Is Sload's fine?

TheDoomsdayMonster

Sloads is fine

@HankTwo

Zaan's is a single target DoT...isnt it?

Zaan's has hit me far harder than Sloads ever has, so I find your claim that Sloads DoT is stronger than all others to be pure fiction...

Anethum

Slaods need to get reworked

Thogard wrote: »

I like that it keeps NBs out of stealth, but it’s too much dmg.

It should be reworked as a counter for cloak, similar to how shieldbreaker is a counter for shield stacking... but sloads works on everyone and does too much dmg. Lower the dmg by 30% IMO

U're wrong about cloak.
Such things are very bad for system, they hide main questions and break progress.
There should be no such thing as broking cloak from this set, to reveal cloak mechanics OP-ness and to move for redesign these mechanics in general.
And Purge mechanics. (Same story with Durok's bane here - it should not be with 1 sec cooldown, it should have real counter).
Like drugs, which hide symptoms without curing the real problem.

Edziu

Slaods need to get reworked

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

@HankTwo

Zaan's is a single target DoT...isnt it?

Zaan's has hit me far harder than Sloads ever has, so I find your claim that Sloads DoT is stronger than all others to be pure fiction...

zaan can hit harder but not always will hit because :

1. go out of range, everyone was saying about this even not poitong to cloak it or streak, jsut dodge from it, its easy
2. resists/shields affect its damage to be lower, for example in cp its even not hitting hard for me with more resists to different damage in cp
3. ???? outheal it if you are in tankly build?
4. it have really long cooldown and will proc only in melee range, sload you can spam from long range with 3x shorter cooldown
5. once zaan proc and you dont kill your opponend you need to wait 18 sec cooldown to again make pressure on your opponent, with sload you can do pressure 24/7 with sload mechanic and cooldown

and tbh zaan doesnt break class basic defense mechanics like sload do

EDIT: and forgot, you can also jsut purge ZAAN like sload
so I dont see your problem with ZAAN as you playing magplar

HankTwo

Slaods need to get reworked

Ok, I'll stop here. You still just ignored my points (I wrote earlier that the comparison I made is between 5 piece sets as it should be) and even a whole post (see 'outhealing' on page 3), so it can't be helped. Reminds me too much of the story with the pigeon and the chess board.

Gnozo

Slaods need to get reworked

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

HankTwo wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

HankTwo wrote: »

@TheDoomsdayMonster

It seems that your idea of a debate really is to just ignore the main point of the other side. You also apparently main a magplar, which is the best spec in the whole game to counter something like sload's. You should really start to look at other perspectives here mate.

Ok, summarize the other sides Main Point...

I'm betting I've already addressed it, but let's run through it again to be certain...

I’m not sure at this point if you’re just trolling? You keep ignoring the set comparisons. Both @Rianai and me already called you out on this. I reread all your posts and you never addressed it. Guess you lost that bet? But here you go one last time:

Sload’s is overperforming because:
- It does the highest base DPS of all single target DOT proc sets in the game while having the best damage type by far. The difference becomes even greater the more resistances or other defensive mechanisms the target has/uses. Against an opponent with 30% resistances through armor alone (no block or other mitigations) sload’s already outperforms sheer venom by around 75%.
- Once procced it bypasses a huge amount of defensive mechanisms. To my knowledge this includes: resistances (armor), block (including the ult), dodge, shields, cloak, mistform, protection buffs and all other types of damage reduction (nord passives, sets, …). This gives the set huge added utility.
These are the main points.

Additionally:
- It can be procced from all forms of damage including DOTs and AOEs. You can even use it to boost your siege damage against players (even more utility).
- The 2nd to 4th piece bonuses are good for both stamina and magicka players, giving most builds the option to run this set with minimal sacrifice.

If you answer this post without specifically talking about how sload’s is not overperforming in comparison to similar sets, and instead just continue to list your ‘counters’ then this discussion is worthless and I won’t respond anymore.

I also debunked this whole ‘can outheal it, therefore balanced’ nonsense yesterday and -who would have guessed - you just ignored it.

I have addressed these points already, and you never debunked the out healing Sloads issue as it's very easy to out heal (even while Defiled)...

