage to 2500 is bigger than your damage increase from 2500 to 3000:

40000*0.05+2000*0.5=3000 <=> 0%
40000*0.05+2500*0.5=3250 <=> + ~8.33%
40000*0.05+3000*0.5=3500 <=> + ~7.70%


So the more you already have from one of these, the less benefit you will have, relative to the damage you had before. This is why stacking too much into one resource and neglecting most of the others is often detrimental and not ideal to achieve the highest possible damage.

NOTE: Do not forget that maximum magicka/maximum health also increases your shield strength and therefore has a bit more utility than spell damage/weapon damage. So consider this when you have to decide between maximum resource and other stat choices.

1.2. What are skill coefficients and what is the scaling ratio?

Skill coefficients determine the damage a skill does and are responsible for the difference in damage between skills. Every skill has its own coefficients, one for the maximum resource and one for the weapon stat.
Let's do an example:

Funnel Health from the Nightblade has a 0.0961044 for the maximum resource and 1.00801 for spell damage. This means that the base damage of the ability, without any amplifiers, is equal to roughly 10% of your maximum magicka, plus the value of your spell damage. When you look at the two coefficients, we can see that one is about 10 times bigger than the other. This is not random, it is the same for all skills that scale with your maximum resource and weapon stat. The scaling ratio, calculated by dividing the coefficient for the weapon stat by the coefficient fro maximum resource is always equal to 10.5:

Scaling ratio=Skill Coefficient for Spell Damage/Skill Coefficient for Maximum Magicka=10.5

What does this mean? It shows that spell damage affects your damage done by skills 10.5 times more than your maximum resource. However, the game is balanced around this ratio. Your spell damage will often be around 10 times smaller than your maximum magicka, and the sets and buffs in the game only allow a cetain level of spell damage that you can achieve, and maximum magicka bonuses are in general also around 10.5 times higher than spell damage bonuses.

You can find the respective skill coefficients here:

https://esoitem.uesp.net/viewSkillCoef.php
1.2.1. Maximum resources

Maximum resources are one of the two core determinants of base damage. You get it through enchantments, set bonuses, passives, food and drinks and attribute points. As I stated above, maximising (or rather idealising) the amount you have is crucial to doing damage. Here's the formula in general:

Maximum Magicka =((142 * Level + 858 + 111 * Attribute Flat Magicka + Item Flat Magicka + Set Flat Magicka)*(1 + 0.004 * min(CP.Magicka, 100) - 0.00002 * pow(min(CP.Magicka, 100), 2)) + Food Flat Magicka + Mundus Flat Magicka + Skill2 Flat Magicka)*(1 + Skill % Magicka + Buff % Magicka)

This again looks complicated, but it is easier if we break it down into pieces. The first term (142 * Level + 858) is simply the base magicka that every maximum level character has, and is equal to 10230. On top of that, we add the attributes we invested, which are 64 at maximum: 111*64=7104. Afterwards we have most of the flat magicka bonuses you can get, such as regular set bonuses.

Here's the tricky part: These base values get amplified by 20%, which is the result of this part of the formula: (1 + 0.004 * min(CP.Magicka, 100) - 0.00002 * pow(min(CP.Magicka, 100), 2))=0.2. This is the reward that all players that invest at least 100 cps into the respective cp tree get. So if you wonder why max magicka bonuses are lower than spell damage flat bonuses with regard to the scaling ratio, then this is the reason why. Most flat bonuses to maximum resources are amplified strongly by your cp level, which is also why investing too much into maximum resources is very detrimental in no-cp content (e.g. battlegrounds).

The last amplifier includes things like warhorn, inner light, bound aegis/armaments and passives (nightblades' magicka flood), racial passives et cetera. This affects all bonuses you can get, and is multiplicative with the cp buff.
1.2.2. Weapon stats

Weapon stats are the second determinant of base damage, and they are calculated almost equally to the maximum resource equivalent, but a little easier:

Spell Damage = (Item Flat Spell Damage + Set Flat Spell Damage + Mundus Flat Spell Damage)*(1 + Skill % Spell Damage + Buff % Spell Damage)

Here, we don't have to consider special scaling from cps, it is simply adding up all flat buffs, then adding up all % buffs you have and then multiplying the two. Spell damage amps can come from set bonuses, your weapon itself (with different values for different weapons) and mundus stones (warrior, apprentice).

Here's the stats from weapons on cp 160 level:

Staves, Bows, Restoration Staffs: 1335
Dual Wield: 1335 + 26% from offhand = 1335+0.26*1335=1682 (includes the 6% from offhand passive, as you will most likely have it)
Two-handed: 1571
One hand and shield: 1335

So you see that twohanders and dual wield have the highest base damage, while the others are equal at 1335. Dual wield always has 20% from the offhand added to the main hand weapon, which is also the proc chance for enchantments on the offhand, but we will get to enchantments and status effects later.
2. Critical Chance, Critical Resistance and Critical Hit Damage

This is an interesting part, because it is a bit more abstract to measure and at the same time easier to calculate. Critical chance is, simply put, the chance you have to deal more damage to the enemy because you hit them in a critical position or spot. This mechanic is part of many MMOs out there, and it is often based on pure luck. Criticial damage then determines the additional damage you do when you critically strike the enemy. So if you want to calculate the average damage you get from critical chance and critical damage, you have to use the following formula:

Average Critical Damage = (1 + Spell Critical Chance * (Spell Critical Damage-Critical Resitance)

So we multiply the critical chance with the critical damage, because the return you get from either of these depends on the other one. If you have a low critical chance, additional critical damage will obviously not be that beneficial to you and vice-versa.
2.1. Critical chance

Critical chance is subject to a bit of inconsistency in the game. Some set bonuses tell you that they increase the crictical rating by 10%, while others say they increase it by 1943 (not in %). Converting absolutes in % is fairly easy: simply divide the number by 219. So for the 1943, we have a % value of 8.87% critical chance. Critical chance can come from set bonuses, cp passives, armor passives, class passives etc.

So all you have to do is to add up all flat values and divide them by 219 to get the %-value and then add that to the %-buffs you have:

Critical Chance = (Set Flat Spell Crit + Skill Flat SpellCrit + Buff Flat SpellCrit)*(1/219) + 0.10 + Item % SpellCrit + Mundus % Spell Crit + Skill % Spell Crit + CP % Spell Crit


The base critical chance is 10%, which you find as a flat value in the formula above.

NOTE: Proc Sets, so flat damage sets do not benefit from critical, because they are unable to critically strike. So if you want to use many of those in your build, critical chance is likely not that beneficial to you. Same holds for critical damage.
2.2. Critical Damage and Critical Resistance

Critical damage is only applied when you do a critical strike. So if you have 50% critical chance, you will get critical damage in 50% of cases. You always have a base critical hit damage of 50%, so in any case, you get that bonus damage. In PvE, critical damage is easy to calculate:

SpellCritDamage = (CP % Spell Crit Damage + Skill % Crit Damage + Mundus % Crit Damage + Set % Crit Damage + Item % Crit Damage + Buff % Crit Damage + 0.5)

So again simply add up all source you have and the base value of 50%. In PvP, a second factor influences the amount of critical damage you do and receive, namely critical resistance. Critical resistance can be obtained through the cp passive "resistant", set bonuses and impenetrable armor. Both indicate crit resistance as flat values, so we have to translate it into % values so we can compare it to critical damage. 6600 critical resistance mitigate 100% critical damage, so we can say that 66 critical resitance are equal to 1% less critical damage you take:

Critical resistance in % = (Item Flat Crit Resist + Set Flat Crit Resist + Skill Flat Crit Resist + CP Flat Crit Resist)/6600

NOTE: In PvP, this stat is fairly important because other players can (and will) critically strike against you. Also note that in no-CP campaigns, critical chance is lower, so invetsing into critical resistance is less useful there. In PvE, enemies can NOT critically strike, so critical resistance is not useful there.
2.3. Critical sets and cp increases.

