The Invisible Postern Wall Glitch

bigdavid11b16_ESO

ZOS_JesC wrote: »

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i like how this is all we get from a zenimax employee. everything else ignored

VaranisArano

Heimpai wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Heimpai wrote: »

Had a glitch earlier where i used ambush and hit an EP guy who was going into his keep and it glitched me through (had no idea that was possible) but once they killed me 10v1 they tbagged me..

As if i was in the wrong..

So, the thing is that ZOS has said that intentionally exploiting to bypass the need to siege walls is exploiting, including this known glitch/exploit with ambush.

You may have used it accidently. But its still technically an exploit and I've seen people take advantage of it to rush upstairs and kill people defending the inner keep.

Basically, hey, now you know this is possible and is technically an exploit. The players teabagging you have no way of knowing whether you did it accidently or on purpose, and probably assumed you knew about this exploit.

I don’t exploit, if i can’t do it fairly i won’t do it at all

Kartalin wrote: »

Heimpai wrote: »

Had a glitch earlier where i used ambush and hit an EP guy who was going into his keep and it glitched me through (had no idea that was possible) but once they killed me 10v1 they tbagged me..

As if i was in the wrong..

When I've done it in the past I'm usually so surprised it happened that I am immediately killed before I realize I should be defending myself. If you survive the correct approach (non-exploiting one) is to run to the top and jump back out.

I tried, they wouldn’t let me with constant cc

It’s EP in Sotha they have a thing for mass tbagging, if AD or DC are just as bad then smh..i can count the times I’ve been tbagged in other games combined on one hand but ESO is something else

So you didn't exploit, not intentionally, but you ambushed into a keep through a glitch bypassing the need to siege down the door, which is an exploit.

Basically you accidently exploited. No big deal, now you know that can happen when you ambush someone entering a keep.

I mention that it's an exploit because Ive seen people who are absolutely doing it deliberately and taking advantage of this glitch. If you don't fit in that category, and it doesn't sound like you do, don't worry about it.

Reverb

VaranisArano wrote: »

Heimpai wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Heimpai wrote: »

Had a glitch earlier where i used ambush and hit an EP guy who was going into his keep and it glitched me through (had no idea that was possible) but once they killed me 10v1 they tbagged me..

As if i was in the wrong..

So, the thing is that ZOS has said that intentionally exploiting to bypass the need to siege walls is exploiting, including this known glitch/exploit with ambush.

You may have used it accidently. But its still technically an exploit and I've seen people take advantage of it to rush upstairs and kill people defending the inner keep.

Basically, hey, now you know this is possible and is technically an exploit. The players teabagging you have no way of knowing whether you did it accidently or on purpose, and probably assumed you knew about this exploit.

I don’t exploit, if i can’t do it fairly i won’t do it at all

Kartalin wrote: »

Heimpai wrote: »

Had a glitch earlier where i used ambush and hit an EP guy who was going into his keep and it glitched me through (had no idea that was possible) but once they killed me 10v1 they tbagged me..

As if i was in the wrong..

When I've done it in the past I'm usually so surprised it happened that I am immediately killed before I realize I should be defending myself. If you survive the correct approach (non-exploiting one) is to run to the top and jump back out.

I tried, they wouldn’t let me with constant cc

It’s EP in Sotha they have a thing for mass tbagging, if AD or DC are just as bad then smh..i can count the times I’ve been tbagged in other games combined on one hand but ESO is something else

So you didn't exploit, not intentionally, but you ambushed into a keep through a glitch bypassing the need to siege down the door, which is an exploit.

Basically you accidently exploited. No big deal, now you know that can happen when you ambush someone entering a keep.

I mention that it's an exploit because Ive seen people who are absolutely doing it deliberately and taking advantage of this glitch. If you don't fit in that category, and it doesn't sound like you do, don't worry about it.

Wonder how long this will go on without any formal acknowledgement.

VaranisArano

Reverb wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Heimpai wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Heimpai wrote: »

Had a glitch earlier where i used ambush and hit an EP guy who was going into his keep and it glitched me through (had no idea that was possible) but once they killed me 10v1 they tbagged me..

As if i was in the wrong..

So, the thing is that ZOS has said that intentionally exploiting to bypass the need to siege walls is exploiting, including this known glitch/exploit with ambush.