Seems you are the one ignoring talking points as pertains to Sloads...

Okay i will throw one more try to show you that sloads is death for pvp especially in no cp.

I play STAMDK and my vigor ticks for about 1k every seconds with major mending up. Put major defile on me and i sit at about 800 vigor tick, this 800 vigor tick gets eaten by sloads Leaving me with 0 chance to outheal other damage sources. Even without major defile i only have 200 hps left. How to deal with other incoming damage?

I sit at about 8k magicka for my utility skills like igneous shield and vol armor. So one purge and i wont be able to buff up anymore. Even tho purge wont garantue to remove sloads from me cause only 2 negative effects.

My sets are: Bloodspawn, 7th Legion, bone pirate.

If i replace 7th Legion with ur holy wyrd i wont have any damage, if i replace bone pirate i will lose every stam sustain i have.

Now tell me please. How to handle sloads?

Edziu

Slaods need to get reworked

Gnozo wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

HankTwo wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

HankTwo wrote: »

@TheDoomsdayMonster

It seems that your idea of a debate really is to just ignore the main point of the other side. You also apparently main a magplar, which is the best spec in the whole game to counter something like sload's. You should really start to look at other perspectives here mate.

Ok, summarize the other sides Main Point...

I'm betting I've already addressed it, but let's run through it again to be certain...

I’m not sure at this point if you’re just trolling? You keep ignoring the set comparisons. Both @Rianai and me already called you out on this. I reread all your posts and you never addressed it. Guess you lost that bet? But here you go one last time:

Sload’s is overperforming because:
- It does the highest base DPS of all single target DOT proc sets in the game while having the best damage type by far. The difference becomes even greater the more resistances or other defensive mechanisms the target has/uses. Against an opponent with 30% resistances through armor alone (no block or other mitigations) sload’s already outperforms sheer venom by around 75%.
- Once procced it bypasses a huge amount of defensive mechanisms. To my knowledge this includes: resistances (armor), block (including the ult), dodge, shields, cloak, mistform, protection buffs and all other types of damage reduction (nord passives, sets, …). This gives the set huge added utility.
These are the main points.

Additionally:
- It can be procced from all forms of damage including DOTs and AOEs. You can even use it to boost your siege damage against players (even more utility).
- The 2nd to 4th piece bonuses are good for both stamina and magicka players, giving most builds the option to run this set with minimal sacrifice.

If you answer this post without specifically talking about how sload’s is not overperforming in comparison to similar sets, and instead just continue to list your ‘counters’ then this discussion is worthless and I won’t respond anymore.

I also debunked this whole ‘can outheal it, therefore balanced’ nonsense yesterday and -who would have guessed - you just ignored it.

I have addressed these points already, and you never debunked the out healing Sloads issue as it's very easy to out heal (even while Defiled)...

Seems you are the one ignoring talking points as pertains to Sloads...

Okay i will throw one more try to show you that sloads is death for pvp especially in no cp.

I play STAMDK and my vigor ticks for about 1k every seconds with major mending up. Put major defile on me and i sit at about 800 vigor tick, this 800 vigor tick gets eaten by sloads Leaving me with 0 chance to outheal other damage sources. Even without major defile i only have 200 hps left. How to deal with other incoming damage?

I sit at about 8k magicka for my utility skills like igneous shield and vol armor. So one purge and i wont be able to buff up anymore. Even tho purge wont garantue to remove sloads from me cause only 2 negative effects.

My sets are: Bloodspawn, 7th Legion, bone pirate.

If i replace 7th Legion with ur holy wyrd i wont have any damage, if i replace bone pirate i will lose every stam sustain i have.

Now tell me please. How to handle sloads?

he will say you to use food for mag regen if not set or if not purge lol
he doesnt understan like everything except magplar is working on pvp

and I not only once and not only to him was explaining same problemw ith vigor healing which you have....my vigor is healing me for full 905 health per tick on no cp as on stamnb so healing is barely noticable from this when i get even only single sload without defile

TheDoomsdayMonster

Sloads is fine

Gnozo wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

HankTwo wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

HankTwo wrote: »

@TheDoomsdayMonster

It seems that your idea of a debate really is to just ignore the main point of the other side. You also apparently main a magplar, which is the best spec in the whole game to counter something like sload's. You should really start to look at other perspectives here mate.