Due to the CP cap increases we get with many updates, we can put more points into critical damage done cp passives. This results in a slow takeover of sets that give you critical chance, because their effectiveness increases with more points put into the cp-star elfborn, as i stated above. This resulted in many players saying that mother's sorrow is universally better than julianos. This is not true (at least not yet): The two sets are within a narrow margin of each other, mother's sorrow is only better if you have major and minor force available at a rate that is very high (often unrealistically high) and if you are a nightblade or templar. Further, when comparing the sets, you have to consider that critical chance buffs enchantment (and poison) damage, while spell damage does not. This gives mother's sorrow another edge over Julianos. Nonetheless, dont let someone rip you off by paying 500k for a staff of MS, instead, craft yourself Julianos and do something useful with your money. Send someone tons of potatoes, for example.
3. Damage Done

Damage done is basically the universal damage amplifier that affects any damage you do, or a certain type of damage only. There are damage done cps for damage over time effects, direct damage, elemental damage and weapon specific damage done bonuses within the blue cp tree. When you want to calculate the damage you do with a skill, you have to consider these amplifiers and choose the right amplifiers as well.

Here's also where everything comes in that wasn't there before that is not a proc. All other sources of damage done (major and minor slayer, animal companion passive, swords damage done passive, minor and major berserk, warden passive) get added up here, so they all work additively. As always before the relation holds that the more you already have, the less benefit you have from additional damage done passives.


Since the majority of damage done passives come from cp, damage done is more effective in no cp content, which is why using a sword can be a viable option.
3.1. Choosing the right CPs

Knowing whether a skill is magic damage, physical etc is fairly easy since it is stated in the tooltip. The difficult part is to assess whther the skill is considered as direct damage or damage over time. Damage over time abilities are either ground-based aoes or debuffs. Both tooltips generally indicate that the ability does something over a certain period or periodically for a timespan. But there are also combinations of the two that deal initial damage and have a seperate DoT-component. Examples are:
Direct damage:

Thrust your weapon with disciplined precision at an enemy, dealing ? Physical Damage and taunting them to attack you for 15 seconds.

This ability is considered as direct, because it only has a one-time hit that occurs immediately.
Pure DoT-Damage:

Unleash a swarm of fetcherflies to relentlessly attack an enemy, dealing ? Magic Damage over 10 seconds.

No initial hit indicated in the tooltip, only the damage over time component.
Combination of direct and DoT:

Slice an enemy with both weapons to cause deep lacerations, dealing ? Physical Damage with each weapon and causing them to bleed for an additional ? Physical Damage over 9
seconds

Here we have an initial hit that is considered direct damage and a damage over time component.

What does this tell us? You have to choose the right CP-Constellation to suit your damage distribution. If you have lots of direct damage (as nightblades do for example) then you will most likely invest more into master-at-arms. If you are more DoT oriented (as dragonknights are), then you will put more into thaumaturge. Weapon cp trees only affect your light and heavy attacks, so these are a bit more niche than the others, but it can be worth putting a few points into these as well, especially after the scaling changes of light and heavy attacks in summerset.
If you use a lot of proc sets, then elfborn and precise strikes might not be the best for you. I recommend using constellations and combat metrics from @Solinur , because these addons tell you exactly what kind of damage (direct or DoT) you do and which skill does which percentage of your damage so you can build around that.

Combat Metrics Add-On:

http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1360-CombatMetrics.html

Constellations Add-On:

http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1736-Constellations.html
3.2. Jump points and diminishing returns in CP stars

The damage done cp points have jump points. What does this mean? They round the benefit you get to the lower full % value. So if you have 15.3% benefit from the elemental expert tree, then you will only get 15% instead of 15.3%. Take this into account when you build our cp distribution to not waste any points. Find a constellation that lets you always be just above 1% in your damage done cps, and then put the rest into spell erosion/piercing for more penetration for example, which does not show any jump points.

Secondly, cp stars show diminishing returns. The more you invest into one star, the less benefit you will have. With the first 64 points into mooncalf, you get 13% recovery. The last 36 will only net you 2% recovery, so it is not worth putting more into there. Try to distribute them in a way that gives you a good "return on investment". Generally, points above the high 60's are mostly detrimental and you'd be better off choosing another star instead.
4. Armor Penetration and Mitigation

This is probably the most complex part of damage calculation, simply because the formula is a bit unintuitive. In ESO, every enemy (may it be a NPC or a player) has a resistance value. You can circumvent that resistance by using items and passives that let you "pierce" through the armor and deal higher damage to the target. So in general, you want to circumvent all armor the enemy has to deal "true" damage. This can either be achieved through own penetration, meaning all sets, buffs etc that increase your own armor penetration rating, or through debuffing the enemy, and thus reducing resistances. There are % amps and flat stats for penetration, and I will go through it in detail.

The formula looks like this:

Armor Mitigation =1-((((Target Resistance - Target Debuffs)*(1 - % Penetration ) - Penetration)/(Target.EffectiveLevel * 1000))))

So we start with 1. We start with one because the "true" damage let's us do the full damage. If we manage to achieve the full penetration, we simply do not deduct anything from 1, and therefore do the full unmitigated damage.

Then we have the target's resistance, which is 18200 in PvE for all veteran content mobs and target dummies. In PvP, it depends on how much spell or physical resitance your target has. Then we deduct all the debuffs the target has on it. There are multiple debuffs that apply to this category, such as major and minor fracture or breach (5280 and 1320, respectively), the 5- piece of roar of alkosh (3010) and the crusher weapon enchantment (which is amplifiable with torug's pact and infused and yields 1622, 2108 and 2741, respectively).

Afterwards we deduct % penetration amps, such as the Maul + Mace bonuses that ignore up to 20% of the target's resistance. The key takeaway here is that these %- amps are applied after debuffs, but not after your own penetration. This means that major and minor fracture reduce the effectiveness of mauls and maces, but sets like spriggan, twice-fanged serpent, penetration cps etc do NOT. So be aware which debuffs you have available, because if there are only few debuffs, you might even be better off with a mace over a dagger. The Break-even point between amces and daggers lies somewhere around 5000 & 6000 of penetration debuffs (which is often achieved in trials, but less in four man and solo content). I can provide statistics on this upon request.