You may have used it accidently. But its still technically an exploit and I've seen people take advantage of it to rush upstairs and kill people defending the inner keep.

Basically, hey, now you know this is possible and is technically an exploit. The players teabagging you have no way of knowing whether you did it accidently or on purpose, and probably assumed you knew about this exploit.

I don’t exploit, if i can’t do it fairly i won’t do it at all

Kartalin wrote: »

Heimpai wrote: »

Had a glitch earlier where i used ambush and hit an EP guy who was going into his keep and it glitched me through (had no idea that was possible) but once they killed me 10v1 they tbagged me..

As if i was in the wrong..

When I've done it in the past I'm usually so surprised it happened that I am immediately killed before I realize I should be defending myself. If you survive the correct approach (non-exploiting one) is to run to the top and jump back out.

I tried, they wouldn’t let me with constant cc

It’s EP in Sotha they have a thing for mass tbagging, if AD or DC are just as bad then smh..i can count the times I’ve been tbagged in other games combined on one hand but ESO is something else

So you didn't exploit, not intentionally, but you ambushed into a keep through a glitch bypassing the need to siege down the door, which is an exploit.

Basically you accidently exploited. No big deal, now you know that can happen when you ambush someone entering a keep.

I mention that it's an exploit because Ive seen people who are absolutely doing it deliberately and taking advantage of this glitch. If you don't fit in that category, and it doesn't sound like you do, don't worry about it.

Wonder how long this will go on without any formal acknowledgement.

The ambushing through a keep wall? Its been acknowledged: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/278031/cyrodiil-cheating-exploiting-you/p1

Now, they don't seem to be able to fix ambush sometimes taking you through doors, any more than they can fix dragonknights leaping onto the keep walls, but both fall into the exploit of bypassing the doors/walls without sieging, same as this issue with broken walls letting people get inside before the walls are sieged down.

Reverb

VaranisArano wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Heimpai wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Heimpai wrote: »

Had a glitch earlier where i used ambush and hit an EP guy who was going into his keep and it glitched me through (had no idea that was possible) but once they killed me 10v1 they tbagged me..

As if i was in the wrong..

So, the thing is that ZOS has said that intentionally exploiting to bypass the need to siege walls is exploiting, including this known glitch/exploit with ambush.

You may have used it accidently. But its still technically an exploit and I've seen people take advantage of it to rush upstairs and kill people defending the inner keep.

Basically, hey, now you know this is possible and is technically an exploit. The players teabagging you have no way of knowing whether you did it accidently or on purpose, and probably assumed you knew about this exploit.

I don’t exploit, if i can’t do it fairly i won’t do it at all

Kartalin wrote: »

Heimpai wrote: »

Had a glitch earlier where i used ambush and hit an EP guy who was going into his keep and it glitched me through (had no idea that was possible) but once they killed me 10v1 they tbagged me..

As if i was in the wrong..

When I've done it in the past I'm usually so surprised it happened that I am immediately killed before I realize I should be defending myself. If you survive the correct approach (non-exploiting one) is to run to the top and jump back out.

I tried, they wouldn’t let me with constant cc

It’s EP in Sotha they have a thing for mass tbagging, if AD or DC are just as bad then smh..i can count the times I’ve been tbagged in other games combined on one hand but ESO is something else

So you didn't exploit, not intentionally, but you ambushed into a keep through a glitch bypassing the need to siege down the door, which is an exploit.

Basically you accidently exploited. No big deal, now you know that can happen when you ambush someone entering a keep.

I mention that it's an exploit because Ive seen people who are absolutely doing it deliberately and taking advantage of this glitch. If you don't fit in that category, and it doesn't sound like you do, don't worry about it.

Wonder how long this will go on without any formal acknowledgement.

The ambushing through a keep wall? Its been acknowledged: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/278031/cyrodiil-cheating-exploiting-you/p1

Now, they don't seem to be able to fix ambush sometimes taking you through doors, any more than they can fix dragonknights leaping onto the keep walls, but both fall into the exploit of bypassing the doors/walls without sieging, same as this issue with broken walls letting people get inside before the walls are sieged down.

I wasn't referring to Ambushing through doors, I was referring to the current bug that causes walls to not render and be bypassable without sieging. As it always has, Zeni's apathy transfers down to become player apathy, and we're seeing entire groups take advantage of the bug.