Ok, summarize the other sides Main Point...

I'm betting I've already addressed it, but let's run through it again to be certain...

I’m not sure at this point if you’re just trolling? You keep ignoring the set comparisons. Both @Rianai and me already called you out on this. I reread all your posts and you never addressed it. Guess you lost that bet? But here you go one last time:

Sload’s is overperforming because:
- It does the highest base DPS of all single target DOT proc sets in the game while having the best damage type by far. The difference becomes even greater the more resistances or other defensive mechanisms the target has/uses. Against an opponent with 30% resistances through armor alone (no block or other mitigations) sload’s already outperforms sheer venom by around 75%.
- Once procced it bypasses a huge amount of defensive mechanisms. To my knowledge this includes: resistances (armor), block (including the ult), dodge, shields, cloak, mistform, protection buffs and all other types of damage reduction (nord passives, sets, …). This gives the set huge added utility.
These are the main points.

Additionally:
- It can be procced from all forms of damage including DOTs and AOEs. You can even use it to boost your siege damage against players (even more utility).
- The 2nd to 4th piece bonuses are good for both stamina and magicka players, giving most builds the option to run this set with minimal sacrifice.

If you answer this post without specifically talking about how sload’s is not overperforming in comparison to similar sets, and instead just continue to list your ‘counters’ then this discussion is worthless and I won’t respond anymore.

I also debunked this whole ‘can outheal it, therefore balanced’ nonsense yesterday and -who would have guessed - you just ignored it.

I have addressed these points already, and you never debunked the out healing Sloads issue as it's very easy to out heal (even while Defiled)...

Seems you are the one ignoring talking points as pertains to Sloads...

Okay i will throw one more try to show you that sloads is death for pvp especially in no cp.

I play STAMDK and my vigor ticks for about 1k every seconds with major mending up. Put major defile on me and i sit at about 800 vigor tick, this 800 vigor tick gets eaten by sloads Leaving me with 0 chance to outheal other damage sources. Even without major defile i only have 200 hps left. How to deal with other incoming damage?

I sit at about 8k magicka for my utility skills like igneous shield and vol armor. So one purge and i wont be able to buff up anymore. Even tho purge wont garantue to remove sloads from me cause only 2 negative effects.

My sets are: Bloodspawn, 7th Legion, bone pirate.

If i replace 7th Legion with ur holy wyrd i wont have any damage, if i replace bone pirate i will lose every stam sustain i have.

Now tell me please. How to handle sloads?

The question was could Sloads DoT be easily out healed...

I said yes, and you said no...

Your StamDK's Vigor Heals easily cover the damage of Sloads...

Even if you are Defiled, Vigor + your base Health Regen eclipses the Sloads DoT....


Since you proved me right, I accept your concession...

HankTwo

Slaods need to get reworked

Case closed about your inability to discuss. Don't feed the troll guys!

Anethum

Slaods need to get reworked

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

@HankTwo

Zaan's is a single target DoT...isnt it?

Zaan's has hit me far harder than Sloads ever has, so I find your claim that Sloads DoT is stronger than all others to be pure fiction...

Here thread about Sload.
U think it fine because its fine for u (on manaplar?) to counter it.
But, don't u think it's subjective?
At least u should play all classes and to understand their weak and strong sides, as many your opponents really do.
But I'm absolutly sure u don't/
As for me personally, i hate multiple sloads. Like at this screen
(its not my screen, but its very clear to reveal this ***)
And when u go battlegrounds, its usual thing now, 2-3 sloads at a time on u wich u can only overheal (or purge with pocket-healer?).
U fight as a random vs premade group (and u can't choose option to fight pugs vs pugs only, or premade groups vs premade groups).
Premade groups as usual have their healer and use this gap to easy dominate. so it become more usefull for groups vs solo-players or zergs vs small-scales...Big groups already stronger because of numbers...
its help to zero-skilled players to overnumber high-skilled?
If u nb u can't cloak, if u tanky or rely shields u're fcked definitely.
it's not democracy, its homogenization.
But, classes are not equal in access to healing and resourse management.
So, it's even worse... like it was in Soviet Union, or now in one of its demonic childrens - Nothern Korea. Only on paper. From a big distance...
Passive oblivion dot... no efforts to proc it.
Wtf?