After that, your own penetration value is deducted, so here's where most of the sets and the lover mundus belong. You might notice how penetration is mostly shown as a flat value, such as 5280 and 1320 for the major and minor debuffs. This needs to be converted into a % value so we can multiply it with the rest. That's what the denominator of the above formula is for:

The effectiveness of penetration depends on the level of the target. In PvE, enemies are considered as level 50 because they don't have CPs, so the denominator in these cases is 50000, while in PvP it is mostly 66000.
In no cp pvp, players are also considered as level 50, so here it is also 50000.
NOTE: There is a type of damage that ignores armor resistance either way, oblivion damage. Oblivion damage cannot be mitigated, so skills that indicate that they deal oblivion damage will always inflict their true damage value. They are often based on the enemy's health. This is mostly irrelevant for PvE, but in PvP, this is often an effective strategy against targets with high resistances and high health values.
5. Damage Taken

This is one of the more interesting debuffs, because it is basically the only one that mostly gives you the damage buff it shows in the tooltip, because there are not as many debuffs giving you that option. Debuffs falling into this category are Engulfing Flames (up to 10% Flame damage taken based on spell damage and maximum magicka coefficients), Incapacitating Strike/Soul Harvest (20% damage taken from your attacks), Minor Vulnerability (8% damage taken), Major Vulnerability (30% damage taken), Martial Knowledge Item set (8% damage taken), Z'en's redress item set (1% per DoT you applied to the enemy) and the Morag tong set (10% Poison damage). Additionally, Dragonhold introduced the stagger debuff on stamina Dragonoknights, letting the enemy take 195 more damage on anything that hits them. Similarly, harrowstrom added Draugrkin's grip, whicha dds 617 damage taken to the enemy.This debuff damage can be amplified by other damage taken amplifiers such as Minor + Major Vulnerability, critical chance and damage and circumventing enemy penetration, but will not benefit from personal damage done amplifiers such as CP or Minor / Major Berserk.


The formula is easy (unverified for flam damage taken debuff):

Damage taken = (1+ Sum of Flat Damage Taken)*(1+Sum of % Amplifiers)

So you add the flat values in, add up all sources of damage taken and 1, and then multiply the two components.
Part Two: Special Cases

Now that we covered the basic calculation of damage, we can go into a few specialties, such as damage types, status effects and enchantments, proc damage, oblivion damage, rotations.
1. Damage Types

There are 8 damage types in eso, namely Magic Damage, Fire Damage, Shock Damage, Frost Damage, Oblivion Damage, Physical Damage (including bleeds), Poison Damage and Disease Damage.
All of them are used by different skills and classes. Magic damage and physical damage are the "neutral" sources of damage, so they do not apply any status effects. More importantly, poison and disease are not considered as subcategories of physical damage, so things that specifically buff your physical damage do not necessarily buff the other two. Same holds for magic damage and fire, shock and frost damage. There are sets that buff only abilities of a certain type. If you consider using these, I recommend using combat metrics to check how much of your damage actually is from that specific damage type and then you can compare it to something that possibly buffs all your damage to see whether it is useful or not.

As a starting point, you can check which kind of damage you have and which sources you can use to amplify the damage you have:


Screenshot_2018-07-30-23-55-062.png

Cells with an X indicate that the damage source (indictaed in columns) buff the damage type (indicated in rows).


3. Status Effects and enchantments

Many of the abovementioned damage types have the chance to apply status effects. Status effects are a fun gimmick in eso and have become a fairly integral part of many builds, given that they can be very powerful if they are used right. All of these scale with your highest resource (meaning either spell damage and magicka or weapon damage and stamina) and they can critically strike, so even a stamina dk can deal damage with fire abilities and burning. In this case, the charged trait is interesting, and we will go through the chances of applying these effects in this chapter as well.

Here's a list of status effects and their functionality:


Burning: Applies on Fire Damage ; 4 Second DoT that ticks three times (at 0, 2 and 4 seconds)
Concussion: Applies on Shock Damage ; Direct Damage hit and applies minor vulnerability to the target for 4 seconds, increasing their damage taken by 8%.
Chilled: Applies on Frost Damage ; Direct Damage Hit and applies minor maim to the target for 4 seconds, reducing their damage done by 15%.
Poisoned: Applies on Poison Damage ; 6 second DoT that ticks 4 times (at 0, 2, 4 and 6 seconds) ; significantly lower damage than Burning per tick
Diseased: Applies on Disease Damage; Initial Hit and applies Minor Defile to the target, reducing their healing taken and health recovery by 15%.


3.1. So when do they get applied?

Here's a list (taken from older patch notes):

Weapon enchants 20%
Standard ability 10%
Area of effect abilities 5%
Damage over time abilities 3%
Area of effect damage over time abilities 1%
Light and Heavy Attacks 0%

So Enchantments are very effective in proccing status effects, so take that into account when choosing an enchant for your build. If you need minor vulnerability, go for shock. If you need higher burning uptime to strengthen your own blockade, use fire. If you have all these buffs available already (e.g. on a Dragonknight) use an absorb magicka enchant for higher sustain. You can either use the charged trait, torug's pact or the infused trait to increase your status effect chances, and there are passives and sets increasing it as well. While wielding a destruction staff, your chances are increased by 100%. This does NOT mean that you will always apply it, but that your chances are doubled. Here's the formula:

Chance to apply Status effects = Base Chance*(1+% increases)

So with a destruction staff, the chances will be doubled. If you use charged on top (220% increased chance), you will have a to multiply the base chance with 4.2 (Base chance*(1+100%+220%)). Infused basically doubles the chance, as it doubles the speed at which the enchant goes off (reduces cooldown by 50%).

3.2. Wolfhunter Update, Status Effects and Enchantments

The Infused Trait will carry over to the front bar, so if you have infused on the back bar, you will proc it more often on the front bar as well (ONLY the back bar enchantment is affected). Charged will not carry over, the destruction staff passive for status effects also does not carry over.

I tested this thoroughly by examining the status effect chances of each combination:

Infused staff procs every two ticks of elemental blockade. Charged procs every four and leads to a status effect chance of the enchantment of roughly 40% (27 out of 65 in my test). Precise leads to the same result as charged, so charged does not affect the front bar. Same goes for the destruction staff passive. With a resto staff front bar, the proc chance drops to 20%, so you lose half of your proc chance of status effects (11 procs out of 54).

What is possibly however, is to use charged and /or torug's pact on the front bar and have it affect your back bar enchantment, so you can use an infused fire enchant on the back bar and if you you swap to a charged staff the chance for burning is increased. Here i had 67 status effect procs out of 80 (84%).

4. Proc Sets

Proc sets have been item to debates ever since they have been introduced. They basically give you free damage and do what a skill would do, but bound to certain conditions. So the general notion is: If you do X, then you have a Y% chance to cause Z damage (sometimes over W seconds). These are interesting because they allow a certain amount of damage without relying on a perfect rotation. So they are especially interesting for players that don't have the time to invest into rotation practice or simply are new to the game, becasue they can still do enough damage with these sets. I wanted to talk about them because they are basically everywhere in the game. Especially now that the relequen set was introduced, they even reach into many high-end trials.

Proc sets do only scale with damage done and penetration. So you can NOT increase their effectiveness by achieveing higher stats. So if you want to build around these sets, go for penetration and damage done, such as major+minor slayer and the lover mundus stone.

5. Oblivion Damage

This damage type is interesting, because it always inflicts the damage it shows on the tooltip, no matter what the the emeny does. It circumvents passives, armor mitigation and shields, and therefore can be very effective in PvP. In PvE, it is mostly irrelevant. While it is good to fight against targets that shield stack and have high resistances, it is also very easy to make it too strong because there is no other counterplay other than trying to outheal it somehow.