If they do nothing, they encourage further exploiting of game breaking bugs. If they take punitive action against those exploiting it, they further damage the already dwindling PvP population. Either way is extremely damaging to a game we love, but already see a short shelf life for.

And as always, a timely fix would have kept them out having to choose between two options that are both bad for the state of their game, but they chose to focus on pushing the new content to PTS (and the store), underscoring the worst of what we say about their priorities.

Thunderknuckles

This happened at Nikel very early this morning around 2:30 CST on NA/PC. The SW postern wall LOOKED fine and registered at 100% health, but approximately 40 AD came rolling through it and just obliterated everyone inside.

HaroniNDeorum

I guess we cant name and shame those 40 Ads but they can continue exploiting the game. Ty zos

Thunderknuckles

HaroniNDeorum wrote: »

I guess we cant name and shame those 40 Ads but they can continue exploiting the game. Ty zos

Exactly, and I was dead at an angle where screenshotting it would have proven nothing. Besides, I really didn't have any confidence that ZoS would ban even one of them for doing it. All you could do is roll your eyes and chalk it up as reason number 26 to unsub later in the fall (when some sweet new games are allegedly releasing).

Feanor

4.1.1. and still not fixed. Maybe today's patch finally fixes it.

shaielzafine

It's these kinds of exploitable invisible wall/floor glitches that really *** me off. It's one thing when the floor and walls disappear while in maelstrom arena (like earlier today when I was on round 5 and everything was just floating, no floor or icebergs) but it's another thing when it's in pvp (like the other day when an EP group just walked into an outpost when the walls were still up) because that directly affects other players. I wonder if this is going to be like the infinite loading screens issue where it just keeps getting worse, or if just maybe they're actually going to fix this bug. Instead of adding all new stuff to the game like the pvp teleport stone, I wish they would consider fixing some of the broken bugs & issues that make the game unplayable.

DirkRavenclaw

Well, can not say this about everyone of course, but my >PVP Guild, that had last Night Mad Monday Event made sure over TS that we siege and dont go throught the Invisible Wall. We got also told that it is a bannable Offence. Another thing for that we submitted Tickets is, last Night a enemy Faction could build a Forward Camp right next to a unflagged Keep. We where really surprised to find there Camp where we found it

Feanor

No fix in 4.0.12. This is ridiculous.

frozywozy

Feanor wrote: »

No fix in 4.0.12. This is ridiculous.

The funny part is, the crafting bag is so useful that it keeps people subbed.
If it wasn't for that, they would most likely lose 90% of their subs.

Reverb

@ZOS_BrianWheeler anyone home?

Feanor

frozywozy wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

No fix in 4.0.12. This is ridiculous.

The funny part is, the crafting bag is so useful that it keeps people subbed.
If it wasn't for that, they would most likely lose 90% of their subs.

True that. Seems that the people who told you that ZOS is „aware“ didn’t tell you who exactly is „aware“.

frozywozy

Feanor wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

No fix in 4.0.12. This is ridiculous.

The funny part is, the crafting bag is so useful that it keeps people subbed.
If it wasn't for that, they would most likely lose 90% of their subs.

True that. Seems that the people who told you that ZOS is „aware“ didn’t tell you who exactly is „aware“.

Yeah I'm really disappointed. I understand that people communicating the information aren't necessary responsible for the problem and/or the ones taking decisions to action the fix, but I would have expected at least that a problem/exploit as serious as this one would have been resolved a few days after it got acknowledged, to not say the SAME day.

Feanor

frozywozy wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

No fix in 4.0.12. This is ridiculous.

The funny part is, the crafting bag is so useful that it keeps people subbed.
If it wasn't for that, they would most likely lose 90% of their subs.

True that. Seems that the people who told you that ZOS is „aware“ didn’t tell you who exactly is „aware“.

Yeah I'm really disappointed. I understand that people communicating the information aren't necessary responsible for the problem and/or the ones taking decisions to action the fix, but I would have expected at least that a problem/exploit as serious as this one would have been resolved a few days after it got acknowledged, to not say the SAME day.

I mean, the Scalecaller and Fang Lair Crown Store motifs got fixed. That’s something.

Runs

Why isn't this fixed yet?