@ZOS_Wrobel ?

Sharee

Sloads is fine

Anethum wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

@HankTwo

Zaan's is a single target DoT...isnt it?

Zaan's has hit me far harder than Sloads ever has, so I find your claim that Sloads DoT is stronger than all others to be pure fiction...

Here thread about Sload.
U think it fine because its fine for u (on manaplar?) to counter it.
But, don't u think it's subjective?
At least u should play all classes and to understand their weak and strong sides, as many your opponents really do.
But I'm absolutly sure u don't/
As for me personally, i hate multiple sloads. Like at this screen
(its not my screen, but its very clear to reveal this ***)
And when u go battlegrounds, its usual thing now, 2-3 sloads at a time on u wich u can only overheal (or purge with pocket-healer?).
U fight as a random vs premade group (and u can't choose option to fight pugs vs pugs only, or premade groups vs premade groups).
Premade groups as usual have their healer and use this gap to easy dominate.
If u nb u can't cloak, if u tanky or rely shields u're fcked definitely.
it's not democracy, its homogenization.
But, classes are not equal in access to healing and resourse management.
So, it's even worse... like it was in Soviet Union, or now in one of its demonic childrens - Nothern Korea. Only on paper. From a big distance...
Passive oblivion dot... no efforts to proc it.
Wtf?

If you fight as randoms against a premade group, sload is an absolute non-factor. They will wipe the floor with you no matter what.

Gnozo

Slaods need to get reworked

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

HankTwo wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

HankTwo wrote: »

@TheDoomsdayMonster

It seems that your idea of a debate really is to just ignore the main point of the other side. You also apparently main a magplar, which is the best spec in the whole game to counter something like sload's. You should really start to look at other perspectives here mate.

Ok, summarize the other sides Main Point...

I'm betting I've already addressed it, but let's run through it again to be certain...

I’m not sure at this point if you’re just trolling? You keep ignoring the set comparisons. Both @Rianai and me already called you out on this. I reread all your posts and you never addressed it. Guess you lost that bet? But here you go one last time:

Sload’s is overperforming because:
- It does the highest base DPS of all single target DOT proc sets in the game while having the best damage type by far. The difference becomes even greater the more resistances or other defensive mechanisms the target has/uses. Against an opponent with 30% resistances through armor alone (no block or other mitigations) sload’s already outperforms sheer venom by around 75%.
- Once procced it bypasses a huge amount of defensive mechanisms. To my knowledge this includes: resistances (armor), block (including the ult), dodge, shields, cloak, mistform, protection buffs and all other types of damage reduction (nord passives, sets, …). This gives the set huge added utility.
These are the main points.

Additionally:
- It can be procced from all forms of damage including DOTs and AOEs. You can even use it to boost your siege damage against players (even more utility).
- The 2nd to 4th piece bonuses are good for both stamina and magicka players, giving most builds the option to run this set with minimal sacrifice.

If you answer this post without specifically talking about how sload’s is not overperforming in comparison to similar sets, and instead just continue to list your ‘counters’ then this discussion is worthless and I won’t respond anymore.

I also debunked this whole ‘can outheal it, therefore balanced’ nonsense yesterday and -who would have guessed - you just ignored it.

I have addressed these points already, and you never debunked the out healing Sloads issue as it's very easy to out heal (even while Defiled)...

Seems you are the one ignoring talking points as pertains to Sloads...

Okay i will throw one more try to show you that sloads is death for pvp especially in no cp.

I play STAMDK and my vigor ticks for about 1k every seconds with major mending up. Put major defile on me and i sit at about 800 vigor tick, this 800 vigor tick gets eaten by sloads Leaving me with 0 chance to outheal other damage sources. Even without major defile i only have 200 hps left. How to deal with other incoming damage?