With Elsweyr, Oblivion Damge was altered to be %-based on your Enemy's Health. So it will inflict 3% of the health of the target on Sloads Semblance, for example. This means that it is very strong against high health targets, and weaker against low health targets. Also, they have an upper limit to the damage they can inflict (oblivion enchant has 4875 damage as the upper limit for example). Note that Oblivion enchantments will not be boosted in strength by the infused trait (neither damage done nor upper limit), they will only proc more often.

6. Rotations

Rotations are the core of damage dealing, may it be in PvE or PvP. In both aspects of the game you want to use your skills as effective as possible, line them up in a certain order so that you achieve the highest damage without wasting resources and casts. As for PvE, rotations are often muscle memory. Here's a guideline on how you can try and idealise your rotation.

1. Don't copy a rotation from high-end players. It is far easier to memorise things you come up with yourself. Use other builds as additional input, but come up with your own build. Have a look at the skills that are available to you. Look at the cost, the damage they do and the duration they have. Optimize step-by-step and then consider other guides to see how you can improve.
2. Structure them in a way on your bar that is easily memorable and suits their duration. Line them up clockwise or counter-clockwise so you simply use them one after the other, and some twice or three times in the case of a spammable.
3. Practice on target dummies. It sounds boring and can be frustrating in the beginning, but if you cannot do good damage on one of these, how will you do it in a raid later on?
4. Slowly adjust your rotation to your needs. It is muscle memory, so it will take time.
5. If you go into a new trial or dungeon, ALWAYS leave slots for utility skills. May it be a shield, vigor, whatever. No need in tryharding for the highest dps if you dont know whats going on.

Part Two: Resource Management


While maximizing damage, it is important to take the amount of resources into account, we have figured that out earlier. It is also important to not run out of juice while in combat, because without resources to cast skills from, damage will drop significantly.
In ESO, that is commonly accounted for under the consideration of sustain. In order to maximize damage, you want a level of sustain (or resource management) that lets you not run out of resources until the very end of the fight, or in PvP, lets you sustain as long possible, ideally infinitely. Running out of resources in PvP is a quite certain death.
So if damage maximization is the goal, sustain is a secondary constraint mechanic that needs to be considered. There are various ways of resource gain in ESO, and we will go through them all step-by-step here. They can be classified into four categories: Recovery, Cost Reduction, Heavy Attacks and Flat Restorations.
4.1 Recovery

Recovery is a core mechanic in ESO that everyone automatically has access to. It restores health, stamina and magicka every 2 seconds. Health recovery has a base value of 309 at full level, while stamina and magicka recovery have a base value of 514.

The formula for recoveries generally looks as follows:

Recovery = (Base Value + Flat Recovery Bonuses)*(1+%-Amplifiers)*(1-%-Debuffs)

If you want to convert it to a value per second, you have to divide the formula by 2 because it ticks every 2 seconds by default. It is important to note that the debuffs that are applied to you are not deducted from your Amplifiers, but multiplied instead, making them more effective. Debuffs can be any defile you take, which reduces your health recovery by a %-amount, or the Siphoner CP star, which decreases enemy’s recoveries (all three) by a %-amount). A simple example would be to have base health recovery, with minor and major fortitude and major defile on:

Health Recovery = (309 + 0)*(1+20%+10%)*(1-30%) = 280

So, the 30% do not cancel out, because the defile is applied multiplicatively. Similar to spell damage, critical chance etc., recoveries also have major and minor buffs that amplify them by 20% and 10%, respectively:

Magicka – Intellect
Stamina – Endurance
Health - Fortitude

Only health recovery has a major and minor debuff that reduces it, called defile, reducing it by 30% and 15%, respectively. Health recovery is not a sustain mechanic per se, but it makes sense to explain it together with the other two. There are too many buffs and amplifiers to name them all here, but they all follow the formula as shown above.
A specialty to recovery is that it can be stopped by actions you perform. Sprinting and blocking will stop your stamina recovery while active, and blocking with an ice staff and the tri-focus passive or casting mist-form (vampire skill) will stop your magicka recovery. So if you play a build that sprints a lot or blocks a lot, you should be careful not to invest too much into stamina recovery and go for a reduction in cost of those actions. This brings us to the second sustain tool: cost reduction
4.2 Cost Reduction

Cost reduction is another core mechanic of resource management in ESO. It reduces the cost of your active skills, and therefore contributes to sustain as long as you keep casting something. Here, we can identify a clear tradeoff between cost reduction and recovery. Recovery ticks all the time as long as you do not stop it by performing the abovementioned actions. Cost reduction on the other hand only has a benefit while you are casting skills, or perform the abovementioned actions.
The formula for cost reductions looks as follows:

Skill Cost = (Base Cost * (1 - CP Cost Reduction) - Flat Cost Reduction)*(1 - % - Cost Reduction)

This formula has two key takeaways: firstly, % - Cost Reduction is applied after any flat cost reduction. This means that there is a diminishing return between the two. The more flat cost reduction you have (from jewelry glyphs for example), the less beneficial your % - cost reduction will be (your wind walker medium armor passive for example). Keep that in mind when you go for cost reduction. Secondly, there are cp passive that circumvent this, namely the Foresight and Unchained cp perks. They always apply to the base cost, making them very effective compared to the other cost reduction sources.

Also, stamina cost reduction applies to ALL things that use stamina, unless it is specified otherwise in the tooltip. So, it generally includes Block / Dodge / Sprint / Break Free as well. Also note that stamina skills in ESO have a 15% lower cost. Weapon lines have passives that reduce the cost by 15%, and class skills have that built into their kit by default.

In summary, there is a few things that we can infer from the sustain analysis so far:

• Recovery is most effective when you do not block or sprint much, or when there are breaks in between fights where you can recover.
• Investing heavily into cost reduction through flat and %-sources yields high diminishing returns.
• Cost reduction is best used when you know that you will keep casting skills without noticeable breaks, or when you use a lot of actions that drain resources in between fights as well.
4.3 Heavy Attacks

Heavy Attacks in ESO also restore resource when they are fully charged. Note that some of the weapons do not require you to fully wait until the animation is finished to grant the resource restore, meaning that you can loosen that button earlier. They deal damage and provide sustain, so they are a quite important tool for sustain that you can use.
The formula for the heavy attack resource restoration looks as follows:

HA Resource Restoration = (Base Value * (1 + %-Restoration Amplifiers) + Flat Bonuses) * (Block Reduction)

The base value is weapon-specific and varies depending on the duration of a fully-charged heavy attack. The following base values are all taken on fully leveled characters.

Bow – 2724 ; Dual Wield – 1667 ; Twohander – 2426 ; One-Hand and Shield – 2024 ; Inferno / Ice Staff – 2823 ; Lightning Staff – 3633 ; Restoration Staff – 3219 ; Werewolf – 1617

On top of that base value, % amplifiers are added as usual. Prominent examples are the tenacity CP star, the heavy armor passive revitalize or the Ulfnor’s Favor set. Attacking an enemy that is currently off-balance with a fully charged heavy attack adds another 100% to this variable So when you need resources, attacking an off-balance enemy is the best way to get them, especially since the heavy attack will do another 70% damage. Added on top of the post-amplified restoration are flat buffs, such as the Maelstrom 1H&S set (Rampaging Slash) or the Arch-Mage set.
Lastly, it is important to note that enemies can halve your restoration by blocking the heavy attack. So if you see an enemy heavy attacking you, blocking it (if you cannot dodge it) is another feasible way of reducing the effectiveness further.