There is a very simple solution, even if it's just a temporary one till the main issue is fixed.

Since when this bug happens the door stays, and is usable by the right alliance only... All that is needed is an invisible wall around the door covering the open parts like below(Imagine the gray area is an invisible wall) on every postern door...




Now this invisible wall will still be there even when the wall collapses, but at that point the door will be gone and people can walk through it. Then enemies can only get in when they are supposed to, even though they have a slightly smaller entry way than normal.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom any chance of seeing if this could be done as a temporary fix?

valeriiya

This is going to be a real issue if it isn't fixed by midyear mayhem

Damien_Uvirith

valeriiya wrote: »

This is going to be a real issue if it isn't fixed by midyear mayhem

So it's going to be a real issue. Because we all know it won't be fixed in time.

If everyone in Vivec just started piling into high pop zones and mass dueling, maybe the server lag would *** PvE'ers off enough and consequentially get ZOS' attention when they complain.

Druid40

Not everyone purposely gap closes into keeps through doorways. Hopping in through a glitched wall requires intent.

dtsharples

Started to see this on actual outer keep walls last night too.
Once at Faregyl and once at Aleswell.
Didn't manage to get a video because the zerg was real.

frozywozy

At this point I don't even know anymore what would be considered a problem important enough to require a hotfix in a 24hours duration, or what would be fixed in the next Monday maintenance.

RaddlemanNumber7

I saw this at Sejanus yesterday on Vivec. Everyone was so very well behaved. Nobody hopped through the gap that I saw. Attackers sieged the other two doors. It was really pleasing to see all the players doing the right thing.

The Uninvited

To add to this, has anyone also experienced invisible doors? Last night we sieged a main gate and when it was down, all but 4 or 5 players went into the keep while they were stuck running into an invisible door???

frozywozy

The Uninvited wrote: »

To add to this, has anyone also experienced invisible doors? Last night we sieged a main gate and when it was down, all but 4 or 5 players went into the keep while they were stuck running into an invisible door???

There is also a bug where the door will be 0 hps on your screen and you won't be able to siege it down. In reality, the door is down on the server and on most of people's screen. You have to reloadui to fix it.

dtsharples

Watching 6 or 7 people walk right through a door and then trying yourself and pretty much face-planting into it.
Then being sniped because you are stood there wondering [snip] just happened...

The Uninvited wrote: »

To add to this, has anyone also experienced invisible doors? Last night we sieged a main gate and when it was down, all but 4 or 5 players went into the keep while they were stuck running into an invisible door???

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ZOS_BrianWheeler

Just a heads up, we have been working on this one a while. There have been a several fixes internally, but like an onion, we peel back one fix and find something else causing these invisible walls. We are still working on this however, it's just taking longer than we all want and thank you for your patience.

VaranisArano

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Just a heads up, we have been working on this one a while. There have been a several fixes internally, but like an onion, we peel back one fix and find something else causing these invisible walls. We are still working on this however, it's just taking longer than we all want and thank you for your patience.

Good to know you all are working on it!

Question:

In this post: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/278031/cyrodiil-cheating-exploiting-you/p1 Jessica Folsom says,

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

To summarize, if you are using abilities such as gap closers to do things that are not within the realm of intended design and/or bypassing core game mechanics, such as entering keeps without downing doors and/or walls and getting under the environment (ground, water, etc.), you are exploiting. In short: don’t do it. If we catch you exploiting and/or cheating, even once, it is grounds for disciplinary action up to and including a permanent ban of your game account. If in doubt about whether or not certain actions or activity are considered exploiting, you are welcome to ask us here on the forums.

Taking advantage of these invisible walls certain seems like bypassing core game mechanics, such as entering keeps without downing doors and/or walls to me.

Can you comment on the issue of taking advantage of invisible walls as an exploit? As we still see players taking advantage of the invisible walls, it would be nice to have a more specific comment on the situation, especially if these layers of problems are causing a delay in getting a fix rolled out.

Universe

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Just a heads up, we have been working on this one a while. There have been a several fixes internally, but like an onion, we peel back one fix and find something else causing these invisible walls. We are still working on this however, it's just taking longer than we all want and thank you for your patience.

That's good
Hopefully you will fix it soon.

P.S - I hope you will have a fix for the IC exploit in the near future.
You know of what I speak