I sit at about 8k magicka for my utility skills like igneous shield and vol armor. So one purge and i wont be able to buff up anymore. Even tho purge wont garantue to remove sloads from me cause only 2 negative effects.

My sets are: Bloodspawn, 7th Legion, bone pirate.

If i replace 7th Legion with ur holy wyrd i wont have any damage, if i replace bone pirate i will lose every stam sustain i have.

Now tell me please. How to handle sloads?

The question was could Sloads DoT be easily out healed...

I said yes, and you said no...

Your StamDK's Vigor Heals easily cover the damage of Sloads...

Even if you are Defiled, Vigor + your base Health Regen eclipses the Sloads DoT....


Since you proved me right, I accept your concession...

Can someone *** ban this troll. I come with valid arguments and this guy is just ***.

It takes all of my healing to outheal ONE STUPID ASS 5 piece. how can u not See how broken this is?

TheDoomsdayMonster

Sloads is fine

HankTwo wrote: »

Case closed about your inability to discuss. Don't feed the troll guys!

??

I answered your question and answered it correctly...

I fail to see what makes me a troll as pertains to this subject...


Btw, if you feel your self healing is insufficient to deal with Sloads, then you should consider Troll King, Orgnum Scales, or Bee Keepers...

Any of those would do wonders to counter Sloads steady damage...

HankTwo

Slaods need to get reworked

Sharee wrote: »

Anethum wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

@HankTwo

Zaan's is a single target DoT...isnt it?

Zaan's has hit me far harder than Sloads ever has, so I find your claim that Sloads DoT is stronger than all others to be pure fiction...

Here thread about Sload.
U think it fine because its fine for u (on manaplar?) to counter it.
But, don't u think it's subjective?
At least u should play all classes and to understand their weak and strong sides, as many your opponents really do.
But I'm absolutly sure u don't/
As for me personally, i hate multiple sloads. Like at this screen
(its not my screen, but its very clear to reveal this ***)
And when u go battlegrounds, its usual thing now, 2-3 sloads at a time on u wich u can only overheal (or purge with pocket-healer?).
U fight as a random vs premade group (and u can't choose option to fight pugs vs pugs only, or premade groups vs premade groups).
Premade groups as usual have their healer and use this gap to easy dominate.
If u nb u can't cloak, if u tanky or rely shields u're fcked definitely.
it's not democracy, its homogenization.
But, classes are not equal in access to healing and resourse management.
So, it's even worse... like it was in Soviet Union, or now in one of its demonic childrens - Nothern Korea. Only on paper. From a big distance...
Passive oblivion dot... no efforts to proc it.
Wtf?

If you fight as randoms against a premade group, sload is an absolute non-factor. They will wipe the floor with you no matter what.

Well know they can do it with 0 skill involved.

Anethum

Slaods need to get reworked

HankTwo wrote: »

Well know they can do it with 0 skill involved.

yeah, that's what i mean, this set ruins pvp in such way

HankTwo

Slaods need to get reworked

That this dude still talks about 'outhealing' to me when I reminded him 2 times already that I addressed it on page 3 of this thread while he ignored it is an absolute joke.

#88 #118 #127

TheDoomsdayMonster

Sloads is fine

Gnozo wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

HankTwo wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

HankTwo wrote: »

@TheDoomsdayMonster

It seems that your idea of a debate really is to just ignore the main point of the other side. You also apparently main a magplar, which is the best spec in the whole game to counter something like sload's. You should really start to look at other perspectives here mate.

Ok, summarize the other sides Main Point...

I'm betting I've already addressed it, but let's run through it again to be certain...

I’m not sure at this point if you’re just trolling? You keep ignoring the set comparisons. Both @Rianai and me already called you out on this. I reread all your posts and you never addressed it. Guess you lost that bet? But here you go one last time:

Sload’s is overperforming because:
- It does the highest base DPS of all single target DOT proc sets in the game while having the best damage type by far. The difference becomes even greater the more resistances or other defensive mechanisms the target has/uses. Against an opponent with 30% resistances through armor alone (no block or other mitigations) sload’s already outperforms sheer venom by around 75%.
- Once procced it bypasses a huge amount of defensive mechanisms. To my knowledge this includes: resistances (armor), block (including the ult), dodge, shields, cloak, mistform, protection buffs and all other types of damage reduction (nord passives, sets, …). This gives the set huge added utility.
These are the main points.