4.4 Flat Restorations

Besides the threeabovementioned mechanics, ESO has a lot of other factors that grant resources back. I will not go through all of them here, but will mention some of them that are most commonly used, such as Minor Magickasteal, Undaunted Command and the Combustion / Shards Synergy and Class-Specific Sources.

Minor Magickasteal is very important due to its strength. Magicka skills in ESO have a 15% higher cost compared to stamina skills (as mentioned above), and minor magickasteal can be used to cancel that. The 15% cost reduction on stamina skills is also why there is no minor staminasteal in ESO. Minor Magickasteal restores 300 Magicka whenever you deal damage to a target inflicted with the debuff, which is one of the most powerful sustain tools in the game, in both pve and pvp. Also interesting in that regard is the undaunted command passive. It restores 4 % of your resource pools to you whenever you use a synergy. In group content, this can be very useful and significant, as long as there are enough synergies around to use.
Paired with the combustion synergy that comes from the necrotic orb and its morphs or spear shards and its morphs, this is a very potent sustain tool. The synergy from these abilites restores 3960 magicka or stamina, whichever resource pool is higher. With scalebreaker, the necrotic orb skill was changed to allow any ally to activate it, instead of one per orb cast. In any group, may it be pve or pvp, this skill is mandatory to have because of the large sustain improvement it grants to the whole team.

Every Class in eso has different flat sources of sustain, and i will list the main sources of classes on here:

Sorcerer - Dark Conversion and Morphs ; Rebate Passive ; Endless Fury Morph
Dragonknight - Battle Roar Passive ; Combustion Passive ; Helping Hands Passive
Warden - Betty Netch and Morphs ; Nature's Gift ; Crystallized Shield and Morphs
Necromancer - Death Gleaming Passive ; Mystic Siphon Morph ; Expunge and Modify Morph
Nightblade - Siphoning Strikes Morphs ; Executioner Passive
Templar - Rune Focus and Morphs ; Repentance


Big shoutout to @Reorx_Holybeard and the UESP crew. The Build Editor where you can find all these formulae as well and play around with builds can be accessed here:

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData

Thanks for reading, i hope you learned a little bit, feel free to ask questions. Also a shoutout to my favourite theorycrafting buddy Chris alias @Nox_Noir, who made lots of people vote for me in the class rep program :smiley:

Cheers,

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    One of the important takeaways is that gear doesn't matter as much as the people following build guide think. Yes, Siroria is exceptionally powerful (and I wouldn't be surprised if it's nerfed a little in a future patch, when Cloudrest isn't the latest and newest content), but for the question of what to pair with Siroria, it doesn't really matter much, and people who shell out hundreds of thousands for a Sorrow set will likely be disappointed at just how small the improvement is.

    And for content where building up full Siroria stacks is a bit impractical (e.g., vAS), old sets like Moondancer are pretty strong.
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  • Siliziumdioxid
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    Thanks for the writeup .. actually why is there no subsection in this forum containing only quality stuff like this.. may have to search for this again in a few weeks and i don't want to click through several pages of combat & charakter mechanics.
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  • Lorem123
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    Masel92 wrote: »
    Then afterwards, we have bonuses that are not amplified by the cp-%, such as food, mundus stones (mage, tower, lord) and certain skills (i dont know any example off the top of my hat).
    It's not skills, it's any and all 5pc "bigger" max stat set bonuses. Necropotence, destruction mastery, imperial physique, plague doctor, etc.

    Also I'm pretty sure I've seen mentioned online quite a few times that CP passive damage increases are no longer multiplicative but additive with other non-CP passive damage increases (class and racial passives, buffs such as berserk and slayer). As of Morrowind if I recall correctly. Not something I've ever personally verified though, unlike the thing about 5pc set bonuses above.
    Edited by Lorem123 on June 28, 2018 4:57PM
  • Masel
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    Lorem123 wrote: »
    Masel92 wrote: »
    Then afterwards, we have bonuses that are not amplified by the cp-%, such as food, mundus stones (mage, tower, lord) and certain skills (i dont know any example off the top of my hat).
    It's not skills, it's any and all 5pc "bigger" max stat set bonuses. Necropotence, destruction mastery, imperial physique, plague doctor, etc.

    Also I'm pretty I've seen mentioned online quite a few times that CP passive damage increases are no longer multiplicative but additive with other non-CP passive damage increases (calls and racial passives, buffs such as berserk and slayer). As of Morrowind if I recall correctly. Not something I've ever personally verified though, unlike the thing about 5pc set bonuses above.
    Yes you're right about these two points, i forgot about these set bonuses, I just tested them myself and adjusted the formula. I also made damage done completely additive because thats what i got on the PTS just now as well. Thanks!

    Doesnt change anything else though :smile:
    Edited by Masel on June 28, 2018 2:56PM
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  • Solinur
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    Excellent writeup, since @Asayre quit Eso stuff like this has been neglected.

    I woul change something though.
    Masel92 wrote: »

    First Part: Calculating Damage

    Let's start with the whole damage formula for a magicka skill and then break it down into pieces:

    Average Damage done = (Skill Coefficient for Maximum Magicka*Maximum Magicka + Skill Coefficient for Spell Damage*SpellDamage+Flat Damage Amps)*(1 + Spell Critical Chance * Spell Critical Damage)*(1 + Damage Done from CPs )* (Spell Armor Mitigation)*(1 + Damage Taken)*(1 + Other Damage Done)

    to

    Average Damage done = (Skill Coefficient for Maximum Magicka*Maximum Magicka + Skill Coefficient for Spell Damage*SpellDamage+Flat Damage Amps)*(1 + Spell Critical Chance * Spell Critical Damage)*(1 + Damage Done from CPs Skills and Passives )* (Spell Armor Mitigation)*(1 + Damage Taken)*(1 + Execute Damage Bonus)*(1 + Bloodthirsty Bonus)
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  • Masel
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    Solinur wrote: »
    Excellent writeup, since @Asayre quit Eso stuff like this has been neglected.

    I woul change something though.
    Masel92 wrote: »

    First Part: Calculating Damage

    Let's start with the whole damage formula for a magicka skill and then break it down into pieces:

    Average Damage done = (Skill Coefficient for Maximum Magicka*Maximum Magicka + Skill Coefficient for Spell Damage*SpellDamage+Flat Damage Amps)*(1 + Spell Critical Chance * Spell Critical Damage)*(1 + Damage Done from CPs )* (Spell Armor Mitigation)*(1 + Damage Taken)*(1 + Other Damage Done)

    to

    Average Damage done = (Skill Coefficient for Maximum Magicka*Maximum Magicka + Skill Coefficient for Spell Damage*SpellDamage+Flat Damage Amps)*(1 + Spell Critical Chance * Spell Critical Damage)*(1 + Damage Done from CPs Skills and Passives )* (Spell Armor Mitigation)*(1 + Damage Taken)*(1 + Execute Damage Bonus)*(1 + Bloodthirsty Bonus)

    Yeah i neglected these to keep it as understandable as possible, but i can add these, they are pretty intuitive :smile: thanks!
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    This should be required reading for anyone looking to enter competitive PvE or PvP. It takes years to unfold and understand the complexity of this game's math without help like this. Outstanding writeup, Masel. :star: I'll be bookmarking and sharing this thread to many people looking to increase their understanding of the game.
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  • Kingslayer513
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    Excellent write up Masel, thanks. I'll be sure to recommend reading this in my guilds.
  • p00tx
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    This is an absolutely phenomenal guide, and exactly the thing I've been looking for. Thank you for taking the time to make it, and I hope the community appreciates the work that went into it. I especially like/appreciate that you encourage build diversity.

