The 1-GCD Sorc Gank Builds are Extremely Overperforming

Bfish22090

Thogard wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

EDIT:
I'd also like to point out that my track record for things that I QQ about has been pretty spot on.

1. Sub assault + dawnbreaker + reverse slice combo overperforming (still is)
2. Cloak causing DBOS to glitch / miss, which it does
3. the BG matchmaking system
4. Earthgore overperforming (pre summerset)
5. Overloads + hardcast cfrag in summer

that's pretty much it.

plz put this "running list" in your signature

Juhasow

Phage wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Meanwhile magDK is still OP to some magSorc and stamBlades

Every class is OP to someone.

These posts are as common as grains of salt in a shaker, and they taste just the same.

The problem is despite 2-3 builds currently every build overperforms and gives brainless features.

Waffennacht

Juhasow wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Meanwhile magDK is still OP to some magSorc and stamBlades

Every class is OP to someone.

These posts are as common as grains of salt in a shaker, and they taste just the same.

The problem is despite 2-3 builds currently every build overperforms and gives brainless features.

Kinda my thoughts.

Reminds me of Affinity decks in MTG.

It's like 4 different viable OP AF builds and maybe 2 builds that are direct counters to the other 4

bardx86

Minalan wrote: »

Jsmalls wrote: »

You should have joined the hundreds of magSorcs laughing on PTS when they changed the empower to work with light attacks @ 40%. Zip, zip, dead. We brought this concern up in the sorcerer balance forums along with RC over performing. We were literally laughing saying is this what they want us doing? They changed the imbue weapons portion, but left the real killer 40% empower alive and strong.

Can't blame magSorcs at this point. We're just using our low cost single target burst Ultimate that we've asked so long for

ZOS was warned. Repeatedly. I admit to have used overload on a few occasions when some genius attacks me out of stealth when I’m on my overload bar trying to meditate or something.

The hate tells have been really juicy.

If ZOS cared they would stop light attack bonuses from affecting O/L LA

hey you used overload on me!

Sergykid

yep, here had the same scenario. I'm in heavy armor full impenetrable, with 25k+ resists active with buffs, 8% dmg reduction from the rune (templar), and still i got 10k damage per light attack overload. That's a damn high lot of damage for 25 ultimate. My DBoS deals also 10k in pvp yes, but that's 5k impact and 5k dot, but it has an aoe and stun effect. Still, it's 125 ultimate against 25 ultimate, for same damage.

Feanor

@Sergykid

It’s a lot easier to dodge though unless Rune Cage comes in.

PhoenixGrey

Thogard wrote: »

EDIT/DISCLAIMER: this is not a nerf sorc thread. 95% of sorcs don’t use overload as their main source of damage. 100% of good sorcs don’t. This is about a particular build that utilizes overload + hardcast frags. If you don’t hardcast your frags, don’t get defensive... and if you do get defensive because you do hardcast your frags... don’t tell me to learn to play... I mean, you’re the one hard casting frags ...

Anyway, Thank god not many people have caught on yet.

I figured I'd get out in front of this one and make a "nerf" or a "qq" thread first.

Anyway, the combo is a glitchy c-frag done on the overload bar in such a way that the overload light attack and the cfrag hit around the same time. put an execute on first and voila.

my 27k HP heavy armor stam DK in full impen got dropped in less than a second.

Old normal - overload builds were squishy because to stack max mag meant weak light attacks, and to stack light attack dmg meant weak shields.

New normal - Why not both?

EDIT: do i need to "git good"? yeah. Could i have roll dodged it? yeah. Could i have one shot the sorc right back by reflecting it? yeah.. and it's hilarious when a the mag sorc i play with who started this whole craze whines about that happening to him because he EXPLODES.

but just because I still have to git good doesn't mean we can ignore the poor console players with their gamepads. They're so helpless with those gamepads. They have to block first just to rolldodge... thats not very easy for them they'll get blown up with no rebuttal.... let's end this tragedy before it begins.

TL: DR: nerf sorc. (but really just overload light attacks)

On the other hand some classes can visibly gank this patch

Minalan

bardx86 wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Jsmalls wrote: »

You should have joined the hundreds of magSorcs laughing on PTS when they changed the empower to work with light attacks @ 40%. Zip, zip, dead. We brought this concern up in the sorcerer balance forums along with RC over performing. We were literally laughing saying is this what they want us doing? They changed the imbue weapons portion, but left the real killer 40% empower alive and strong.