Additionally:
- It can be procced from all forms of damage including DOTs and AOEs. You can even use it to boost your siege damage against players (even more utility).
- The 2nd to 4th piece bonuses are good for both stamina and magicka players, giving most builds the option to run this set with minimal sacrifice.

If you answer this post without specifically talking about how sload’s is not overperforming in comparison to similar sets, and instead just continue to list your ‘counters’ then this discussion is worthless and I won’t respond anymore.

I also debunked this whole ‘can outheal it, therefore balanced’ nonsense yesterday and -who would have guessed - you just ignored it.

I have addressed these points already, and you never debunked the out healing Sloads issue as it's very easy to out heal (even while Defiled)...

Seems you are the one ignoring talking points as pertains to Sloads...

Okay i will throw one more try to show you that sloads is death for pvp especially in no cp.

I play STAMDK and my vigor ticks for about 1k every seconds with major mending up. Put major defile on me and i sit at about 800 vigor tick, this 800 vigor tick gets eaten by sloads Leaving me with 0 chance to outheal other damage sources. Even without major defile i only have 200 hps left. How to deal with other incoming damage?

I sit at about 8k magicka for my utility skills like igneous shield and vol armor. So one purge and i wont be able to buff up anymore. Even tho purge wont garantue to remove sloads from me cause only 2 negative effects.

My sets are: Bloodspawn, 7th Legion, bone pirate.

If i replace 7th Legion with ur holy wyrd i wont have any damage, if i replace bone pirate i will lose every stam sustain i have.

Now tell me please. How to handle sloads?

The question was could Sloads DoT be easily out healed...

I said yes, and you said no...

Your StamDK's Vigor Heals easily cover the damage of Sloads...

Even if you are Defiled, Vigor + your base Health Regen eclipses the Sloads DoT....


Since you proved me right, I accept your concession...

Can someone *** ban this troll. I come with valid arguments and this guy is just ***.

It takes all of my healing to outheal ONE STUPID ASS 5 piece. how can u not See how broken this is?

Why you mad?

Your Vigor heal out paces Sloads...

You should be proud...

TheDoomsdayMonster

Sloads is fine

@Gnozo

If Sloads is such an issue for you then replace Bloodspawn with Troll King and 7th with Bee Keepers...

Your self healing issues will be solved and then you can laugh at a Sload DoT...

Edziu

Slaods need to get reworked

lol, lol and lol

@TheDoomsdayMonster and if we replace our sets for those which you mentione then we dont have both damage and sustain because sets for this we sacrifaced to get better healing if we go with your thinking lol

and what we have? an noob with sload damagging to us with big pressure whiel everything we can do is only outhel it by short time because we wont have sustain to stay longer and with your proposed sets no damage to even try kill this sloadtard

maybe will you finally go outside magplar thinking and will you finally think only magplar have good purify + instane healing in compare to stamina builds and to some mag builds also

TheDoomsdayMonster

Sloads is fine

Edziu wrote: »

lol, lol and lol

@TheDoomsdayMonster and if we replace our sets for those which you mentione then we dont have both damage and sustain because sets for this we sacrifaced to get better healing if we go with your thinking lol

and what we have? an noob with sload damagging to us with big pressure whiel everything we can do is only outhel it by short time because we wont have sustain to stay longer and with your proposed sets no damage to even try kill this sloadtard

maybe will you finally go outside magplar thinking and will you finally think only magplar have good purify + instane healing in compare to stamina builds and to some mag builds also

You gotta give to get; it's your choice...

You can either stay as you are and keep dying or you can adapt and survive...
.
The choice is yours...