    I only have two things to suggest:

    1) Maybe mention that dmg in Cyrodil is halved. A surprising number of players don't know that and it might help them avoid the panic when they see reduced dmg tics during combat.

    [Average Damage done = (Skill Coefficient for Maximum Magicka*Maximum Magicka + Skill Coefficient for Spell Damage*SpellDamage+Flat Damage Amps)*(1 + Spell Critical Chance * Spell Critical Damage)*(1 + Damage Done )* (Spell Armor Mitigation)*(1 + Damage Taken)*(1+Execute Bonus)*(1+Bloodthirsty Bonus)] / 2

    2) There is a counterplay to Oblivion dmg, even if it is a pain in the butt to slot a magicka ability on your bar, especially for stam players. I run a morph of either cleansing ritual or purge on most of my characters in PvP since Sloads came out, and it's very rarely on my recap when I (often) die. It's far, FAR from ideal, but it's an option.
    Edited by p00tx on June 29, 2018 9:09PM
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    wow nice write up mate
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    wow nice write up mate

    Thanks! I will update this next week and include sustain so newer players know that sustain is also an integral part of damage dealing in PvE and PvP.
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  • Masel
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    p00tx wrote: »
    This is an absolutely phenomenal guide, and exactly the thing I've been looking for. Thank you for taking the time to make it, and I hope the community appreciates the work that went into it. I especially like/appreciate that you encourage build diversity.

    I only have two things to suggest:

    1) Maybe mention that dmg in Cyrodil is halved. A surprising number of players don't know that and it might help them avoid the panic when they see reduced dmg tics during combat.

    [Average Damage done = (Skill Coefficient for Maximum Magicka*Maximum Magicka + Skill Coefficient for Spell Damage*SpellDamage+Flat Damage Amps)*(1 + Spell Critical Chance * Spell Critical Damage)*(1 + Damage Done )* (Spell Armor Mitigation)*(1 + Damage Taken)*(1+Execute Bonus)*(1+Bloodthirsty Bonus)] / 2

    2) There is a counterplay to Oblivion dmg, even if it is a pain in the butt to slot a magicka ability on your bar, especially for stam players. I run a morph of either cleansing ritual or purge on most of my characters in PvP since Sloads came out, and it's very rarely on my recap when I (often) die. It's far, FAR from ideal, but it's an option.

    I included a general section for that, thanks!
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  • Masel
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    Fixed a minor error in the maximum resource formula that would lead to more than 20% bonus from cps.
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    Annisca Micus - Sorcerer - High Elf - Mag DD - Flawless Conqueror & Immortal Redeemer
    Shéogórath - Dragonknight - Imperial - Stam DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Pilar Joranil - Dragonknight - High Elf - Mag DD - Flawless Conqueror & Gryphon Heart
    Adeline Du Mont - Templar - High Elf - Healer & DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Olivia Thaloran - Nightblade - Dunmer - Mag DD - Flawless Conqueror & Dro'mathra Destroyer
    Pu'jarr Ticklebeard - Sorcerer - Khajiit - Stam DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Treehugger Joe - Warden - High Elf - Healer & Mag DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Stuga Beluga - Templar - Orc - Stam DD - Flawless Conqueror & Dro'mathra Destroyer
    Anna Terra - Warden - Redguard - Stam DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Wamasel - Dragonknight - Argonian - Tank - Flawless Conqueror & Bringer of Light
    Nord Warden - Warden - Nord - Tank - Flawless Conqueror
    Nick Romancer - Necromancer - Imperial - Stam DD - Flawless Conqueror & Extinguisher of Flames
    Revive Me Daddy - Necromancer - Breton - Mag DD - Flawless Conqueror
    PC NA - leveling CP
    Alicia Thaloran - Dragonknight - Dunmer - DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Meowsel - Sorcerer - Khajiit - DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Scarlet Lux - Templar - Dunmer - Healer DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Sneaky Scarlett - Nightblade - Dunmer - DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Treehugger Joe - Warden - Khajiit - Healer & Tank - Flawless Conqueror
    Rh'anjiit - Necromancer - Khajiit - DD - Flawless Conqueror

    Youtube:
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChVEG6ckuAgGs5OyA6VeisA
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    . I can provide statistics on this upon request.
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  • Tai-Chi
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    Super write-up. Thanks! I have bookmarked it and will follow it with interest. :)

    Re: Your para 4 - Oblivion Damage. Can you please give an explanation as to why Oblivion damage is "mostly irrelevant" in PvE?

    I have been looking for a comprehensive answer to that question for almost 3 yrs - but without success. Everyone else seems to be in the know except for poor me. :(



    PC - EU (Main) & PC - NA
  • Revi_Nightfire
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    Excellent guide! I appreciate all the time and effort you spent creating this.
    Revi Nightfire | Imperial Nightblade | Daggerfall Covenant | PC NA
    Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. Feel free to add me if you have questions. @Revi_Nightfire
    Need a Friend? Best Friend? Dungeon Partner? Farming Buddy? Geeker Outer? Add me :]

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  • Solinur
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    Tai-Chi wrote: »
    Super write-up. Thanks! I have bookmarked it and will follow it with interest. :)

    Re: Your para 4 - Oblivion Damage. Can you please give an explanation as to why Oblivion damage is "mostly irrelevant" in PvE?

    I have been looking for a comprehensive answer to that question for almost 3 yrs - but without success. Everyone else seems to be in the know except for poor me. :(



    The main advantage is that oblivion damage can't be resisted. Balance considerations then dictate that oblivion damage is lower then other damage options. Only when resistance comes into play, oblivion damage is superior. See for example the values of weapon enchants. And when you try them on a dummy.
    However setups in trials usually have groups adjusting their penetration and resistance debuffs in a way, where the remaining resistance is almost zero. In such a scenario other damage is always higher than oblivion damage. Since this content is the one where it is really necessary to optimize one could generally say that for PvE it is generally not useful even if it might be for some 4 man group constellations.

    In pvp this is very different. Many play builds with high mitigation and thus oblivion damage makes a lot of sense there.
    @Solinur Pact EU - PC (Solinur: Templar - Magicka DD, Moves-like-Günther: Sorcerer - Stamina DD, Kinara Sol: Templar - Stamina DD, )
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  • Sparr0w
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    Tai-Chi wrote: »
    Super write-up. Thanks! I have bookmarked it and will follow it with interest. :)

    Re: Your para 4 - Oblivion Damage. Can you please give an explanation as to why Oblivion damage is "mostly irrelevant" in PvE?

    I have been looking for a comprehensive answer to that question for almost 3 yrs - but without success. Everyone else seems to be in the know except for poor me. :(



    Oblivion is less damage than most other proc sets, pen cap is fairly easy to achieve, PvE ads don't shield stack.