Can't blame magSorcs at this point. We're just using our low cost single target burst Ultimate that we've asked so long for

ZOS was warned. Repeatedly. I admit to have used overload on a few occasions when some genius attacks me out of stealth when I’m on my overload bar trying to meditate or something.

The hate tells have been really juicy.

If ZOS cared they would stop light attack bonuses from affecting O/L LA

hey you used overload on me!

I was OOM! Energy overload gives it back.

LegacyDM

You know what needs fixing? That damn meteor rune cage combo. It’s cheese.

Thogard

LegacyDM wrote: »

You know what needs fixing? That damn meteor rune cage combo. It’s cheese.

yeah but at least it isn't spammable cheese.

This thing you can do it to one person and then immediately do it to the guy standing right next to him, etc.

if you miss.. or if someone counters it... just do it again.

meteor + runecage depends on a lot of conditions to line up. It's strong AF but it's not ridiculous.

Waffennacht

Sload builds
Overload builds
Cage the Comet builds
Spin2win
Bleed
Zaan
Caluurion
Alchemist Builds

Seems pretty diverse albeit all super hero levels

olesmo

Thogard wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

It's not a glitched frag. The frag is hardcasted and the overload is a light attack.

Pvp is not skill based anymore. It hasn't been for years. I'm saying this as an ex-duelist and a solo player; you can counter the overload frag several different ways but what it really comes down to is you, the dead player, thinks they should've won/survived against the sorc for "reasons" usually related to ego.

I do it, we all do it. They didn't change incap, proc sets, leap, wings, sub assault, or super high execute ranges. They're not going to change a hugely telegraphed, moves at the speed of farts combo.

And even if they do well be right back here next patch having this same discussion with another setup.

Yeah that's the combo. hard casted frag and overload light attack. something about the timing tho makes them hit at the same time, which is what i thought was glitchy.


I'm not worried about sorcs who aren't in overload. This is not a regular nerf sorc thread. I'm not whining about shields or bolt escape or any of that.

It is 100% based on one particular overload build (not blob's) that is popping up on PC NA.

Phage i dont know who you are but im going to assume you're a console player since if you were PC i'd know you... so just wait til this hits.

It's really just this one thing. the new runecage brings sorcs up to a good place where they're strong but not too strong. It's just the overload build that's OP AF.

EDIT:
I'd also like to point out that my track record for things that I QQ about has been pretty spot on.

1. Sub assault + dawnbreaker + reverse slice combo overperforming (still is)
2. Cloak causing DBOS to glitch / miss, which it does
3. the BG matchmaking system
4. Earthgore overperforming (pre summerset)
5. Overloads + hardcast cfrag in summer

that's pretty much it.

I main stamina warden, and have played magsorc for a long time. Loged on my sorc after summerset, and the new rune Cage is broken op. The burst rotation is allmost guaranteed to kill targets 25k hp and lower. And there is no way for my opponent to counter it... he just stunbreaks and dies from execute..

dsalter

thats nothing. if you know the right skill, you can "machinegun" 3 overload light attacks one after the other.
as a healer i wont explain how this is done, i need this to be able to defend myself

Kas

imho part of the problem is ganking from stealth. imho, stealth for everyone and an infuriating skill (not saying OP but certainly a fun killer imho) in cloak for NBs makes this game harder to balance and less fun for everyone, imho.

if not for stealth ganking, the builds you want to discuss would have serious drawbacks when met face to face (a bad frag, much easier to reflect / dodge when you see it coming).

Biro123

dsalter wrote: »

thats nothing. if you know the right skill, you can "machinegun" 3 overload light attacks one after the other.
as a healer i wont explain how this is done, i need this to be able to defend myself

left-click, left-click, left-click. - 3 overloads

leb91han

I play mainly mag sorc and i have to agree this overload gank build should be nerfed . Sorcerers arent supposed to gank, leave that playstyle to nbs. Few days ago i took an 18k overload lol thats crazy , and i have 2.3k crit resist. I tried this gank build once it is really fun. But 2 op.

LumbermillOverlord

i have all 100 in crit resist star
and mage light that prevent vrit dmg from stealth
but still im just getting one shotted! WTF!

IZZEFlameLash

LumbermillOverlord wrote: »

i have all 100 in crit resist star
and mage light that prevent vrit dmg from stealth
but still im just getting one shotted! WTF!

Clearly you should brew or buy some potions.