Edziu

Slaods need to get reworked

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

lol, lol and lol

@TheDoomsdayMonster and if we replace our sets for those which you mentione then we dont have both damage and sustain because sets for this we sacrifaced to get better healing if we go with your thinking lol

and what we have? an noob with sload damagging to us with big pressure whiel everything we can do is only outhel it by short time because we wont have sustain to stay longer and with your proposed sets no damage to even try kill this sloadtard

maybe will you finally go outside magplar thinking and will you finally think only magplar have good purify + instane healing in compare to stamina builds and to some mag builds also

You gotta give to get; it's your choice...

You can either stay as you are and keep dying or you can adapt and survive...
.
The choice is yours...

adapt to survive and not able to kill someone else? gotcha

TheDoomsdayMonster

Sloads is fine

Edziu wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

lol, lol and lol

@TheDoomsdayMonster and if we replace our sets for those which you mentione then we dont have both damage and sustain because sets for this we sacrifaced to get better healing if we go with your thinking lol

and what we have? an noob with sload damagging to us with big pressure whiel everything we can do is only outhel it by short time because we wont have sustain to stay longer and with your proposed sets no damage to even try kill this sloadtard

maybe will you finally go outside magplar thinking and will you finally think only magplar have good purify + instane healing in compare to stamina builds and to some mag builds also

You gotta give to get; it's your choice...

You can either stay as you are and keep dying or you can adapt and survive...
.
The choice is yours...

adapt to survive and not able to kill someone else? gotcha

You'll still be able to get kills...

I wear 3 Defensive Sets and can still kill...

Feanor

Slaods need to get reworked

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

lol, lol and lol

@TheDoomsdayMonster and if we replace our sets for those which you mentione then we dont have both damage and sustain because sets for this we sacrifaced to get better healing if we go with your thinking lol

and what we have? an noob with sload damagging to us with big pressure whiel everything we can do is only outhel it by short time because we wont have sustain to stay longer and with your proposed sets no damage to even try kill this sloadtard

maybe will you finally go outside magplar thinking and will you finally think only magplar have good purify + instane healing in compare to stamina builds and to some mag builds also

You gotta give to get; it's your choice...

You can either stay as you are and keep dying or you can adapt and survive...
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The choice is yours...

adapt to survive and not able to kill someone else? gotcha

You'll still be able to get kills...

I wear 3 Defensive Sets and can still kill...

When your friends arrive? Or within a group? Or really on your own vs an equally skilled opponent?

Edziu

Slaods need to get reworked

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

You'll still be able to get kills...

I wear 3 Defensive Sets and can still kill...

Edziu wrote: »

maybe will you finally go outside magplar/healbot? and zerg thinking as nobody can kill someone decent with only defensive sets

added something

Gilvoth

Sloads is fine

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

HankTwo wrote: »

Case closed about your inability to discuss. Don't feed the troll guys!

??

I answered your question and answered it correctly...

I fail to see what makes me a troll as pertains to this subject...

because here on this forum, if you disagree with them, then they say we are trolls.

HankTwo

Slaods need to get reworked

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

HankTwo wrote: »

Case closed about your inability to discuss. Don't feed the troll guys!

??

I answered your question and answered it correctly...

I fail to see what makes me a troll as pertains to this subject...

because here on this forum, if you disagree with them, then they say we are trolls.

No, he is not a troll for disagreeing, but for:

a) Challenging people to debates and then ignoring key arguments from the other side
b) Claiming to have addressed arguments while he clearly didn't (just read through this thread)
c) Parroting the same statements over and over while they have been already addressed (outhealing, purging)
d) Offering other stupid 'solutions' which are clearly unsuitable (Beekeeper's 5 piece bonus gives 400 health recovery, that's 240 additional health per second with major fortitude already taken into the equation vs 853 unmitigable damage per second from sload's 5 piece bonus). This thread isn't even about counterplay to sload's, it's about the question whether it's fine in it's current state or not. You can still have counterplay against overperforming sets, you know?
e) Baiting other forum members, see posts #130 and #139

Xsorus

ErMurazor wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

TheRealSniker wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx_FOYdPpOY

Applies Major defile to a Sorc, runs Oblivion Enchants, and Sloads..still takes 12 seconds to take him down from 5% health to 0

You think sloads s the issue here??!? Dualwield with masteraxe, rending slashes. thats what OP in that build.

Umm no, I don't think Sloads is the issue.