    EDIT: Also oblivion dmg cannot be buffed by anything, you always just get the stated value.
    Edited by Sparr0w on July 2, 2018 10:46AM
    @Sparr0w so I get the notification
    Xbox (EU) - l Sparrow x | CP 810+
    DD: All Mag + Stam
    Heal: Templar | Sorc | NB | Warden | Necro
    Tank: NB | DK | Warden
    Completions: All HM's + TTT + IR + GH
    PC (EU) - Sparrxw | CP 810+
    DD: All Mag + Stam
    Heal: Templar | Sorc
    Tank: DK | NB
    Completions: All HM's + TTT + IR + GH + GS
  • mpicklesster
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    This is the kind of transparency we need! For example, all of the info about Skill Coefficients was tremendously eye-opening. Looking through some of the coefficients made me understand why so many damage abilities scale off of weapon/spell damage more heavily than stamina/magicka. I would never have known that without this level of transparency!

    Also--this made me LOL so hard: "In any other case, julianos, burning spellweave and destruction mastery for example are just as good as mother's sorrow. So dont let someone rip you off by paying 500k for a staff of MS, instead, craft yourself Julianos and do something useful with your money. Send someone tons of potatoes, for example."
  • Solinur
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    This is the kind of transparency we need! For example, all of the info about Skill Coefficients was tremendously eye-opening. Looking through some of the coefficients made me understand why so many damage abilities scale off of weapon/spell damage more heavily than stamina/magicka. I would never have known that without this level of transparency!

    Also--this made me LOL so hard: "In any other case, julianos, burning spellweave and destruction mastery for example are just as good as mother's sorrow. So dont let someone rip you off by paying 500k for a staff of MS, instead, craft yourself Julianos and do something useful with your money. Send someone tons of potatoes, for example."

    This is nothing new. It has been known for a long time. But it was mostly communicated at other places which by now have simply died off.
    @Solinur Pact EU - PC (Solinur: Templar - Magicka DD, Moves-like-Günther: Sorcerer - Stamina DD, Kinara Sol: Templar - Stamina DD, )
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  • anitajoneb17_ESO
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    Bookmarked.
    Haven't read it all yet (I'll "eat & digest" chunk by chunk) but this is AMAZING WORK ! Thank you !
  • Jaimeh
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    Thank you for puting this together, it must have taken a lot of effort! I didn't read through all of it, but bookmarked to read later. There are so many things I wasn't aware of, or was confused by, like status effects, so this is really helpful!
    @stargold

    PC/NA CP810

    AD Nefelyn - Altmer Sorcerer - DD ǀ The Flawless Conqueror ǀ Master Angler ǀ Spirit Slayer ǀ Hero of all the things (fine, some of the things)
    DC Bastiene - Breton Templar - Healer ǀ The Flawless Conqueror ǀ Prefect ǀ Spirit Slayer
    AD Niobeh - Dunmer Nightblade - DD ǀ The Flawless Conqueror ǀ Black Market Mogul ǀ Master Thief ǀ Silencer (but we don’t talk about that) ǀ Spirit Slayer
    AD Ashayam - Khajiit Sorcerer - DD ǀ The Flawless Conqueror ǀ Spirit Slayer
    DC Sydhe Narjes - Redguard Nightblade - DD ǀ The Flawless Conqueror
    DC Eva Saint Claire - Breton Warden - Healer ǀ The Flawless Conqueror ǀ Spirit Slayer
    EP Rruns-With-Scissors ­- Argonian Dragoknight - Tank ǀ He’s a good boy, OK Bront?
    EP Moiranni Deyr - Dunmer Dragonknight - Healer ǀ The Flawless Conqueror ǀ Spirit Slayer
    DC Anur Imagua - Redguard Templar - DD ǀ The Flawless Conqueror ǀ Spirit Slayer
    AD Azoke Sen - Imperial Sorcerer - Tank ǀ The Flawless Conqueror ǀ Spirit Slayer
    DC Sàverin - Orc Warden - DD ǀ The Flawless Conqueror ǀ Spirit Slayer
    DC Zuwane Okoye - Redguard Dragonknight - DD ǀ The Flawless Conqueror ǀ Spirit Slayer
    DC Telella - Dunmer Nightblade - DD ǀ The more the merrier ǀ The Flawless Conqueror ǀ Spirit Slayer
    DC Mal the Ghost Whisperer - Orc Necromancer - DD ǀ The Flawless Conqueror ǀ Spirit Slayer
    DC Riad Phoenix-Song - Breton Necromancer - Healer ǀ The Flawless Conqueror ǀ Spirit Slayer


    PC/EU CP810

    AD Ariadne Teledine - Altmer Sorcerer - DD ǀ The Flawless Conqueror
    EP Máyim - Dunmer Nightblade - DD ǀ The Flawless Conqueror ǀ Spirit Slayer
    DC Surjan - Orc Nightblade - DD ǀ The Flawless Conqueror ǀ Spirit Slayer
    DC Maven Asari - Orc Necromancer - DD
    DC Aliya Voltaris - Orc Sorcerer - DD
    DC Mesríne - Orc Warden - DD
    EP Speaks-In-Riddles - Argonian Dragonknight - Tank
    DC Abelia Cassine - Breton Templar - Healer
    DC Kirin Swiftblade - Khajiit Nightblade - DD


    vSO HM · vAA HM · vHRC HM · vMOL HM · vHOF HM · vAS HM · vCR HM · vSS HM· vKA · vDSA · vBRP · vMA · vVH

    It's not zerging if we are all solo and just happen to go to the same place independently xD
  • Masel
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    Jaimeh wrote: »
    Thank you for puting this together, it must have taken a lot of effort! I didn't read through all of it, but bookmarked to read later. There are so many things I wasn't aware of, or was confused by, like status effects, so this is really helpful!

    3 1/2 hours to be correct, so it wasnt too much. I can be pretty productive when I want to :smiley: glad you appreciate it!
    Edited by Masel on July 2, 2018 12:21PM
    PC EU - CP 1100+
    Intis Ravelen - Nightblade - Redguard - Stam DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Annisca Micus - Sorcerer - High Elf - Mag DD - Flawless Conqueror & Immortal Redeemer
    Shéogórath - Dragonknight - Imperial - Stam DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Pilar Joranil - Dragonknight - High Elf - Mag DD - Flawless Conqueror & Gryphon Heart
    Adeline Du Mont - Templar - High Elf - Healer & DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Olivia Thaloran - Nightblade - Dunmer - Mag DD - Flawless Conqueror & Dro'mathra Destroyer
    Pu'jarr Ticklebeard - Sorcerer - Khajiit - Stam DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Treehugger Joe - Warden - High Elf - Healer & Mag DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Stuga Beluga - Templar - Orc - Stam DD - Flawless Conqueror & Dro'mathra Destroyer
    Anna Terra - Warden - Redguard - Stam DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Wamasel - Dragonknight - Argonian - Tank - Flawless Conqueror & Bringer of Light
    Nord Warden - Warden - Nord - Tank - Flawless Conqueror
    Nick Romancer - Necromancer - Imperial - Stam DD - Flawless Conqueror & Extinguisher of Flames
    Revive Me Daddy - Necromancer - Breton - Mag DD - Flawless Conqueror
    PC NA - leveling CP
    Alicia Thaloran - Dragonknight - Dunmer - DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Meowsel - Sorcerer - Khajiit - DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Scarlet Lux - Templar - Dunmer - Healer DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Sneaky Scarlett - Nightblade - Dunmer - DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Treehugger Joe - Warden - Khajiit - Healer & Tank - Flawless Conqueror
    Rh'anjiit - Necromancer - Khajiit - DD - Flawless Conqueror

    Youtube:
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChVEG6ckuAgGs5OyA6VeisA
  • Masel
    Masel
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    . I can provide statistics on this upon request.
    .

