Avran_Sylt wrote: »It's a separate damage instance, like an enchantment.
It does not get buffed by things like the CP star that increases light attack damage.
Different setups may have different max mag/spell damage, which will alter its damage.
It can take advantage of projectile based light attacks to create a burst effect, but can also be wasted if not used within 2s.
Micah_Bayer wrote: »Your light attack does dmg and then the skill does dmg. Together. It's strong as hell.
It is not any different than light attack + force pulse... takes the same time to use, only difference is the damage from imbue applies at the exact same time as the light attack, but you can’t use it any faster than the other combination.
Micah_Bayer wrote: »Avran_Sylt wrote: »It's a separate damage instance, like an enchantment.
It does not get buffed by things like the CP star that increases light attack damage.
Different setups may have different max mag/spell damage, which will alter its damage.
It can take advantage of projectile based light attacks to create a burst effect, but can also be wasted if not used within 2s.
Yes but that is my gripe with it. It's like a power truck like assassins will with addition of alpllying automatic status effects.
Avran_Sylt wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »Avran_Sylt wrote: »It's a separate damage instance, like an enchantment.
It does not get buffed by things like the CP star that increases light attack damage.
Different setups may have different max mag/spell damage, which will alter its damage.
It can take advantage of projectile based light attacks to create a burst effect, but can also be wasted if not used within 2s.
Yes but that is my gripe with it. It's like a power truck like assassins will with addition of alpllying automatic status effects.
It is in no way like assassin's will. Assassin's will has tooltips upwards of 18K. This has tooltips near 9K.
op has no clue how the skill works, starts complaining and wants to nerf it.
i'd say, that's the typical clueless forum poster at work.
imbue weapon is for ONE / 1 light attack only.
imbue weapon is NOT increased by effects that increase your light attack damage, because imbue weapon is NOT a light attack. it just gives bonus damage to your light attack.
imbue weapon is NOT stronger than other spammables like surprise attack.
anecdotal evidence like "i got hit by a imbue weapon light attack for 8k while i only get hit by force pulse for 5k." is NOT helpful or proves anything.
educate yourself.
op has no clue how the skill works, starts complaining and wants to nerf it.
i'd say, that's the typical clueless forum poster at work.
imbue weapon is for ONE / 1 light attack only.
imbue weapon is NOT increased by effects that increase your light attack damage, because imbue weapon is NOT a light attack. it just gives bonus damage to your light attack.
imbue weapon is NOT stronger than other spammables like surprise attack.
anecdotal evidence like "i got hit by a imbue weapon light attack for 8k while i only get hit by force pulse for 5k." is NOT helpful or proves anything.
educate yourself.
Micah_Bayer wrote: »mesmerizedish wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »Care to elaborate? How is "broken" or stronger than any of the existing weaves like:
LA+Force pulse
LA+Funnel
LA+Whip
LA+Concealed/Surprise Attack
LA+Cliffracer
etc.
It takes a CD to apply, like any other spammable skill.
It can be abused with sets that buff light attack dmg. Combined with the buff already coming to LA's in the patch notes. Combined with this new skill. You can get some pretty hefty dmg. Maybe 10k+ light attacks in pvp you wouldn't need to use any other skills
No it can't. It's not light attack dmg and does not scale with these sets.
It's a skill that is applied when you do light attack dmg.
It gets buffed by your stats and sets as does any other skill. Even if they aren't tied to the skill itself they buff your current stats and this skill buffs your light attack which is buffed by your stats or sets
Is your argument seriously “Imbue Weapons is overpowered because it is buffed by stat bonuses from sets”?
No because I can kill someone with 2 light attacks and a curse. Maybe a frag too without even trying.
mr_wazzabi wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »mesmerizedish wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »Care to elaborate? How is "broken" or stronger than any of the existing weaves like:
LA+Force pulse
LA+Funnel
LA+Whip
LA+Concealed/Surprise Attack
LA+Cliffracer
etc.
It takes a CD to apply, like any other spammable skill.
It can be abused with sets that buff light attack dmg. Combined with the buff already coming to LA's in the patch notes. Combined with this new skill. You can get some pretty hefty dmg. Maybe 10k+ light attacks in pvp you wouldn't need to use any other skills
No it can't. It's not light attack dmg and does not scale with these sets.