I've been trying it out. But I agree with you, if you eat DW Masters axes with Rending Slash.. you're bloody boned.

GreenSoup2HoT

Slaods need to get reworked

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

thanks to the brilliant people in the forums i adapted and now i run 5 wyrd tree + efficient purge on my stamblade (cause it's really efficient) and can finally laugh at the sloadtards

I'd use Seducer honestly speaking. Wyrd is trash for stamina period. At least seducer reduces cost of purge/cloak/fear/race through time/leeching/shade and even Mirage if you run heavy. Its actually really strong.

Not saying Sloads isnt OP. Slotting purge isnt even close to the answer but at least i can some what counter all the dot's currently being used in the meta while working with a small group.

MinarasLaure

Slaods need to get reworked

Make it not stackable.
That's it, whoever dies because of sload on 1vs1 just need to adapt

Waffennacht

Gnozo wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Rianai wrote: »

If you can't Xvs1 someone, then the issue isn't your opponents build ...

You need a lesson in reading comprehension if you think I said anything about myself not being able to Xv1 someone...

You know why we said "l2p" or "git gud"? Cause thats what we did. Putting a lot of work into this game, laying Dead in ground way more then other players did. Rewatched our footage to see what we did wrong and could do better next time.

Now comes sloads. New players put it on and are now able to kill all the good players who killed them before. Now new players feel proud and can finally compare to decent players. But they dont need to learn. They dont need anything. Only put on a set that will close the skillgap. This is frustrating and not rewarding for good players.

And if u would have played more then your magicka templar with 3 defensive set and would try to solo you would see how overperforming this set is and that there are no valid counters to this that every class can utilize.

Btw by solo i mean taking a ressource alone and waiting for players to arrive who you can fight. Not by running right next to the zerg. Thats zergsurfing not solo.

I've done this in No CP campaign.

About every 20 minutes 1 player shows up.

After an hour maybe two show up

After that either no one shows up or all 20 other players.

I notice a lot of players come from a CP perspective. Where I think the Oblivion damage bypassing CP mitigation increases the damage value of sload.

Moot point really.

The only set I really like that I don't feel is OP that I want left alone is Caluurion

TheDoomsdayMonster

Sloads is fine

Feanor wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

lol, lol and lol

@TheDoomsdayMonster and if we replace our sets for those which you mentione then we dont have both damage and sustain because sets for this we sacrifaced to get better healing if we go with your thinking lol

and what we have? an noob with sload damagging to us with big pressure whiel everything we can do is only outhel it by short time because we wont have sustain to stay longer and with your proposed sets no damage to even try kill this sloadtard

maybe will you finally go outside magplar thinking and will you finally think only magplar have good purify + instane healing in compare to stamina builds and to some mag builds also

You gotta give to get; it's your choice...

You can either stay as you are and keep dying or you can adapt and survive...
.
The choice is yours...

adapt to survive and not able to kill someone else? gotcha

You'll still be able to get kills...

I wear 3 Defensive Sets and can still kill...

When your friends arrive? Or within a group? Or really on your own vs an equally skilled opponent?

LoL...


For the record, I routinely get kills solo...

You do realize that a significant portion of the player base is either not very good and/or glass canon?


As a result, I can kill most opponents solo with them really having no chance to kill me...

Now someone who pays more attention to their defensive needs and/or knows what he is doing, then I probably cant kill, but he most likely wont have enough firepower to kill me either...

And that's fine; I'll simply disengage and find a new target...


I play very conservatively, and heavily utilize the stealth elements I've obtained with the Vampiric Dark Stalker passive combined with a large investment in reducing the cost of Sneak, so my Magplar will move around in and stay in stealth for long periods of time which allows me to be selective on who I target to kill...

I will often stalk my opponents and wait for the right place and time to strike (its why I love Imperial City; it allows me to play my Magplar like a Vampiric Nightblade)...

My success rate is very high with my choice of tactics...


So please, stop with the assumptions as to how I play...

I'm either solo or running with 1 or 2 additional players max most of the time...

Only very rarely will join a large, organized, group in Cyrodiil; typically I only do that if not much is happening in IC...