    I am requesting.

    I will provide them later on, still at work right now!
    PC EU - CP 1100+
    Intis Ravelen - Nightblade - Redguard - Stam DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Annisca Micus - Sorcerer - High Elf - Mag DD - Flawless Conqueror & Immortal Redeemer
    Shéogórath - Dragonknight - Imperial - Stam DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Pilar Joranil - Dragonknight - High Elf - Mag DD - Flawless Conqueror & Gryphon Heart
    Adeline Du Mont - Templar - High Elf - Healer & DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Olivia Thaloran - Nightblade - Dunmer - Mag DD - Flawless Conqueror & Dro'mathra Destroyer
    Pu'jarr Ticklebeard - Sorcerer - Khajiit - Stam DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Treehugger Joe - Warden - High Elf - Healer & Mag DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Stuga Beluga - Templar - Orc - Stam DD - Flawless Conqueror & Dro'mathra Destroyer
    Anna Terra - Warden - Redguard - Stam DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Wamasel - Dragonknight - Argonian - Tank - Flawless Conqueror & Bringer of Light
    Nord Warden - Warden - Nord - Tank - Flawless Conqueror
    Nick Romancer - Necromancer - Imperial - Stam DD - Flawless Conqueror & Extinguisher of Flames
    Revive Me Daddy - Necromancer - Breton - Mag DD - Flawless Conqueror
    PC NA - leveling CP
    Alicia Thaloran - Dragonknight - Dunmer - DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Meowsel - Sorcerer - Khajiit - DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Scarlet Lux - Templar - Dunmer - Healer DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Sneaky Scarlett - Nightblade - Dunmer - DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Treehugger Joe - Warden - Khajiit - Healer & Tank - Flawless Conqueror
    Rh'anjiit - Necromancer - Khajiit - DD - Flawless Conqueror

    Youtube:
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChVEG6ckuAgGs5OyA6VeisA
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    bookmarked. this is amazing. thank you.
  • Masel
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    Added sustain, a stamina set comparison and improved the formatting so you can find what you're looking for easier.
    PC EU - CP 1100+
    Intis Ravelen - Nightblade - Redguard - Stam DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Annisca Micus - Sorcerer - High Elf - Mag DD - Flawless Conqueror & Immortal Redeemer
    Shéogórath - Dragonknight - Imperial - Stam DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Pilar Joranil - Dragonknight - High Elf - Mag DD - Flawless Conqueror & Gryphon Heart
    Adeline Du Mont - Templar - High Elf - Healer & DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Olivia Thaloran - Nightblade - Dunmer - Mag DD - Flawless Conqueror & Dro'mathra Destroyer
    Pu'jarr Ticklebeard - Sorcerer - Khajiit - Stam DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Treehugger Joe - Warden - High Elf - Healer & Mag DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Stuga Beluga - Templar - Orc - Stam DD - Flawless Conqueror & Dro'mathra Destroyer
    Anna Terra - Warden - Redguard - Stam DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Wamasel - Dragonknight - Argonian - Tank - Flawless Conqueror & Bringer of Light
    Nord Warden - Warden - Nord - Tank - Flawless Conqueror
    Nick Romancer - Necromancer - Imperial - Stam DD - Flawless Conqueror & Extinguisher of Flames
    Revive Me Daddy - Necromancer - Breton - Mag DD - Flawless Conqueror
    PC NA - leveling CP
    Alicia Thaloran - Dragonknight - Dunmer - DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Meowsel - Sorcerer - Khajiit - DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Scarlet Lux - Templar - Dunmer - Healer DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Sneaky Scarlett - Nightblade - Dunmer - DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Treehugger Joe - Warden - Khajiit - Healer & Tank - Flawless Conqueror
    Rh'anjiit - Necromancer - Khajiit - DD - Flawless Conqueror

    Youtube:
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChVEG6ckuAgGs5OyA6VeisA
  • Masel
    Masel
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    . I can provide statistics on this upon request.
    .

    I am requesting.

    There you go:

    CKPQjom.jpg

    This shows how much mitigation you have to achieve in order to reach the break-even point between a dagger and a mace.

    This depends largely on the critical chance and critical damage you have. If your critical chance is low, a dagger is giving you more additional damage than in a scenario where you already have more critical chance.

    Example: If you are a stamina sorcerer that has 50% critical chance before the 5% from the dagger is added, you'd be better off using a amce if your enemy with 18200 resistance has less than 7065 of debuffs on him. So in any case where that is not achieved, a mace will give you more damage than a dagger. If you have 64% critical chance prior to a dagger (if you are khajiit, use advancing yokeda or something similar), then you need 7719 of debuffs to benefit more from a dagger than a mace.

    What I'm saying is that since the removal of Unique Penetration Debuffs, the border between thos weapons has been reduced significantly, since you can not obtain that amount of penetration as easily. On bosses yes, but in many trials where you are alone and Tanks will not debuff enemies enough (2nd Boss Upstairs vHoF, 4th Boss vHoF, vCR if you go in the shadow realm, vAS for protectors and minibosses etc), then you can also use a mace. Nightblades have a higher critical base chance due to their assassination passive, but also have higher critical damage.
    Edited by Masel on July 6, 2018 10:47AM
    PC EU - CP 1100+
    Intis Ravelen - Nightblade - Redguard - Stam DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Annisca Micus - Sorcerer - High Elf - Mag DD - Flawless Conqueror & Immortal Redeemer
    Shéogórath - Dragonknight - Imperial - Stam DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Pilar Joranil - Dragonknight - High Elf - Mag DD - Flawless Conqueror & Gryphon Heart
    Adeline Du Mont - Templar - High Elf - Healer & DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Olivia Thaloran - Nightblade - Dunmer - Mag DD - Flawless Conqueror & Dro'mathra Destroyer
    Pu'jarr Ticklebeard - Sorcerer - Khajiit - Stam DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Treehugger Joe - Warden - High Elf - Healer & Mag DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Stuga Beluga - Templar - Orc - Stam DD - Flawless Conqueror & Dro'mathra Destroyer
    Anna Terra - Warden - Redguard - Stam DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Wamasel - Dragonknight - Argonian - Tank - Flawless Conqueror & Bringer of Light
    Nord Warden - Warden - Nord - Tank - Flawless Conqueror
    Nick Romancer - Necromancer - Imperial - Stam DD - Flawless Conqueror & Extinguisher of Flames
    Revive Me Daddy - Necromancer - Breton - Mag DD - Flawless Conqueror
    PC NA - leveling CP
    Alicia Thaloran - Dragonknight - Dunmer - DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Meowsel - Sorcerer - Khajiit - DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Scarlet Lux - Templar - Dunmer - Healer DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Sneaky Scarlett - Nightblade - Dunmer - DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Treehugger Joe - Warden - Khajiit - Healer & Tank - Flawless Conqueror
    Rh'anjiit - Necromancer - Khajiit - DD - Flawless Conqueror

    Youtube:
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChVEG6ckuAgGs5OyA6VeisA
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