It's a skill that is applied when you do light attack dmg.
It gets buffed by your stats and sets as does any other skill. Even if they aren't tied to the skill itself they buff your current stats and this skill buffs your light attack which is buffed by your stats or sets
Is your argument seriously “Imbue Weapons is overpowered because it is buffed by stat bonuses from sets”?
No because I can kill someone with 2 light attacks and a curse. Maybe a frag too without even trying.
Not 2 light attacks. 2 light attacks with spammables equal to foce pulse. Big difference.
Maybe you died because you're wearing all divines and no impen or cp crit resist.
Micah_Bayer wrote: »mr_wazzabi wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »mesmerizedish wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »Care to elaborate? How is "broken" or stronger than any of the existing weaves like:
LA+Force pulse
LA+Funnel
LA+Whip
LA+Concealed/Surprise Attack
LA+Cliffracer
etc.
It takes a CD to apply, like any other spammable skill.
It can be abused with sets that buff light attack dmg. Combined with the buff already coming to LA's in the patch notes. Combined with this new skill. You can get some pretty hefty dmg. Maybe 10k+ light attacks in pvp you wouldn't need to use any other skills
No it can't. It's not light attack dmg and does not scale with these sets.
It's a skill that is applied when you do light attack dmg.
It gets buffed by your stats and sets as does any other skill. Even if they aren't tied to the skill itself they buff your current stats and this skill buffs your light attack which is buffed by your stats or sets
Is your argument seriously “Imbue Weapons is overpowered because it is buffed by stat bonuses from sets”?
No because I can kill someone with 2 light attacks and a curse. Maybe a frag too without even trying.
Not 2 light attacks. 2 light attacks with spammables equal to foce pulse. Big difference.
Maybe you died because you're wearing all divines and no impen or cp crit resist.
I don't wear impen or have any crit resist. But I have 30k shields and that thing was blowing past my shields like no tomorrow.
Micah_Bayer wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »mr_wazzabi wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »mesmerizedish wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »Care to elaborate? How is "broken" or stronger than any of the existing weaves like:
LA+Force pulse
LA+Funnel
LA+Whip
LA+Concealed/Surprise Attack
LA+Cliffracer
etc.
It takes a CD to apply, like any other spammable skill.
It can be abused with sets that buff light attack dmg. Combined with the buff already coming to LA's in the patch notes. Combined with this new skill. You can get some pretty hefty dmg. Maybe 10k+ light attacks in pvp you wouldn't need to use any other skills
No it can't. It's not light attack dmg and does not scale with these sets.
It's a skill that is applied when you do light attack dmg.
It gets buffed by your stats and sets as does any other skill. Even if they aren't tied to the skill itself they buff your current stats and this skill buffs your light attack which is buffed by your stats or sets
Is your argument seriously “Imbue Weapons is overpowered because it is buffed by stat bonuses from sets”?
No because I can kill someone with 2 light attacks and a curse. Maybe a frag too without even trying.
Not 2 light attacks. 2 light attacks with spammables equal to foce pulse. Big difference.
Maybe you died because you're wearing all divines and no impen or cp crit resist.
I don't wear impen or have any crit resist. But I have 30k shields and that thing was blowing past my shields like no tomorrow.
Like 9-10k non crits
Micah_Bayer wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »themaddaedra wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »Care to elaborate? How is "broken" or stronger than any of the existing weaves like:
LA+Force pulse
LA+Funnel
LA+Whip
LA+Concealed/Surprise Attack
LA+Cliffracer
etc.
It takes a CD to apply, like any other spammable skill.
It can be abused with sets that buff light attack dmg. Combined with the buff already coming to LA's in the patch notes. Combined with this new skill. You can get some pretty hefty dmg. Maybe 10k+ light attacks in pvp you wouldn't need to use any other skills
No it can't. It's not light attack dmg and does not scale with these sets.
It's a skill that is applied when you do light attack dmg.
It gets buffed by your stats and sets as does any other skill. Even if they aren't tied to the skill itself they buff your current stats and this skill buffs your light attack which is buffed by your stats or sets
Alright so you have no idea what you're talking about. G'day.
^this. I had so many problems trying to tell people this set doesn't buff your light attacks. So many people got confused it's incredible. Being confused is something but being a stubborn to not understand what's being said is another thing.Micah_Bayer wrote: »
If you got hit by an 8k Imbue Weapon, then you can get hit by an 8k Force Pulse. They have the same tooltip.