GreenSoup2HoT

LumbermillOverlord wrote: »

i have all 100 in crit resist star
and mage light that prevent vrit dmg from stealth
but still im just getting one shotted! WTF!

radiant magelight dont mitigate crit no more.

Aedaryl

LumbermillOverlord wrote: »

i have all 100 in crit resist star
and mage light that prevent vrit dmg from stealth
but still im just getting one shotted! WTF!

You really need to l2p

Slotting radiant magelight in summerset is a shame...

If you have 100 points into 1 star, then you have very poor defense and number will always be huge on you

Come EU, want more of people like you

Juhasow

LumbermillOverlord wrote: »

i have all 100 in crit resist star
and mage light that prevent vrit dmg from stealth
but still im just getting one shotted! WTF!

Dont You read hints or what ? It clearly says You should spread !

Kadoin

LumbermillOverlord wrote: »

i have all 100 in crit resist star
and mage light that prevent vrit dmg from stealth
but still im just getting one shotted! WTF!

Not wearing all impen though.

Ashamray

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I LOVE fighting Magsorcs using Overload when I'm on my Magplar. Total Dark and Defensive Posture are very nice to have!

Total dark is strong, but it's actually weaker against overload than it is against non-overloading sorcs. Since a non-overloading sorc is weaving light attacks with their abilities, so it'll hit them twice per GCD instead of once.

@Jimmy_The_Fixer is that possible? I suppose eclipse reflect has 1s cd per target,

Pelican

Sorry for ganking you hahahaha im just tryna have fun while it lasts
Also 100 points into crit resist might be why you are squishy, spread those points out!

Jimmy_The_Fixer

Ashamray wrote: »

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I LOVE fighting Magsorcs using Overload when I'm on my Magplar. Total Dark and Defensive Posture are very nice to have!

Total dark is strong, but it's actually weaker against overload than it is against non-overloading sorcs. Since a non-overloading sorc is weaving light attacks with their abilities, so it'll hit them twice per GCD instead of once.

@Jimmy_The_Fixer is that possible? I suppose eclipse reflect has 1s cd per target,

You're right, it has a hidden gcd.

IAVITNI

Thogard wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

I'm not worried about sorcs who aren't in overload. This is not a regular nerf sorc thread. I'm not whining about shields or bolt escape or any of that.

What? You're saying nerf shields? Leave bolt escape alone. Why is Cloak spam ok but Streak isn't?

Honestly, I hate Blob for releasing the build. Sorcs already have so many glaring problems, this is just going to get them nerfed even more tbh. ZoS is probably going to decrease the range of Frags or take the CC off CB completely and move it onto Lightning Armor to promote diversity.

The problem with balancing sorcs is that they have very powerful tools at their disposal. More often than not, those tools that are overperforming are not addressed and instead we get frag nerfs. Largely due to Fury securing kills so forum warriors post about dying to OP sorcs when they probably would have died anyways since they were in execute range.

Nobody asked for Rune Cage buff.
Nobody Asked for Curse buff.
Nobody asked for Atro Buff (?)
Nobody wants Crystal Blast.
EVERYBODY (except trash sorcs) is pretty much ok with altering how shields work (especially with Pirate Skeleton), which was THE problem with magsorcs outside of Dark Deal in homestead, but instead they nerfed Frags. Twice. Which has given us an OP CC that won't get nerfed because ZoS doesn't undo changes so next Elemental Fury will be changed to a DoT to allow more counter play, reducing sorc burst further.

Make Crystal Blast a stam spammable and just be done with it.

wheem_ESO

Got outplayed last night by 9.8k + 11k overloads while stunned in a BG. Balance is really awesome, I just have to l2p I guess.

MirkoZ

Best ultimate to counter.

Apherius

It's funny, usually people complain about Shield-stacking. and they tell them to " L2P " or to " Change their build" when these sorc complain about being killed by sload stacking or Shield breaker.

Well, that's what they did, they changed their build. they don't bother using shields or sustain sets anymore.

DDuke

Apherius wrote: »

It's funny, usually people complain about Shield-stacking. and they tell them to " L2P " or to " Change their build" when these sorc complain about being killed by sload stacking or Shield breaker.

Well, that's what they did, they changed their build. they don't bother using shields or sustain sets anymore.

I'm fairly sure even the overload gank sorcerers have Hardened+Harness slotted.

In fact they should be getting bigger than average shields thanks to higher than usual magicka pool - the only thing you don't get on a maximum dmg build is good sustain (which you don't need tbh).