It's not two light attacks. I don't know what you're talking about.
^ this also. There's nothing wrong with the skill. They just let everyone into balance stuff these days.
Imbue Weapons
Casting this skill applies a buff that adds extra Physical Damage to your next two Light Attacks for 2s. One morph turns this into a Magicka skill and applies a random status effect (Burning, Concussed or Chilled). The other morph heals the caster for 15% of the damage done.
Maybe you are running into so many people because you are wrong. I think you should read. Adds a buff that adds extra dmg to your light attack.
It is a separate damage component though, that’s independent from your light attack damage... so things that buff your light attack have no effect on imbue weapons... that is what everyone here is trying to tell you....
If you have tested it on the pts. That is not the case. If it's a bug then that's on zos. It definitely gets buffed. Otherwise it'd have the same dmg with different setups.
Micah_Bayer wrote: »mr_wazzabi wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »mesmerizedish wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »Care to elaborate? How is "broken" or stronger than any of the existing weaves like:
LA+Force pulse
LA+Funnel
LA+Whip
LA+Concealed/Surprise Attack
LA+Cliffracer
etc.
It takes a CD to apply, like any other spammable skill.
It can be abused with sets that buff light attack dmg. Combined with the buff already coming to LA's in the patch notes. Combined with this new skill. You can get some pretty hefty dmg. Maybe 10k+ light attacks in pvp you wouldn't need to use any other skills
No it can't. It's not light attack dmg and does not scale with these sets.
It's a skill that is applied when you do light attack dmg.
It gets buffed by your stats and sets as does any other skill. Even if they aren't tied to the skill itself they buff your current stats and this skill buffs your light attack which is buffed by your stats or sets
Is your argument seriously “Imbue Weapons is overpowered because it is buffed by stat bonuses from sets”?
No because I can kill someone with 2 light attacks and a curse. Maybe a frag too without even trying.
Not 2 light attacks. 2 light attacks with spammables equal to foce pulse. Big difference.
Maybe you died because you're wearing all divines and no impen or cp crit resist.
I don't wear impen or have any crit resist. But I have 30k shields and that thing was blowing past my shields like no tomorrow.
mr_wazzabi wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »mr_wazzabi wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »mesmerizedish wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »Care to elaborate? How is "broken" or stronger than any of the existing weaves like:
LA+Force pulse
LA+Funnel
LA+Whip
LA+Concealed/Surprise Attack
LA+Cliffracer
etc.
It takes a CD to apply, like any other spammable skill.
It can be abused with sets that buff light attack dmg. Combined with the buff already coming to LA's in the patch notes. Combined with this new skill. You can get some pretty hefty dmg. Maybe 10k+ light attacks in pvp you wouldn't need to use any other skills
No it can't. It's not light attack dmg and does not scale with these sets.
It's a skill that is applied when you do light attack dmg.
It gets buffed by your stats and sets as does any other skill. Even if they aren't tied to the skill itself they buff your current stats and this skill buffs your light attack which is buffed by your stats or sets
Is your argument seriously “Imbue Weapons is overpowered because it is buffed by stat bonuses from sets”?
No because I can kill someone with 2 light attacks and a curse. Maybe a frag too without even trying.
Not 2 light attacks. 2 light attacks with spammables equal to foce pulse. Big difference.
Maybe you died because you're wearing all divines and no impen or cp crit resist.
I don't wear impen or have any crit resist. But I have 30k shields and that thing was blowing past my shields like no tomorrow.
This is why your deathlog shows 8k imbue. If you got hit by force pulse it actually could have been 9k.
L2p buddy, Imbue did not kill you. Your build did.
Micah_Bayer wrote: »mr_wazzabi wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »mr_wazzabi wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »mesmerizedish wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »Care to elaborate? How is "broken" or stronger than any of the existing weaves like:
LA+Force pulse
LA+Funnel
LA+Whip
LA+Concealed/Surprise Attack
LA+Cliffracer
etc.
It takes a CD to apply, like any other spammable skill.
It can be abused with sets that buff light attack dmg. Combined with the buff already coming to LA's in the patch notes. Combined with this new skill. You can get some pretty hefty dmg. Maybe 10k+ light attacks in pvp you wouldn't need to use any other skills
No it can't. It's not light attack dmg and does not scale with these sets.
It's a skill that is applied when you do light attack dmg.
It gets buffed by your stats and sets as does any other skill. Even if they aren't tied to the skill itself they buff your current stats and this skill buffs your light attack which is buffed by your stats or sets
Is your argument seriously “Imbue Weapons is overpowered because it is buffed by stat bonuses from sets”?
No because I can kill someone with 2 light attacks and a curse. Maybe a frag too without even trying.
Not 2 light attacks. 2 light attacks with spammables equal to foce pulse. Big difference.
Maybe you died because you're wearing all divines and no impen or cp crit resist.
I don't wear impen or have any crit resist. But I have 30k shields and that thing was blowing past my shields like no tomorrow.
This is why your deathlog shows 8k imbue. If you got hit by force pulse it actually could have been 9k.
L2p buddy, Imbue did not kill you. Your build did.
Sent you a little something sweetie. You l2p.
Micah_Bayer wrote: »mr_wazzabi wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »mr_wazzabi wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »mesmerizedish wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »Care to elaborate? How is "broken" or stronger than any of the existing weaves like:
LA+Force pulse
LA+Funnel
LA+Whip
LA+Concealed/Surprise Attack
LA+Cliffracer
etc.
It takes a CD to apply, like any other spammable skill.
It can be abused with sets that buff light attack dmg. Combined with the buff already coming to LA's in the patch notes. Combined with this new skill. You can get some pretty hefty dmg. Maybe 10k+ light attacks in pvp you wouldn't need to use any other skills
No it can't. It's not light attack dmg and does not scale with these sets.
It's a skill that is applied when you do light attack dmg.
It gets buffed by your stats and sets as does any other skill. Even if they aren't tied to the skill itself they buff your current stats and this skill buffs your light attack which is buffed by your stats or sets
Is your argument seriously “Imbue Weapons is overpowered because it is buffed by stat bonuses from sets”?
No because I can kill someone with 2 light attacks and a curse. Maybe a frag too without even trying.
Not 2 light attacks. 2 light attacks with spammables equal to foce pulse. Big difference.
Maybe you died because you're wearing all divines and no impen or cp crit resist.
I don't wear impen or have any crit resist. But I have 30k shields and that thing was blowing past my shields like no tomorrow.
This is why your deathlog shows 8k imbue. If you got hit by force pulse it actually could have been 9k.
L2p buddy, Imbue did not kill you. Your build did.
Sent you a little something sweetie. You l2p.
Avran_Sylt wrote: »Go do some testing. Find out if it is being reduced by Battle Spirit correctly, that it doesn't crit against Shields, etc.
Saying it is broken only via text will do nothing if you don't have anything to back it up.
A video showing you playing PvP on live helps nothing either, apart from a pathetic attempt to show you have a big e-peen.
Ragnaroek93 wrote: »It doesn't hit higher than force pulse, but it has more peak damage because a crit on it is more likely than a crit on all three hits from Force Pulse.
I don't know if it's overperforming, I would say that it is a bit, but on the other side the skill is nice and increases the build diversity. And Force Pulse is a pretty bad spammable overall in my opinion.
Avran_Sylt wrote: »@Jsmalls
Right, but at the same time the animation is a huge tell unless you're going to anim-cancel, even then the weapons glow intensely. The skill sets off the GCD so the time that you spent casting and buffing your next LA is time that the enemy is not taking damage.
@Micah_Bayer
If the skill is hitting for tooltip value against shields, then its a bug, as even against shields the damage should be halved via Battle Spirit.
Ragnaroek93 wrote: »It doesn't hit higher than force pulse, but it has more peak damage because a crit on it is more likely than a crit on all three hits from Force Pulse.
I don't know if it's overperforming, I would say that it is a bit, but on the other side the skill is nice and increases the build diversity. And Force Pulse is a pretty bad spammable overall in my opinion.
Avran_Sylt wrote: »@Micah_Bayer
Then report it, record a video on the PTS / get a screenshot showing that it deals full tool-tip damage against shields in Battle Spirit areas. Post it here. That will move things forward past this bickering.
If it truly is a bug, and you're absolutely certain of it, post it here https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/407091/pts-update-18-bug-reports-for-combat-balance-abilities#latest